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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall



  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,869
    EDR data is still "hidden". If you were to have an accident and had need of the EDR data you would not be able to obtain it.
  • PMOPMO Posts: 278
    Getting Gold was What Toyota was after in the Up hill when GM was at the Top,America was able to disqualify GM for its Employment of Americans and Toyota slipped in the back door to receive First place with Americans Laughing at GM,s loss. This win was at a greater cost than yet to be realize .The workers will loose at Toyota too. Toyota ownership will be a badge to remember on their cars.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I am not an engineer, so hope some bright minds here on this blog may have some good insight.

    So far no responses from other news outlets seen. But is just completed. Expected.

    All is verbal though. No written documents provided that I have seen. Noticed only small number of reporters asked? or were present it seems??? Why?? Don't know??

    Here is CBS link.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Richmond VAPosts: 177
    "Many here have asked why no expert witnesses from Toyota were questioned at the hearings. "

    So you are saying that they did not appear for the 3/2 hearing?

    "Toyota officials face Senate commerce committee hearing ...Mar 1, 2010 ... Toyota's chief quality officer and a top engineer will testify before a Senate committee on Tuesday in the third congressional hearing on ..."

    Meanwhile the lynching goes on and usual suspects at Edmunds cheer loudly.

  • beachfish2beachfish2 Richmond VAPosts: 177
    "If you slowed down, you might get 23 MPG. If you traded it in for a diesel, you would definitely get better fuel economy and no unintended acceleration problems and brakes that work too."

    1. Yes, that's obvious.
    2. Diesel is too hard to find around here and it's worse out in the countryside.
    3. My '06 Avalon didn't have UA and my '10 Highlander doesn't either.

    And your Liberty rides like a brick in addition to looking like one. Thick as a brick comes to mind for some odd reason.

    I did have UA with a '67 Chevelle and a '75 Datsun B210, but they got fixed and life went on. My father told me Friday that he used to have one or two episodes a year of UA as far back as the '30s. He was born in 1922 and was a State Trooper and then a trucking company safety officer. He put 113,000 miles on a new '52 Chevy in 12 months and that was just one year. Cars break sooner or later if you drive much..
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..why no expert witnesses.."

    Until NipponDenso or Denso US engineers are brought forward there can be no expert testimony regarding the Toyota/etc electronics and UA.
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    Yes, these articles are interesting. It's strange that what is so obvious to foreign observers seems to be hidden to us in the US. And it's not at all strange to see that the "big" US automakers, having lost out in the competitive marketplace, are now using their new-found political clout to try to eliminate competition by forcing them out of business!
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    Yes, it was. Thanks for helping here. I just came back. H-mmm just cut & pasted it - but didn't come through correctly it seems/

    Also from CBS - new report - while Toyota was doing webcast person in Prius has SUA/UA on freeway - calls 911 - CHP could only get vehicle to stop by getting in front of it and then applied brakes.

    Interesting when Toyota attempting to make claim this morning. I just go oh-oh!

    According to report CHP plan a news conference later. NOTE THIS HAPPENED IN SAN DIEGO. SAME CITY WHERE OFF DUTY CHP OFFICER AND FAMILY KILLED. WRONG CITY TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN. entMain;contentBody entMain;contentBody
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    My link that I put own regarding Toyota's webcast today was correctly past. CBS just had taken it down. Many thanks again for helping here.

    What do you think about that racing out of control Prius in San Diego that took 20 minutes to get stopped by that CHP officer's car?.
  • carbuff1171carbuff1171 Posts: 77
    edited March 2010
    What the guy from Stanford at the podium says about the premise of the "Dr. Gilbert test" is essentially what I was trying to say in post #2086 (which was in response to sharonkl's post #2076).

    The Gilbert test findings prove one thing, a gas pedal sensor can be modified to make the engine race. It just does not match the symptoms Toyota owners are experiencing based on NHTSA reports. I would be willing to bet that if during the Gilbert test with the engine racing, they had tried changing the shifter position to drive, neutral or reverse, that the ECM would have responded appropriately and shifted the transmission. In their test, the ECM was working as designed and just responding to the faulty input they were creating from the gas pedal.

    I realize that the point of that Toyota webcast is to discredit the Gilbert report, and in this case I happen to agree with Toyota. However what Toyota is not saying is that the problem the cars are experiencing is much more insidious than the Dr. Gilbert scenario.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    I think if I was gagrice I'd move out of San Diego.

    Ironic and timing was perfect since Toyota was in the process of making their own video version to deny any throttle problem. I'm anxious to see what the Toyota execs talked about. They testified they would have a nationwide SWAT team to investigate SUA.
  • carstrykecarstryke Posts: 168
    "I wonder what I'd get if I'd slow down?"

    you will never find out driving a toyota :P
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I thought they all seemed to be staying pretty "mum' through this investigation. GM did come out and make stupid statement, but haven't heard any other negative commets from oter manufactuers Maybe they just hope they are not the next one. News seemed to be making more an issue it could be a conspiracy, but I evaluated and that didn't seem logical conclusion that there was big push against Toyota. Too much to lose if Toyota fails on many points. All still seemed to point back to the horrible San Diego accident of CHP officer & family & their 911 call that was publicly released by CHP & became viral. The public outcry and the problems since. then. And this time it was a Toyota auto.

    Now today a Prius on freeway same city had out of control car- CHP stopped Prius. Can refer to my earlier post for link.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,602
    edited March 2010

    "The Highway Patrol responded. To get the runaway car to stop, they actually had to put their patrol car in front of the Prius and step on the brakes. The car eventually stopped near La Posta Bridge, but the whole even lasted for about 20 minutes."

    Toyota can't buy better advertising than this!!!!

    CBS report video on Prius runaway. toyota can't blame ABC for unbalanced, unfair reporting, now, can they?
    The Highway Patrols will have to give lessons on how to stop runaway toyotas.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 12,138
    there seem to be 2 camps in this discussion, one says i'm ok, so there is no problem.
    the other side says there seem to be a lot of complaints and there is something wrong.
    hiring a legal firm to be the front line, doesn't seem to be the right move, from a 'person on the street' view.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224
    We may have to put on more cops with big rear bumpers to stop all the Toyotas with UA traveling the highways. Will be interesting to see how the T Cult spins this one.

    It was a pretty frightening Monday afternoon for a driver in San Diego. The California Highway Patrol said the driver of a Toyota Prius called 911 around 1:30 p.m. to say the car's accelerator was stuck and he couldn't slow it down.

    The caller was driving eastbound on Interstate 8 near San Diego as this was happening, reports CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy. At one point the car was traveling at 90 mph.

    The Highway Patrol responded. To get the runaway car to stop, they actually had to put their patrol car in front of the Prius and step on the brakes. The car eventually stopped near La Posta Bridge, but the whole even lasted for about 20 minutes.

    California Highway Patrol is planning a news conference to provide more details.
  • sharonklsharonkl Posts: 660
    I do have news on now and reports are coming in out here about the Prius out of control today in San Diego. Seem to be showing Toyota's webcast today. Then show what happened couple hours later- Prius. I believe Toyota webcast was done in Torrence California. May be wrong. But if correct, these executives were only few hours away from Prius incident.

    CHP does say their car got in front of Prius and then applied his brakes - in most of news releases I bookmarked. But then when it came across TV on this one station - newsreporter stated driver stopped after CHP gave directions for him to pull emergency brake and keep applying pressure to brakes. News reporter said that stopped vehicle. But that explanation didn't sound quite correct???
    One report to at least 5 others saying CHP stopped.

    NOTE-one TV station San Diego claimed Toyota had dispatched tech to area to help.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224
    I think if I was gagrice I'd move out of San Diego.

    Worst part is they are everywhere. You just don't know when a Toyota will go berzerk and try and kill you. That incident was right past are little town and ended where we go to breakfast. La Posta Casino.
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