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There is no pennance for buying a new (er, used) car here on this board.
If you get 22MPG in everyday driving, I might have to convince the wife that her '08 VUE needs to be traded in - we've been getting 19-20MPG. She, too, loves the XC90 (5 seat model).
And, for the first time, the Honda Pilot doesn't sway a CCBA'er.
Did you trade the Odyssey in?
Now, you just have to figure out a replacement for the Accord when the lease is up, right?
fezo - I like that Celica - seems like he's done all the required maintenance. However, seems like a lot of money for 120K.
I think there's just something in general about this time of year that gives people the car-buying bug. I know I'm trying hard to resist it. The Spring Carlisle swap meet in PA is coming up in a couple weeks...I'm gonna try my hardest to behave!
We didn't trade it in. I figured since we have to make the remaining lease payments no matter what, then we might as well hold onto it a bit longer and get our final 3k miles of use out of it. The added insurance will only cost about $300 over the summer, so I think its worth it. Plus, it gives me time to take care of those little things I think they would charge me for at turn-in time (like tires).
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
You NJ boys get me confused all the time - stick, q, fezo (though I've met fezo in person).
Hey, Jersey is a confusing place, ya know? You are excused.
I haven't even met fezo, yet we live probably 20 minutes apart. But, then again, I'm 5 minutes from my brother and haven't seen him in a couple of months.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
"Devil's Advocate" wise, CR, FWIW, rates the XC90 lower in reliability than the XC70, or S60 (the S60 actually looks pretty darned reliable).
But I'm convinced by your test drive, & how much you like it. The miles are low. I vote to go for it; they're cool looking vehicles.......I've always liked Volvos......& I'm guessing I'd be very excited if buying a nice low-mileage XC90......
My dad, who grew up in NY, spent his summers in Moorsetown with his aunt and uncle (my godparents). I visited a few times for personal reasons as both a kid and an adult and a whole bunch of other times - all over the state - when I used to travel for business.
There's a good reason why NJ is the "Garden State" - I love both central and south Jersey.
Sounds like you got a good deal on the XC90. Did you elect to purchase the extended warranty?
I got SWMBO to say go ahead which is all it took.
Actually the price is cheaper than Edmunds pegs it at and at 120K I figure it still has a few years left in it. I'd be surprised if I couldn't get it too 200K.
I've got about 29 hours to wait and see. If I get it I may have to convince q that it's time to do a meet up.
and that is one reason why I am suspicious of CRs research/analysis methods.
The XC90 and XC70 are pretty much the same mechanically, assuming both are using the T5, just with different bodies and the S60 depending on the year and equipment level is also very similar. The only thing that would explain any of it is that most XC90s are AWD and so are most XC70s while most S60s are FWD. Does CR break out data for the T6 and V8 XC90s separate from the T5s?
Oh thats not so terrible, my folks were looking at the current XC90 (I guess with the little V8) and in a $4/gal gas area, they freaked. I think it was in the low teens. They are like the anti-CCBrs. After looking at every sport-cute under the sun and anything that can pass for a wagon, she decided they weren't any better than her 10 year old minivan (which I think is one of the more miserable transportation pods I have driven). It is practical though, and I have nothing against mini-vans at all, I just don't care for hers. I would dig on a Mazda5 (especially if they put the turbo in it...), oh and with a stick.
CMBA
I am reposting this from one of my other forums I hope the pictures work in this narrow frame.
OK first a little background...
flashback
My senior year of HS I bought a non-running 1978, or maybe 1979 I don't remember exactly now, CB750. I only paid a 100 dollars for it because the motor was locked up.
I managed to get it running OK but it never ran great. My plan had been to take it to college as it was much easier for a freshman to get a motorcycle parking permit then a car parking one. Well after screwing around with it for most of the summer I never got it running well enough that I wanted to risk bringing it to school so I left it at home.
The next summer I decided that motorcycles just weren't for me and ended up parting it out on eBay. I made back my initial 100 bucks plus all the other money I spent in parts plus a decent hourly rate for my time. I ended up using all the money to pay for my books sophomore year.
/flashback
Over the past few weeks I have been thinking that maybe I do like motorcycles but that bike just wasn't the right one for me.
http://www.triumph.co.uk/streettriple/streetTripleFlash.asp?lang=en-US
Triumph came out with the Street Triple 675 late last year. Its basically the Daytona 675 without all the crotch rocket fairings, called a naked from what I have learned over the past few days, that I don't like plus a few other changes. It has slightly less power then the Daytona and has a lower seat which is fine with me as I have short legs and I haven't ridden a Motorcycle in almost 10 years.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2008models/2008models-Triumph-StreetT- - riple675.htm
So someone talk me out of this as it is a bad idea ok...
Seriously I will hurt myself and I don't need a motorcycle in New England where I can't even ride it but about six months out of the year anyway..
I would be crazy and/or stupid to buy a bike.
Even if it is as hot and badass as this one is.
Seriously doesn't that thing look sinister in black?
I think what happens is they buy a 250cc or 500cc bike for their spouse/significant other and then they still don't like to ride. I am not a big dude by any stretch and I do just fine on a 500cc bike. The 250cc bikes are fine too if you are willing to wind the heck out of them (you have to look at it as part of their charm).
A friend of mine bought one new in '77, I think.. He didn't have a car, so when he had a date, we would switch vehicles.. I think I put a couple of thousand miles on that bike..
I never bought my own..
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Michael, I live about 15 minutes from Moorestown, and am up that way fairly often. Nice town. I am the S.J branch, Q more S. central, and Fez has the shore covered!
Fez, I like the Celica, but not sure about an AT on one of those. In a few years, college tuition willing, I will get another convertible toy, just something more practical than the Miata I had. Something like that Celica!
BR, odds are you put yourself in the hospital before AK buys her next car if you get one of those. Unless you have some serious self control!
Q, what's the colors on that XC90?
I drove a few, including going to the launch event at Phila park. Quite impressed taking it around the auto-X style course, and was amazed at how it handled the "moose avoidance" test (wooden moose, professional driver). Certainly proved that the DSC and anti-rollover protection worked!
My SIL has a '07 3.2, and that is also very nice to drive. I found the 2.5T to be plenty peppy though on my test drives.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Although I really want a Street triple I know I shouldn't buy one as my first bike in 10 years and my first new bike ever. I am keeping an eye out for used triumphs., thruxtons or bonnevilles maybe even a speed four, or a naked Suzuki possibly even a naked Honda. I do like the look and specs of the SV650 and the 919. The thing is a new street triple is under 8,000 and a lot of the decent used metric bikes of the same class are in the 5,000 dollar range. I just don't know if I can justify a two or three year old sporty bike, especially given how many of those used bikes get treated, when a brand new one is only a couple thousand more.
Ideally though I would like to find an older cafe racer style bike in the 500cc range for a couple of grand to ride while I get my feet under me again. The street triple has a waiting list currently so I can't even get one now anyway.
I believe that first picture is of the special edition 750 Super Sport.. It sits up higher than the stock 750, and has that nifty 4-into-1 exhaust pipe..
You are right I didn't even notice the 4 into 1 exhaust. Mine was just a standard 750 with the quad exhaust.
Yep, thought so.
I had a 900 Sprint, with "closed course" mufflers. The sound was addictive. That may have been the reason I never got more than 35mpg from that bike. Spent a lot of time at redline.
My bike is fitted with the Triumph seat cowl, "Racing/Off Road" 3-into-1 exhaust, and six pot front calipers. It's not all that fast compared to current Sportbikes, as 0-60 takes 3.3 seconds, the standing 1/4 mile goes by in 11.5, and it tops out at just under 135. Still, its proven to be a lot of fun to ride and it has proven inexpensive to maintain as well.
I say go for it!!!
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Nothing sounds like a Triple. Nothing.
I had a 900 Sprint, with "closed course" mufflers. The sound was addictive. That may have been the reason I never got more than 35mpg from that bike.
That's about all my S3 can manage as well.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
All IMHO good choices for a reentry bike. Also, the Triumuph Scrambler would be a nice bike.
Just like cars, bikes have improved in the last 10 years. And if I were going to consider new bikes, Kawasaki makes a couple of great bikes, the 650 Ninja, 500 Ninja, 650 Versys comes to mind, even the KLR650 can be a hoot. No connections at all, the one Japanese brand I've never owned is Kawasaki.
Bikes are just incredible at what they can do, even for a 10 year old motorcycle I am sure that is plenty fast.
I toyed with the idea of getting a motorcycle but with the traffic around me I decided a Miata(with airbags) would be a less scary choice. I don't know how you guys ride a bike with so many huge vehicles around. I am sure the maneuverability helps, but I would be thinking way too much about it to enjoy.
Maple Shade? :P
Sorry, couldn't resist the backhanded comment about the traffic.
I've never owned a motorcycle and probably never will, so I'm not qualified to comment on br's
follyadventure to find a new bike for commuting purposes.Final deal was $22k flat + $199 doc fee. I was going to do outside financing, but they came in at a couple of tenths higher (a bit less than $4/mo), and I just decided to go with that and save the hassle.
We found this one at Academy Honda in Old Bridge. I did not get an extended warranty. They wanted a ridiculous amount of money for it. And, oddly enough, it didn't occur to me until I was signing the papers, this is still under factory warranty. It was originally purchased in 12/04, so we're good (even have roadside assistance) till 12/08. I definitely plan on taking it to the dealer ASAP to have them go over it. But it drives so perfectly, I doubt there will be anything to worry about.
Hey, got a small bonus, too. The tires on this are the same size as the Pac. Chrysler will charge us for new tires if we return our lease when the tread is 3/32 or less. The tires on the volvo look almost brand new, but I've read up on them on tirerack and they rate very poorly (Michellin Symphone, IIRC). SO, I will swap these tires to the Pac and get good new tires for the volvo.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Gold works on some cars and that's one of them. The good side of that is that it's a very forgiving color - it will look pretty good even if it gets dirty. Silver does that, too.
I could see where burgundy would be your first choice. Great color for that.
Now despite the theatrics that wet with the deal I'll say that Honda dealers outside of Ocean County seem to be a heck of a lot easier to deal with than one in the county.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I know for a long time the one in Toms River had sales people that would drive you nuts but a great service department. The current folks there seem to fall more toward the middle of the pack on both counts.
For $22k, for a 2005 "premium" vehicle with low miles, what more could you want? Maybe I should add the XC90 to my "list" of potential vehicles........
LIKE PERFORMANCE BUT TOO OLD TO CROUCH? CHECK OUT THIS ONE. THE GUT WONT GET IN THE WAY!!!
Seriously that is supposed to make someone want to buy the bike.
Besides, being rational is not my strong point (CCB, duh). I have a v-strom 650 and I keep thinking about a ktm 990SM... :surprise:
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0
1998 Altima GXE. White, AT. 80,000 miles.
just serviced, so should need nothing. Good tires and brakes.
Needs a detail, but never in an accident. Owners never had any problems with it. Drove fine around the block.
Owner did smoke at one point, so there is some lingering odor that I would have to work on (my son, who the car is for, said it smelled like a rental!).
Generally a nice older car with good mileage.
Intended as the first car for a 17YO.
They are looking for 3,000. What says the experts?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
i get the feeling your son would never be completely happy with the car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
The price seems fair for a clean, low-mileage car with records.
I assume that you've seen this Triumph video. I love British humor... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I see it needing a good detail as a plus. Let your son get out the the wax and do a good detail himself and it will feel like he made it a new car on his own. Nothing like making your car shine to bond with it.
If it being a smokers car is the only drawback I would say it is an excellent deal and to jump on it. With a little bit of work you should be able to get rid of most of the smell.
When do you pick it up ?
I really don't care for the car myself, because I think it's kinda ugly and not very comfortable, but other than that premature tranny failure, it's been a good, reliable car.
That Altima sounds like a good deal for a starter car. Of course now my 15 year old thinks a certain Celica looks good for a first car...
I agree 100%. My wife won't even consider riding with me on the S3(I still have the passenger footpegs), but she likes the Rocket III. I just don't want to pay that much money for a bike...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Maybe the old ford for a bit until I can find something, but even that is iffy, the old truck is rather onery and takes a bit to drive. It wouldn't be that way if hubby would replace the front end and steering gear box.........only been bad for the nearly 2 years we've owned the truck!! Darn truck would be easier to drive drunk than sober!! I hate driving it, its a pain, always have to be one step ahead of it. Not exactly what a kid learning to drive needs!
Probably going to look for an older Focus or something. Not in any hurry that's for sure!
Pilot is 9 months old, just realized that, lol. Still can't find anything I really dislike about it!
Walking is one other option that you might point out (?).
Or, as my wife likes to say:
"You get what you get and you don't throw a fit"
Having quoted the wife, I sorta understand where stick is coming from. The wife and I were running some errands over the weekend and we happened to be next to a car where the driver was smoking. She asked what it was that folks saw in that habit, and we couldn't quite figure it out. I then commented that it was going to be real tough for him to sell that car with the smoke smell in the seat fabric.
Not sure that it can ever be removed.
So much for the great real estate bust, at least in nice parts of New England........
That's how much I hate smoking, & smoke smell. But when I was 17--or 20--I was lucky if I even had a car that ran, most of the time.
Then there's a story about smells in my first car, a used 1962 Mercury, & well, it's not an uplifting story. But 17 year olds "do what they do", as I recall.....(???)
Can you link that car again? I went back yesterday to take a look and the link wouldn't work for me.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
That's from the MyEbay. Probably will show the guy has a deposit from me...
He and I may be sharing paranoia. He's thinking I'll have a fake money order and I'm thinking of all those folks that get lured to a location by Craigslist and relieved of money...
It will be fine. Can't think of when I've carried that much cash. Saturday would be an excellent day to get the thing. Supposed to be sunny and warm. I need some SPF 15 Brylcreem....