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  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    First, please post the name of the good dealership so that anybody in that area can get the good service manager.

    Good luck on the new Santa Fe, it is getting acclaims and I believe coming off the same assembly line here in Ameria with the Sonata.

    Dealer is not returning my call for the lastest flash and my request to buy the new tc and front pump (the kit). I told him I didn't want him to use any of his cards for more free parts (shocks with the new ball joint install) from dcx - we didn't buy there and he has his own customers problems.

    I keep reading about the tc that dcx was advised not to use but did anyway. I guess the new flash is to reduce strain on the tc lockup to put off the tc failure who's parts go through the system. And if not completely reversed could cause a second failure like the used crd from houston in new mexico. Calling tranny shops and parts suppliers today and get educated and maybe spend some more cash.
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    There is turbo lag and you shouldn't expect to perform like a gasser. However, have you opened up the exhaust and intake. There is a difference. Did you see eureka boy's pictures and the remark about how much improved after the exhaust upgrade. Airbox and cheap air filter fix for less than $20 also provides additional effect after the exhaust mod. Diesels have to breathe too.
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    "Transmission died 28800. Rebuilt (torque converter, pump,cooler) and am now 43000 with no problems."

    Did you get the new TC and front pump? Can you give us the part numbers from the repair invoice?
  • stbstb Member Posts: 31
    My tranny started down shifting at a steady speed of 45 to 55 by itself one gear 4th to 3rd. During that time it would not go into 5th at 11,000 miles.

    The dealer found a tranny wiring harness that burnt thru from touching the exhaust. No problems after new harness installed.

    3/05 build date 15,000 to date; Rotela 15-40 SYN at 3500 and 12,000. MpG 20 - 22

    also had glow plug problem two months and 1500 miles after tranny harness problem
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    beerw1: Welcome to the forum. My CRD was built on June 14 2005, and we have 17,200 miles on it. The lag you feel in "normal" as tired old dave and others have said. Now if you are in a real tight pinch and need instant power, hold your foot on the brake bring the rpms up to where the brake still holds and when it's time to go punch it and there will be no lag time. Expect to see some tire smoke, and rubber on the street. I would only use this when you absoutely need instant power.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    tired old dave: I personally do not trust these "re-flashes" or up dates. Getting the ones done is what caused all my problems. Once the re-flashes are put in they can not be removed and made like it was before. My PCM had 4 re-flashes and every time my mpg dropped and the cruse control got worse. Out of desperation my dealers tec ordered a new PCM and did nothing to it and behold...everything works like it should for 4,000 miles now. At 17,200 miles the CRD purrs like a kitten sucking mothers milk.
    I bought diesel the other night at Boonevill Missouri, Flying J for $2.839, and where we live it's $2.999. Perhaps living at Lake of the Ozarks has something to do with the price? Hang in Dave your CRD will make it. I really can not afford to get rid of it, I am buried too deep to make a change anytime soon. Besides I am beginning to think this just might hold up better than I thought.

    Farout
  • justmecwjustmecw Member Posts: 20
    I am thinking of changing my factory muffler to a high flow 2.5" muffler (Aero Turbine) or just a straight pipe.

    Has anyone tried a straight pipe?
    How loud was it? Could you hear a difference inside the truck? MPG?
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    I tried to get the reflash to try to save everything until later next month. We don't want to get stranded late at night in empty spaces out here. I guess we should use our trusty push rod and drive the jeep locally so I know where it can be towed. The torque converter is burping.

    Remember me repeating the response when trying to trade it in-try california. We didn't buy at $7k/8K off sticker. You know where our payments went too. Whiners did not destroy the resale of the crd - dcx did.

    Maybe as things get worse someone will beg us for our diesel and we can laugh all the way to the general or santa fe. Did we both buy thinking - how nice of a vehicle to get really old with - diesel, truck tranny, and throw in 4x4. The better half enjoyed the test drive and even though I still wanted that cummins, I let her have her crd but the malibu is her daily driver. And the crd has cured me of wanting that cummins in a dodge.
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    TC 4736582AD
    PUMP 5073004AD
    SHAFT 5114582AA
    COOLER 5183561AA
    BEARING 4799469

    According to the tech, the TC failed and put garbage throughout the system.
  • ggrimm01ggrimm01 Member Posts: 1
    2005 Jeep Liberty Limited with 2.8L CRD and Automatic Transmission.
    Wow, I get to post a problem and what an experience. This is going to be a long post so please be patient.

    Around the last week of June I noticed a leak from the front seal where the drive shaft connect to the back axle. I dropped off the vehicle at the dealership to be fixed. Next day picked up the vehicle in the afternoon and problem was fixed. Drove down the rode and the check engine light came on. Vehicle has 15000 miles on it. Turned vehicle around and went back to dealership and dropped the vehicle off to be fixed again. Picked up the vehicle the next day and the dealership reflashed the transmission. Everything was fine for the weekend. On the following Tuesday vehicle started shuttering like I was going over speed bumps, however no speed bumps were around. Next day drove the vehicle to work and shuttering got worse. Around lunch time drove the vehicle to a different dealership to get this problem worked on and the vehicle barely made the trip to the dealership. Car stalled in the service bay due to shuttering and the trans temp light was on. This is where the fun begins.

    The vehicle has been in the shop for over 2 weeks now waiting on a front pump for the transmission. I have been calling the dealership everyday due to the fact that Chrysler has been telling this dealership that the part has already been shipped. In reality this transmission in the CRD came from the gasoline line and the front pump is designed more for the gasoline engine. Chrysler is redesigning the pump to handle the lower end torque. What I have pieced together from Chrysler customer service and the dealership service manager is that since this transmission came from the gasoline engine line, there is not enough fluid being passed through the CRD transmission because of are power band is on the lower RPM's instead of the higher RPM's. This is causing the shuddering and the torque converter lockup. My Jeep has been down for 2 weeks now due to this part. Jeep has just re-designed the pump and will be sending the new pump out starting next week. So there may be a fix after all.
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    Thank you. The part number I got from the parts manager today for the torque converter mentioned in the tsb was 68000336AA and was quoted retail of $263 last week.

    Yes, that's the effect of tc failure and my reference to the dark side last week - let it go - and get a new tranny cooler, and therefore the new CAC.
  • arvmanarvman Member Posts: 95
    Does anyone know if there is a recall or somethiing on this tranny issue/Haven't had a problem yet but getting nervous after reading some of these posts.So far so good though.My service guy is pretty good and I;ve got the rental package with the warranty(came in handy when the e.g.r. went).build date 6/05 and 14000 km's.Seems some people are gettin this repaired no problem and some are having nightmares.
  • ryoungetryounget Member Posts: 9
    I was going to go the aeroturbine and decided to try the straight pipe. There is only a slight difference inside the vehicle under acceleration. At 58 mph I can't tell the difference. Mileage towing and highway w/o tow went up about 2mpg. I now get 30-31 @ 60 mph highway and it feels a little more powerful towing my boat.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Very good post.

    I suspect that many more of us will be having this issue as time goes on. Your analysis seems to make good sense to me and in spite of the fact that this is the same trans they slap on the back of a hemi in a Dodge fullsize truck, none of them make 295 lb-ft of torque at 1800 rpm. No I can understand why these transmissions are being torn apart. Some one did not do their homework properly.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Very good post, indeed, Ggrimm01.

    About a month ago at 5 mph I let off the diesel and as I went to step on it again, the transmission grabbed. My wife asked me why I hit the brakes, only I didn’t. I tried 20 times to get a repeat on an empty road but could not. I emailed the dealer and the diesel tech said to bring it in and they could test for the problem – the problem didn’t have to be replicated. They said the cure was a new torque converter and oil pump if the test was not okay.

    Before I could take it in, the EGR valve failed so it went in for the EGR valve and the transmission. They said the torque converter and pump tested okay, changed the EGR valve, flashed the ECM and the TCM.

    The transmission shifted differently after the flash. Instead of clunking and some hesitation it now shifts more solidly. Shifts are quicker overall and the shift between 4th and 5th is very quick compared to previous. The shift between 3rd and 4th is still slippery, maybe a little less slippery. Also, the shift point changed between 4th and 5th from 54-58 mph to 62 mph. This makes 4th gear more useful in a 55 mph zone in hilly terrain as there is less shifting up and down.

    After reading Ggrimm01’s excellent and pivotal post it makes sense why the 5th gear shift point was raised – to increase the pump pressure. Farout, you are right not to trust the flashes. They can only delay the inevitable, Winter2.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Pump pressure is important but so is pump output. The output of the front pump needs to be higher to handle the greater amount of torque at lower rpms that comes from our little diesel engine.

    Should I need to get the transmission re-built, I am going to ask the dealer to add a shift correction kit. This different from a shift kit in that it rectifies certain problems within a trans. I had one put in the A-518 jr. trans of my 1993 Dodge Dakota. Made a big difference in shift quality and resolved a big issue with the overdrive unit which never received enough fluid. I will probably purchase an upgraded torque converter and front pump from Direct Connection (Mopar performance parts).
  • olegrizzolegrizz Member Posts: 7
    Thanks folks for the reply. I did not see the info on my window sticker, but the dealer keeps saying that it is already there. I called the 1-800-992-1997 and they knew everything about my vehicle and what was on it. They say it is not there. I skipped going through the salesman and sales manager this time (that is who they keep saying to go through) and talked to the service department. They are looking the info up on it and are supposed to get back to me. I bought this vehicle new from them and the tow "package" was part of the deal. I am thinking they are trying to skip out of the more expensive part of putting on the package.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    tired old dave: Yes we hoped to have this vehicle last at least 7 or 8 years. If my dealer tec is right about the outrageous cost of parts and labor on top of this. We pray that this CRD really does do good and we can keep it for a good length of time after we pay this CRD off, that would be the very best of our dreams come true.
    We use the 4x4 every time we leave or return on our gravel steep road. By what I see all these SUV's have some problem of some sorts. The Ford Explorer has to pay damages a court said just this afternoon.
    Well dave make sure the fuel you use has a green handle.

    Farout
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    Update on the tranny issue: The dealer called a little while ago to their credit and this is what they said: They found a TSB on the transmission that said the cooler is not big enough to cool the fluid in the transmission. As a result it is damging the pump which is causing the Torque Converter to fail. They have orderd all three parts and will be installing them once the arrive. Estimated arrival of parts is 1 week (next Friday). They told me to stay in the rental until then and we will talk when the parts arrive. This Servce Manager is very good and customer focused - the only one I have met since I bought this Jeep. The dealership is Battlefield Jeep in Charlottesville, VA. They also said they had a woman with the same issue in her CRD and they fixed it 3 weeks ago - so far so good. SOUNDS like they may have a handle on this issue but time will tell. I suspect others of you will be going through this at some point - so have a second car to drive or buy the extended warranty! At the moment I am satisfied. :)
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    I do not understand the new CAC. The new trans cooler has the A/C condenser. How do you get a new CAC if the trans croaks?
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    That is what the tech told me and is why they put in a new trans cooler. If there is a different TC out there, what is the difference between them? Mine has been working just fine since the repair.
  • ecrdecrd Member Posts: 5
    Is there anyone out there that loves their CRD? Are you happy you have it? I see lots of negativity in here, so it's a bit hard to judge if someone should purchase a 2006 CRD.
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    Now that the bugs are out of it I like it quite well.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    ggrimm01: I personally think who ever told you that "this transmission in the CRD came from the gasoline line" Somebody must think you just got off the turnip truck. This is impossible for this to happen! The 545 RFE and the 462 RFE are not the same. What other vehicle made at the toledo Ohio plant uses the 545 RFE transmission? Until the Nitro gets going or maybe it is being made now, but at the time your's was made this would have been impossible to have happened. I even checked with my reliable dealer (my dealer deserves to be a 5 Star dealer) and he confirmed that this could not happen. So go to your service manager and say either fix it within so many days or send it to dealer who knows what they are doing. These are 100% jerks! Wow dude you have been dumped on big time! Hope you get it done real soon.

    Farout
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Semantics, Winter2.

    A larger pump = higher output = higher pressure, all other things being equal. The clutch needs higher pressure to hold the torque while feeding every thing else with higher output.

    I'm sorry, Winter2, when you were talking about the clutches not holding the torque at low rpm (way back) I never bought into it because 300 lb ft at high rpm is the same twist as 300 lb ft at lower rpm, just different hp. It never occurred to me that some dumb [non-permissible content removed](es) would make the decision to use a pump that did not provide enough output/pressure to hold the torque at low rpm. What's worse they wrote software that makes the transmission try to run away from the torque every time we try to use it. Ghaaah!!!
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    winter2: Look at the ID on the transmission, it's directly even with the front of the drivers door on the transmission. It should read 462 RFE. That is not the same as the Hemi on the full sized truck. So says my dealer and I believe Caribou1 pointed this out as well. The issue is more of a PCM initial problem, which causes transmission failure, as I understand it. There is a a recall or TSB to drain and check both filters and replace the big one and the other if needed. Mine was done when I has 300 miles on it. I am of the opinion that some dealers have not kept up to date on these CRD's very well. Hope this offers some help.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    arvman: Mine was a 06/14/05 build, and yes there was/is a TSB or maybe a recall I am not sure which. Call your dealer, if you are happy with them , or a dealer you want to go to and ask them. That's one sure way to find out if the dealer is worth a hoot.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    crd: DCX made about 11,000 CRD's for 05 & 06. THe new ones are gting harder to find. Yark Jeep had one last Monday and that's all for new stock, so if it's what you really want better start looking real soon.
    If you have read most of the posts and still think you want one than buy one. I traded a 2005 Liberty Limited in on this 2005 Liberty Sport CRD. I took a BIG hit in trading this way. We are saving $.04 cents a mile at this point. My wife and I really don't know if this was a wise decision. This is especially true as DCX has stopped making the CRD in the Liberty. Like you we see a number of people who are having problems with the engine, and the dealers who seem to be reluctant to jump in and fix the problems, butwould rather keep the vehicle in the garage for weeks at a time.
    At this point we are somewhat optomistic, and cautiously pestamistic. Unless you get the Max Care 100,000 mile $0 deductable, 5year Chrysler Service Contract with this CRD I would say DON'T BUY THE crd.

    fAROUT
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    "I do not understand the new CAC. The new trans cooler has the A/C condenser. How do you get a new CAC if the trans croaks?" quoting mdamick

    Good. I figured that if it failed we could pick our dealer and say while you're at it have a look at this.

    Worked late so I could take off today to visit some other local dealers and honey-do's.

    There is a back order for 43 pumps according to one dealer (but stated one is available in Waco, TX) and another dealer was clueless about the crd (two larger dealerships). A rough estimate for a preventive strike before failure estimated at $2000. We will let it blow up but we will make sure we don't leave home base with the crd.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Is there anyone out there that loves their CRD? Are you happy you have it?

    Yes and yes, Ecrd. It's in a class by itself. I'm relieved now that we "know" the cause of the transmission problem(s) and the cure(s).
  • rkernbobrkernbob Member Posts: 11
    If you're running B2 then you wouldn't notice a difference b/c of that... 2% Biodiesel would be about impossible to distinguish from 0%. If your filling station does not state that it is ULSD I am willing to bet that it is not. That stuff is expensive compared to LSD. I have only been to one filling station (in Kentucky) that had ULSD and it was very well marked, the dealer even had a pamphlet about it. There is a difference between Low sulfur diesel and ULSD ( ~300ppm to 15ppm). Either the difference is in your head or you had some bad fuel when it was running rough. I always fill up at truck stops to make sure I get fresh fuel.
  • dllindseydllindsey Member Posts: 3
    hello, everyone
    We are new to the forum- have owned an 05 CRD for exactly one year now and it has been in the shop six times for the check engine light. we have 26K miles on it and so far the valve has been replaced twice, the torque converter on the tran once (a three week job), and the computer updated twice. We are going to trade it in and just take our losses but the funny thing is... We love the Liberty and we want another 06 CRD. What do you experts, think we should do? give up or get another CRD?
    David and Lynette
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Dllindsey...Your problem is not the liberty but your dealer, they don't have a good tech. keep it and get yourself a better dealer. The 06 do not have the 7/100000 mile powertrain warranty, keep the 05. after the ulsd is in for good all the problem will go for good.... good l.
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    Dllindsey - I couldn't disagree with nescomo more. I don't think it is your dealer. The problems you are having are the same problems many of us are having - and they are NOT going away. To even kid yourself and think better fuel is going to make a poorly tested car run better is a joke. I run ULSD in mine and have still had all the problems. Sell the car and buy a reliable foreign car - that is exactly what I am doing next week. I would rather take the $8000 depreciation hit in 9 months than endure any more of DCX's mess. I have spent over 20 hours this week researching and test driving fuel efficient suv's. You can get ALOT more for your money than this thing. Go to Consumer Reports and check out the new RAV by Toyota. It actually gets better MPG than the CRD, will last longer with LESS TROUBLE , is the same price, and can tow. Also look at the 07 Hyundai Santa FE - One sweet vehicle. Tows 2500 - 3000 lbs, same MPG, and triple the warranty. Don't let anyone on this board talk you into buying another one or even keeping yours. Many on here are too proud to admit they have been dupped! I sure was and I'm paying for it. I would feel terrible telling you to keep yours or buy another one. I have owned over 20 different vehicles and all of them combined have not given me the problems this Jeep CRD has. A wise man learns from his actions and doesn't repeat poor choices. Good luck with your decision.
  • smokinclattersmokinclatter Member Posts: 40
    AMEN!!
  • bigjohn10bigjohn10 Member Posts: 4
    I have read that there will be no 2007 Lib CRD but I saw the DR X commercial the other day where he says the world's cleanest diesel is coming. So I "Asked Dr Z" at ASKDRZ.COM and they said that first quarter 2007 there will be a Grand Cherokee CRD. Hmmm, can it be any better than this lemon? I really want a diesel just for that cool sound and power not necessarily the MPG, but after reading this forum I think I may really stick with a hybrid. At least they have a tax credit.
  • arvmanarvman Member Posts: 95
    Thanks farout,I'm gonna run the jeep through the rockies this weekend so that should put a good bit of strain on the tranny.I won't be shy with it either,better to break it now i figure.I will check eith the service guy this week andif they say no tsb,then I'll drive the guts out of it,wife says it stalled on her yesterday,so i think this might be the beginning.I'm still determined to fix this rig and hang on to it.Don't know if it's stupidity or sheer determination.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Don't know if it's stupidity or sheer determination.

    It's probably both, Arvman. The transmission flash that made mine shift more like a real transmission and didn't hurt the mileage is TSB 18-009-06 for the TCM. Also go TSB 18-018-05 for the ECM. Don't know if the two work together.

    Have your roadside assistance numbers handy. ;)
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Frankly, I would try another dealer. Nescosmo has a valid point. I just broke 11K on my 2005 CRD and except for a computer flash and replacement of the hose from the turbo to the aftercooler, it has been flawless. I also use a good detergent and cetane improver with each tank and that seems to help but my CRD may be too young.

    The dealer where I purchased my CRD tells me that only one person has come back three times for EGR/intake issues. They have sold about thirty CRDs over the past eighteen or twenty months and this is the only one to come back with EGR issues. All of the others have been back for routine maintenance.

    I would try to get this one fixed, but find a good dealer with a really good tech or two. The other thing you could do is locate a good diesel shop, call DC and let them know that you are not satisfied with the service of your dealer and see if they will pay for repairs there. Other possibility is to have the controllers replaced as farout did with really good results.
  • arvmanarvman Member Posts: 95
    Thank's siberia,the sevice guy's will be wonderin where i got the numbers,hee hee...
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    Can you do me another favor since you have been test driving cars? We sat in a new rav-I did at a dealership and the better half rode in a coworkers. Finally a toy with a seat from first impression.

    However while running around to jeep dealerships, drove thru a lot with new 2007 silverado trucks. Saw one with v8, lt3 package, 3.23 locking rear dif. The price was just a little more than the sticker that was on our crd. I know gm is going to a six speed tranny as supply comes available.

    We are not quite as old as farout but seats and comfort are really appreciated. Could you please test drive a new chevy-silverado or tahoe and give us your opinion.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    dllindsey: Stay with what you have and work to resolve the problems you have, the 06 might be the same as you have. The trade in loss will choke a horse. Take my word for it, We traded our 05 Limited Liberty in on our 05 Sport CRD. Eventually it may equal out, but only if it lasts for 120,000 miles.

    Farout
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    I don't know where in the Rockies you're going but if it's near I-70 be aware that the Jeep dealer in Silverthorne (near Breckenridge and Frisco) told me 3 weeks ago (when I was there on my honeymoon and had a problem with the CRD) that he doesn't have diesel tech and couldn't help me at all, and suggested some dealer north of Denver. Good thing my problem cleared up (most likely fuel gelling at the cold nighttime temps) because it would have been a miserable 70+ mile tow.
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    My two cents - while you may get lucky on a second CRD purchase, if you are unlucky you will absolutely be hating life and kicking yourself. If you're getting rid of the current CRD replace it with another brand so any problems you have will at least be new.

    My CRD has had no serious problems so far, with just the annoying shudder @55mph sometimes, but from everything I've learned I don't think I would buy a CRD again. The biggest problems I see are not the vehicle but (1) DCX service is highly uneven and on average not that great, and (2) not all Jeep dealers will service the diesel CRD at all, and the ones that will may or may not do it right. I think it's shameful that DCX built a Jeep Liberty that many Jeep dealers won't service or won't service correctly.

    The service issue is especially ironic for me because a major reason I bought this instead of a Honda or Toyota is that there are many more Jeep dealers around than Honda/Toyota dealers, and when I owned Hondas I had the experience that one bad dealer leaves you totally out of options for service, since that may mean a 40+ mile drive around here. So far my selling Jeep dealer has been fine, but if I had a problem with them I'm not sure all the other area Jeep dealers would service a CRD.... big concern!

    For me personally, my CRD is staying with me until the first of either (1) good hybrid SUVs that I like or (2) I start having multiple problems with it and decide it has to go.

    For anyone deciding to always buy foreign after their CRD, keep reading on the multiple Toyota recalls and the criminal investigation of Toyota executives for not making recalls they maybe should have. As far as I can tell GM is one of the most reliable manufacturers at this time.
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    I'm fairly happy, but I'm a nervous CRD owner thanks to the EGR and transmission problems that others have had. My 2005 has the 7/70 powertrain warranty and I wouldn't think about buying a 2006 with the measly 3/36 warranty. As long as it continues to run fine, it gets excellent mileage for its size and capabilities, is fairly quiet and smooth riding for an SUV (at least in this price range), and has far more 4x4 capability than I'll ever use. It's also a very handy size for commuting and city driving, though I would prefer something a foot longer and 4" wider if I had the option.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    new2diesel: I agree with you that this low sulfer diesel is unlikely to change anything that's noticeable. I think the flight or fight basic emotions are being displayed in your post. It's easy to put in a post you are willing to take an $8,000. loss to dump your CRD, but when it actually is put in front of you to sign, now that's a different story. We took a little more than $5,000. loss to trade our 05 Limited Liberty in on our 05 Sport Liberty CRD. I can't say for certian it was or was not a mistake yet. I do know our payments went up $67. a month.... ouch. So weigh your options and even pray about it. (if you are a praying person) $8,000. can sure buy a lot of things you may need more than just a different vehicle.
    Go to the Toyota RAV forum, and the Hyundai Santa Fe forums. I did and they both have people there who have lots of problems, just as this forum does. May I suggest you go to a body shop and ask the body shop owner what they tink of a Santa Fe. Sweet it may be, but parts are just as hard to get as this CRD engine parts are.
    We too have had our issues with the CRD, and expressed our displeasure at being a "test market" for DCX, and I don't care who thinks otherwise, we were in fact a group that paid DCX to be a pert of this "test market" for the CRD Liberty. I am very up set at this! Having said this we had to sit down and cool down, and calmly thought about why we bought the Liberty CRD anyway. The body is the same as any other Liberty, the fuel mileage is sure better than the gas Liberty. We wanted a vehicle that could tow a 19' self contained camping trailer, and a SUV that was solid and did not eat us up for insurance. The CRD Liberty does all this. We have never owned a diesel before and we expected to have to learn things about diesel engines. I believe ( and hope a lot too) this basic engine is well built. The bulk of problems have more to do with the ECU or PCM being programed to do mixed up things.
    I am not trying to offend anyone, this is only my opinion. Using Bio Fuel above B-5 causes problems. Using oil above 10-40w and using non-synthetic oil is causing problems as well. V M Motori has e-mailed me and stated very strongly that these issues when not done by their instructions may well cause problems.
    Also consider the resale value of Hyundai. The Toyota has a much better real value, better than the Jeep perhaps.
    I am sure our needs a different than yours, as we have to have a tough vehicle to stand up to our roads and being in full time 4x4 a good amount of time. I wish you the best in your search. My wife calls vehicles "a necessary evil" and she is right.

    Farout
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Dilindsey.... What a mistake you will do if you get another vehicle, be honest and tell us the truth about the other vehicle that you want to buy to see if it compare to the CRD.
    A good tech. will make a whole world of difference because they will go to the source of the problem, they are not parts exchanger; some of this dealers have parts exchangers, I experience one. I am an a/c contractor and I see it every day.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    bigjohn10: DCX made the announcement about there will be on CRD for 07 a good long time ago. And NO THERE WAS NO TAX CREDIT FOR THE LIBERTY CRD. There is nothing to compare a Liberty CRD to a hybrid. One is a real off road so just about anything to vehicle the other is a tinker toy that the US government is giving a small tax brake for playing tinker toys with. If tinker toys are your thing go for it
  • smokinclattersmokinclatter Member Posts: 40
    I am on my 2nd dealership now, and looking for my 3rd.
    I am in a large city...only 2 more dealers to choose from.
    The problem is not the dealerships......it's Chrysler.
  • smokinclattersmokinclatter Member Posts: 40
    Be sure and have a " chase car "
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