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Good luck on the new Santa Fe, it is getting acclaims and I believe coming off the same assembly line here in Ameria with the Sonata.
Dealer is not returning my call for the lastest flash and my request to buy the new tc and front pump (the kit). I told him I didn't want him to use any of his cards for more free parts (shocks with the new ball joint install) from dcx - we didn't buy there and he has his own customers problems.
I keep reading about the tc that dcx was advised not to use but did anyway. I guess the new flash is to reduce strain on the tc lockup to put off the tc failure who's parts go through the system. And if not completely reversed could cause a second failure like the used crd from houston in new mexico. Calling tranny shops and parts suppliers today and get educated and maybe spend some more cash.
Did you get the new TC and front pump? Can you give us the part numbers from the repair invoice?
The dealer found a tranny wiring harness that burnt thru from touching the exhaust. No problems after new harness installed.
3/05 build date 15,000 to date; Rotela 15-40 SYN at 3500 and 12,000. MpG 20 - 22
also had glow plug problem two months and 1500 miles after tranny harness problem
Farout
I bought diesel the other night at Boonevill Missouri, Flying J for $2.839, and where we live it's $2.999. Perhaps living at Lake of the Ozarks has something to do with the price? Hang in Dave your CRD will make it. I really can not afford to get rid of it, I am buried too deep to make a change anytime soon. Besides I am beginning to think this just might hold up better than I thought.
Farout
Has anyone tried a straight pipe?
How loud was it? Could you hear a difference inside the truck? MPG?
Remember me repeating the response when trying to trade it in-try california. We didn't buy at $7k/8K off sticker. You know where our payments went too. Whiners did not destroy the resale of the crd - dcx did.
Maybe as things get worse someone will beg us for our diesel and we can laugh all the way to the general or santa fe. Did we both buy thinking - how nice of a vehicle to get really old with - diesel, truck tranny, and throw in 4x4. The better half enjoyed the test drive and even though I still wanted that cummins, I let her have her crd but the malibu is her daily driver. And the crd has cured me of wanting that cummins in a dodge.
PUMP 5073004AD
SHAFT 5114582AA
COOLER 5183561AA
BEARING 4799469
According to the tech, the TC failed and put garbage throughout the system.
Wow, I get to post a problem and what an experience. This is going to be a long post so please be patient.
Around the last week of June I noticed a leak from the front seal where the drive shaft connect to the back axle. I dropped off the vehicle at the dealership to be fixed. Next day picked up the vehicle in the afternoon and problem was fixed. Drove down the rode and the check engine light came on. Vehicle has 15000 miles on it. Turned vehicle around and went back to dealership and dropped the vehicle off to be fixed again. Picked up the vehicle the next day and the dealership reflashed the transmission. Everything was fine for the weekend. On the following Tuesday vehicle started shuttering like I was going over speed bumps, however no speed bumps were around. Next day drove the vehicle to work and shuttering got worse. Around lunch time drove the vehicle to a different dealership to get this problem worked on and the vehicle barely made the trip to the dealership. Car stalled in the service bay due to shuttering and the trans temp light was on. This is where the fun begins.
The vehicle has been in the shop for over 2 weeks now waiting on a front pump for the transmission. I have been calling the dealership everyday due to the fact that Chrysler has been telling this dealership that the part has already been shipped. In reality this transmission in the CRD came from the gasoline line and the front pump is designed more for the gasoline engine. Chrysler is redesigning the pump to handle the lower end torque. What I have pieced together from Chrysler customer service and the dealership service manager is that since this transmission came from the gasoline engine line, there is not enough fluid being passed through the CRD transmission because of are power band is on the lower RPM's instead of the higher RPM's. This is causing the shuddering and the torque converter lockup. My Jeep has been down for 2 weeks now due to this part. Jeep has just re-designed the pump and will be sending the new pump out starting next week. So there may be a fix after all.
Yes, that's the effect of tc failure and my reference to the dark side last week - let it go - and get a new tranny cooler, and therefore the new CAC.
I suspect that many more of us will be having this issue as time goes on. Your analysis seems to make good sense to me and in spite of the fact that this is the same trans they slap on the back of a hemi in a Dodge fullsize truck, none of them make 295 lb-ft of torque at 1800 rpm. No I can understand why these transmissions are being torn apart. Some one did not do their homework properly.
About a month ago at 5 mph I let off the diesel and as I went to step on it again, the transmission grabbed. My wife asked me why I hit the brakes, only I didn’t. I tried 20 times to get a repeat on an empty road but could not. I emailed the dealer and the diesel tech said to bring it in and they could test for the problem – the problem didn’t have to be replicated. They said the cure was a new torque converter and oil pump if the test was not okay.
Before I could take it in, the EGR valve failed so it went in for the EGR valve and the transmission. They said the torque converter and pump tested okay, changed the EGR valve, flashed the ECM and the TCM.
The transmission shifted differently after the flash. Instead of clunking and some hesitation it now shifts more solidly. Shifts are quicker overall and the shift between 4th and 5th is very quick compared to previous. The shift between 3rd and 4th is still slippery, maybe a little less slippery. Also, the shift point changed between 4th and 5th from 54-58 mph to 62 mph. This makes 4th gear more useful in a 55 mph zone in hilly terrain as there is less shifting up and down.
After reading Ggrimm01’s excellent and pivotal post it makes sense why the 5th gear shift point was raised – to increase the pump pressure. Farout, you are right not to trust the flashes. They can only delay the inevitable, Winter2.
Should I need to get the transmission re-built, I am going to ask the dealer to add a shift correction kit. This different from a shift kit in that it rectifies certain problems within a trans. I had one put in the A-518 jr. trans of my 1993 Dodge Dakota. Made a big difference in shift quality and resolved a big issue with the overdrive unit which never received enough fluid. I will probably purchase an upgraded torque converter and front pump from Direct Connection (Mopar performance parts).
We use the 4x4 every time we leave or return on our gravel steep road. By what I see all these SUV's have some problem of some sorts. The Ford Explorer has to pay damages a court said just this afternoon.
Well dave make sure the fuel you use has a green handle.
Farout
Farout
A larger pump = higher output = higher pressure, all other things being equal. The clutch needs higher pressure to hold the torque while feeding every thing else with higher output.
I'm sorry, Winter2, when you were talking about the clutches not holding the torque at low rpm (way back) I never bought into it because 300 lb ft at high rpm is the same twist as 300 lb ft at lower rpm, just different hp. It never occurred to me that some dumb [non-permissible content removed](es) would make the decision to use a pump that did not provide enough output/pressure to hold the torque at low rpm. What's worse they wrote software that makes the transmission try to run away from the torque every time we try to use it. Ghaaah!!!
Farout
Farout
If you have read most of the posts and still think you want one than buy one. I traded a 2005 Liberty Limited in on this 2005 Liberty Sport CRD. I took a BIG hit in trading this way. We are saving $.04 cents a mile at this point. My wife and I really don't know if this was a wise decision. This is especially true as DCX has stopped making the CRD in the Liberty. Like you we see a number of people who are having problems with the engine, and the dealers who seem to be reluctant to jump in and fix the problems, butwould rather keep the vehicle in the garage for weeks at a time.
At this point we are somewhat optomistic, and cautiously pestamistic. Unless you get the Max Care 100,000 mile $0 deductable, 5year Chrysler Service Contract with this CRD I would say DON'T BUY THE crd.
fAROUT
Good. I figured that if it failed we could pick our dealer and say while you're at it have a look at this.
Worked late so I could take off today to visit some other local dealers and honey-do's.
There is a back order for 43 pumps according to one dealer (but stated one is available in Waco, TX) and another dealer was clueless about the crd (two larger dealerships). A rough estimate for a preventive strike before failure estimated at $2000. We will let it blow up but we will make sure we don't leave home base with the crd.
Yes and yes, Ecrd. It's in a class by itself. I'm relieved now that we "know" the cause of the transmission problem(s) and the cure(s).
We are new to the forum- have owned an 05 CRD for exactly one year now and it has been in the shop six times for the check engine light. we have 26K miles on it and so far the valve has been replaced twice, the torque converter on the tran once (a three week job), and the computer updated twice. We are going to trade it in and just take our losses but the funny thing is... We love the Liberty and we want another 06 CRD. What do you experts, think we should do? give up or get another CRD?
David and Lynette
It's probably both, Arvman. The transmission flash that made mine shift more like a real transmission and didn't hurt the mileage is TSB 18-009-06 for the TCM. Also go TSB 18-018-05 for the ECM. Don't know if the two work together.
Have your roadside assistance numbers handy.
The dealer where I purchased my CRD tells me that only one person has come back three times for EGR/intake issues. They have sold about thirty CRDs over the past eighteen or twenty months and this is the only one to come back with EGR issues. All of the others have been back for routine maintenance.
I would try to get this one fixed, but find a good dealer with a really good tech or two. The other thing you could do is locate a good diesel shop, call DC and let them know that you are not satisfied with the service of your dealer and see if they will pay for repairs there. Other possibility is to have the controllers replaced as farout did with really good results.
However while running around to jeep dealerships, drove thru a lot with new 2007 silverado trucks. Saw one with v8, lt3 package, 3.23 locking rear dif. The price was just a little more than the sticker that was on our crd. I know gm is going to a six speed tranny as supply comes available.
We are not quite as old as farout but seats and comfort are really appreciated. Could you please test drive a new chevy-silverado or tahoe and give us your opinion.
Farout
My CRD has had no serious problems so far, with just the annoying shudder @55mph sometimes, but from everything I've learned I don't think I would buy a CRD again. The biggest problems I see are not the vehicle but (1) DCX service is highly uneven and on average not that great, and (2) not all Jeep dealers will service the diesel CRD at all, and the ones that will may or may not do it right. I think it's shameful that DCX built a Jeep Liberty that many Jeep dealers won't service or won't service correctly.
The service issue is especially ironic for me because a major reason I bought this instead of a Honda or Toyota is that there are many more Jeep dealers around than Honda/Toyota dealers, and when I owned Hondas I had the experience that one bad dealer leaves you totally out of options for service, since that may mean a 40+ mile drive around here. So far my selling Jeep dealer has been fine, but if I had a problem with them I'm not sure all the other area Jeep dealers would service a CRD.... big concern!
For me personally, my CRD is staying with me until the first of either (1) good hybrid SUVs that I like or (2) I start having multiple problems with it and decide it has to go.
For anyone deciding to always buy foreign after their CRD, keep reading on the multiple Toyota recalls and the criminal investigation of Toyota executives for not making recalls they maybe should have. As far as I can tell GM is one of the most reliable manufacturers at this time.
Go to the Toyota RAV forum, and the Hyundai Santa Fe forums. I did and they both have people there who have lots of problems, just as this forum does. May I suggest you go to a body shop and ask the body shop owner what they tink of a Santa Fe. Sweet it may be, but parts are just as hard to get as this CRD engine parts are.
We too have had our issues with the CRD, and expressed our displeasure at being a "test market" for DCX, and I don't care who thinks otherwise, we were in fact a group that paid DCX to be a pert of this "test market" for the CRD Liberty. I am very up set at this! Having said this we had to sit down and cool down, and calmly thought about why we bought the Liberty CRD anyway. The body is the same as any other Liberty, the fuel mileage is sure better than the gas Liberty. We wanted a vehicle that could tow a 19' self contained camping trailer, and a SUV that was solid and did not eat us up for insurance. The CRD Liberty does all this. We have never owned a diesel before and we expected to have to learn things about diesel engines. I believe ( and hope a lot too) this basic engine is well built. The bulk of problems have more to do with the ECU or PCM being programed to do mixed up things.
I am not trying to offend anyone, this is only my opinion. Using Bio Fuel above B-5 causes problems. Using oil above 10-40w and using non-synthetic oil is causing problems as well. V M Motori has e-mailed me and stated very strongly that these issues when not done by their instructions may well cause problems.
Also consider the resale value of Hyundai. The Toyota has a much better real value, better than the Jeep perhaps.
I am sure our needs a different than yours, as we have to have a tough vehicle to stand up to our roads and being in full time 4x4 a good amount of time. I wish you the best in your search. My wife calls vehicles "a necessary evil" and she is right.
Farout
A good tech. will make a whole world of difference because they will go to the source of the problem, they are not parts exchanger; some of this dealers have parts exchangers, I experience one. I am an a/c contractor and I see it every day.
I am in a large city...only 2 more dealers to choose from.
The problem is not the dealerships......it's Chrysler.