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Any projections available on how much the new engines will improve the gas milage for 4x4 applications?
Thanks in advance
4X4 Quad Cab with the V10. Originally I loaded it by adding to the 28G Quick order package.
However the new 28H Quick order package seemed
to be a better deal (leather included, Power
passenger seat, heated seats, etc). In addition
both carprices.com and the Dealer worksheet faxed
to me indicated the SLT Plus decor group is part
of the 28H package. However, the dealer went ahead and ordered the truck and said there was a $2090 charge (MSRP) for this option (Code ATK).
Does anybody know whether or not this option
(ATK) is an additional charge or am I being mislead by the dealer? I turn to you RAM'xperts
for help.
tripled now.
If you went by the listings at carprices, they are WRONG. They listed the SLT package price at the SLT Plus group as well (notice they were identical). Also remember, the wording at the SLT Plus listing that said "2000 package price to come". If you go to carprices.com now, you will see they have removed the 2000 Dodge Ram "pricing".
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
tfcav
He has a 1998 3500 club cab 24V Cummins with a 5 spd.
He pulls a triple axle, double deck livestock trailer that can hold 80 head of market hogs. His gross combination weight is just over 40,000.
He makes a 150 mi round trip to the packing house and averages 12+ MPG.
"Looking at the vehicle, you can see it's not your father's Power Wagon ... Nor is it your father's diesel engine." - Bernard Robertson, Senior VP Truck Operations The Dodge Power Wagon Concept Truck heralds another Dodge Pickup revolution. Featuring a new 7.2 liter direct injection I-6 turbocharged diesel engine, that generates an earth moving 780 lb-ft of torque, and a luxury level interior trimmed in leather, today's Power Wagon demonstrates how far pickups have come since the last Power Wagons were sold in 1946.
The exterior of the Power Wagon reflects the recent trend toward 'edginess' in car design but recalls distinctly its Power Wagon heritage in its looks. The truck stands at a height of 77 inches, 3 inches taller than today's four wheel drive Ram. The Power Wagon is built off of the Ram chassis, but its cab is closer to the Dakota Club Cab in size to recall the classical dimensions of the first trucks.
Great attention to detail has been paid in the machine work on the truck. The high intensity gas discharge projector headlights and rear taillights look almost like jewelry.
The grill has the traditional Dodge crosshairs and sports a power winch strong enough to pull an eighteen-wheeler truck out of a ditch.
The silver painted body uses aluminum details on the door handles, hinges, and wheels.
Four doors are found on this truck but instead of finding additional seats in the back, expanded storage is offered instead. Check out the polished ash wood floor in back of the seats, the same as the wood lining the bed. The bed also adds a very cool locking mechanism for tying items down in the back.
The distressed leather seats and stainless steel shift levers are meant to evoke a "Sharper Image" type look and feel for the truck. A far cry from the deluxe cab of the old Power Wagon where buyers enjoyed the comforts of a dome light, arm rest, and sun visor. Steve Sowinski, interior design chief on the truck, was unable to borrow much from the original. Since trucks have become so popular in the last few years with consumers, a growing concern for auto manufacturers has been the increasing possibility of tougher CAFE and emissions laws. The Power Wagon engine team not only designed a great new diesel engine with its 7.2 liter powerplant, but actually worked with Syntroleum corporation to create a sulfur-free "designer" fuel that uses abundant and cheap natural gas. The fuel injection system uses high pressure to improve combustion efficiency, which reduces emissions and enhances performance.
Power Wagon Statistics:
Basic Dimensions Body/Chassis Overall Length207"ArchitectureBody-on-frameOverall Width79.9" Extended CabOverall Height77" Quad DoorsWheelbase138.7"Material UsageSteel BodyCurb Weight5357 lbs Steel FrameTire, FrontLT295/70R 19 29x9.5 wheel Aluminum WheelsTire, RearSameSuspension, FrontLink CoilPropulsion System Suspension, Rear Link CoilLayoutN-S front engine severe-duty transfer case front and rear axles, 4WDFinishesStarbrite Silver body,
Color Leather,
Polished AluminumEngineDiesel
7.2L I-6, 250HP Turbocharged, Direct injectedWheelsPolished Aluminu
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Awesome Dave-40
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If you ghave a manual trans then there is no option for this.
Rich
> stop by your dealer and inquire about two TSBs
> Techical Service Bulletins): 18-11-99 and
> 18-02-99. The first will reprogram the Cummins
> computer for proper settings; the second will
> reprogram the Mopar transmission computer
> setings. Many who have had these TSBs performed
> have reported improved power and economy.
I'm out of town on business right now, so don't have my Dodge folder with me - it's 1" thick. The Engine Control Computer (ECU) has been reflashed 5 or 6 times, the truck has been dyno tested at the local Cummins shop 4 times, and finally after 15 months of complaining I think Chrysler is about ready to buy it back. Here's a brief history of events from memory:
about 2 mos old, 4000 miles I complained to dealer about low power and bad mileage (compared to 97 B5.9 truck). Dyno tested 182hp, nothing done. Avg mileage ~ 14.8 town & city unloaded.
about 12000 miles, lots of complaints later - finally in touch with Chrysler district technical person. On his advice, ECU reflashed with recalls for idle & NOX. Power and mileage MUCH worse. Next 10000 miles avg mileage now low 13's mixed, town driving in the 11's.
about 24000 miles, more calls & complaints. Chrysler tech person drove truck, 0-60's in low to mid 17 sec range. Determined truck had V10 torque converter. Scheduled shop time to change torque converter and reflash ECU with "FIX" for problem caused by earlier NOX upgrade. Plan included dyno tests before and after this work. Dyno tested at 172hp before work, and 159 after the work. Yeah. Doing this lowered the stall speed maybe 250 RPM, from ~2400 to ~2150. For next 6000 miles after this overall mixed mileage about 13.8mpg. Town driving runs 12.1mpg to 12.5mpg.
Last week, Chrysler tech person had all previous work rechecked, reflashed ECU and re-dyno tested it. This time dyno was around 150hp, I didn't get the sheet on this one.
More developments will be reported in the 11 O'clock news ...
Charlie Smith
Bought the truck from Byers on Sawmill road. Both of them. Salesman Mike Palermo knows a lot about diesels, has one himself. BUT, and this is A BIG BUT ... Byers shop people are either really incompetent or think they can give you any story and you'll go away. I'll email details if you ask. I'd definitely buy another truck from Mike Palermo!
Then I took this truck to Caldwell on Morse Road. They at least give you a straight story! Almost all of the diagnosis on this truck has been done by Caldwell ... and the Cummins shop on Lyman Drive. Caldwell has a couple dozen or more service lifts, and usually has a backlog of work.
I haven't found any sales type at Caldwell that knows the diesel Rams. For example, none of them know anything about the 6 speed, and apparently won't take the effort to research it.
Charlie
Thanks for the info. I'm about ready to take mine into the shop and I only have 780 miles on it!!! Just bought it last week (1999 2500 QC 4x4 Cummins Auto 3.54 diff). Runs great and no problems at all until I turn off the O/D. I'll be towing a trailer and I was told to turn it off when towing. Well, with the O/D off I can barely reach highway speeds of 65mph! Seems like it needs to shift one more time or the torque converter needs to lock. At 55mph I'm turning 2200rpm, 60mph / 2500rpm's, and the engine red lines at 3200rpm's. If I would ever try for 70mph I'll be in the red. Seems like something isn't right!
Caldwell Dodge is my closes dealer, but maybe I'll take my chances at another one since they still haven't fixed your problem. I'll definitely stay clear of Byers though.
I would appreciate any info you have.
email: Brett039@yahoo.com
Thanks
I am dealing with McCord Bros in Longview WA and they are selling me the vehicle at invoice plus $250. The fleet manager spent a lot of time with us. So much so, that he had my wife under the truck explaining the suspension to her. At least I didn't have to convince her to get the diesel. The guys she works with did a good job of that. She occasionally drives a 1999 Ford F350 Super Duty diesel at work and after she drove the Dodge, our mind was made up what to get.
Also, I looked at the Wheels web site and noticed that the ETH is waitlisted until 1/5/00 as KCRAM indicated. But the ETC option is also on the list without a date. Does this mean that no diesels are being built? Thanks
cdubee,
Get the 4.10. For 2000, Ram 2500s and 3500s will have larger tires, This makes a 2000 Ram with 4.10s equal to a 1999 with 3.73s.Staying with the 3.54s will give you an equivalent of a 99 truck with 3.22 axles which are way too tall for a Cummins.
Madmack is right about the ETC hold - it is for the Cummins/snow plow combination. The heavier front axle and suspension isn't ready yet.
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
Just kidding!!!
http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b072399.htm
Don't forget - you're gettin' 5 tarz, not 4. The speedo calibration is fully electronic, and that's part of the price - no way to recalibrate without a dealer. Also check that you may be going from an all-season tread to an all-terrain tread.
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
My truck is a 3500 club cab, Cummins 5 Speed,with the 3.54 axle ratio.
If you are buying the automatic tansmission I think the 4.10 gear would be what you would want. With the 6 speed manual, the 3.54 would work very well. The only trouble I've had with the taller gear is U-joints, and that was in my 1992 truck set up the same way. The 1998 and newer trucks have heavier duty U-joints.
Guru
Any help would be appreciated.
Honestly don't know how long it takes, but it requires a reflash of the appropriate module to correspond to the new tire size.
Barbara,
changing the tire size does not affect the ABS as long as all 4 tires remain the same size. The problems occur when only two tires are changed, or if you have to use a spare smaller than the regular tires. That causes speed and rotational differences, and confuses the ABS computer.
Keith,
As of right now, the ETH will only be available with the 6 speed stick, as only that transmission can handle the extra torque. The ETC will remain or there will be a detuned ETH for the automatic transmissions. No word on whether the five speed will be used after January with the Cummins trucks.
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
I do have one additional question. I drove a new 99 Quad 1500 4x4 with the 5.2l engine today. The truck felt extremely solid (much better road feel than the Silverado) and the transmission was considerably smoother than my 97. The truck also seemed considerably SLOWER than my 97 1500 X-cab 4x4 with the same engine. Does the new truck need to "loosen up" some? Is this realistic? About the only modification I have made to my 97 is installation of a K&N air filter. Also, what kind of gas mileage are folks out there getting with the 5.9l v8? If there is not much difference in the mileage numbers, I may consider the 5.9l engine. My 97 5.2 currently gets an average of 12.5 - 13 mpg now. Can't see the 5.9l engine being much worse. Thanks for any information.
The 5-inch rumor has some basis - Dodge did make 150 of them this past spring. They were strictly test trucks for DaimlerChrysler, and their intention was not to be sold, but to examine the cab size for the new body style due out as 2002 model.
davids,
Yes, the 5.2 will loosen up a bit after break-in, and the K&N does improve performance. I know a lot of people with the K&N kit and most of them say both the 5.2 and 5.9 "breathe" much more freely than with the factory intake.
As for changes, as you have seen and heard, Dodge is only going to make detail changes to the Ram, since it only has 2 model years left (2000 and 2001). Outside of the revised Cummins in January, expect no major mechanical changes. The bew OHC PowerTech gasoline engines will NOT be used in the current Ram body, even though the 4.7L V8 will see use this year in the Dakota and Durango.
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
You are required to get a 4.10 - the 3.54 isn't rated high enough with the automatic. It will cost you 1 or 2 mpg, but you will not be holding up traffic at launh with the 4.10.
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
I tried to order the off road with the sport package with the solar yellow. at first there was no problem. i got a call a couple of days ago and they cant do the off road with the yellow, every other color is good. you can get the sport and the off road together. my dealer said he would have a price by the end of this week. we figured it to be no more than 1000. i really wanted the 17" tires, but i figured that i wasnt going to do much off-road driving so i stuck with the yellow. i want to be different, and noticed. oh ya the off road production is on hold.
Eric G.
Thanks,
You might want to view the discussions we had concerning the Cummins Auto in O/D (overdrive). I just bought the exact truck you're looking to purchase. After reading these posting, you might want to consider the manual trans if you're hauling 10K# trailer. I really like my truck, but wish I would have known some of the limitations of the Auto before my purchase! I might have bought the 6 speed manual instead. Good luck...
Brett
Thanks for the info.
I'm probably going to
get a new 2000 Ram 1500
QC 4x4 with 318 auto
trans on Tuesday. I now
have a 97 chevy 4x4 350
vortex. How will the Ram
compare--mpg, power and
so forth. I drive in the
sand a lot in 4 wheel
drive--is the optional
cooler worth the
money? Only reason for
leaving Chevy is no 4th
door.
thanks
Thanks.