Chevy Silverado - Continued XVI

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  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    you have mail regarding that air filter you were asking about.

    Al

    One of the causes of the wind noise was running the a/c on fresh air. The fresh air being forced into the cab pushes the frail latches and windows open causing wind noise. So how does the new frame direct the air flow away...not some kind of spoiler or wing?
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    FYI, the 4.7 isn't a hemi. I would have taken the Cad and put the load in the back seat and trunk.LOL!!!
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Dean, that's good advice about having the tech hop in for a ride with you before signing off on the work.

    Sounds like what Ronnie Reagan told Gorbachev,
    "Trust...but verify!"
  • white6white6 Member Posts: 588
    I took my Sierra in complaining (among other things) of the rattle or ticking when the fan was on 3 or higher. They replaced the fan motor; no improvement whatsoever. A friend was riding with me later and he closed the left passenger side vent... no more noise! Since I rarely have a passenger with me, I just leave the vent closed. Of course, GM is buying the truck back in a week or two anyway, so I will have zero problems shortly.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Truck is A OK now. Took it in i told them i wanted to go for a test drive with the service tech. Went for a 20 min ride. AT first he denied hearing a noise i was like oh no. But he heard it we stopped popped the hood he heard it and we took it back. He took a stethescope (dr listening thingy) and poked around listening to the engine while running for about 30 min. Nothing wrong with the block. He said there is a slight echo in the intake which isnt harming or doesnt have an effect on the engine itself. We then went and found a 2000 tahoe and silverado with the 5.3 let em warm up and they all did the same thing. He said if gm comes up with a problem i will be notified by the service dept.

    Next i had the trans update and there is a noticable difference already it feels (drives) so much better very very smooth. Shifting is like silk.

    I was very impressed i got to stay in the service area the whole time. Afterwards i realized the guy who worked on the truck was my grandmas neighbor. He has worked as a chevy tech for 20 odd years.

    Thanks dean for your help.

    Great experience and my truck is even better now

    Ryan
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    the quarter windows tsb. of course, they won't do any work until i have a problem with wind noise coming from that area. so today, i winced and opened both quarter windows. after work, i'll shut 'em and take a run down the highway. hopefully they'll make some noise so i can go get it done...more to follow...

    bco
  • speedybirdspeedybird Member Posts: 29
    I found the ticking noise last night. That is exactly it, the left passenger vent. With the vent in the full open position it rattles against the plastic rod used to open/close it. You can see it with a flashlight. Yanked the vent cover out, no more noise.

    I thought it was one of the hard to find problems because it would come and go. My wife has a tendency to close the vents. I just never connected the two. Duh....

    Thanks,
    Randy
  • kalwoodkalwood Member Posts: 17
    Reply for pinhi in posting # 668.

    I recently purchased a Indigo Blue 2000 Silverado LS, with Ext Cab, 4 dr, 4wd, 5.3l, 4.10 rear end, 4sp Auto, Autotrac, P245/75R16 ALT WOL tires, and Bucket seats. Window sticker was $30,553 (=MSRP+Destination). I paid taxes on $26,186 and then got a $1000 rebate. I bought mine on August 31 and took what the dealer had on his lot.

    Edmunds’ and Kelly Blue Book’s (http://www.kbb.com/) websites can give you the MSRP and Invoice price. GM will let you build one at http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/index.htm but when I was shopping, they only showed MSRP. Check dealer websites and cars.com type sites, as they will let you ‘build’ one and see MSRP and Invoice both. That way you get an idea on what each option is going to cost you.

    Edmunds and others will give you information on rebates and incentives, currently none for 2001 Silverados. They will also give some guidance on determining a price. “Dealer Holdback” was a ‘new’ term from when I last bought a new vehicle (1993). Dealer Holdback is money manufacturers refund to dealers to cover financing their inventory and supposedly reduces the dealers cost to something below Invoice. Most sites will say a dealer should be satisfied with 2-3% profit on each vehicle they sell. Keep in mind that supply and demand can alter the price significantly. But this should work for a vehicle is good supply with reasonable demand. My rule of thumb was the bigger the ‘rebate’ the smaller the demand.

    In six months of research the formula came down to this: Base Invoice for the vehicle + Invoice for selected options – 3% for Dealer Holdback (# for Chevy, others maybe different) + 3% for “fair” dealer profit + Destination Charge. Or the short form: Base Invoice + Options Invoice + Destination Charge = Target Price. Note this DOES NOT include any rebate. Dealers will try to include rebates in any price they quote you. You may think they are meeting or beating your Target Price but are really taking money out of your pocket. Be very clear on where/when any rebate is applied. Also, be very careful when selecting a low rate financing over a cash rebate. The finance guy tried to convince me to take the 6.9% over my credit union’s 7.9% by saying I’d save $400 in interest charges. True, but I’d have to pay extra the $1000 from the rebate and with interest would have actually cost me about $800 more!

    I used this formula as my Target Price to pay. I got mine for a little less, but as I said I bought my on the last day of the month, toward the end of the model year, and took what the dealer had on his lot.

    Good luck!
  • roger350roger350 Member Posts: 157
    Called the dealer today and I have a TPW of next week for my '01 2500HD/Ext./4x4/6.0/4.10. Looks like it will be early November. Not bad. I placed the order at the dealer on 9/28, GM accepted the order 9/29, it will be built next week, and in town a few weeks later. I am so pumped. Everyone have a good weekend.
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    great advice...one small correction. dealer holdback is calculated as 3% of MSRP, not 3% of invoice...

    for those shopping...if you can get a dealer to "dip into" or sacrifice his holdback...chances are it's a vehicle he's looking to dump for one reason or another. maybe it's a 2000 and the 2001's are arriving on his lot. maybe it's late december and he's looking to avoid paying tax on it. or, maybe it's got vibration or other problems that caused others not to buy it...

    bco
  • sbwnsbwn Member Posts: 8
    I have that same problem with my '01 Z71. You have to be kidding. The passenger side vent is what is causing that clicking? I will have to check that out. Thanks.
  • speedybirdspeedybird Member Posts: 29
    If you close the LEFT PASSENGER vent the noise should go away.
    OR
    Open the glove box all the way, reach in to get at the tabs and pull the entire vent assembly out.

    Hope your problem is as simply as that.
    Randy
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    in the a/c vent. Left it running for about 5 minutes and could hear no ticking. Hmmmm...next time I check I better remember to turn the stereo down...

    ryan

    Glad everything turned out ok. Wish I could have done the same and wait in the service department...only thing, I couldn't afford to stay the three days or more its going to be in the shop...LOL!!
  • hawgdawghawgdawg Member Posts: 24
    Any of you guys getting a predetonation sound? I swear that's what it is coming from the drivers side.

    Pisses me off that I had a great truck with no weird noises or problems and it has to get totaled. Then I get a 2001 and this noise is going to make me INSANE!!!

    Travis
  • sfishsfish Member Posts: 27
    reply to Pinhi #668
    Other posts on this are very good. I took the easy way and said I'd be happy in early Sept to get a 2001 LT with everything for $49 over invoice and they show me the invoice. I called a dealer 60 miles away from home, but where I have to take the kids for soccer and said,"here's the way I will buy a truck this far from home, do you want to do the deal?" It took them 4 nsec to agree. Made me mad I didn't ask for more, but I am happy.
    Anyone having hard downshifts when making a california stop? Does the brake pedal feel a little mushy for 4 wheel discs?
  • blackmax200blackmax200 Member Posts: 255
    is normal on a brand new truck. Owner's manual says (page 2-14) "take is easy for the first 200 miles". Use moderate pedal pressure to break in the brakes. Plan stops in advance as best you can to avoid heavy braking. It takes that amount of time to establish a "friction coupling" (sorry engineering term) between the iron rotors and composite brake pads.

    matthew
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Mine were "mushy" at first now they are great. Seems after about 4K-5K they dont seem so mushy.

    They used to lock up going over small bumps. They rarely do it now

    Ryan
  • speedybirdspeedybird Member Posts: 29
    I put the ARE fiberglass lid on my '00 Silverado LT and really like it. So far I haven't had to remove it for hauling anything although removal looks very easy. Undo 4 clamps and that's it.

    A.R.E. OWNERS: ARE has come out with an automatic lock for the tailgate/cover. Some modifications to the handle assembly and run wires to the front kickpanel. WORKS GREAT WITH THE FACTORY REMOTE.

    The kit works with both the lid and cap.

    Randy
  • 99crewcab199crewcab1 Member Posts: 79
    I was at the dealer today and overheard one the sevice guys talking about the brakes. He said that they are about $400 a pair but last about 70,000mi. He said that he hasn't had to replace any pads on a Silverado yet.

    Nick
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    K. Wonder what's up with the Tahoes and Yukons that eat them pads like candy.
  • chevygertchevygert Member Posts: 3
    Hey Roger 350,

    I think we ordered the same thing. I also ordered a 2001 Silverado 2500HD Ext. Cab 4x4 LS 6.0L 4.10....I ordered mine on 9/15/00...it got allocated 9/29/00 (black paint made it take longer)....GM acceptd my order on 10/4/00....I have a TPW of 10/30/00....and I should maybe get mine the second week of November....Keep me updated on yours that way I know what to expect on mine....Thanks
  • mblrdsmblrds Member Posts: 41
    I got lost reading all of these posts!!!
    I've been trying to follow your posts concerning you taking your truck back to the dealer for some fix'em up.
    I'll be taking mine in Tuesday about some concerns/issues, like a rattle in the dash right in front of the driver, tire scrub during turns, and a few pops and klunks throughout truck.
    Could I ask you to in one massive post list what were your concerns/issues that you took to your dealer? I'm especially interested in you having your tranny reprogramed. I'm also wanting to hear about your rattle that you had in your dash that you fixed with paper towels. Where exactly was it and how you'd get to it (take dash off)?
    These posts go on forever and it's a bear trying to find that one particular post that you're looking for with the answer that you been hunting.
    I know it's asking a lot and probably take a lot of time but I would really appreciate it (might mention you in my Will).
    Thanks, Mitch
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Sorry ill try and answer your questions real quick. I have to go to work soon. If you need anything further answer email me at RYANB0928@aol.com ill be able to write you back tonight when i get home

    Dash rattle - first i used paper towel to see if it helped it did i removed and added foam. Forst that didnt work so i got thicker foam. It worked.

    Heres what i did. Popped out dash very easy to do. Above the oil pressure gauge is where my noise came from. I added a strip of tape backed foam (1/2"-3/4" thick) about 5-6 inches long above that area (black behind the instrument cluster) Closed the dash up and havent heard the noise in about 4 wks.

    Tranny - My truck seemed to hesitate (go on and on) between first and second. Dragged on didnt want to shift. I knew of a computer update. My truck was in for an engine noise which is not a problem just an echo thats another story. I also asked ( i knew of the updates) if i could get the update. They checked my software and found there was an update. They just downloaded it from the computer to my truck and thats it. The thing shifts smoother now. It also accelerates from 1st to second much better. Seems quicker. The overdrive also doesnt activate till between 50 and 60 mph instead of between 30 and 40.

    I know this was brief. If you need any more info please email me i will help to the best of my ability. Also if you want i could possibly (kinda hesitant) take a pic of the dash and exactly where to put the foam. Kinda scared to take dash apart again but if you need a better visual (rather than words i know thats hard to understand).

    Hope i helped slightly

    Ryan
  • xringxring Member Posts: 129
    Anyone know if the F250 Cast Aluminum wheels might fit a Chevy Y2K 2500? I know that this is probably not a good thing to ask in this topic, but I do like the looks of those wheels. :)

    Also, I ask one more time then leave it alone, has anyone had experience in removing the headliner in the Y2K 2500 LT? I still need to install that antenna.

    John
  • richardm6richardm6 Member Posts: 45
    John

    I'm pretty sure that the bolt pattern is different. The studs are further apart on the Ford I think. Some will correct me if I'm wrong.

    Hope this helps Richard Mc
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    the cover piece for the instrument cluster or to install a stereo head unit, go to the following link. You will need Acrobat Reader to view the file:

    http://www.installdr.com/InstallDocs/GM/PDF/460029.pdf

    Hope this helps anyone with "dash" rattles
  • mblrdsmblrds Member Posts: 41
    You got mail!!!
  • careyacecareyace Member Posts: 44
    Just thought I would post some pics of my truck as I enjoy seeing all yours.I hope more of you guys post pics of your trucks. Our camera is a ultra cheapo so I hope the clearity is ok.I also hope this link works so let me know if it don't.

    www.picturetrail.com/careyace

    Hope you all enjoy,Andrew
  • mblrdsmblrds Member Posts: 41
    Thanks for the link on how to remove dash. So, all you do is grab and yank and it's off. Where are the screws or the plastic tabs that you need a knife to depress? Oh well, I geuss some things are so simple that we get all confused.

    Ryan,
    On your email address, is that a alphabetical o or a numerical 0? Sent you mail and it came back.
    M.
  • al2al2 Member Posts: 73
    Your theory about the rear windows being forced open a bit by the pressure of the air conditioner with outside air setting seems to be too simple surely. Why would they design and install a new frame to cure this problem of wind noise if it were that simple?

    I have this great picture in my mind of GM technicians doing wind tunnel tests to determine air turbulence on the outside of the rear windows at speed. Surely a more positive catch would solve inside pressure.

    Does anyone see a difference with a 2001 latch? I thought someone mentioned the new one is metal, but the design of the latch seems to lack a positive snap to close tightly. This latch/window problem seems to be costing GM a few bucks because of initial cheap design--cheap as in crappy.

    Cheers, Al
  • brophbroph Member Posts: 85
    Thanks, I wasn't sure what to think about it. It only happened once.

    Thanks again

    Tom
  • brophbroph Member Posts: 85
    My wife was talking to someone she works with (somehow knows about GM trucks or worked for GM), said they changed somethings with the body. Now causes a vibration when traveling down the road. They changed the design or something between the bed & cab which causes this. I have a '99 with no problems (so far) except cosmetic. If I hear more I will post. Belive me I will pry.

    Tom
  • chadc777chadc777 Member Posts: 54
    I have a question for those that have had the tranny update that changes the overdrive shiftpoint from 30-40mph to 50+ mph. Once you exceed the new higher mph and it shifts into overdrive, when you slow down and maintain 40-50, does it downshift back into drive at this new higher mph than it used to or does it still stay in overdrive once you slow down to 40-50. How
    about when you accelerate (reasonabley, not hard)
    back up? Does it tend to downshift back into 3rd
    easier with the new flash, or about the same.

    Reason I ask is because my highway commute usually
    runs 65mph, but there are many places that I slow
    to 40-50 for a bit then back up to65 and was wondering it I would now be downshifting into 3rd rather than staying in overdrive.

    Basically, is the only thing that changed the mph for that first shift into overdrive? Downshifting or slowing down then accelerating are the same as before the flash?

    Does anyone know if the newer 2001 arrive with the updated shift point or do they still (for mileage
    reasons) shift early and are only flashed if they have the growl or the customer requests it?

    thanks
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Mitch thats a ZERO

    RYan
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    The complications we run into when we buy by price alone. Three window changes...three wind leaky windows. And it isn't because of the frame. What frame, there is no frame around the window. All the have to do is either put on metal latches or weld the windows shut. Dealer was telling me after the third exchange that he had been advised by GM to do the dollar test. Insert a dollar between the window and weatherstripping, close and latch the window. If the dollar bill stays in place, it is within tolerance. Well he did the test for me and the bill stayed there....that is, until I pushed the window open with the latch still in the closed position. He said he had to go back and ask GM about that one. Other than a cost and weight saving feature, I cannot understand using plastic hinges on a window. There was a couple of '01 rados on the lot. We got the keys walked over and did the push test. Every single one had the plastic hinges and could be, with very little force, pushed open 1/8" with the hinges in the locked position. I just can't get over this.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Ya gotta remember GM and plastic are synonymous. Just give it a little tug and it will pop right off. Be careful not to break any of the plastic clips. To replace just snap into place like a toy model....again being careful not to break the plastic clips.
  • rwagonerrwagoner Member Posts: 338
    I don't like the way they push open easily, but for the life of me I can't figure out why mine don't leak. Unless someone leans on them, they are tight as anything and very quiet.

    My '99 has had abslutely none of the problems that have been written about on this board. And I am picky.

    Richard
  • tex6tex6 Member Posts: 96
    Looks like you have rocker panels which look nice, especially on a black truck. Have you been satisfied with them? Did you install them?
  • careyacecareyace Member Posts: 44
    Yes I do have rocker panels and I installed them myself.They were very easy to put on,after I figured out witch piece goes where.They use the good 3M tape.I am very satisfied with them,I have had a lot of compliments on them.The kit cost $119.99 and tax. from a local truck place where I live.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Nice looking truck, perfect time to take pictures of it too as dark colored vehicles don't look as good when taking pictures during the day...
  • xringxring Member Posts: 129
    Nice truck and pics!

    John
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    i've had the same experience with my rear windows. had them open all day on friday and then shut them while travelling this weekend. was thinking i'd finally hear the wind noise that so many complain about. nothing. maybe i'm deaf??? no, that's not it... i don't get it...i'm picky as hell too, but my windows are fine. when the doors and windows are closed tightly, the cab of my truck is eerily silent unless i'm at WOT (duh!), or have the radio or air on above 3...

    bco
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    you mean you can't hear all the wind noise from the huge mirrors? I drove with the mirrors tucked in and with them out in the normal position. Big difference in wind resistance and noise.

    Rear quarter windows. Did you try and push outward on the window with the latch locked? Curious cause everyone I've seen, push on 'em and you can make an opening of at least 1/8" without even trying. Now if you were to really lean into it....
  • swolfe3swolfe3 Member Posts: 17
    Yes, I've got that noise as well. I thought it was detonation but have noticed that as I hit bumps going down the road it comes and goes. This leads me to beleive it is an exhaust leak but I'm not sure. I haven't had it into the shop to be looked at but intend to shortly as I've got some other minor problems as well.

    Scott
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I have had my rear windows open all summer. Now thats its cold they are shut more often and the cab is silent

    Ryan
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    the pass.side once....just to see it open....drivers has never been open...I could care less if they were just solid!

    ..... - Tim
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    welded, crazy glued, 3m taped shut forever. Cause the way it is...I may put some 1/4" drywall and mud that pos in.

    Dean
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    i've always wondered about windows like those. they offer negligible ventilation at best anyways. oby...only wind noise i hear is if it's windy outside and the whole truck is being buffeted by a cross-wind. well, that and the little flapping sound from the windshield gasket that's so annoying i still haven't gotten off my duff to fix it... ;) of course, that's only over 70 mph too...

    bco
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I got my winter edition magazine have some cool stuff. I really like PIAA AIR DAM. $185 Large openings for fog lights looks alot better than the stock dam.

    Ryan
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Rear windows open in a breeze during a hot day can cool off the cab so its not swealtering when you get in.

    Dean - pull a dukes and weld em shut.

    Ryan
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