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Lexus LS 460/LS 460L Styling Impressions



  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I am 99% certain the next LS will offer AWD. Lexus has already begun offering AWD on the GS and the IS will have it as an option as well. Also, here is a quote from Denny Clements (just retired Lexus GM) in a magazine article interview from one year ago:

    "Clements said Lexus and parent Toyota Motor Corp. have set this stir-things-up agenda for the next few years:

    A new distinct design specific to Lexus, to be seen first in the 2005 GS 430 and evolving from there.

    A redesign of each car line by spring 2007.

    All-wheel drive availability with the redesigns.

    The addition of a flagship above the LS 430.

    The creation of a factory performance division, akin to Mercedes-Benz's AMG."
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    are you still reading this board? You have some very loyal "fans" here who would love to see you post some more comments on the upcoming LS redesign!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The LS430 is the car that defines everything that Lexus stands for: Refinement, Luxury, Reliability.

    The ES330 is the "ultra-lite" version.

    The RX330 is the "family-lite" version.

    The ES and RX pay the bills because those buyers want to be coddled in their cars and don't care how fun it is to drive. They want a refined, comfortable cabin, with technology and reliability.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I suspect Kevin & Ken have already said too much and would not post here again, imo. The information they provided was way too much than Lexus would permit on their ultra-secretive LS project, so we may as well get used to not hearing much *official* info any longer, at least I am resigned to that fact.

    Which leaves us to continue our speculation... Isn't that more fun anyway ??? :)
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    Were they really Lexus people? Think about it. What did they have to gain? They certainly had a lot to lose and if they were really Lexus personnel they probably violated company policy.
  • I agree that I was always slightly suspicious of them. If they were truly lexus people, then why would they risk placing their jobs in such risk. Edmunds is a well known location and certainly somewhere Lexus would be keeping an eye on in their secretive activities. And further, unless these two were extremely careful, it would not be hard for Toyota to trace down their true identities, using IP addresses and the like. Remember, these are secrets related to a multi-billion dollar development, and judging by Apple's activities regarding much smaller technology developments, Lexus would absolutely not stand for such a blatant breach of their trade secrets.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    OK, we'll never know for sure - well, I guess when the LS is released we'll see if any of their predictions come true. Let's just stick to talking about the 07 LS for now.


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  • oacoac Posts: 1,594

    I just want to refresh ourselves of the actual posts by these gentlemen....

    yamamurakelvin, "2007 Lexus LS" #316, 16 Jun 2005 10:49 pm

    There seemed to be some air of knowingness to their posts that makes me want to believe them.

    Or am I just gullible ??? Please re-read these posts in the link here....
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690

    Probably a couple of Japanese auto enthusiasts having some fun. Anyone of importance in the development of a car like the LS will be in the den of secrecy secured by employment contracts or non-disclosure agreements. Above all they'd be banned from making comments in public forums or internet sites and most certainly to the press - and let's remember this is Toyota we are dealing with and they are as top secret as it gets in this industry. So why post on a public board viewed by a couple of dozen or so posters and maybe another couple of dozen readers - and with nothing to gain financially or emotionally. You've got to realize that building a new model like that is akin to acquiring a public company. Having led such an acquisition I know what that secrecy is like. The leader and a few others know what is going on and the rest are supposed to be in the dark. But that is impossible over the long run. Some of the people under me had no idea of what they were researching (at least not the end game) but a handful figured it out. So one Monday I met with the ones I suspected knew and told them they'd be gone in 24 hours if I suspected any leaks. Later I met with the larger group and said the same thing - albeit the departure would be for different reasons. As for the LS there are so many tidbits around that someone could carry on a charade. What was really telling is they knew nothing about the 8 speed tranny or the 12cyl supercar. On top of that you have not one, but a few and they are involved in different - supposedly secret projects. Moreover, Japanese employees toe the line about as well as or better than anyone in the world. You go there often enough, so you probably know that first hand and a lot better than me. I never bought their story, which is why I rarely commented on it - with them or the board.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I do see your point. Yes, I frequent Japan enough to know about the society (as much as a visitor can) that's why I am conflicted on this... Oh well... we'll see soon enough. I suppose the LF-S (LS prototype) is expected at next month's Tokyo Auto Show, no ? I expect Lexus will start showing the prototype sometime this year, to put paid to all of our speculation.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Probably a couple of Japanese auto enthusiasts having some fun.

    That's a possibility. Yet I am still inclined to believe them. If they provide some more details and the predictions (and their earlier predictions) turn out to be correct, then we will know whether Ken and Kevin are who they say they are.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I thought I had read that it would be on debut at the Tokyo auto show late next month. By the way these are the guys that got the IS and LS confused, something that is also hard to do. I had forgotten about that.

    OAC - atre there deputy titles in Japanesse companies?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690

    When I looked over your link I also noted that Kelvin was part of his user name and that's also how he introduced himself. But after that it magically became Kevin. I'll bet the last names they chose are real names of Toyota personnel though.

    Syswei - These guys also seem to monitor the Japanese boards which is where they may well be picking up the rumors of what will be on the car. They had a lot of generalizations and "might be's" in their posts. That doesn't sound to me like people in the know. People in the know are very matter of fact about things.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    OK... Seriously, that's enough debate on this issue. Please return to discussing the LS rather than other members. Further posts along this line will simply be deleted.


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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    No, I havent seen that one before. Its lookin good. I would suggest to Lexus that they include an A8 in their tests, I think its better than both the 7 and the S.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    Agree - although the next S will be the latest thing out of Germany pretty soon. That LS sketch is a beauty. I'd lessen the notchback a bit though - too BMWish -and I've always thought the notchback was an overdone design. A look like that makes sense if Lexus is going to a one-based design system - ala the Germans. It's really a bigger looking GS and IS and in that pix retains a real high-end lux look. I like the stance of the car as well but I'd think Lexus will use a larger grill on the LS. That is really a GS grill.

    My car is due in for service. I'm going see if I can get some news from the dealer.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I don't see the car you are talking about in that link. All I saw was the 2006 IS, and a pair of LS430 test mules.... Nothing in the link even remotely resembles anything LS460.... Maybe its an LS460 with an LS430 body.... otherwise, nothing really special about the cars in the link.. Am I missing something ?
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Me either. If this is a 460 next to a 430 then no one but super enthusiasts will be able to tell them apart. If this is true - what a disappoinment! Lexus truly needs to jazz up the 460 a little. My sense is that this is NOT a 460 - unless, like you, there is another picture hidden in there somewhere.
  • oac, that poorly photoshopped car that you called the 2006 IS is supposed to be the LS460!!! I have no idea why people go through the trouble to put a GS grille on an IS and then change the bottom lip of the bumper, elongate the wheelbase and then call it a "Future Look at the Next Generation LS"! Stupid, stupid, stupid! Basically, there's no news so far, so car connection decided to throw some fluff at us.

    Boo. :sick:
  • ...Then call me a "super enthusiast".

    All kidding aside, the way you can tell is by the shaved fenders to allow for a bigger car underneath to fit the sheetmetal of the LS 430. Clearly, the new LS 460 is a much wider car because the wheelbase doesn't fit in the 430 shell. This is indeed the 460. :)

    I can't wait until I see this car! I am more excited to see this car more than any other car. Well, it will be interesting to see how the next generation ES, SC, and uber-IS turn out... :D :D :D
  • When is it by the way? In October? As far as I know, the only Tokyo auto show in October is for commercial vehicles. Where will we see the new LS unveiled? :cry: I wanna see it!
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I believe the Tokyo show is at the end of October.
  • Yes, but isn't that for commercial vehicles? :confuse: Can you find me a site that confirms the Tokyo release show of the LS in October?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    One of the tidbits on the LS in one of the mags said the car would be unveiled at the Tokyo show later this year. This is the on-year for consumer vehicles - which run every other year (remember the LFS was unveiled at the 2003 show). The LS is a must for this years show given the world debut of Lexus and the debut of the next LS would occur prior to the next consumer show in October of 2007. No way does Lexus miss this show with the next LS. So perhaps 30 days from now we know the real deal with the car.

    I'm sure the next gen Camry will be on display also. I fully expect the LS to be there but what I'm equally interested in is to see if the HPX, next gen LX or GX makes this show as well.

    OAC, good friend - Any trips to Tokyo in the next 30 days??

    And one more - but you may need PW access for some of this.
  • Thank you very much!

    I would also imagine that the new ES 350 would be unvailed as well.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Len, nope... No trips to Japan this year. I would have gone to Tokyo this December, but I just quit my job, so that's that.... BTW, I'd like to ping you on getting some ideas of locations to live in NJ... My new job is based out of Philadelphia, but I'd rather prefer to live up in NJ. Any ideas ? You can e-mail me at

  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Mike, I am pretty much of an enthusiast myself. That said, one of the biggest knocks on the LS is the "staid styling". You must admit that looking at the picture of the supposed 460 next to the 430, that only folks such as yourself are going to immediately notice the difference. Now, I doubt that Lexus will go for as dramatic a change as some hope for - the family resemblance must remain; however, I would be shocked if what we see in that picture is the "real 460". I strongly believe that we will see more of a LF-S flavor to the car, even if subdued for this top marque.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    OAC - Just saw your post and am headed out for dinner. Give me some time for thought - but further east in NJ toward Monmouth county is the area I know inside out. Without question the most beautiful area in western NJ nearer to Philly is Princeton. Much of Mercer county is beautiful with Princeton itself being the top area -but that might be a decent commute to Philly. I assume you'd prefer driving given you are coming from California. Philly is a nice city. It lives under the shadow of NYC but it is really a nice place. I had friends there and used to go often (as in 10-15 years ago, but those friends have now moved to Morristown NJ which is west of Newark and NYC). But in all honesty my number 1 spot to live - if I worked in or around Philly would be Bucks county, Pa. Very historic (where Washington crossed the Delaware) and beautiful area on the Delaware river with New Hope as a must visit town. My second spot would be the Valley Forge, Pa area - a NW Philly suburb and a surburban corporate locale. Many large upscale homes are in that area. My third spot would be Princeton because it may be a bit distant in commuting - depending on where in Philly you are working. Take out the commute and I'd flip a coin between Bucks County and Princeton. But don't underestimate that Valley Forge area either. Here's a link to Buck county and I'm sure you'll find many more on the web.
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