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"... NY metro area ...".... Can you share the dealer name?
must be East Coast...?..... 10K less is an awesome deal ...
After a LOT of negotiating, Benzel in Englewood was willing to sell the car at invoice.
To those quoting MSRB less some dollar amount, that doesn't help anyone because who knows what your msrb was?? msrb is exactly 7% over invoice, so quote it percentage off of msrb or percentage above invoice so everyone knows what you're talking about.
It wouldn't surprise me if some can find a vehicle below invoice, given a lower demand color and/or option package (it'll have to be a P1). There are tons of P1's out there, but relatively P2's that aren't loaded with thousands of dollars of other options as well.
ADVICE: AVOID THE MB-TEX SEATS IN MACADAMIA. They suck. 3 weeks after delivery, they get discolored. Salesman said it's from blue jeans and there's nothing to do about it.
I will never buy another mercedes with that material. Pay up for the leather.
I should have known better. A friend had the same interior on an '07 model. His wife became so incensed with the "dirt" on the seats that they complained to their dealer and were ultimately able to trade the car in for a new one with black MB-tec. I convinced myself that the problem must have been unique to him. It was not. I intend to raise my complaint with Mercedes. I will post the outcome.
Another general comment about the MB-tec material. It has the appearance of being high quality (until it gets dirty), but it definitely doesn't feel that way. It has an almost rubbery, tacky feel to it. It's not so easy to slide in and out of. Your backside kind of grabs when you try. This must explain why the light material picks up the dye from blue jeans. I took delivery of my vehicle in November so I haven't yet had it in warm weather, but I suspect that it's going to be awful during the summer. Nothing worse than sweating against a synthetic seat.
Readers are probably thinking "then why'd you get it". My mistake, but again, it was hard not to. Mercedes has so few leather cars built, the color options are limited and those that are available had a bunch of useless options that I refused to pay for ($500 illuminated door sills anyone?). Several salemen I spoke to all said the material was "just like leather". Trust me -- it is not.
Honestly, I find it to be an outrage that a nearly $70k car doesn't come standard with leather. I can appreciate that there are those out there that may prefer a synthetic interior for ethical reasons, but the reality is that the vast majority of mid range and above vehicles have leather, and that's because it's what most consumers prefer.
BTW: aside from the seats, my wife, children and I all love the GL. It's exceeded our expectations in every other way and is an absolute pleasure to drive -- in fact the best riding and handling SUV I've ever been in.
I just completed my JD Powers new owner's survey. 4,000 miles in and not a single defect or reliablity issue has arisen. I am happy (and maybe lucky) to be able to say that the vehicle is flawless.
I had a 320E wagon for many years and miles before this with MBtec - a light tan color, and it never was a problem. It's still going strong with another owner, and still looks good at 10yrs of age.
I thought it was me! Please keep us posted.
He is ordering his new Mercedes over the phone... and gets into a whole discussion with the salesman about MB-Tex..
It's hilarious..
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Any suggestions on negotiation and ralisticexpectations would be kindly appreciated
It was just a suggestion as I was trying to save you money. It's worth a phone call to Fleet.
I just sent them a long email asking for them to fax the specs on cars that fit our wants so we'll see how that goes Monday. It's ashame b/cI was already to wire the money yesterday and fly out to drive back today - but what do they say about the best laid plans of mice & men????
I even negotiated the GL price before I came in.
I have looked at FJ in Newport Beach, but was never happy with their sales people.
The cars I bought were well below invoice. For the GL550 I don't think invoice is out of ther question even though it's relatively new. I notice lots of them sitting on the lot when I go to get my GL washed.
If you want I can inquire with my salesperson about what you're looking for and see what kind of price you can get. Or I can give you his contact. Or tell him to call/email you.
I am new to this blog and don't know how we can contact each other via email. I don't even know if I'm able to give the salesperson's name at this site.
Let me know if I can be of help.
It's a real shame because I otherwise unconditionally love this vehicle.
I think MB knows we will still buy their product, but with leather next time.
thanks
In Southern California, especially with gas prices, I know 10% off is easily had.
They gave me that deal for my GL450 by phone. I just went in to pick it up.
Actually, salesman agreed to it so quickly that I wished i asked for a larger discount. Oh well. Pleased with the GL. I'm sure you'll enjoy yours.
would you recommend buying a 07 with 19,000 miles on it for $59
thanks
So I have disproved yet another internet myth - I just wish people would tell the truth on these forums rather than claim to get incredible deals on cars just to make themselves feel good.
Thanks for any help!
anyway, all too often we hear claims of these great prices that don't pan out. all i'm ensinuating that we offer real info and accurate first hand knowledge on this subject. i'm pretty sure 100% of these board members would agree.
There are a number of possibilities that could have affected your price quote. If you'd like me to explain, I'd be happy to as I worked in the car biz (as a manager) and understand how things work.
I apologize if you felt misled, but I truly believe that the people on this site are here to help and the overall intentions are to see others get great deals.
Seriously, glfan, i would appreciate any info or from others for that matter. Tomorrow being the end of thebmoth and my 7 mos pregnant wife's birthday, I figure tomorrow would be my best shot for now. I've got cash in hand.....
Thanks for any help from anybody. If I get a true lead for invoice or less,. send me your address to a toekn of my appreciation.
Take Care All
For what it's worth, I bought my '08 GL P2, black/maca at invoice and remain pleased (didn't pay the roughly $400 coop advertising fee either!). I'm sure the dealer still made ample profit on me -- fair enough. They do need to earn something.
Good luck!
I'll contact the salesperson. If it looks like a good deal, I'll either give him your email or email you myself.
It was too easy. Maybe I should have asked how low can he sell the 550 for.
I told him what you wanted as far as color. He asked who is this person. When I told him you were from Texas, he said that might be difficult b/c MBZ fines them if they sell a car out of state. He said he would have to check. I asked him to contact you and discuss it further. Hope it's ok I gave him your email. I'm not sure about fines out of state. Maybe you should inquire to see how much and if it's still worth your time. Let me know if you hear or don't hear from him.
Hope I could be of some help.
I've never driven a Cadillac SUV, so I can't comment on quality or ride.
I do know that the GL's ride is just like a car. Many of my friends have commented on how quite and soft the ride is. The ride is nowhere near our S-Class, but better than the C-Class we previously owned. You're right, the GL is costly, but it is the top of the line SUV for families. I think it's up there with the Range Rover.
She saw the Mercedes GL 450. Really liked the look of the vehicle. Thought it was more spacious and the fact that it was a "Benz".
I suppose on the plus side for the GL is that it is bigger and probably has a different "drive" than the Lexus. What I don't know is what about the GL rationalizes the ~$10K-$15 difference in price tag (similarly equipped).
The other factor that I am taking in is that it will be driven in a cold weather state in a fairly hilly area (Morris County, NJ). Don't know if this should have any impacts on decision (eg. gas mileage, horsepower, handling, etc.).
I was wondering if anyone has had either experience with both vehicles or faced a similar dilemna. Your input would be greatly appreciated. - Lee