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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    Duh. That is true, but did you see how it outsold the Taurus last month? By multiples. That says more to me about Taurus than the age of the Impala. I'll run over to the Ford forum and see your post about that there.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    Honest question: Were you aware, bpizzuti, that a new Impala is soon to be released? I think it'd be hard for a routine GM poster to not know that. It's been in most of the magazines and online as well. But, you've never let facts get in the way of a strong opinion.
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  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Note to uplanderguy: the current Impala is a bazillion-year old fleet queen.

    And I'll add - the reason Impala looks like a Buick, is that regardless of the *name*, it's a big boat with pretensions of luxury, liked by a mostly older demographic (for those who would actually buy one who is not a fleet buyer). Certainly a bland interior with fake wood grain is a pretension of luxury, even if it's a Chevy.

    Why not eliminate the fake woodgrain and instead put some money into a nicer plastic/vinyl interior? Sheesh, I wonder who makes the design decisions?
  • scwmcanscwmcan Member Posts: 399
    I am not a GM fan boy ( only owned one so far, it was okay ). But have to ask why you are harping on lost market share, I am pretty sure that it was decided in the past ( by the GM constructive criticism posters ) that market share wasn't important, as a matter of fact they ( and from your point 1 above you) say they should get rid of division and shrink considerably, thereby losing market share. The point is not market share ( they aren't supposed to be concerned about being number one anymore according to most) the point is supposed to be making better cars and selling them at higher profit margins, it appears this at least is happening, it may not be all the way there yet, but this aspect of their business is improving. I do think that GMC should have gone as well ( though if it is indeed profitable then maybe not) and if this napped the dealers without trucks should have been allowed to sell Chevy trucks in their dealerships too ( much like Ford did( does?) with Lincoln/Mercury dealers being allowed Ford trucks. could have saved development and marketing, and hopefully kept most of the buyers with the company ( though if indeed the numbers postulated either here or another forums are correct it could have hurt GM as well). I don't have a problem with Chevy, Buick, and Cadillac as the car divisions, though they need to make sure they don't overlap them too much. Chevy should be equivalent to the Toyota brand ( ie good quality, mainstream brand), Buick should be after the Japanese luxury style ( Acura and low to mid level Lexus) and Cadillac should be Euopean style luxury/sport against BMW, Merc, and Audi for example. I can see where this would work without too much overlap, and be successful, especially since The devopment of the Buick models should be covered by the Chinese market ( I.e. develop them for that market and adapt them for North America, the main development would be covered by the Chinese market, with Bly marketing and adaptation cost covered here, I am sure there would be those that complain but it doesn't have to mean that the cars are engineered and built there, just designed for that market first).
    Anyway just some opposing thoughts.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The current Impala is a big boat? Shoot, a Jetta must be your idea of a limousine. The current Impala, in my eyes, is diminutive. Full-size, in my book, is something along the size of my Grand Marquis. I would actually buy an Impala as a daily run-around car. It's nice enough for me not to be ashamed of but not so nice that I'd be paranoid driving it. It's also just about big enough for my needs. I carry a lot of stuff in the back of my Grand Marquis and I don't want a truck, minivan, or crossover. Heck, I don't even mind the fake woodgrain. Beats staring at acres of barren nothingness. best yet, an Impala is very affordable. I miss they days when just about every manufacturer offered an affordable genuinely full-sized car.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    I am aware a new Impala is coming. If you recall, I blame them wanting to keep both that and the Malibu on the shrinking of the Malibu in order to try and give the Impala a niche (since they can't go luxury over size like Ford and Toyota did, because that would horn in on Buick territory...Ford and Toyota, not having some wierd 'tweener brand, don't have that worry).

    So, if the Impala is such a valuable brand with so much equity, why did they leave it with nothing more than a facelift since Y2K? THAT'S the point I'm making, and you keep trying to hide behind "a new model is coming." Why the bleep did it take so bleeping long???

    P.S. The answer is because they have way too many brands and models and it makes allocating resources and making business decisions way too complex. But don't worry, a new Impala is coming for 2014. And it'll probably be around until 2026.
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Scwman, you make some very good points. If GM can up its quality its reputation, and its profit per vehicle then that is all good, even if market share declines. As long as they can adjust their cost structure (meaning closings of dealers, plants, reducing workforce, etc.) then better they be more like BMW than Toyota. Let's see if they can shrink and maintain good profitability. But then why invest in Peugeot, another struggling brand?
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    How dare you? What's wrong with you? Logic and sense have no place here. :shades:

    I happen to agree, there's no real place for Buick or GMC in the US. It's expending resources that GM doesn't need to expend. With those out of the way they can concentrate their efforts where it counts, make Caddy the standard of the world and a true BMW rival (once they dump the Escalades anyway). Without Buick getting in the way, there's room for both an Impala and Malibu of similar size, with the Impala as a higher-line model with slightly more prestige. Retire GMC gradually through a program of rebranding it to "Chevy Truck," and gradually merge models with Chevy and let GMC die a natural death.

    What's left is a GM that's lean and mean, right-sized for the market.
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    The current Impala is a big boat? Shoot, a Jetta must be your idea of a limousine. The current Impala, in my eyes, is diminutive.

    Understandable - we're each coming from opposite sides of the market, size-wise. I drive an Acura TL (which is a bit too big to me) and the Impala is bigger than that, and softer, so from my point of view it is a boat. But I can see that it wouldn't be from your perspective.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    So, if the Impala is such a valuable brand with so much equity, why did they leave it with nothing more than a facelift since Y2K? THAT'S the point I'm making, and you keep trying to hide behind "a new model is coming." Why the bleep did it take so bleeping long???

    Fact-checker:

    If deleting the 3.4 V6 and 3.8 V6, adding a 5.3 V8 and also 3.5 and a 3.9 V6, and subsequently adding a 3.6 V6 providing over 300 hp and getting 30 mpg, and updating from four speeds to six is a 'facelift', well...there's really nothing else to say.
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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    Yes, changing the engines available in a vehicle come under "facelift" when nothing is done to the fundamental design of the car. It's been the same W platform since it was released in 2000. That's a horrible thing to do to a name that apparently commands so much respect. Because fewer people shopping for cars remember the first Impalas, just the most recent one. Our opinion is based on our experience, not yours.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    Just wondering...ever drive one, or see in the papers what new ones sell for? Or...even ride in one? Usually the folks here with the biggest opinions have the least real experience in them. Please prove me wrong on this.
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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    It's pretty hard to live these days without renting the occasional Impala. I'm in the there's nothing wrong with them but nothing right with them either. It is nearly to the point of the Chevy Classic which was made solely for rental agencies.
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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    Hard? Try impossible. I actually liked the TRAILBLAZER rental I was in once more than the Impala. It probably wouldn't be so bad if the design wasn't so old. And frankly, the previous gen Malibu was good enough to overshadow it, and just about make it redundant.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    The 3.6 and 6-speed makes for a nice difference. I drove a rental a few short times.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    That wonderful YouTube video I posted with the Bonanza and Bewitched gangs introducing the '65 Chevys reminded me that in '65 Chevy sold one million Impalas....not one-million full-size Chevys, but one-million Impalas. Astounding. Stylewise, I do think it was about as perfect a Chevy as there ever was one.
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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Didn't like the way CHEVROLET was spelled out real big across the rear.

    How silly, yet I have seen people buy or not buy cars because they liked or didn't like something equally silly....to me, anyway.

    Good Grief....it's a TRUCK!!!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    How silly, yet I have seen people buy or not buy cars because they liked or didn't like something equally silly....to me, anyway.

    How's this one? My ex-wife's father said he'd never buy a GMC because that's the initials of his mother, Gladys Marie Christiam, who he could not stand! :surprise:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Kind of on the same note, a youtube obsessive documented the role of a squandered GM brand in another period TV show:

    http://youtu.be/Iax-0rIiqgU

    http://youtu.be/ScoW9KveKqY
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Same with General Motors Corp. Can't Stand GM! ;)

    Regards,
    OW
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    edited September 2012
    Actually, GMC stands for Grabowski Motor Company - an early builder of trucks that predates General Motors and was later acquired by them. The Rapid Motor Vehicle Company was started by Grabowski in 1902.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    As a kid, I watched "I Dream of Jeannie" and remember the Pontiacs (seems I remember "Dr. Bellows" always having the Bonnevilles), but it didn't take me long to think that it was a cheesy rip-off of "Bewitched" (not that THAT was high art!). I always thought Elizabeth Montgomery was beautiful and likeable, and Agnes Moorehead as her mother was pretty funny, and an Oscar-nominated actress. "Darrin"'s boss "Larry Tate" on the show drove Caprices and/or Corvettes.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    edited September 2012
    Not a slogan, but I know people that used to say "BMW" stood for "Big Money Wasted". I was known to say that myself.

    It won't matter here, of course, but I drove a 73-year old friend to a funeral yesterday. He's a die-hard Studebaker guy and owns a '90's BMW 3-series convertible and a late-model Ford Ranger. He said about my bare-bones Cobalt, "This is a solid little car". We drove about 70 miles round-trip in it. Of course, not the conventional wisdom (sigh).

    Studebaker never had a consistent marketing slogan, but my favorite of theirs was for the '64 model run, the last year built in the U.S. and my favorite model year of theirs...."Different....By Design".

    Their best-known slogan was probably "First By Far With a Postwar Car".
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    edited September 2012
    The 3.6 and 6-speed makes for a nice difference. I drove a rental a few short times.

    Yeah, you have to give GM credit for at least updating the powertrain in the Impala. Considering a new Impala is due out for 2014, they're really only getting two model years out of this powertrain. They probably could have just stuck it out with the 3.5 and 3.9 for two more years.

    But then, I wonder if it actually made more sense to go with the 3.6/6-speed, and streamline everything. By 2011, was there anything other than the Impala even using the 3.5 anymore? I know the Lucerne used the 3.9. And the Lucerne, DTS, and Impala all used the same 4-speed automatic. Maybe not completely the same, as I'd like to think the V-8 version was beefed up. But I'm sure they were in the same family.

    So, with the DTS and Lucerne going away, maybe it made sense to just retire the 3.5/3.9 and the transverse 4-speed automatic completely, and. And one unintended consequence of that was that the Impala happened to benefit from it.

    On a totally unrelated note, this makes me think of something Oldsmobile did in 1977. That was the last year for that generation of midsize. Yet, Olds actually went through the effort to put a new dashboard in the Cutlass, one that did away with the round a/c vents on the passenger side. Kinda interesting that they'd go through that much effort for something in its final model year. I don't think Buick or Chevy went through any effort like that on their cars. And I know Pontiac didn't.

    **edit: Just looked them up, and on second glance, it looks like Olds just modified the passenger side of the dash where the a/c ducts are. So, perhaps it wasn't as big of a deal as I thought.
    1973-76 Cutlass dash
    1977 Cutlass dash
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I used to love I Dream of Jeannie when I was younger, but I think Bewitched has weathered better. Bewitched also tried to be a bit more relevant and serious, dealing with issues such as interracial marriage, discrimination, etc, whereas I Dream of Jeannie, all too often, was just zany, goofy, and tiring after awhile.

    That's not to say that Bewitched couldn't wear on you after awhile, either. It started getting to the point that Derwood would mouth off to one of the relatives, and either Endora, Serena, Uncle Arthur, or even that old lady who ran the boarding house in "The Waltons" would turn him into something. He's damn lucky they didn't just wish him off to the cornfield and have done with him!

    As a kid, I always got a kick out of how Sam and Darrin's house doubled for the Bellows' house in I dream of Jeannie, and the Kravitzes house doubled for Major Nelson's house. It must have been a bit of a logistical challenge for the filming crews. And I can just imagine Mrs. Bellows having to explain to her husband what that young ad exec in the Camaro was doing pulling up in the driveway while he was at work, while Abner was grilling Mrs. Kravitz about having those young astronauts in their GTO's and Firebirds over while he was out and about!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Darren must've been a man of good character because a sleazy guy would've constantly asked Samantha for money, power, and to get rid of people in his way.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I always thought that. I'd have certainly asked for some specials....

    One of my favorite of who lived in the same house, on the exterior shots the Beaver lived in Marcus Welby's house.
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  • busirisbusiris Member Posts: 3,490
    Therein lies the problem...if that's the correct term to use...

    In 1965, the airliner to fly was the Boeing 707, yet you don't see any 707's in fleets today, nor do you see Boeing trying to capitalize off of the 707 in any significant way.. Yet, it really transformed air travel.

    So, for someone who was "car conscious" in 1965, 1 million Impala sales is impressive. Not so much for someone born in 1980.

    Remember, the video game console scene in 1980 was rules by Atari, but I doubt that's very significant to any active video gamer today under 35...
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Meanwhile, back at the TV set, the earlier Mr. Ed episodes were the best because Wilbur drove a Studebaker Lark.
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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    I've said this before, doesn't seem to register. Honestly, the Malibu has got more CURRENT positive equity than the Impala. If anything they should have kept the Malibu the same size instead of shrinking it, let the Impala die off, and just stick with the SS as a prestige model.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    You're preaching to the choir over here.
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    My family was pretty conservative with their money per cars, but full-size Chevrolets were popular with my family back in the 1960s.

    My Dad had a 1961 Chevrolet Biscayne.
    My Grandmom had a 1964 Biscayne.
    My Uncle Charlie had a 1965 Impala.
    My Grandpop had a 1967 Bel Air.
    My Great-Grandpop had a 1967 Biscayne.
    My Uncle Daniel had a 1970 Impala Custom.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I'm waiting for the Impala and SS. My Grand Marquis is getting pretty miled-up and I'm trying to resist the temptation to get something else.in thr meantime.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    edited September 2012
    I'm waiting for the Impala and SS.

    This is what I'm talking about. Do they really need three cars to cover the mid-to-full category? Most manufacturers do it with two (a "standard model" and a higher end "prestige" model), and a few (Mazda, Honda, Mitsubishi) make do with one and just let the higher trims fill the "prestige" role. As it is, not only is GM competing with itself, but Chevrolet is competing with itself here.

    Whee everyone else has for all intents and purposes merged the midsize and full-size categories, GM shrunk one of their cars in order to re-create the two distinct categories. And then they go and plan TWO cars for the full-size category anyway, the Impala and the SS. How much does it cost to create, build, and market three models in a segment that could be filled (theoretically) by one car? And how much is that going to eat into profits? The only other manufacturer that does this ALSO needed a government bailout. Which should form an obvious pattern.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    It's hard for someone who wasn't around then to understand, but probably up until 1980 or so, the full-size Chevrolet was ubiquitous--it was THE family car. People bought one after another after another after another. It had the best resale value back at a time when people traded every three years or so, and they kept the styling and options fresh enough to keep people interested. It'd be like a Camry today...if they offered six body styles and 18 colors on a Camry like they did in full-size Chevrolets back then. Of the core crew of my high-school friends--six of us--only one's parents didn't own a current or late-model Impala--they had a four-door Plymouth Satellite.
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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    It'd be like a Camry today.

    And there's the whole argument in a nutshell. :shades:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    My Grand Marquis is getting pretty miled-up and I'm trying to resist the temptation to get something else.in thr meantime.

    Eh, I don't want to hear you say "miled up" and "Grand Marquis" in the same sentence, until you've gotten it up to ~230,000 miles like my buddy did with his '04 Crown Vic. Or at least, to 175,000, like he did with his previous car, a '95 Grand Marquis! :P

    I'll be curious to see how the new Impala turns out as well. It's essentially the current LaCrosse, in different sheetmetal and with a larger trunk. So, it may not be an automotive revelation, but should be worth looking at, I think.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    edited September 2012
    If I included the list to include all friends and family, it would read like this:

    Classmate's mother had a 1972 Impala.
    Best friend's Dad had had a 1973 Impala.
    Grandpop had a 1974 Impala.
    Neighbor down the street had a 1975 Caprice.
    Best friend's neighbor had a 1977 Impala.
    Best friend had a 1978 Impala.
    Parents of kid I went to church with had a 1979 Caprice Classic.
    Grandpop had a 1980 Impala.
    Another friend had a 1982 Caprice Classic.
    I had a 1987 Caprice Classic.
    Grandpop had a 1989 Caprice Classic Brougham LS.

    Heck, the Philadelphia Police Department had 1978 Impalas.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    It'd be ubiquitous like a Camry...except you could make a full-size Chevrolet an exciting car, by carefully choosing things on the colors and options list. Plus, oh, to choose, which coupe roofline? Fastback or formal? Which four-door sedan...pillared or hardtop? Convertible maybe? Super Sport option? Two or three seat station wagon? Ah, the luxury of choice...there was nothing like it.
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I dunno, the last time I was at the local Ford dealer for my Grand Marquis, I saw a nice low-mileage 2006 Lincoln Town Car!

    Must...resist...the.......urge......to............buy!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Heck, for a brief time you could've even got the Impala as a pickup truck, i.e. the 1959-60 El Camino.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    I was very excited as a freshman in college in the fall of '76, to hear from my buddy who still lived at home, "I saw your Dad driving a new '77 Impala!". He thought he'd surprise me when I came home on the weekend, but I knew already! It was bright red and a coupe. We traded in a '74 Sport Coupe which was a nice car, but this '77 was special to me at the time...new enough to get complete strangers asking you about it at a red light or the grocery store. I still like the cars today. If I could find one--preferably a Caprice, though--that didn't need some of the interior plastics dyed or a dash cover replaced at this date, 35 years later--I'd love to have one today.
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    My grandparents' list went something like this...
    1940 Chrysler Royal (Granddad had it when he met Grandmom)
    1949 Pontiac, bought new
    1952 Buick, bought used around 1955
    1955 Pontiac, bought used around 1958
    1960 (or '61, nobody who's still alive can remember anymore) Impala wagon (or Nomad or whatever they called the wagon then)
    1964 (or '65, again, nobody can remember exactly) Impala wagon
    1968 Impala 4-door hardtop with a 327
    1972 Impala 4-door hardtop with a 350
    1982 Malibu Classic Estate wagon with an anemic 229 V-6. And, don't get Grandmom started about those stationary rear door windows.
    1985 Buick LeSabre Limited

    I don't know what made Grandmom and Granddad get the Malibu, instead of another Impala or Caprice. With high fuel prices of the time, maybe that played into it? Plus, it was a versatile, roomy car at a sensible size. Sadly, that Chevy 229 was just too gutless in a car that size. My '80 Malibu coupe had the same engine, but in '80 it had an extra 5 hp (115 hp versus 110). Plus, the wagon body probably weighed about 200-300 lb more than the coupe. That Chevy 229 also wasn't very torquey, compared to, say, the Buick 231, Ford 232, or even the Mopar 225 slant six.

    Anyway, they hated that Malibu enough that it made them go back to a big, V-8 car the next time around!

    This was my grandparents on my Mom's side of the family. On my Dad's side, they preferred F-words, so we won't talk about them. ;)
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    There was a minty green 1978 Caprice Landau coupe that was parked in front of the local candy store all the time back in the day.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    Andre, the '77 Cutlass dash also added a 'brow' over the driver's part of the panel.

    I liked the '73 Cutlass when it came out, and in fact it actually outsold the Chevelle that year. But, I always thought the passenger side of the panel was plain, and the '77 revision added a trim panel over there.

    That first link you said mentioned swivel bucket seats on the Cutlass Supreme, but oddly enough, the picture shows the vinyl, non-swivel seats of a Cutlass Salon (manySalons had corduroy-like upholstery). The swivel buckets were only used the Cutlass 'S' model. Supreme's bucket seats were non-swivel, and the Salon used the high-back, almost 40/40 reclining buckets.
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    My best friend's Mom had a 1982 malibu Classic with the 229 that he would often drive. He later got his own 1980 Malibu with the 267 V-8. He didn't have that one for long.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    edited September 2012
    Oh, I know that minty green. Not a favorite! ;)

    In town, the local business supply store owner had a firethorn 4-door '77 Caprice Classic with bodyside molding, no pinstripe, and a white vinyl top. It had the F41 suspension so had the larger, pinstripe-whitewall tires and the scooped, plastic 'spoke' wheelcovers. I just would love that exact car but in a coupe. It had the red velour "Custom" interior--almost Buick-like.

    I didn't like the Caprices with bodyside molding AND a pinstripe..too busy down the side. One or the other was OK IMHO!
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    1977 was a banner year for Oldsmobile. They built 1,000,000 1977 Oldsmobiles mostly on the strength of the Cutlass Supreme. In fact, the 1,000,000th 1977 Oldsmobile was a Cutlass Supreme. Could you imagine ANY car selling 1,000,000 units today?
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    My folks had an Army-green '80 Monte Carlo (much like a current Camry color--handsome and not-often-seen then or now, IMHO) with the 229. It had gold factory painted pinstripe and an optional chrome 'belt' molding which looked nice. I had a new, light jade over dark jade '81 Monte Carlo, 267, posi, no air. It was stolen and I bought a demo '82 Monte Carlo, solid dark jade but with 229 and the interior they started calling the "CL" in '83. The 267 wasn't fast by any stretch but it was smoother than the six and sounded like a V8, at least.
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