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Honda Civic Sedan 2006
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the issue with high perf. engine and high compression is that once you compress a gas/air mixture more than n:1 the mixture detonates on it's own without an outside infuence (i.e. no spark, the compression itself is the catalyst). Basically the same way diesel works.
The higher octane retards the detonation allowing a higher compression without self-detonation so that the spark (via the spark plug) is the catalyst. ??
About the 06 Civic, I just saw this article from http://www.collegehillshonda.com/artman/publish/article_343.shtml
It seems that in December, Honda will offer a system for direct iPod integration with the new Civic. I read about aux jacks for the Civic, but apparently the iPod will get direct integration, allowing you to change tracks, etc, via the stereo controls. Also there is this:
"In addition, the Honda Music Link will be the first system to offer synthesized audio voice feedback when using the vehicle audio system to search for artist name, album title, genre, or play list on your iPod." Not sure what this means.
I wonder if this will be available for all trims or just the upgraded stereo in the EX or just Navi models?
Aluminum is aluminum, and steel is steel in Japan, Germany or the U.S.
Very, very few people are accumulating hours of high rpm driving on the street. No one is holding their engines at 8,000 rpm. If they hit that they're shifting to the next higher gear immediately.
Last tim eI checked out of "plebian" makes only Honda and Toyota ware in Formula 1. None of the domestics nor Koreans are in participating in Formula 1. Out of all the makes represented in Formula 1, only two are fairly available for major percent of population to buy. Neither Mercedes, BMW, McLaren, Porche, and Renault are available nor affordable like Honda and Toyota.
Yes all of the 1.6's have VTECH because the owner brings their VTECH phone with him.
If you were referring to VTEC, then the answer is no. Only higher trims have VTEC. EX's have half VTEC, Si's have full VTEC. 1.6 was only produced from 1996 to 2000. The 1.6 Si is only 1999-2000.
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What we don't know is whether the spark can be retarded enough to compensate for the predetonation with a 10.5:1 compression engine. Probably not, or Honda would have recommended regular fuel for the Si.
It doesn't benefit Honda in any way to recommend premium, so if that is their recomendation, then I'd follow it. Those crazy engineers really do have an understanding of the problem.
If they used premium for testing, then they can't say premium is unneeded, can they, or people will complain and sue that they don't get the advertised performance.
It would seem that someone choosing to buy an Si over an EX does not have fuel costs as their number 1 priority.
On some engines, manufacturers "recommend" premium fuel, but allow the use of lower grade.
On all engines, the manufacturers "require" a minimum octane rating, which may be higher than that provided by regular on some engines, probably including the engine in the Si.
The base engine only has a 9.0:1 compression ratio, the Si has a 10.5:1.
The funny thing is that the manufacturers seem to be worried about is the absolute pressure generated in the cylinder and not the compression ratio. I live at a higher altitude and the gas out here has lower octane ratings than it does at sea level. Yet, amazingly enough, it costs the same.
I don't want to drag this out but I have one last nagging question and then I'll drop it.
If the higher compression causes a pre-detonation, does it matter when the spark plug fires? Hasn't the gas/air mix already exploded?
Thanks guys. Appreciate your responses.
I had a 1995 Integra GSR, not sure of the compression off hand but I think it was around 10.5 and premium gas was recomended. I ran regular, mid-range and premium and could really tell no difference in performance.
Sometimes. But he has to get to school, practice etc. He and his siblings will have to make do with less than 197 hp, until they want to buy their own cars.
Also... I think my '88 Civic LX was built in Ohio.
Just read from C&D that the sedan is 140hp/128torque.
My Mazda 3i is 148hp/135torque.
My mom's Hyundai Elantra is 138hp/136torque.
Why can't Honda be little bit more competitive with the powertrain? The sedan has lines of the TSX/TL but the powertrain just doesn't match up with the looks.
I agree, which is why I sold my 2003 Civic Coupe and migrated to a Ford Focus, which has a lot more power albeit slightlier heavier weight. However, I have to admit I got 5 mpg more on freeway driving with the Civic than the Focus (both were stick shifts).
Now, the new 140hp and 128 torque ratings really don't sound so bad to me; the new Civic is a little heavier than the old one, but still lighter than the Focus. So this means the new Civic will be within a couple of lb-ft of the Focus on torque, but still have 12 more horsepower, which should be better at the high end. If the new Civic still makes the same gas mileage, it will be a winner in my book.
Besides, I used to own a 93' Si, and there was nothing particularly incredible about the handling (or its dissapointing reliability). It was decent, but at high speeds it was unstable. Gas mileage was ok though.
If the Civic is being made in Ohio, would their dealerships get them a little sooner - since they wouldn't have to travel as far?
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I love the new si, and I will most likely buy one the minute it comes out.
Even though its rated at 197, its the new testing standard. The RSX TYpe S dropped from 210 to like 203ish, same motor.
You drop an AEM V2 Intake and your pushing 220+.
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-6106%2002-03%20Acura%20RSX-S%20V2.pdf
This is from the 2002 rsx which is "weaker" then the new one. It still gained almost 19 hp to the wheels, not fly wheel, but wheels. That's like 23ish hp flywheel from a 300 dollar intake.
The K20 is a fabulous engine to modify, and you can easily push 230 to the fly wheels with the triple crown of a good intake (aem) headers (dc sports) and exhaust. You add hondata ecu to the equation and you got a high 13 second car in the 1/4 mile which can beat a Mustang GT.
Ask any true tuner about the k20a. It's not uncommon to see RSX type S's running mid to high 13s at your local track with mild upgrades. And they don't even have a LSD like the new si does.
May be worth waiting for if the dealer can't upgrade...
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CR-V is even cheaper to insure. I went from 2002 Civic Si to 2005 CR-V and my insurance was cut in half. I got a more expensive vehicle, but it cost less to insure. And I am not a teen, I am 30.
P.S. The CR-V is manual.
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I think he SHOULD be given the car. He will have a higher chance of killing or hurting him self and/or others. He will be paying for it for the rest of his life if he survives. It may be a sign that his parents want him out of the house, but don't think he will go to college or ever move out. So, the give him a high power sports car so he can kill him self.
Jokes aside, I agree with you. But there are parents who raise spoiled brats and give them everything. And the more they give them, the more kids will expect out of them.
its a 2006 honda civic si, and im not spoiled
And im probably the best stick shift driver here, im 16 but i know how to drive stick and very well at that
@$%%#@#%#@# why sooooo slowww for a 197 HP with LSD i defenetly thought that it would go at leats 6.5 or lower. Honda said this Si is the fastest si they buit but the 1999 Si did 0-60 in 7.2 WHAT is going on im defenetly not buying this civic. Honda punched my face and it hurts :sick: . AT least it looks good. If anyone know that if im wrong or made a mistake PLS telll me.
i heard maybe 6.5-6.7
those 7.0+ are estimates
It's not your ability with a stick that's in question. I'm sure your quite capable, but probably not as good as me. It's the fact that your 16 and driving an 06 Si. Your 16, all 16 year olds have a need for speed, but not the judgement of when to dish it out. Is your dad even aware of what a racing performance vehicle this is? your better off with the sedan civic. I wouldn't buy an Si for my son and he's the most responsible person I know, even compared to all the adults I know (straight A's, general sterling scholar, scholarships and the works.) Sorry, even he doesn't get an 06 Si. He's also wise enough not to even want an 06 Si. He's perfectly happy with his Toyota truck.
it appeals to me and nothing wrong with that