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In India, - the Hyundai Sonata goes neck& neck with a Mecredes Benz.
In what way? Appeal? Sales numbers? Price?
- Bajaj Scooters outsell Vespa Scooters, even though Bajaj scooters started manufacturing based upon a Vespa Scooter.
Totally irrelevant here. Bajaj started cloning Vespa in the 50's. And they quickly built a reputation for ruggedness and bullet-proof reliability - more so than the Italian Vespa ever possessed.
Didn't want to drive one said they already had. Ok
Wanted one of our ex-service loaners since they were cheaper. I personaly would want to drive a car that had 5,000 miles on it to make sure it was ok but that is just me.
I told them the price of the LR3 was 38,000 dollars which is a good bit below invoice but since I have no idea what invoice actually is on that car I am not sure how much.
They weren't really happy with that and all they would talk about was the LR3 they saw for sale online in like Tennesse that was listed for 33,000.
By the way they had no idea what... 1. Its mileage was. 2. The equpiment level. 3. If it was even at a Land Rover dealer
I gave them lease numbers based on the 38,000 and they seemed pleasently surprised but still wanted to know if I would sell them the LR3 for 33,000.
I am just sharing what I go through on a daily basis the obstacles I endure.....
I have had some very happy near sticker clients recently, but they were order cars so I do not think that counts.
I did have a cranky coot on Saturday who wanted to talk to a Man because he did not like the fact that even though he had owned 5 Audis he had to pay the required down on the the advertised lease special on the A4. And I guess because I was saying it I was wrong.
BTW the consumer report numbers I was pulling from a 2006 consumer report guide.
What happend at it happend on dry land also is I would drive down the street and everything would lock. So I am sure water did not help but I was driving across a street that gets flooded and it did it and my car floated about 20 feet into a tree.
Well, I hope you are right about Audi making some much needed improvements since they are probably at the top of the list of cars I avoid like the plague.
Hopefully they have corrected their frequent and VERY expensive electrical problems among other things. I guess time will tell since I tend to judge cars after they have 100,00 miles on them.
a lot of consumers place a very high value on the averages that CR, JDP, and SV publish.
I agree....the problem stems from the fact that many consumer don't have any idea what the information means and how to translate it into something helpful. I think the saying "a little bit of knowledge is dangerous" applies.
A great example is the initial ownership survey...alot of folks jump all over this one but its the one that probably means the least....OTOH not enough people look at the long term ownership survey.
The ride in the LR3 is a little more plush but not a ton.
Reasons why this is so...
1. Slightly longer wheel base on the LR3 2. The sports suspension is tuned a little firmer 3. Still using the same platform though just with the LR3's a little longer and heavier.
The tires make a bit of a differance too. If you get a SE with the 18 inch wheels it will ride a little smoother over severe washboard type roads then the HSE with the 19 inch wheels.
Most people cannot tell the differance but it is there.
Best thing to do is test drive them both back to back and see how you feel. I will say that I get almost no cross shopping between the LR3 and the sport. Most of the cross shopping is between the sport and the big range or the LR3 and other luxury SUVs.
but a friend just bought an Odyssey this past Tuesday.
I don't think I followed all the details, but they started with the local dealers, and ended up talking (internet first, then phone) to someone at the airport automall (a place I personally avoid), at the Honda dealer owned (or named for) a former Met/Dodger catcher.
Anyway, they get a very good deal in place, and go down to get the car (a dark blue Ody, which is pretty rare). Can't find it on the lot, turns out it was "in the shop" because it failed their PDI inspection.
So, the offer to get the same config from their other store (probably 30 minutes away) the next morning. Well, after a number of calls (and non-returns as promised) they keep changing the story, now it will be delivered "Wednesday".
ANd, the deal included incentives that expired 5/31, so the deal was written as good for May only.
Needless to say, my friend was getting quite pertrubed by this place, after getting a run around for 2 days. By luck, the sales person at the local place followed up at the right time, offered to knock a couple hundred off, and they drove up right away, and the car was being washed as they arrived. A few papers later, and they had what they wanted.
So, no idea if the automall place really had the car, was trying to dealer trade, was trying to repair the damaged unit, or was hoping they would cave and take something they really did have in stock. But, in the long run, they got it where they probably should have been all along, and where they likely would have gone for service anyhow.
Just kidding. I assume it's Mike Piazza. Didn't know he had a car dealership. How do those deals typically work? Famous guy puts his name on the door and gets 5% for doing nothing? Or are they sometimes actual owners?
From all the Edmunds Forums I read this is my favorite. I never sold cars but I have been a Honda/Acura tech for 21 years and met many wonderful sales associates at work. In my opinion the most successful salesmen were the truly friendly, outgoing, (I don't mean pushy ) types. They were the kind of men you would always happy to see and spend times with because they were usually funny and always had something interesting to say. Sadly, they are a vanishing breed. In our area, central Orange County in Southern California, Anaheim/Disneyland neighborhood, the salesmen I see now are usually from a third-world country. They speak poor English and they know very little about the make they sell or about cars in general. I'm a foreigner myself so I don't feel comfortable going to the management and complain, but I do miss the well-informed and interesting salesmen of the past. Once I met a Peruvian at a Toyota dealer in Buena Park who never heard of XM (satellite radio.) If you have any comments regarding this, I'd like to hear it.
In my opinion the most successful salesmen were the truly friendly, outgoing, (I don't mean pushy ) types. They were the kind of men you would always happy to see and spend times with because they were usually funny and always had something interesting to say.
I agree with you, but I think that it's also the case that that type of person wil be successful in most walks of life. The exception being where technical knowledge and skills, rather than interpersonal skills, are required for success. I'm thinking of maybe surgeons, scientists et al. Of course, having a great personality doesn't hurt in those professions either.
I am a native born American whose ancestors came here in 1630.
Personally, I like seeing all of the foreign born sales people here in Northern Virginia. The guy who sold us our Acura was from Pakistan and the one who sold us our 1999 Accord was from Nigeria. They seem very happy to be in our country.
Of course, I don't ask the sales perso many questions, so I don't care how much they know about the cars they are selling. The only questions I can recall asking in the last 10 years was how the moon roof can be closed manually and what makes the alarm go off.
Yeah but bob I think we have more then established that you are not the typical car buyer.
Re Range Rover owners not being that smart.
According to Rovers demographics well over 50% of Range Rover owners are either business owners, CEO/CFOs or in some high up leadership position in a company.
I am not saying that business owners or CEOs are always smarter then regular people, in my experience they are sometimes not, but in order to get to that position you need to have some wits about you.
I am not saying that business owners or CEOs are always smarter then regular people, in my experience they are sometimes not, but in order to get to that position you need to have some wits about you.
Two words "Peter Principal"
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You made some excellent points about a page ago about different people having different experiences with different cars. I believe it can be summed up as YMMV
It is also a good point about people "getting" German cars. Every year I go to the NY Auto Show. BMW being one of my favorite makes I spend more time at the BMW display than most others. It is extremely crowded and I usually have to wait to sit in a particular car. They always have a kiosk by the car listing the base MSRP as well as the prices of most major options. I can't tell you how many times I've heard: Guy #1 "$29,XXX for this 325i, not bad." Guy #2 "Yeah, that's if you want one with nothing in it. They actually make you pay for an automatic transmission? Leather is extra? All Wheel Drive? Who is going to buy a Rear Wheel Drive vehicle? And the 325i is slow. You'll need the 330i. Gimme a break!"
I usually shake my head in disgust.
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Someone said "People don't forget. But I am sure the average Ford Buyer does not question the fact that Crown Vics have a habit of blowing up when rear ended, they still are buying them up."
Oh, come on now. The jerk-knee anti-automobile liberals made a big deal about a few police cars that caught on fire, killed some policemen, etc.
In all the cases the I've ever read about, it was a cruiser stopped, with its emergency lights on, being rear-ended by some drunk. In many cases at speeds up to 70mph.
What's going to stand up to an impact like that? In the cases where someone was killed, the officer was probably dead from the collision before any fire and/or explosion ever got to him.
The Army Abrahams tanks will burn when a 150mm artillary shell is touched off beside it as an IUD.
Next we can talk about the old Chevy Suburbans that 60 Minutes couldn't get to burn after a staaged side collision even when they triggered a model rocket motor on the fuel filler hose. But the end result of the yapping about this vehicle generated $1,000 vouchers to all previous owners of Suburbans.
I feel much safer in my car after our government's actions relating to Crown Vics and Suburbans.
earlier in the week service got a Range Rover in that had gone to some type of quick lube place to have an oil change.
That was mistake number one the majority of those places do not have a clue how to work on that motor. I know the shop I ran got about 50% of its revenue from oil changes. Before anyone could work on any cars that I knew were problem vehicles they had to get the ok from me.
Just about all european cars are problem vehicles and it is not that they are designed badly they are just designed differently and many people don't get how to work on them. They are also very expensive to fix if you do something stupid and break one.
Ok so this Range Rover has an oil change done at the quick lube and within just a few minutes starts having problems. Engine clacking, smoking and barely running.
The truck gets flatbedded to us. Those Range Rovers use the same cannister style oil filter that most BMWs use since it is a BMW motor. Well they did not replace the o-rings on the cannister filter when they changed the filter. They also did not swab out the inside of the cannister where deposits like to form.
Basicly the engine was not getting any oil and I guess no one bothered to check the oil pressure light.
Mistake number two is always have someone check the oil pressure light/gauge when starting a car after an oil change. Really you should have two people doing this. One person watches the light the other person watches the oil filter to check for leaks.
Well to cut to the chase the Range Rover almost certainly needs a new engine. If a complete tear down was done they might find something tha can be reparied but they might not. If not then you paid for a complete tear down and you still need a new engine.
So guess how much the new engine costs. Keep in mind this is just the engine not the labor and no one at our shop has ever had to replace the BMW engine in a Mark III Range Rover. Say what you will about the relability of the Range Rovers but their engines are rock solid.
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Yes, Elway owned the dealerships here in the metro Denver area with a silent partner before he sold out to AutoNation.
IIRC, the sales price for all the dealerships was something like $80 million, plus he stayed on as a spokesperson. Does he do that for all the AutoNation dealerships around the country? I know in Denver they have retained the John Elway name, and in Las Vegas he advertises for the Power dealerships.
A friend of my dad's owns a BMW dealership in SoCal (hint: it was mentioned in a C&D article about Katrina-damaged cars). I think a partner in it is Dick Butkus, the famous former Bears player.
and i also cannot wait for the world cup! i played soccer for 18 years and loved every minute of it! world cup is a fantastic sporting event (got to see a game when it was here in '94 - very fun!)
I didn't know LR used BMW engines. I know for YEARS, they used the old aluminum Buick Special engines that Buick used from 1961-1963. I never could figure out his that 215 cubic inch engine could move a huge Land Rover.
As for world cup. My sister played for years and years but I never really got into it. When we went to the olympics in 1996 we saw a couple of soccer matches and that was pretty cool.
What's going to stand up to an impact like that? In the cases where someone was killed, the officer was probably dead from the collision before any fire and/or explosion ever got to him.
The NHTSA investigators concluded that the death rate in police vehicles for the Crown Vic were very similar to the Chevy Caprice that they replaced.
LR used a heavily modified version of the 4.4 liter V8 from the 7 series and X5 only in the Range Rover and only from 2003-2005 MY.
The trick with the old Fireball V8 was that even though they did not make a lot of HP they made a ton of torque which is what you really need for a heavy vehicle like the Rovers.
For example in 2002 the last year the Range Rover used the Fireball V8 it made 222 hp and 300 lb. ft. of torque. Combine that relatively high torque with a high range gear ratio of 1.29 or so to 1 and fairly low final drives and you get good acceleration.
Those low final drives also help off road for crawling at low speed and they just stick a steep overdrive in to help out highway cruising.
Also remember that although the Land Rovers look huge all of the body pannels, the entire engine and the cases for the transmission and transfer case are aluminium so they don't weigh nearly as much as you would think.
Funny, my parents bought a 1962 Buick Special with that 215 aluminum engine. Later, they gave the car to me.
Everyone kept telling me what a junky engine that was including my old time trusted mechanic. Despite the hard life I gave that little Buick, I never had any trouble with it. Buick dropped that engine after three years and went back to a cast iron engine. Even the guys at the Buick dealerships had no use for them.
That little Buick was able to beat a lot of cars that it shouldn't have!
Then Buick sold them to British Leyland and they showed up in some of the Triumphs. Later, I was shocked to see those 30 year old engines in Land Rovers!
Yeah those engines were good engines and Rover improved them a lot with distrbutorless ignition and the introduction of fuel injection. The first fuel injection was very iffy since it was Lucas(shal evil electrical gremlins ever be associated with his name) but the later Bosch system was much improved.
The only real chatch with those all aluminium engines was that you could never let it get anywhere near overheating. It didn't take much extra heat to damage the head gaskets which good be fixed but was expensive. Just a little more heat would warp a head which normally required replacment and a little more heat past that would cook the engine.
They made a lot of cooling system improvments over the years.
Although british_rover answered the the questions, don't forget that BMW owned Land Rover for a few years. When they sold it to Ford, the new Range Rover had just been introduced. It didn't make sense for Ford to re-engineer a new vehicle that soon.
Exactly right Ford waited untill the contract with BMW to supply the engines expired then introduced the modified AJV8 Jaguar motor into the Range Rover line during the 2006 MY.
Basicly the same engine as the LR3 used in 2005 MY but with 5 more horsepower.
I am a little passionate about it because a few of the cops that were killed were Dallas PD. I have a friend that is a cop in Oak Cliff (the hood of dallas) and he said that it is one more thing to worry about and he thinks it sucks how Ford took care of it. Basically they reinforced the fuel tanks, and it still happend and I think they tried to foot Dallas with the Bill to do it. Now they are 75% Chevy Impalas now. I think that Police cars should be built or retrofitted to be able to withstand incidents that are above and beyond normal. Because they deal with the beyond everyday. My other friend works for Department of Homeland Security and REFUSES to patrol in a Crown Vic.
18,000 dollars plus labor. The book says the labor time is about 12 hours at 100 dollars and hour cause this is a high skill job so about an even 20,000 dollars to have the engine replaced in a 2003 Range Rover.
I really really hope that shop had garage insurance.
Hey that is only about 23% of the original purchase price.
It is also one of the reasons they do not use the BMW motor anymore. The jaguar motor is better then the BMW motor in almost ever respect but is only about 10,000 dollars.
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- the Hyundai Sonata goes neck& neck with a Mecredes Benz.
In what way?
Appeal?
Sales numbers?
Price?
- Bajaj Scooters outsell Vespa Scooters, even though Bajaj scooters started manufacturing based upon a Vespa Scooter.
Totally irrelevant here. Bajaj started cloning Vespa in the 50's. And they quickly built a reputation for ruggedness and bullet-proof reliability - more so than the Italian Vespa ever possessed.
I'm from India as well.
Didn't want to drive one said they already had. Ok
Wanted one of our ex-service loaners since they were cheaper. I personaly would want to drive a car that had 5,000 miles on it to make sure it was ok but that is just me.
I told them the price of the LR3 was 38,000 dollars which is a good bit below invoice but since I have no idea what invoice actually is on that car I am not sure how much.
They weren't really happy with that and all they would talk about was the LR3 they saw for sale online in like Tennesse that was listed for 33,000.
By the way they had no idea what...
1. Its mileage was.
2. The equpiment level.
3. If it was even at a Land Rover dealer
I gave them lease numbers based on the 38,000 and they seemed pleasently surprised but still wanted to know if I would sell them the LR3 for 33,000.
:sick:
I have had some very happy near sticker clients recently, but they were order cars so I do not think that counts.
I did have a cranky coot on Saturday who wanted to talk to a Man because he did not like the fact that even though he had owned 5 Audis he had to pay the required down on the the advertised lease special on the A4. And I guess because I was saying it I was wrong.
BTW the consumer report numbers I was pulling from a 2006 consumer report guide.
What happend at it happend on dry land also is I would drive down the street and everything would lock. So I am sure water did not help but I was driving across a street that gets flooded and it did it and my car floated about 20 feet into a tree.
Hopefully they have corrected their frequent and VERY expensive electrical problems among other things. I guess time will tell since I tend to judge cars after they have 100,00 miles on them.
I agree....the problem stems from the fact that many consumer don't have any idea what the information means and how to translate it into something helpful. I think the saying "a little bit of knowledge is dangerous" applies.
A great example is the initial ownership survey...alot of folks jump all over this one but its the one that probably means the least....OTOH not enough people look at the long term ownership survey.
The ride in the LR3 is a little more plush but not a ton.
Reasons why this is so...
1. Slightly longer wheel base on the LR3
2. The sports suspension is tuned a little firmer
3. Still using the same platform though just with the LR3's a little longer and heavier.
The tires make a bit of a differance too. If you get a SE with the 18 inch wheels it will ride a little smoother over severe washboard type roads then the HSE with the 19 inch wheels.
Most people cannot tell the differance but it is there.
Best thing to do is test drive them both back to back and see how you feel. I will say that I get almost no cross shopping between the LR3 and the sport. Most of the cross shopping is between the sport and the big range or the LR3 and other luxury SUVs.
I don't think I followed all the details, but they started with the local dealers, and ended up talking (internet first, then phone) to someone at the airport automall (a place I personally avoid), at the Honda dealer owned (or named for) a former Met/Dodger catcher.
Anyway, they get a very good deal in place, and go down to get the car (a dark blue Ody, which is pretty rare). Can't find it on the lot, turns out it was "in the shop" because it failed their PDI inspection.
So, the offer to get the same config from their other store (probably 30 minutes away) the next morning. Well, after a number of calls (and non-returns as promised) they keep changing the story, now it will be delivered "Wednesday".
ANd, the deal included incentives that expired 5/31, so the deal was written as good for May only.
Needless to say, my friend was getting quite pertrubed by this place, after getting a run around for 2 days. By luck, the sales person at the local place followed up at the right time, offered to knock a couple hundred off, and they drove up right away, and the car was being washed as they arrived. A few papers later, and they had what they wanted.
So, no idea if the automall place really had the car, was trying to dealer trade, was trying to repair the damaged unit, or was hoping they would cave and take something they really did have in stock. But, in the long run, they got it where they probably should have been all along, and where they likely would have gone for service anyhow.
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Gary Carter?
Just kidding. I assume it's Mike Piazza. Didn't know he had a car dealership. How do those deals typically work? Famous guy puts his name on the door and gets 5% for doing nothing? Or are they sometimes actual owners?
I think Elway used to actually own the place, but I could be wrong on that.
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I agree with you, but I think that it's also the case that that type of person wil be successful in most walks of life. The exception being where technical knowledge and skills, rather than interpersonal skills, are required for success. I'm thinking of maybe surgeons, scientists et al. Of course, having a great personality doesn't hurt in those professions either.
Personally, I like seeing all of the foreign born sales people here in Northern Virginia. The guy who sold us our Acura was from Pakistan and the one who sold us our 1999 Accord was from Nigeria. They seem very happy to be in our country.
Of course, I don't ask the sales perso many questions, so I don't care how much they know about the cars they are selling. The only questions I can recall asking in the last 10 years was how the moon roof can be closed manually and what makes the alarm go off.
Re Range Rover owners not being that smart.
According to Rovers demographics well over 50% of Range Rover owners are either business owners, CEO/CFOs or in some high up leadership position in a company.
I am not saying that business owners or CEOs are always smarter then regular people, in my experience they are sometimes not, but in order to get to that position you need to have some wits about you.
Either that or your daddy/Grandaddy did.
Two words "Peter Principal"
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It is also a good point about people "getting" German cars. Every year I go to the NY Auto Show. BMW being one of my favorite makes I spend more time at the BMW display than most others. It is extremely crowded and I usually have to wait to sit in a particular car. They always have a kiosk by the car listing the base MSRP as well as the prices of most major options. I can't tell you how many times I've heard:
Guy #1 "$29,XXX for this 325i, not bad."
Guy #2 "Yeah, that's if you want one with nothing in it. They actually make you pay for an automatic transmission? Leather is extra? All Wheel Drive? Who is going to buy a Rear Wheel Drive vehicle? And the 325i is slow. You'll need the 330i. Gimme a break!"
I usually shake my head in disgust.
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Oh, come on now. The jerk-knee anti-automobile liberals made a big deal about a few police cars that caught on fire, killed some policemen, etc.
In all the cases the I've ever read about, it was a cruiser stopped, with its emergency lights on, being rear-ended by some drunk. In many cases at speeds up to 70mph.
What's going to stand up to an impact like that? In the cases where someone was killed, the officer was probably dead from the collision before any fire and/or explosion ever got to him.
The Army Abrahams tanks will burn when a 150mm artillary shell is touched off beside it as an IUD.
Next we can talk about the old Chevy Suburbans that 60 Minutes couldn't get to burn after a staaged side collision even when they triggered a model rocket motor on the fuel filler hose. But the end result of the yapping about this vehicle generated $1,000 vouchers to all previous owners of Suburbans.
I feel much safer in my car after our government's actions relating to Crown Vics and Suburbans.
(while we're at it)
One week 'til the World Cup.
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I guess it would be slow, if you saddled it down with AWD and an automatic...
That was mistake number one the majority of those places do not have a clue how to work on that motor. I know the shop I ran got about 50% of its revenue from oil changes. Before anyone could work on any cars that I knew were problem vehicles they had to get the ok from me.
Just about all european cars are problem vehicles and it is not that they are designed badly they are just designed differently and many people don't get how to work on them. They are also very expensive to fix if you do something stupid and break one.
Ok so this Range Rover has an oil change done at the quick lube and within just a few minutes starts having problems. Engine clacking, smoking and barely running.
The truck gets flatbedded to us. Those Range Rovers use the same cannister style oil filter that most BMWs use since it is a BMW motor. Well they did not replace the o-rings on the cannister filter when they changed the filter. They also did not swab out the inside of the cannister where deposits like to form.
Basicly the engine was not getting any oil and I guess no one bothered to check the oil pressure light.
Mistake number two is always have someone check the oil pressure light/gauge when starting a car after an oil change. Really you should have two people doing this. One person watches the light the other person watches the oil filter to check for leaks.
Well to cut to the chase the Range Rover almost certainly needs a new engine. If a complete tear down was done they might find something tha can be reparied but they might not. If not then you paid for a complete tear down and you still need a new engine.
So guess how much the new engine costs. Keep in mind this is just the engine not the labor and no one at our shop has ever had to replace the BMW engine in a Mark III Range Rover. Say what you will about the relability of the Range Rovers but their engines are rock solid.
I will make it multiple choice.
A: 8,000 dollars
B: 12,000 dollars
C: 14,000 dollars
E: 20,000 dollars
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IIRC, the sales price for all the dealerships was something like $80 million, plus he stayed on as a spokesperson. Does he do that for all the AutoNation dealerships around the country? I know in Denver they have retained the John Elway name, and in Las Vegas he advertises for the Power dealerships.
A friend of my dad's owns a BMW dealership in SoCal (hint: it was mentioned in a C&D article about Katrina-damaged cars). I think a partner in it is Dick Butkus, the famous former Bears player.
and i also cannot wait for the world cup! i played soccer for 18 years and loved every minute of it! world cup is a fantastic sporting event (got to see a game when it was here in '94 - very fun!)
Yes, things have certainly changed.
You probably wouldn't believe the turnover of salespeople. I think some stores will hire anyone who walks in the door.
As for world cup. My sister played for years and years but I never really got into it. When we went to the olympics in 1996 we saw a couple of soccer matches and that was pretty cool.
Psst, hey you, I got some friends that can get you one for half price.
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The NHTSA investigators concluded that the death rate in police vehicles for the Crown Vic were very similar to the Chevy Caprice that they replaced.
You didn't say what year it is.
My guess is, its not worth the money, whatever the answer is. But that's probably just my opinion.
Frankly, if its old enough, for that kind of money, I'd get a custom hotrod engine and shoehorn it in there.
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The trick with the old Fireball V8 was that even though they did not make a lot of HP they made a ton of torque which is what you really need for a heavy vehicle like the Rovers.
For example in 2002 the last year the Range Rover used the Fireball V8 it made 222 hp and 300 lb. ft. of torque. Combine that relatively high torque with a high range gear ratio of 1.29 or so to 1 and fairly low final drives and you get good acceleration.
Those low final drives also help off road for crawling at low speed and they just stick a steep overdrive in to help out highway cruising.
Also remember that although the Land Rovers look huge all of the body pannels, the entire engine and the cases for the transmission and transfer case are aluminium so they don't weigh nearly as much as you would think.
It is a 2003 Range Rover but at least from an engine standpoint all 2003-2005 Range Rovers are identical.
Everyone kept telling me what a junky engine that was including my old time trusted mechanic. Despite the hard life I gave that little Buick, I never had any trouble with it. Buick dropped that engine after three years and went back to a cast iron engine. Even the guys at the Buick dealerships had no use for them.
That little Buick was able to beat a lot of cars that it shouldn't have!
Then Buick sold them to British Leyland and they showed up in some of the Triumphs. Later, I was shocked to see those 30 year old engines in Land Rovers!
The only real chatch with those all aluminium engines was that you could never let it get anywhere near overheating. It didn't take much extra heat to damage the head gaskets which good be fixed but was expensive. Just a little more heat would warp a head which normally required replacment and a little more heat past that would cook the engine.
They made a lot of cooling system improvments over the years.
Although british_rover answered the the questions, don't forget that BMW owned Land Rover for a few years. When they sold it to Ford, the new Range Rover had just been introduced. It didn't make sense for Ford to re-engineer a new vehicle that soon.
The RX-7 rotary engines are the same in this regard. Even more so!
Basicly the same engine as the LR3 used in 2005 MY but with 5 more horsepower.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I just fell out of my chair....I needed a good laugh today.
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18,000 dollars plus labor. The book says the labor time is about 12 hours at 100 dollars and hour cause this is a high skill job so about an even 20,000 dollars to have the engine replaced in a 2003 Range Rover.
I really really hope that shop had garage insurance.
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2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
It is also one of the reasons they do not use the BMW motor anymore. The jaguar motor is better then the BMW motor in almost ever respect but is only about 10,000 dollars.