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As them eyes can tell, that tundra with that tacoma drivetrain aint no HD, it aint even "full size" now! Good luck on this one now!
Silverado...yes...but don't hate me because I'm beautiful!
When I post about the Tundra vs. the Big3, I assume that we are talking about 1/2 ton pickups. If I wanted a 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup - I would have bought a Ford.
I guess that the Chevy 1/2 ton is too wimpy to directly compare to the Tundra. Maybe if they add a few more braces to the Chevy next year? Maybe they could tighten up those main bearing clearances again. Maybe they could get it to run on regular gas. Maybe they could give it decent brakes. Maybe?
Now the Chevy pack wants to compare the Tundra to the duramax diesel? While I think that Chevy is taking a step in the right direction by giving up designing their own engines and transmissions, the Isuzu engine is STILL being mounted in a first year Chevy - a horrible waste of a good engine and transmission. Maybe in 3 or 4 years they might have all the major bugs worked out.
4 inches less ground clearance? How the hell is Libby going to use that in the fields? It will get hung up on the first furrow she tries to plow. She better get a real heavy duty truck - the Tundra.
So your latest argument is a that bloated, fat gut is healthy and a lean midsection constitutes an undernourished toothpick? I'd better see the doctor to get some fat injections! Maybe they could transfer it from the interior skull of a GM fan!
bama, i believe you initiated the comparison to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks when you stated that tundras are "heavy duty". brought that on yourself now.
now, instead of having libby "trained" it's now her "apologists" that rise to the bait, eh? hey...when you make up your mind, let us know, ok? LOL! go back and read your last few "disjointed" posts...they're not disjointed, they're just plain stupid.
the tundrats must be on a high right now thinking that you have people comparing your undersized gnome-savers to real trucks. even got a tacoma-owner in here fighting for you.
and rwell, fyi...that's dirt on the drive shaft and springs of that truck...not rust.
bco
Sales volume from AutoSite:
Model YTD Sales
----- ---------
Ford Trucks 748,025
Chevy/GMC 699,901
Dodge Ram 324,860
.
{several compact trucks}
.
Tundra 85,349
Sorry but in a couple of years the Tundra's going the way of the T100.
Silverado(in) Tundra(in)
Length 227.6 217.5
Width 78.5 75.2
Wheelbase 143.5 128.3
Height 73.9 71.5
Gnd Clear 8.7 11.4 Toy's jacked up more but still not as tall
Box Length 78.7 76.5
Box Height 19.5 16.7
Wheelbase 131
Length 215.1
Width 71.6
Height 68.8
I think its plain to see that the Tundra's real competition is the Dakota making it "Midsize" not "Fullsize".
1. as for your sales figures, tundra fans will prefer to have sales figures reported as a percentage of those produced. for example, 'x'% of tundras produced last year were sold, vs. 'y'% of (insert gm, ford, or dodge here). this allows them to "level the playing field" and make it look more like tundra really is starting to "take over" the full-size truck market.
2. reference the size issues you mentioned. bigger is not better (at least according to these guys). what is better is less horse-power, torque, cargo capacity, towing ability, gas mileage, etc. bama will be producing the same old jd powers, consumer reports, and motor trend drivel again. you see, some folks are willing to buy off on the idea that a truck that has existed for less than one year will outlast and outperform anything else on the road. fascinating isn't it?
3. oh, and expect to be "cyber-handed" a set of pom-poms and labeled a "libby apologist". that kinda goes with the territory also.
other than that, welcome and enjoy the fun!
bco
SILV facts hurt. They will deny deny deny but all us rational people know what the facts are and we live in reality.
Ryan
naahhhh
- Tim
Ford F Series sales year to date (Oct) up 2.8%
Chevy Silv & CK " " up 3.3%
Dodge Ram " " down 11%
Tundra " " up 291%
or
October of 2000 vs. October of 1999
Ford F Series down 11%
Chevy Silv & CK down 15%
Dodge Ram down 12%
Tundra up 19%
Toyota makes no claim about wanting to dominate full size truck sales. They see it as a very lucrative market in the US and want a piece of it.
LMFAO!!!
...hey...we sold 3 instead of 1!...we are up 200%
WOW!
Get real...it's the last on the list....and it's only going down from there....
- Tim
Here is a real truck!!!!!!!1
bco
bco
That's rust on the universal, for sure. The springs have rust too. But if it makes you feel better to call it rust colored dirt.....;)
I have two things to say to you:
#1 Your'e right, the Tundra is not a heavy duty pick-up and whoever started comparing it to the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks is living in a dream world.
#2 I don't know how old you are, but if you were born between 1945 & 1964 that automatically puts you in the Babyboomer/Yuppie demographic catagory.
Sputnik was being manufactured when I was born.
You wouldn't seriously get another truck with drum brakes?
BTW, Jray18, the reasons for choosing the Ranger over Tacoma are the same given by the Tindra owners,....because Consumer Reports says so.
Good luck on this one now!
1) When you get to a topic by Justtheone, skip it until you get to somebody that lives in the 90's.
Tundra: 1 plant, in Indiana, production capacity of 100,000.
Big 3's: more than 1 plant, mostly in Canada or Mexico, production capacity of ?.
Why does the Tundra not compare to the Big 3 in sales? They can only make 100,000 Tundras a year. The Big 3 can make as many as they need to. Big 3 has more dealers. Why isn't Dodge comparing to Chevy or Ford in truck sales? Also, the Tundra is one model-half ton. In Ford's sales you add in all the Superduties, and now the Supercrew, those add up quick. Dodge and Chevy also have HD's added to their sales figures.
I know the response already: "Well then Toyota should make some 3/4 and 1 tons then." Well now you know why the Big 3, or 2, sell all those trucks.
compares to the full-size ones nicely in any
performance test.<<<
Translation----> (makes a good grocery getter!)
Sales are running 300%, but are UP 200% since we already had the first 100%.
Good ole indiana. Fort Wayne to be exact. Home state and all.
Someone said we are comparing trucks right 1500's? Well no chevy 1500 is built outside the us or canada. 3 plants 1 in indiana 1 in michigan and 1 in canada.
Ryan