Stories from the Sales Frontlines

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,236
    These cable boxes can do wacky things

    Yes, that is so true. That is why I wanted him to check a DVD too. Unfortunately, I think Richard may be having a TV sales story soon.

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    install finished right on time at noon today. Totally blown away by how good it looks. Honestly looks like a different house (the nice new paint job in the living room, replacing the dirty green doesn't hurt either!). And I am sure that I added more equity than what I paid for the job.

    Biggest problem is that it makes the kitchen look even more dingy and outdated than it already did!


    This is good to hear. The wife has been talking about putting in hardwoods for all of downstairs - living room, half bath, kitchen and family room. Probably 800 SF total.

    We don't have a clue as to what we want, however - light, dark, natural, engineered. We're on a slab (no basement), so we'd probably have to put some sort of pad or water barrier down.

    And, like you, once this was done, it wouldn't be long before the kitchen got made over as well - even though the house is only 11 years old and we bought it new.

    Any chance you have before and after pics to share?

    Richard, i second the advice about putting the bum TV into another room and see if the problem still exists. In addition, take a TV that does work and put it into the family room and see if there is a problem. That way, you'll know if it is a problem with the set or with the equipment in the family room (cable box, wiring, other video sources).

    Best of luck.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,808
    did not take pictures, but now it looks like a model home!

    if you have to replace floors anyway, might as well bite the bullet and do the wood.

    If you are on a slab, I believe you will want to (or need to) use engineered wood of some kind. There are a bunch of different styles, and different installation methods (in your case, glued or snap together (quick lock).

    my recommendation is to ask around, and find a place that others used and had a good experience with (that is what we did). If you know a real estate agent, they can be a good source for referrals. Wood is wood for the most part, but the job flies or crashes based on the installers (ours were very good).

    I plan to stay away from real wood in the kitchen though. They do, however, make tile now that looks like wood (along with wood that looks like tile!).

    depending on your floorplan, I like the look of tile foyer leading into/through the kitchen, with the other rooms done in wood.

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    if you have to replace floors anyway, might as well bite the bullet and do the wood.

    Great advice all around, stick.

    At the moment, we have Perga (engineered laminate) in the entry and half bath, peel 'n' stick tile squares in the kitchen, and carpet in the living and family rooms.

    The carpet and tile are both fairly new, but have worn prematurely, hence the desire (not need) to replace with wood (real or faux).

    Plus, we've got a male dog who feels a need to 'mark' and a hard surface makes it easier to identify and clean.

    Gotta get the money socked away first ... perhaps by the end of the year.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,636
    edited May 2011
    Well, as an old professor once told me: "Yes, I do have a lot of college degrees but I'm not stupid".

    I just read an interesting article about how if you need a creative entrepeneur type person for your business...do not hire a person with a Masters Degree in Business. They are people who go to school to get a piece of paper to impress others (here is what he actually says - An MBA is the educational equivalent of wearing cufflinks – something you show people so they take you seriously. Yes, there are people who take an MBA to learn, but many more have made a conscious decision to waste two years of their lives in a classroom so that others will be impressed, instead of actually doing something impressive). They can do detail work and will crunch numbers to try to make the business better. They are not creative and they are not entrepeneurial minded so they won't get the big picture and grow the business in new and different ways.

    I am not saying there is anything wrong with papers and degrees....I have a teaching certificate, but it isn't necessarily a necessity, some people can manage quite well without one.

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    BTW, when I unplugged the TV I was careful not to yank on the cord. Help!

    Too bad. That was my recommendation. It got your computer working like new!

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,404
    "...It seems everyone today has advanced degrees..."

    I would gladly trade my masters degree for an associates in auto repair or body work. I never really got much use out of the masters but every day I wish I could do more of my own repairs.

    It wasn't until much later in life that I realized that I was more of a hands on guy than a thinker.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,404
    "...none of these prevented me from tearing up a perfectly good computer..."

    Don't feel bad, I recently destroyed my son's engine by changing his oil. I did the old "double gasket" mistake. My first time in 40 years but turned out to be a very expensive lesson.

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  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    In addition, take a TV that does work and put it into the family room

    You people are nuts!! First you want Richard to move one TV and now you are suggesting that he moves TWO of them????!!!

    Do you realize that those TV's have cables and power cords that will need to be unplugged?

    Moving the first one, I can understand because it sounds dead anyway. :sick:
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,636
    First you want Richard to move one TV and now you are suggesting that he moves TWO of them?

    I was wondering about that too....but since I don't know much about electronics I didn't want to say anything.

    But, yeh, can we expect Richard to take out all the wires attached to todays TVs and then plug it in somewhere else and then bring another tv in and plug it all in.

    Just buy a new Samsung LCD 42 inch TV to fit in that spot and have the store set it up. It will cost about $600 and should last for 20 years...about $25 a year. The last one should have last more than 2 years, but they aren't worth fixing. It will cost about $80 for the call and $150 for parts if it can be fixed, which it probably can't. Get a 42 inch TV and you will love the larger size TV.

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  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    edited May 2011
    I love you and Driver for having the insight to know how I am. I was going to do what Michael said until i went into the den. I looked at the TV sitting in the bookcase and then looked at the slim shelf just beneath the TV shelf. The electrician had set up my DVD player, VCR machine, and TV wiring all on the little shelf. There are six sets of cords and two plugs. I thought, "What am I going to tell Michael? I can't unhook all of this and get it back in place." Jmonroe said that there might be some hope for me since I did unplug the TV and got it plugged back. That's the extent of my capability.

    Then something dawned on me. The TV in question is controlled by the same box as the TV in the master bedroom. Perhaps that TV has those ugly lines in it. Since we never turn the one on in the bedroom, i went to check. That TV works perfectly. Therefore, I deduced that the problem was not in the cable wiring, but actually in the TV. Am I right?

    Assuming that I made the correct assumption, I went on line in search of TV's. I read about plasma, LED, and LCD-HDTV. I don't think that I want plasma, and my space is limited to 42 inches. I always liked Panasonic TV's. What do you think of this choice: Panasonic Viera 42 inch LCD-HDTV with 1080p and 120 Hz? It's on sale at Best Buy for $1,079 ($200 off). I can get the same exact TV by LG at the same sales price. My electrician will hook it all up for $75.

    What would i do without you guys? Those degrees on my wall don't mean squat when it comes to this.

    Richard
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,808
    panasonic is a good brand. and 1080p and 120hz is pretty much "state of the art". so I am pretty sure you are going to be more than happy with the TV when you get it! Just make sure that the dimensions work before you buy it.

    the prices on TVs are all over the place, and figuring out why one costs more than another one does is almost a black art. But that seems like about market price for a nice unit with some upscale features.

    I know what you mean about wires. as part of the floor install, I had to dismantle and move out all of the TV/stereo components, and also all the computer components. that was a lot of wires! so far, got the computer all put back together, and part of the TV (we are looking to get a new stand and TV, and are experimenting with room layout, so won't put back the other stuff until that is all done).

    if you ever have to take it apart, draw a diagram or even take pictures. It also helps to label plugs and wires.

    or just do what I do and wing it, and hope in the end everything works and there isn't anything left over!

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,727
    HDTV TC-L42U30
    Panasonic VIERA 42" 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV TC-L42U30
    $719 with free 3-day UPS shipping to my Zip Code in Ohio.

    I shop pricing. I suspect this is the same TV you're look into buying. I have bought from this company before and they are very good to order from by internet. They've been around a long time.

    The price tells me BestBuy is overpriced.

    I'd wait for a sale or price shop HHGregg and other Box stores and watch for sales for a couple of weeks.

    How do the people on this discussion who build their own home theaters feel about buying by internet? Richard plans to have his local guy do the installation for him so it would make no diffference if he overpays at BestBuy or gets it via the internet.

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  • bolivarbolivar Member Posts: 2,316
    TV Problem: About only thing to try would be to make sure the cable/multi cable was securely pushed into their plugs in the back of the TV. And where they come from. (If one of the 3-wire 'composite' cables is loose, the TV will still work but with strange color). But then you said you have the same problem from TV (Cable/Satellite) or from DVD player source. These sources probably come into two different 'plugs' in the back of the TV. So,,,, since you have the same problem from two different sources, cables probably aren't your problem..... You need a new TV.

    New TV: Vizio, Samsung, Panasonic are good and mid-price range. If you buy LED/LCD, get a LED (newest thing - it's actually a LCD with different 'lighting') that is 'center lit' (not 'edge lit'). Sony is good, but you will pay more for the name.

    Samsung makes LED/LCD and Plasma. Panasonic, in the larger sizes, usually will be Plasma. Pioneer was top of the line, but for some reason no longer makes any TV, I think. Do not buy one of the 'old' name brands. Phillips, RCA, Motorola, Poloroid, etc, etc. Mitsubishi -absolutely not, worse TV made.

    If you buy in the smaller sizes, less than 42 inch, most do not have the features or newer tech innerds. You probably have no need for 3-D, and some of the glasses cost up to $200 each.

    I'm looking for a 54/55 inch Vizio or Samsung LED center lit, maybe with wireless internet capability to come into my price range of $1,100 to $1,300. (Grinder prices.) Move the 42 inch Panasonic Plasma (which has been a very good TV for about 4 years) to the bedroom, the 26 inch Panasonic LCD (which doesn't have the best picture) to the kitchen, and this will then give us about 5 other unused/under utilized TVs in the house.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,727
    edited May 2011
    > My electrician will hook it all up for $75.

    Ask your electrician to stop by and test the connection to your existing TV for you. Maybe hook up a small TV to the cable source to verify it's okay.

    Small charge for stopping by to check out lines for you.
    Ask what he feels about buying a TV by internet with delivery for a cheaper price?

    I notice Bestbuy.com has
    Panasonic - VIERA / 42" Class / 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV
    Model: TC-L42U30 | SKU: 2355125

    for $719

    on their website. Is that the model. They have order on the net, pay on the net, and pick up at the store service.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,477
    edited May 2011
    Pioneer was top of the line, but for some reason no longer makes any TV, I think.

    Pioneer Kuro Elite plasmas are still considered to be the best TVs. The question is when -if ever- a better TV will become available. As an example, watch The Dark Knight Blu-ray on a Kuro Elite; in terms of picture quality nothing else comes close. Pioneer Kuros were High End products and were priced accordingly. Pioneer decided to get out of the TV business when the economy nosedived; there's a limited market for $5000 TVs.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,636
    Panasonic Viera 42 inch LCD-HDTV with 1080p and 120 Hz

    Just for the fun of it I went on amazon.com and looked up the TV you mentioned. They showed 3 different models with that description, and they were all at a better price. Go to:
    Panasonic Viera 42 inch LCD-HDTV with 1080p and 120 Hz

    All 3 models shown have 5 stars so they are probably all fine (one has 4.5 but that could be a minor thing). It is interesting that used ones are not that much less....save $50 on an $800 TV....and not get a warranty?

    I will say one thing that might be worth checking on your current TV if you can do it is to make sure a wire hasn't come loose. All you have to do is push all the wires in as much as you can. I don't know how it happens, but wires can come loose.
    image

    Panasonic VIERA TC-L42U30 42-Inch 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV
    Buy new: $799.95 Click for product details
    22 new
    2 used from $657.99
    Get it by Tuesday, May 10 if you order in the next 14 hours and choose one-day shipping.
    Eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping.
    5.0 out of 5 stars (3)

    This is one example. You have to actually go through the order process to get their price and they have free shipping deals. I have never had a bad experience with Amazon.

    With my limited knowledge you are smart to go LCD, it is lighter and will suit your needs fine.

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  • jwilliams2jwilliams2 Member Posts: 910
    Best Buy has 12 different Panasonic 42'" models on their website. As mentioned, the LCD TC-L42U30 is shown at $719. The highest priced model is $1079, and is apparently the top of the line LED model. Best Buy is usually price competitive, and they will price match. You are probably better off buying locally in case of a problem.

    I had no idea there could be 12 different models, same size, same brand. Makes car shopping look easy by comparison.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,727
    edited May 2011
    >I had no idea there could be 12 different models, same size, same brand.

    Richard said he was pricing an LCD model and not the LED version. So I chose the highest priced of the LCD models, which is probably what I would look at--I seldom get cutting edge technology because it if goes wrong or is weak, you're stuck. I like tried and true.

    I assume same-sized models have different features added on as well as better electronics?

    I personally don't like BB and their business model along with their store's way of handling problems in the past. I cringe when someone gives me a gift card as a gift for the place because I have to work to use it up.

    I find the HH Gregg salespeople more knowledgeable (older) and clear that they are there to make a sale which is what earns their paycheck. As Randy Jackson on American Idol would say, they are "in it, to sell it."

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,236
    How do the people on this discussion who build their own home theaters feel about buying by internet?

    I buy just about everything on the Internet. I have two complete surround systems in my house and with the exception of the TVs every component was sourced througt the internet. Many through Ebay. I took a chance here or there and bought a few pieces from a non-authorized dealer, but the price saving more than justified the risk. For example: a good while back I scored a $3100 Yamaha RX-V1 receiver for around $1200 shipped to my door. Its getting a bit older now, but the performance is still outstanding.

    My Sony 50" TV was bought locally only because it is an older "table top projection" unit that would have cost more to ship at the time than the modest delivery charge Tweeter had. With the new flat panel TVs, the shipping charges aren't nearly as bad and often you save the sales tax which makes buying via the internet better.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,727
    >new flat panel TVs, the shipping charges aren't nearly as bad and often you save the sales tax

    I noted that NewEgg had free shipping. BestBuy apparently didn't have the one set I cited in stock in the area, so they wanted $79 to ship it plus the sales tax. I like the buy it at internet price and pick up at your local store sans shipping but requiring the sales tax to be paid.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,236
    New Egg (and Tiger Direct) are very good companies to deal with. Free shipping on a TV is a nice deal. They also turn around the orders quickly.

    As you note, buying at internet price and then picking up is a nice option. I've also found at some stores they will match the internet price.

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,249
    I had great luck with these guys:
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com

    Bought a Blu-Ray system from them. They had the best price, plus offered free 2-day shipping. On some items, pricing is great... others, you'll find better elsewhere. But they were low on my item and the free 2-day shipping sealed the deal (plus if I'd purchased from Best Buy, etc., I'd have had to pay sales tax - none since this store is in NY).

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,626
    Sorry if I didn't answer your question, thought I did. I'm not a big fan of Kohler products. They used to make amazing, durable fixtures & toilets. Then they decided that making money by making things pretty & very expensive was the way to go. Who am I to criticize? I'm sure they're bottom line has A LOT more ZEROS than mine does.

    If you call up their customer service number or check out their website, you can probably get new "guts" for the inside of your toilet. That should help the problem. Parts aren't cheap though. For example, my Dad has a Kohler toilet in his house. The handle was broken. I picked one up from a supplier at a "wholesale cost" of $65.

    Good luck!

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,236
    I picked one up from a supplier at a "wholesale cost" of $65.


    Ouch... I think I spent maybe $7.00 on a replacement handle at Home Depot.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,477
    edited May 2011
    I buy just about everything on the Internet.

    I bought all my speaker cable and interconnects from Blue Jeans Cable, my sub from HSU Research, and my Tripp surge suppressors(Tripplite) from Amazon.
    I sourced my speakers and electronics locally. In almost all cases I got a deal that was within a few dollars of the online price.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,727
    >They used to make amazing, durable fixtures & toilets.

    They still do make them.

    I have Kohler toilets and faucets in three sinks. If there's a problem with a flapper sticking open, they sent a new flapper unit -- Free. If the ceramic valve turns hard or drips on one of the faucets--lavatories or kitchen sink--free replacementS come in the mail. They replace both because if one has failed, the other is like to wear out soon.

    I found the same about my Delta shower unit.

    These are not bottom line items but the lifetime guarantees sold me.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,626
    Ok, so with the Prelude's future cemented in my own personal automotive history as "my car" and a certified "keeper," it is time to move on to the next step I need to take. It is time to buy the Pilot.

    So there will be an actualy sales story posted here on "Stories From The Sales Frontlines." Maybe when it is all over I'll even go into the prices paid forum just to yank Craig's chain to see if he's still paying attention :P

    I went to a Honda Dealership to test drive the Pilot. If I don't like the way it drives, well then it is back to square 1. But I do like it.

    I parked my shiny Prelude in front, walked in & waited by the reception desk. The receptionist was busy on the phone. I waited about 2 minutes and was greeeted by a salesman. Younger guy, maybe in his late 20's, well dressed, suit, tie, not a hair out of place. Very professional.

    "Are you being helped?"

    "No, I'm interested in a Pilot. I see there are none on the showroom floor, do you have one I can check out?"

    "Yes, no problem. Let me grab the keys."

    He returned with the keys very shortly thereafter.

    "What kind of car are you driving now?"

    "A 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH." As I proudly point out my gleaming Prelude. "I'm not trading it in though. I tried to sell it last week and just couldn't do it. It is a part of me."

    "Wow, very nice car. Preludes in that condition are hard to come by. Do you know which Pilot you are interested in?"

    "I'm trying to decide between the EX-L w/ NAV & the Touring."

    "Oh, so you've done some research. Let me open up the Pilot & show you some of the features. This one we have here is just a plain EX-L, no NAV & we don't have a Touring."

    To be continued...

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,727
    edited May 2011
    The photography based retailers got a bad "image" with me when I shopped for my Sony camera 5-6 years ago. Years back the New York stores were the cheapest source for quality 35 mm cameras in my price range.

    But now I found They had good prices to hook people in but they required buying the extra packages of off brand stuff, lens wipes, straps, even the batteries (usually included in the box). Also people reported orders for the base unit weren't shipped; instead the buyer got a phone call a day or two later that they had to buy these extras for a ridiculous high price for junk.

    I'm glad to know that didn't happen to you.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,236
    I have a few cables from Blue Jeans in my system, nice stuff at good prices. I love anything with the Canare RCAs. They provide good contact, but aren't overly tight like Monster's connectors. I damaged an input on a Denon amp with Monster. I won't use their cables any longer.

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    What? You are posting a car sales story in here? Talk about off topic!.... ;)
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  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    I buy just about everything on the Internet. I hear that!

    Living in KY or the mountains of VA, good stores are few and far away.

    If not for Amazon, etc. my house would be empty. (well, not really).

    I had a desire for a Dunkin' Donuts. Googled them. 50 miles was the closest.

    Now if only Amazon sold cars. I think it may come to that.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,626
    LOL! I hope my post doesn't get deleted.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,236
    I had a desire for a Dunkin' Donuts. Googled them. 50 miles was the closest

    I am the opposite... I think there is a Dunkin every mile or so around here. I have no less than 5 all around the same distance away from the house.

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Send one of them to mako!

    We have one. For a while we had two. That second one was going to relocate within the town but when the lease ended on the place they had they just never reopened somewhere else. That's all right. One does the trick.
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  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    Sorry for the diversion, nycarguy...I was hungry while typing.
    Kind of like texting while driving without all the sudden lane changes.

    Please tell us more about the Honda Experience.

    With no trade you should be fine, but they'll always expect you to spring the Prelude on them at the last minute. And Honda stores give bupkus for trades.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,626
    The salesman is now showing me some of the features of the Pilot, how the ACE body structure works, how the engine is set low in the engine bay to increase stability, where the NAV screen would go if it is equipped with navigation.

    He then asks: "Do you really need Navigation?"

    "Yes, it is essential for my wife's line of work."

    Now I thought this was a strange question since just a few minutes ago I had specifically told him I was interested in either the Pilot EX-L WITH NAVIGATION or the Pilot Touring (which comes with Navigation).

    "Pilots with Navigation are really hard to come by. The demand is really outpacing supply right now because of the earthquake & tsunami disasters in Japan. We're already seeing sale prices from last month rise. When do you think you'd be looking to buy?"

    To quote the great Richard Pryor: "I think I'd better pull up my boots."

    Now I'm thinking to myself: "Wow, I didn't realize the earthquake's aftershocks & tsunami's waves affected the assembly plant in ALABAMA where they make these Pilots."

    I just smiled and said: "Wow, I didn't know that. That's crazy. We're probably going to be looking to buy in the next 30 - 45 days."

    "Yeah, the plant where they make the computer chips for the NAV systems in Japan is down and is going to be down for a while. Supplies are going to be very tight for at least another year."

    "Well, I need to know if I like how it drives before I make any kind of decision, so can we take it for a ride?"

    "Yes, sure. Let me grab a plate and I'll take a copy of your driver's License."

    We drove the truck & I happened to like it. He took me on the local route that didn't include any highway driving. I'm going to have to see how this bad boy accelerates on the highway during my next test drive.

    I told him I definitely liked the Pilot & would have to bring my wife back to test drive it.

    "OK, come on back on Saturday. The managers usually offer the best deals on Saturdays."

    Now he never took my contact information. Did he think I was a stroke? Was he making up the thing about the NAV chips because he doesn't have ANY Touring or EX-L w/ NAV models to sell me?

    We shall see. I've got to have my wife drive the Pilot next. Probably next weeke sometime.

    To be continued...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,808
    can't say for sure about the Pilot nav, but I know after the wave hit, there were reports about certain components (and supposedly black paint) being severly impacted since only a few places made them.

    it is also possible that they don't order a lot of Navi models, given the huge price differential (and how good many portables are). But, I have used the one in a new MDX, and the big screen was very nice!

    you can always do a search at other dealers to see if they have the model in stock.

    also, you would be surprised what they can find out just having your license. I have gotten calls from people that I never gave my # to.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,808
    OK, just checked by me (bigger dealer in south jersey, if you want to take a ride!). List 23 pilots, 2 are EX-L navi, and 1 more is a navi with rear DVD (something I would never pay for).

    this is a nice color.

    http://www.hondaofturnersville.com/detail-2011-honda-pilot-4wd_ex~l_with_navigat- ion-new-7052077.html

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    I personally don't like BB and their business model along with their store's way of handling problems in the past.

    I find the HH Gregg salespeople more knowledgeable (older) and clear that they are there to make…


    FWIW, I don’t like Best Buy either (never did) and because of that I bought at Circuit City until they went out of business although I did have a problem with a salesman there one time that didn’t know his product but experience has taught me to expect that sometimes. Maybe this guy was an ex-car salesman because he sure did have a line of you know what. :surprise:

    HH Gregg will be moving into our area soon so I like the idea of that and the added competition.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,626
    I'm sure there are more dealers around my area with plenty of inventory. Thanks for checking for me.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I just checked out Herb Chambers with 3 Honda stores here in Boston. They have 98 Pilots in stock - 5 are EX-L NAV and 1 is a Touring.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,636
    The handle was broken. I picked one up from a supplier at a "wholesale cost" of $65.

    Thanks for getting back. If this causes a big problem it gets tossed...I don't have the patience. But, I don't need fancy...I just want it to work. The thing is if it doesn't close properly, you can lose a fair bit of water before any one actually realizes it.

    It came with the house so wasn't my choice. Interesting to hear Kohler's marketing plan.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,636
    If there's a problem with a flapper sticking open, they sent a new flapper unit -- Free.

    That's good to know. I think in this case they just got fancy and made something more difficult than it has to be. Like I say, if the flapper doesn't close you could lose a lot of water. Right now it is working and we always keep an extra flapper, but we are on the 4th one and I haven't replaced any others, in the 3 years we have been here + 2 years the house was built.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    He then asks: "Do you really need Navigation?"
    "Yes, it is essential for my wife's line of work."


    Just a comment on 'navi' in general. I don't know how much it adds to the cost of that vehicle, but I recently picked up a fully equipped original model iPad for approximately $500.
    I was absolutely blown away when I used it as a 'navi' on a recent trip.
    Once you've used a crystal clear 10" touch screen you'll want to never go back to 3" or 4" screen again.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Interesting to hear Kohler's marketing plan.

    In reality, Kohler wants to cover every price point in the market. They have builder grade, home center grade and luxury grade. They've supplemented their brand name by purchasing other brands and keeping them somewhat independent. Most people don't know that Kohler is also offers furniture and generators as well as being a golf resort developer.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "I personally don't like BB and their business model..."

    Neither do I. Unfortunately, they are the only ones in our area who sell TV's other than Wal-Mart. YUCK! I went to Bet Buy today just to look---did not buy.

    First, let me thank all of you for such great advice on my TV problem and then what to purchase. Here is what I was told by a very nice BB salesperson. I explained my limitation with only 43 inches of bookcase space. I then told her that I wanted 1080p/120Hz LED in either Samsung, Panasonic, or Vizio. She told me that to get what I wanted, I needed to move above a 42 inch screen. IS SHE PULLING MY LEG HERE?

    Here is what she suggested and what she had to offer:

    Samsung 46 inch Class 3D LED HDTV with 1080p/120Hz Internet Connectable. (The width is 41 and 7/8 inches so it will fit my bookcase space.) Price is $1,439.99 on sale from $1,599.99. She suggested waiting until Father's Day to purchase because it will be $1,299.99 by then...so she says.

    My problem wasn't getting the 1080p; it was moving up from 60Hz to 120 Hz. There were plenty of LED's but they only had the 60Hz. I don't really care about the 3D or the internet connectability, but this model came with those items. I'll try to shop this model on line (UN46D6420UFXZA) to see if it is cheaper elsewhere. I just didn't realize that you had to go bigger in a LED to get the 120Hz.

    Thanks again.

    Richard
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,727
    edited May 2011
    Here's a page on newegg.com for TVs that are 42 inch, LED, 1080p, 120 hz. I assume that the LED-LCD is the notation for LED in the customer lingo?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100009315%2060005412- - - 1&IsNodeId=1&name=42%22
    The Panasonics (2) are $999 and $859. They have Vizio. No Samsung.

    On bestbuy's site I see 42 in sets with those features.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+/+42%22+Class+/+1080p+/+120Hz+/+LE- - - D-LCD+HDTV/2355064.p?id=1218323425623&skuId=2355064

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+42%22+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LED-LCD+HDT- - - V/2097053.p?id=1218309069327&skuId=2097053

    It sounds like you need to go to websites for various size TVs and check the specifications box for the width...

    Maybe the salesman just meant their store didn't stock those sizes in 1080.

    I'd do some checking online for the brand name, 42, LED, 1080, 120 and see what offerings pop up from other retailers like Amazon.

    Just looked at HH Gregg:
    Samsung 46in 1080 120 LED 42.9 inches wide...
    http://hhgregg.com/ProductDetail.asp?SID=n&ProductID=73424

    $1169 website price.
    Model No: UN46D6000

    Out of stock on website (that's a good sign it's a desirable TV)
    They say to call the stores...

    You should have one or two within 30-40 miles of you. They had a lot in NC>

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,626
    Mac24 - that's actually a fantastic idea, but where do you mount the iPad while driving?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Sony makes a couple 1080p/120Hz 40" TVs in the Bravia series. There are some good sales going on right now and more to come in a week or so. I thought I saw that Costco was going to have a Sony on sale next week (but can't remember if it was less than 46".) Amazon usually has pretty decent prices. The nice thing about Costco is that they double the warranty whether you buy online or at a store.

    I've got a 40" and a 46" Sony and have been very pleased. I can't believe how far prices have come down in the last few years.
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