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They told us they wouldn't even look for a vehicle for us on another lot until we gave them a deposit (they didn't have any EX-Ls with DVD/NAV on the lot). They did assure us they *could* get one, they just couldn't guarantee that it would be less than two weeks delivery. Their explanation for not even looking before deposit was that they would have to swap out a vehicle with another dealer to get a EX-L with DVD/NAV for us. Wrong?
I just don't understand the dragging of the feet. The first dealer we dealt with (the one that wouldn't drop $500 in price to match the second dealer, nor would give us a service loaner for warranty repair) was beyond anxious to get the deal done and closed before the end of this past month. The second dealer STILL hasn't given us an answer as to WHEN we can expect a vehicle.
The only options that we are interested in with the Touring are the backup/corner sensors (really just the corner sensors, since we'll get the backup camera with NAV and the dealer option for sensors in the EX-L is only backup sensors, or so I've read), the power liftgate, the 115 volt outlet, fog lamps, the console tray for the 2nd row instead of the Plus One seat and the black leather interior, and *possibly* the dimming rear view mirror. I was heartbroken when I found out I could only get black leather on the Touring. The only option that we'd consider adding on an EX-L is the foglamps though .... all the others were just gravy.
Wife thought she wanted the Caravan. Sto N Go seems to woo the soccer mom crowd. Had to drag her to Honda, but she changed her mind.
Time will tell... our first Honda.
I bought my Touring there at invoice in February. There is nothing "bad" about PAX tires. True, they have some drawbacks but, at least in my mind, those are more than offset by their advantages. They ride quite well too.
Are the EX-Ls with DVD/NAV *that* hard to find? We live in New Jersey.
I'm shopping for identical vehicle in NJ right now. I found 3 or 4 dealers with 1 or 2 such vehicles on their lots, and several other dealers expecting them in next 2-4 weeks. Your price seems good. I negotiated an out the door price of $34,020 with a little help from a connection to the general manager of the dealership.
MSRP: $28,195
Invoice: $25,367
Bought it from Palm Harbor Honda http://palmharborhonda.com/ in Florida.
It was the last day of the month so maybe they needed the sale ?
I was ready to buy a new Odyssey EX but now am undecided for 3 reasons:
#1. All 2005 Ody due in have a deposit placed on them.
#2. Salesman can not give pricing data on 2006 and said they will have
lower discount than now...or none at all.
#3. The Sienna I test drove was MUCH more responsive than the Ody I
drove 30 minutes later. The Sienna transmission more quickly
responded and the acceleration was much better in the Sienna.
I am very interested to find out where in the US are you not paying around invoice for an 05 ex. Well, maybe hawaii or alaska
I am looking for a solution also.
Your nephew paid right at invoice back in November for an EX. Yet you state that now, as we near the end of the model year, dealer's aren't willing to even get to halfway between invoice and MSRP for you?
Perhaps your nephew should negotiate for you..... :P
The Touring with DVD/NAV goes for $36,237.
Not sure how much the pricing is dependent on your zip code. But those are the prices for mine.
Anyone have any experience with CarsDirect?
Also, on the passenger side, the rear bumper is slightly malaligned by several milimeters. What could be the cause of this? I have a Honda EX two months old.
Thank you for your help.
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As for the PAX, we honestly didn't know much of the issues involved. I'm comforted with the fact that they are covered with a two year warranty. In two years, I'm guessing PAX will have become more available and pricing and availability much more consumer friendly.
The TSB 04-078 "Wind Noise from the Windshield" was for 2005 Ody from vin 5FNRL...5B000001 thru 5FNRL...5B023220. >
Our Ody has the whistling wind noise, but falls outside of the vin # for the TSB - therefore, it supposively was fixed and shouldn't have the problem.
I am wondering if I took it in to get serviced, if they would service it at all and if it would even work?
Thanks in advance.
Love the Ody!
Eric
Good luck.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said the problem, affecting minivans from the 2005 model year, stemmed from two external impact sensors that may have been insufficiently sealed during the manufacturing process.
If water enters the sensor corrosion can occur, possibly causing a short circuit, NHTSA said.
It added that front impact sensor failure could cause a delay in or loss of frontal air bag deployment, increasing the risk of injury in a crash.
The Honda recall is expected to begin on Aug, 29, NHTSA said.
Not a whole lot of value there for $5k, IMHO. It likely won't bring that much at trade-in time. When I took out what I wouldn't have added a la carte anyway, I decided that memory seat weren't worth that much to me (even though I have had two vehicles with memory seats). Likewise, the auto-dimming inside mirror (again after having two vehicles with them). It is really not much trouble to flip the lever when needed. I am very happy with my EX-L. It is not trouble to readjust the seat when I need to drive it. Run-flat tires might have been nice 40 years ago when I started driving, but now flat tires are pretty rare. The tire pressure monitor on my G35 is nice, but I have only had to add air once in more than an year. Modern tires are doggone good.
That said, it's your money... Sure do like the Ody. Wife is immensely happier than with her 10yo T&C.
That being said, I would have bought the touring without blinking had it come with the 8th seat. I do miss some of the features of the Touring, but I would have missed the 8th seat by-far more.
Here are some snippets. Check out the URL for more information.
http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/irep4e_20050804.htm
The Honda Motor Co. will recall thousands of its Odyssey minivans amid concerns that potentially faulty sensors for the frontal air bag system could make a warning lamp on the instrument panel remain illuminated, the company said Wednesday.
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Honda said the recall involved 85,154 Odyssey minivans from the 2005 model year. The company said the two sensors near the front bumper may be susceptible to corrosion from road salt, leading the warning light to turn on.
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The warning light indicates a malfunction and instructs the driver to have the vehicle repaired. The company said in a letter to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that some of the sensors were insufficiently sealed during manufacturing.
1. The power lift gate is a very nice luxury.
2. Tri-zone auto climate control is almost a necessity for two adults whose body temperatures vary drastically, together with two kids cocooned in booster/child-safety seats. We know this because of the temperature comfort complaints from everyone when we take our Taurus SES and the absence of same when we take our Yukon XL.
3. The driver-seat memory and power-adjustable pedals are our dream. My wife and I both drive both vehicles and our statures vary by about 10 inches (though my out-of-proportion stubby legs make our leg lengths differ by only 4 or 5 inches). Every time we go through the adjust-everything ritual, we find ourselves salivating over these option (would that both were memory and the mirrors too! Mercedes or Lexus, I guess?).
4. I'll admit that the 115-volt AC outlet and multi-information display aren't too exciting to me.
5. But the leather-wrapped steering wheel as in the Yukon is a delight.
6. Also, the auto-dimming rearview mirror is not only very nice, but also helps prevent a distraction that manually adjusting the mirror causes (not to mention the slight irritation at those so-and-so drivers who have their brights on, thoughtlessly blast the highway with their high-output bulbs, have their headlights misadjusted, or all three! :mad: ).
7. Likewise, auto headlights are wonderful.
8. The foglights, parking sensors, and the second-row removable center console are, at the very least, nice-to-haves.
9. Run-flat tires and the tire-pressure monitoring system might make me feel just a bit better with my wife driving the "wilds" of DFW-area highways (where "courtesy" is undefined and the speed limit signs are taken as the minimum acceptable driving speed). :surprise: :mad:
10. And 17.5-inch wheels would enhance that sense of pride in owning something attractive.
All in all, that's a long list of features I personally would value and well worth a few grand, if you can afford it, IMHO.
I've actually told my wife to either drive through the ditch to the frontage road or limp on down the highway to an exit rather than to stop beside the road and risk her life (and usually also, our children's lives) stopping beside the highway.
Doubtless such a maneuver is still risky and would probably destroy the wheel and maybe suspension parts in the case of a flat. But such expense is well worth my families' lives. So, you can well imagine how the relative increased expense and potential hassle of the PAX tires is less of a concern to me than to others.
It is common for any new fully redesigned vehicle to have some teething problems. My family was in the auto business for 30 years. We never bought first-year cars, but IMHO the manufacturers have done a tremendously better job than in the past. I like new stuff with the latest gadgets, so I'll give 'em six months of production before buying. Haven't gotten burned yet. Not sure I'd try it with a Ford or Dodge yet....GM has done fairly well though.
However, couldn't a person just drive a little slower in the far right lane to the next exit on a flat tire of any kind? I frequently see TV footage of criminals driving for many miles on tires flattened by Police spikes and often at high speeds.
No - A LOT SLOWER would be more like it.
"I frequently see TV footage of criminals driving for many miles on tires flattened by Police spikes and often at high speeds."
Have you seen the rims after all this? I don't think you want to be driving on regular tires when they are flat.
But it doesn't take much to destroy a tire from running on the rim. My daughter drove her Celica GTS back to the house on a flat (just up the drive, about 1/4 mile) and it destroyed her tire. Instead of a $7 fix, it was $350 for 2 new tires. She now knows to huff-it back up the drive in that situation!
And how in the heck to you ruin 2 tires with 1 flat? :confuse: :confuse: :confuse:
You don't ruin two tires. But, unless the ruined tire and it's vehicle/axle mate are brand spanking new, you do want to replace tires in pairs (if not entire sets, if you are in the habit of rotating tires). Otherwise, the mismatches are very hard on your suspension and dangerous for handling.
Also, to sebring95: It isn't so much a matter of getting attacked on the side of the road (though this is a legal concealed weapon state!). It's the fact that drivers too frequently ram into a car stopped at the side of the road. My theory is that this happens because we drive fast here and, when confronted with traffic slowing faster than expected (as they tend to do when a car is on the shoulder), drivers here are in the habit of veering toward the shoulder in an attempt to avoid rear-ending the car in front of them. As a result, they frequently slam into the before-that-point-unseen broken-down vehicle and/or people standing on the shoulder: out of the frying pan and into the fire, as it where. :surprise:
Because the tires were getting worn, we replaced them both so the tread would be even. Price didn't seem bad, tirerack prices were in the ballpark and I'm good friends with the tire shop guys so they always give me good prices. These were her summer tires/wheels, 17" something or another. Youngest boy just got an Acura type-S with some real low-pro 17's, probably be expensive, hopefully it doesn't burn tires as fast as the Celica does.
I don't pay a lot of attention to the competition. I do know there seem to be, as usual, a ton of Chrysler minivans sitting on lots as well as a pretty good supply of Siennas.
It's frustrating and I hope the situation improves.
Here is the website: http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/index.jsp
Perhaps JD Power sees the drivers side door flying open in a collision as more of a saftey issue than NHTSA does.It is a first year production model though...so maybe Honda can work the bugs out and get that crash rating back up to a 4 or 5.