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Are Toyota's recent quality problems just a glitch?

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 9,088
    Let's stop talking about each other and stick to the topics please.

    Let it go and move on.

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  • Depends on how much you want to spend. I am 6'3" and have the same problems, leg and headroom are short in most cars. I have had Honda's for a long time. I am finally giving up my 96 civic lots of leg and head room to my 17 year old. Supposed to pass her drivers test today. I digress. I looked at most of the cars you listed but not the Versa. To small for a family of 5 even in a pinch with all tall teens. The current Accord headroom was lacking and the way the pedals are does not help leg room plus when you try to get some height on the seat it scissors forward taking away leg room and there is no power seat option on Honda. Camry, looked but with all the tranny issues I decided to pass, plus when you start putting options on a Toyota the price rises rapidly. I bought an Altima. The auto(CVT) I did not like because the parking brake position bothered my left leg. It is in a weird spot about 6 inches in from the drives footwell where you would expect the clutch and sticks out into space. The 6 speed has a handbrake, problem solved. Plus you can get the car with a power seat and no sunroof. At my height no sunroof is a must and so is the power seat to be comfortable. Drive the Altima manual with the convienence package you may be supprised. :shades:
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...on my way home yesterday afternoon - a Toyota Solara ragtop. This one was white with a tan top. Did Toyota make a Solara convertible or is this an aftermarket conversion?
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Yes, we all know about that one. Meanwhile farther down in the same article, it says:

    Toyota, which is adding production capacity faster than any automaker in North America, faced nagging questions about its quality after 2.2 million recalls in 2005. But the world's No. 2 automaker managed to reduce recalls by about two-thirds in 2006 and continues to lead the industry in most quality surveys.

    So save that :lemon: for your next bottle of Corona!
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Yes, Toyota has made a Solara convertible since at least the 2000 model year. It's now in its second generation.
  • geo9geo9 Posts: 739
    STILL...........Over 500,000 recalled this year SO FAR !
    Not a good start for ANY automaker !

    Sorry No corona for me......... I will save that lemon slice
    for a TASTY Spaten Club Weiss ! :shades:
  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    This graph pretty well speaks for itself, I think.
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    Just in case it doesn't, here's what I think it says:

    In 2005 Toyota significantly more recalls than in other years, but if any potential buyer wanted to reduce his chances of having his vehicle recalled, he'd do far better in any given year to bet on a Toyota than a GM DCX or Ford.
  • geo9geo9 Posts: 739
    toyotas 07 recalls are quite alarming...........
    500k plus so far this year and its only January !
    Swirling down the bowl !

    WOW.........GM going from 5 mill. to 1.6 is a KNOCKOUT
    of a improvement 05 to 06 !

    Seen this one already over at Det. news.com !
    Surprising the toyota faithful would post it over here.... :confuse:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,723
    Down to only double the competition...woo hoo!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,077
    But I don't get overly anxious about the number of recalls. Most of them are relatively benign (I've had vehicles recalled for a bad trunk latch and noisy bushings, for example), and the work is done at no cost to me.

    What I care more about is long-term quality, and defects that show up after the manufacturer warranty has expired. Those recall numbers tell me nothing about how severe the defects were, either. A faulty trunk latch or moonroof retractor is slightly different than a power control module defect.

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  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "But I don't get overly anxious about the number of recalls. Most of them are relatively benign..."

    I'll second that opinion.

    I've got a Toyota Celica which is currently subject to a recall. Aparently, the luminous intensity of the DRL's doesn't meet Federal guidelines.

    Yawn.
  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    I agree that the number of recalls is not a totally relevant indicator of quality, however, I think that regardless of the type of problem covered by the recall,it's a handy-rule-of-thumb barometer of engineering and product testing by the manufacturers.

    In short, while I'm pretty well speechless at geo9's worldview where some cuts and bruises on Toyota's reputation equates to GM's attempt to recover from 30 years of cancer,I do believe that Toyota needs to concentrate on avoiding future recalls, in order to maintain their current image.

    A continuing trend WILL hurt Toyota if they don't act. But: they will act. The difference between their situation and GM's is that GM ignored the problem for decades and now has a bad reputation, while Toyota has had a good reputation for 20 years. GM is having to change an entire culture and corporate structure, while Toyota only has to return to the stringent engineering and quality controls they already had in the recent past.

    Finally, even if Toyota had to invest $100 per car to ensure quality, they have plenty of money with which to do that and still make a nice profit. A luxury that GM doesn't have.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,994
    The funny thing is that Toyota's advantage on currency manipulation of $3-12K depending on price spares them enough enough extra cash to engineer out any problems. They have this luxury that the domestic's do not and still can't get it right. I hope these problems continue and just maybe american's perception will change some. :)

    Rocky
  • Toyota's advantage on currency manipulation?? WRONG!! Rocklee, your continuing efforts at changing Americans' perception are admirable, but often don't bear any relevance to the topic--in this case "Are T's Quality Problems just a glitch?"
    Especially this latest barb about currency maniulation. What that has to do with quality is a stretch, particularly when you know full well that all domestic automakers do big business offshore, and ALL domestic automakers hedge against offshore currencies. Toyota has no greater or lesser advantage in this context than ANY other carmaker doing business globally.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,994
    I'm not going to start a arguement with you and we will have to just disagree otherwise it will get really off-topic with me providing facts. ;)

    Rocky
  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    What bothers me is the schadenfreude aspect of all this talk:

    "I hope these [Toyota Quality] problems continue and just maybe american's perception will change some"

    Great - let's hope that the Japanese company's quality falls to the level of the American companies' so purchasers of all cars can suffer equally bad quality.

    What kind of wish is that for the American consumer?

    The whole premise of capitalism is that the guy with the better product gets the business......

    Oh wait, I said Capitalism, didn't I.

    Never mind.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    The same thought crossed my mind. Let's hope that everyone raises the bar on quality, American, Asian, and European.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,077
    Yes, one might as well say that if Toyota's quality falls, then domestic products might not look so bad in comparison.

    If Cinderella gets a broken nose, her ugly stepsister might not look as hideous. Exaggeration, but you get the point.

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  • So basically its "Let's hope there is a level playing field so the domestics don't have to try as hard to compete."

    There is a reason why quality glitches won't take Toyota down like it did the Big3. They'll correct their issues faster than the 3 decades it took to take down the domestics. :blush:
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    ...their number of recalls so much, they're almost up to sucks now!
  • And they are still twice as many as Toyota. Glad to see everyone imporving, but in no way is the recent spat of recalls indicative of the same pattern the Domestics went down. 5 - 10 years of this? Sure, then we can throw stones at Toyota.
  • c2rosac2rosa Posts: 76
    ......With engine replacements costing as much as $10,000, the final tab could run into the billions. But the damage to Toyota 's reputation might be even more costly for the Japanese automaker. ....

    See:
    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070207/AUTO01/702070349/1148-

    for the complete story
  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    The sludge issue was a significant blow," said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore. "Toyota's in the position that GM was in back in the 1970s. A lot of people were buying GM products in the '70s because they were GM products, but they had fractures at the edges. It took 15 years before GM started to suffer from that long-term negative word-of-mouth."
  • I recenlty leased a 2006 toyota sienna xle, WOW you wouldn't beleive how many quality problems this vehicle has.
    poerformance sucks... the biggest issue is, Toyota refuses to acknowledge that Sienna has quality issues, dealers are trained by Toyota engineers to tell customers thats the way the vehicles are made... which is a load of crap... I had a '04 Sienna which performed much better than the '06 and I hear that the '07 is even worse.
    some of the quality issues worth mentioning are;
    1. engine, pickup performance,
    2. engine noise is louder than previous models
    3. climate control issues.
    4. automatic door issues
    5. steering in cold weather issues

    if this keeps up Toyota will go down so fast to 4th or 5th place.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    " I had a '04 Sienna which performed much better than the '06 and I hear that the '07 is even worse."

    Interesting since the '04 was identical to the '06 and the '07 model got a substantial bump in hp/tq.
  • The anti-Toyota smear campaign is well under way. Edmunds is not the only site being targeted. :sick:
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Well, it's really hard to comment on your post when you say the car had "issues." Specifics please?
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,994
    Well I do "feel" for you. Look at it this way at least they are denying they have problems and it's all in your head instead of hiding the problems from you. ;)

    I know thats wrong..... :blush:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,994
    Oh boo hoo !!!! Look at it this way at least the current crop of problems are limited to just car sites like this one. It could be worse as it could be in the mainstream media like if these problems happened to GM or Ford. ;)

    Rocky
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