Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    just when i thought i had enough useless information in my head.

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Already bored with the Patriot?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    The Beaumont does look nice. My fintail wants the tires on that 220D (they are not period correct for that car). That's a seriously slow car,but it looks very nice in the pics. Diesels sold in NA were available as manuals through the W123 cars, most often found in 220/240D cars. I think the last large manual MB sedan was the W108, I think all W116s sold here were automatic.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    I've had thoughts of picking up this 300ZX if I could get it down to the high $5K range. Not crazy about the slushbox, but this is more of a GT car than a pure sport.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    lol, no. I wanted to get an older car for some time now. Because my gas and repair expenses have drastically gone down with the Patriot, I can get another cheap toy to play around with that I don't have to rely on for daily transportation.

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    That's a seriously slow car,but it looks very nice in the pics.

    My folks owned one of those, albeit an automatic, and I will absolutely agree that it took forever to get up to speed. Once there, it cruised quite nicely. The family took it on a trip up I-5 in CA and I began to understand the difference between German and American cars and why the autobahn has the reputation it does.

    For Christmas one year, I got them vanity plates:

    REAL SLO
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,965
    did he sign the dashboard? i'm sure that would help :)
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,965
    i actually see a mint looking wagon like that on a regulare basis, although the paint is tan.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Nah, no automatic 928, even though it would be better than the early dual-clutch and therefore make sense (replacing a dual clutch on those early cars is very $$$). I'd rather just buy a GTS and be happy.

    Shelby's TC -- no sense guessing since it's being sold as part of a charity donation---so these cars tend to get over-bid anyway.

    I'm not so sure Shelby's minor race victories in a car he didn't even own would boost the price to 10X market value.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,442
    What do you think of this? How high will it go?

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  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    I just acquired a great car and I figured I'd share the news with you guys. The car is a 1984 Volvo 240 DL 2-door, 203k miles, with the M46 manual tranny (4-speed plus overdrive). I purchased this one from the original owner because he didn't want it anymore, and he sold it to me for only $400. I'm tickled pink because this is the first vintage Volvo I've ever had, having owned newer 850s before.

    Shifty, this car is a gem- it has its needs, obviously, but it runs great and doesn't make any funny noises at all. You know the 240 series better than I do (this is my first), so I have to ask- are there any serious trouble spots I need to watch out for on the cars? I know about the rubber donuts on the exhaust and the myriad rattles that come with owning a 240, but that's my extent of 240 knowledge. I'm sure you could tell me a host of many more stuff on these cars.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Congrats!

    Not too many weaknesses on this car that I can recall offhand. The fuel pump relay tends to fail regularly, so I'd carry a spare and learn how to plug in into the relay box.

    The big boxy headlights have the power of a small candle as they age, due to deterioration of the reflectors. So if you are blind at night, that's why.

    Windshield wipers are agonizingly slow and I have no idea how to fix that.

    U-joints in the driveshaft are too small and must be maintained if grease fittings are present. These joints often freeze and you'll notice a shimmy in the driveline as you let off the clutch.

    Other than that, just the usual pieces falling off the dashboard, knobs coming off in your hand, and if you have the leather interior, you already know how bad that can get.

    Sturdy old car, all in all and probably has a few miles left in it. Try not to use overdrive at too low a speed.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'm guessin' maybe $4,500---$6,000.

    Any more than that, the buyer is buried IMO. This is not, after all, a 1965 Mustang.

    Let us know how it pans out.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    Actually, the overdrive doesn't work on that Volvo. I'm not bothering to get it fixed at the moment. I am planning to get some little stuff, like the clock and electric door locks, repaired since I prefer that those things work first.

    The overdrive, from what I am told, is complicated and expensive to fix. Although it is not as complex as the Laycock de Normanville OD unit that is found in the P1800. I'm glad I didn't buy the latter car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The overdrive might only be a solenoid or electrical wiring or fuse. It's worth investigating and a good thing to have. These are noisy highway cars so overdrive really makes a difference. Crawl under there and look for loose wires or a burned out fuse.

    The P1800 overdrive had a major fault. If you left it in overdrive and then backed up, you could wipe out the sprag gears just like that (snapping fingers).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    Wow! Lots of folks would love to have that for the LeMons race. :)

    Of course, I wouldn't want to destroy it like that, personally .... I'm just sayin.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    no sense guessing since it's being sold as part of a charity donation---so these cars tend to get over-bid anyway

    Ah. Yes, you are correct.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,442
    I think that he'd be overjoyed with that money. It's a good car but definately a 20 footer (if not 30 footer).
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    You'll always have something to fix

    This brand had a lot more going for it once

    Not overpriced by more than $150

    The battlecruiser is a hard sell
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    I wish he had better pics of that Jag .... ummmm... or do I?

    For $100, I may be tempted by that Lancia if it were within reasonable driving distance of me (I have a car dolly!).

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  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Who knows what horrors lie under the hood?

    I coulda had a G8 ST.

    No one loves a '70s Impala.

    These all seem to have vanished in the last few years.

    Sorry, but 1981 is not an "antique".
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Jaguar XJ12 -- it never ends, it just never ends. It will break down, catch fire, ex-pire, re-tire, kill your desire, every week of every month of every year you own it. It just never ends. Nibbled to death by ducks.

    Lancia Beta -- whatever you can junk it for, that's what it's worth. Re-badged Fiat piece of offal, no relation to the great name of Lancia.

    '51 Merc--too bad it's a 4 door, but at least they're suicide doors, so kinda sorta cool. I like flathead Ford engines.

    '61 Newport 2DHT--- should sell around that price of $6900 if it's anywheres a decent car. Color is unfortunate. Realistic price at least.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    The Bronco IIs didn't so much as vanish as they quickly returned to the earth in their molecular components.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Heck, I love 70's Impalas, but even I don't like those two! I didn't like the later model coupes with the stationary rear windows, like that '76. And with that section of roof gone, I wonder how long it will be before the body starts to buckle and you have to get into and out of it, Dukes of Hazzard style?

    The '73 might be a nice beater, if you put normal rims back on it. I think the front-end style of the '73, for some reason, is my least favorite of the '71-76 generation. I think it's the spaced-apart headlights and grille texture that turn me off a bit.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I always liked those Jag coupes. Very nice lines to them, the sedans too though but the coupes more so.

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That red Impala coupe has a hideous paint job. Should deduct another $1500 for that.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,161
    "I always liked those Jag coupes. "

    Same here, disappointed to find out that they have both the normal Jag problems, and they had difficulties making the side windows seal. New technology, those windows! :sick:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You seem to be in a minority as far as the marketplace is concerned. The coupes don't command that much of a premium and are a hard sell. I can see both sides, but IMO this is one time when the 4-door is more attractive than the coupe. The coupe strikes me as very awkward in design. Ditto the XJS coupe and the Mercedes W123 coupes.

    This is not handsome car to me:

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I agree, Shifty...this has always been one car where I thought the 4-door looked better. I mean, it' s not a horrible looking car, not by a long shot. But I think what happened is that Jag designed the 4-door first, and then sort of cobbled the design into a 2-door hardtop, and it shows. Jag really hit a home run with the styling of the sedan, though, so that might be part of what makes the coupe look bad. Had they botched up the 4-door's style, perhaps we'd appreciate the hardtop more?

    OTOH, domestic brands often designed the 2-door hardtops first, and then sort of made the design fit as well as it could onto a 4-door sedan. People tended to buy a coupe because they wanted to, but a sedan because they HAD to, so they might as well put the styling effort into the more frivolous of the two purchases. For many models back then, the 2-door was often the biggest seller, anyway, so I guess it made sense to put the most effort into styling them.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    That's exactly what happened. The XJ and MB W123 coupes (and the SLC for that matter) were afterthoughts of their original platforms, and you can really tell.

    The MB W111 coupe was an afterthought of the fintail...and it sure was an elegant product. Of course, it had a good foundation. :P

    The XJS Shifty mentions is just an odd duck. It was never really a contemporary design, so it didn't age like a normal car, and it never looked quite right.
  • srs_49srs_49 Member Posts: 1,394
    That '51 Merc reminds me of my dad's '52 Plymouth that I learned to drive on. Same color too ;)
  • steven922steven922 Member Posts: 49
    1964 Pontiac

    Ulgy IMO, but clean

    Another Studebaker

    Pimpin"

    An Oldie

    Must be Studebaker week
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    The 79 bonneville with the big rims.... he spent a ton of money on rims, but couldn't put a CD player in the car?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's amazing you can buy a restored 96 year old car for less than a used Hyundai. Goes to show you that the age of a car does not relate all that much to value.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    The capability to drain any savings account

    Nice enough looking, a little steep, but "NADA" is irrelevant when it comes to these cars

    The last of these
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    That '88 Porsche 924S looks tempting, and appears to be fairly priced, but I imagine future repairs would be very expensive.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    230SL --- hmm, Euro car, shabby carpets, poor color---$25K seems like plenty for this one. My Ferrous Oxide alarm just went off.

    I bet he picked the "High Retail Value" (be right back)

    Yes, he did pick High Retail, which is supposed to be a #2++ car, or as NADA says:

    "High Retail Value
    This vehicle would be in excellent condition overall. It could be a completely restored or an extremely well maintained original vehicle showing very minimal wear. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are not in need of reconditioning. The interior would be in excellent condition."

    Porsche 924S-- presuming service records are up to date, fair enough price given that you couldn't buy a beat up Corolla for that money.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Typical dreamers:

    Seller with a $1500 car

    Book value could be as high as $5000
    Aftermarket wheels and new tires: $4500
    New stereo $1000
    Labour to install new stereo: $200
    New muffler plus labour $1500
    Rare paint job: only one in the world: $5000
    Rare factory cup holder delete option (one of two in the state of California that year) ups price by $3000

    Total value: $20200

    "Will be worth way more in 20 years" (when gas goes down to $5 cents a gallon and people develop a fetish for ugly painted, cupholder-less, one off, slow selling cars with non matching and non fitting oversized wheels)

    Steal it for only $17000 no low ballers, serious buyers only. Or will straight trade for a mint 2003 and up Mercedes Benz SL500, or a new Challenger, or a yacht. (typically the trades rthey want are valued at 50% of book values).

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    Does that 230SL have something Euro about it other than what appear to be Euro lights? I will agree that every Euro W113 I have seen has had either rust issues or lots of rust repairs.

    Boomchek's pricing formula is the rule for many craiglist sellers, and one can't forget to "appraise" your #3/4 car by the listing for a #1 car.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    So my father tells me last night he is on the prowl for a project car. Budget of $3k-$4k for a runner without major needs and he finds appealing (of course). He's got a line on a '77 MGB for $4k. But my opinion is a '77 MGB with an asking price of $4k is probably going have major needs.

    I pointed him to this particular thread. Maybe he'll pop in and show us what he's looking at. :)

    Others we discussed briefly: old Jags (obviously it would need to be a very late XKE 2+2 6-cyl to even get close to budget), RX7 (bit of nostalgic reason here, and he knows the rotary ... or RX3, RX2, etc), ummmm... geez, ya know, I forget all we discussed. I mentioned a couple that would never be within reach, like a Cosmos or 2000GT. But it basically all points to a foreign sportscar at the moment. Which is kind of surprising, really. Maybe I've had a little influence here? Although he did pick an RX7 way back when to be his daily driver, without my help. But then followed that up with a Z28 that he stuffed a 454 into. So who knows?

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    $4K or less gets you some slim pickins. Any XKE around that price would be a disaster. Any RX would be a great pick, fun cheap cars with lots of aftermarket. You could probably get a rubber bumpered MGB for that, but they are no fun unless you fix the suspension and engine to something more like the chrome bumpered models. Other choices? 924/944 can be add in pretty decent shape for $4k. Maybe he could squeeze into an Alfa Spider for that. Spitfire if he likes slow cars that break down a lot.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,161
    One other option - Fiat Spider.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    given i have an alfa spider, that is off his list. been there, done that, kinda thing.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    "Fleetwood" in name only

    What not to buy

    See above

    Not bad looking ponton

    Neat little thing from same seller

    Do your part to make sure oil companies reap windfall profits

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,161
    You'd thing the 308 seller would get more money if he threw away those rims!
    As for the Opel GT - is the 1100 engine a plus?? Pretty small. Rare not same as good/valuable in this case, I'd think.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    regardless of the engine, i think i like that opel. I mean, for $2400? Looks to be very little to no rust.

    too bad its in Seattle or I'd shoot that link over to Pop.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    C'mon. Let's be honest. Halfway?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Mercedes 6.9 -- in addition to making Exxon richer, you also get to send the Mercedes' mechanic's kids to Princeton.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh, no, not a '77 MGB. Awful car. He'd be very disappointed I think. Slow, clumsy, ugly, unreliable. What's not to dislike?

    How 'bout a Triumph Spitfire? Simple and fun.

    Or an MG Midget, 1974 or older? This presumes he can fit into one. Massive aftermarket parts industry for these cars.

    An RX3 coupe would be fun.

    E-Type? The car will bury him. Very expensive to fix, very difficult to work on.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    I was thinking Triumph, too.

    He says no to Midget.

    I found a few maybes. What y'all think.

    http://cnj.craigslist.org/ctd/807588234.html
    not much of a project, maybe, but could always work on adding a turbo. :)

    http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/806961081.html
    older body style with a turbo

    http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/803469444.html
    too small?

    http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/800514389.html
    seems like a good price if its in halfway decent shape

    or a bigger thirstier engine:
    http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/794360395.html

    seem to be quite a few of these around
    http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/793536468.html

    And just to throw in an oddball that I think we've all discussed before around here:
    http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/798707138.html

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

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