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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaMember Posts: 8,208
    edited January 2015
    ab348 said:

    fintail said:


    Regarding computers, I remember upgrading my old Windows 3.1 machine to 8MB of RAM (from 4), seemed like a Ferrari. I think it had a 100 or 120MB HD. Also paying like $150 for a 33.6 modem.

    Oh, I can top that.

    Back in 1981 I was at my first job and was essentially the systems manager. We had just bought an IBM System/34 minicomputer. 128K memory, 64MB hard drive, line printer, serial printer, 5 terminals. It cost something well over $100K.

    It was slow when more than a couple of the terminals were in use, so IBM suggested we max out the memory by adding another 128K. The cost: around $50K. That's right. It was on backorder for months too, and I remember the day when IBM called and said it had finally arrived and they wanted to come over to install it. When the guy arrived, he handed me this box a little bigger than a pack of cigarettes. I opened it and saw the memory card - a bunch of brown squares. It looked like a chocolate bar. $50,000 worth.

    Here is my computer story, going back to 1979.

    As sales manager, it was my job to prepare a budget each year. It was a tough task with pencil and paper. The first year we were computerized, I was astounded and amazed that I could change one estimate (guess) and it would filter through all the computations and change all the outcomes. It was like magic. We had one dumb terminal and all the actual computing, printing, etc. took place in one glass enclosed, temp. controlled room where everything was housed. This computer room was about 20' by 20' and was filled with equipment. One employee stayed in this room to oversee everything. You had to be on very good terms with her to coax her into printing your stuff on these huge green sheets of paper. The whole process made me feel very important as no one else was allowed to touch that dumb terminal that I used, which also had its own little room. Everyone thought I was a genius !

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,457
    Ok car buyers, if you used a smartphone for most of your recent car shopping/leasing experience and are willing to talk with a reporter about it, please email [email protected] no later than 10AM Eastern on January 30, 2015. Please include your daytime contact info and a few words about your experience.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,158
    edited January 2015
    Yeah, we had a computer room too, about the same size though not enclosed in glass. It had a water-cooled AC unit to keep things tolerable as the gear put out a lot of heat. IIRC the system unit ran on 220V. The peripherals used twin-axial cable which was very thick, like two coax cables encased in one insulator. It got noisy in there too when the line printer was running at 300 lines per minute.

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  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    All this old technology talk reminds me what I endured as a roving PBX tech in the mid-80's.

    Had a thermal paper terminal with audio coupler....300 baud... :p

    The horror....the horror...

  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,029
    slorenzen said:

    All this old technology talk reminds me what I endured as a roving PBX tech in the mid-80's.

    Had a thermal paper terminal with audio coupler....300 baud... :p

    The horror....the horror...

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H EdmundsAdministrator Posts: 11,126
    and another one... as if you keep your cars that long!
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,973
    stever said:

    Ok car buyers, if you used a smartphone for most of your recent car shopping/leasing experience and are willing to talk with a reporter about it, please email [email protected] no later than 10AM Eastern on January 30, 2015. Please include your daytime contact info and a few words about your experience.

    You better believe it! I don't do ANYTHING without my smartphone!

    Oh...... wait......
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,973
    Kirstie_H said:

    and another one... as if you keep your cars that long!
    A reporter seeks to interview the owner of a car from model year 2001-2004 that has problems not yet subject to a recall. Please email [email protected] to tell your story.

    That's quite the narrow band! Any upcoming stories in the 40+ or 5- range? LOL

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  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    henryn said:

    slorenzen said:

    All this old technology talk reminds me what I endured as a roving PBX tech in the mid-80's.

    Had a thermal paper terminal with audio coupler....300 baud... :p

    The horror....the horror...

    something-or-other Silent 700? Made by TI (Texas Instruments) ?
    I'd forgotten the model, but yes, I believe you are correct!

    Weighed about 12 pounds...
  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusMember Posts: 13,085
    Kirstie_H said:

    and another one... as if you keep your cars that long!
    A reporter seeks to interview the owner of a car from model year 2001-2004 that has problems not yet subject to a recall. Please email [email protected] to tell your story.

    You understand where you posted that, right Kirstie?
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 14,782
    The 3 is a fantastic car. I'd buy one if I wasn't addicted to horsepower. It's really a car that gets almost everything right.

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  • jpp75jpp75 DenverMember Posts: 1,463
    @‌ breld

    I definitely understand your comments on the Mazda3 and in fact it would be high on my list if I was looking for an economical choice. I keep meaning to go drive one but haven't yet, but the amount of features you get for the price is truly outstanding and that coupled with a great driving experience, seems like it would be hard to beat.

    As you said, it's about loving cars, regardless of the price or badge.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    I came close on the 3. But ended up getting swayed this time to a larger car. One thing I did not like was the drivers seat was a smidge small, and no power adjustments. The 6 had a great interior though.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    One thing I didn't mention but really appreciate in the Mazda is the "Command" knob they're putting in their cars. It's one of those minor things that you really get used to - having had them in previous and current BMWs and Audis, I find it much simpler and more comfortable to navigate the knob and buttons with your hand and your arm rested on the armrest, instead of manipulating a touchscreen while driving. Though the Mazda actually offers both the knob and touchscreen functionality.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    edited January 2015
    stickguy said:

    I came close on the 3. But ended up getting swayed this time to a larger car. One thing I did not like was the drivers seat was a smidge small, and no power adjustments. The 6 had a great interior though.

    Yeah - the 6 might win me over with its greater comfort and room. I bet if I wait for the 2016 model to come out, the much refreshed and updated interior will win me over. I've heard they should be hitting lots around March or April, so not a long wait (even for me :) ). And the S GT model of the Mazda3 does offer power adjustments for the driver's seat, though it's only 6-way.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    breld said:

    One thing I didn't mention but really appreciate in the Mazda is the "Command" knob they're putting in their cars. It's one of those minor things that you really get used to - having had them in previous and current BMWs and Audis, I find it much simpler and more comfortable to navigate the knob and buttons with your hand and your arm rested on the armrest, instead of manipulating a touchscreen while driving. Though the Mazda actually offers both the knob and touchscreen functionality.

    The 3 is a top rated drivers car -- It just seems so small and low. After spending more time in my Buick, the Prius is as small as I'll go and it actually is more midsized than compact. When the Prius goes, I'll be looking for something with a "thick" perimeter. Closing in on 70 -- goes with the territory.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,457
    @breld's review sounds great, but that small and low factor is a concern. Maybe we should just keep the van and go back to two cars.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    Steve, in your case, that is what I would do. Keep the van for 'bulk" duty, and get something smallish for everyday duty. best of both worlds!

    of course, I would never consider going down to 1 car in my household, so of course I don't think anyone else should do it either.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    I didn't want to exaggerate by saying the mazda3 felt similar in dynamics to our past 3-series, but this comment from automobile magazine where they picked the Mazda in a compact sedan comparison is interesting. And this was after they heaped praise on the Jetta 1.8t.

    Whether we’re driving a $200,000 luxury sedan or a $20,000 compact car, we can’t help but hope to magically find ourselves behind the wheel of a BMW 3 Series. We’re totally in the Goldilocks mode, looking for something that drives sporty but not too much so. It has to be compact but not small. It has to be affordable but not cheap. It’s not only a miracle that the 2014 Mazda 3 delivers the BMW-style personality that we prefer but also a revelation that any compact sedan meets this lofty standard at all.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    I found that article while searching for Jetta vs Mazda3 comparisons. The wife suggested looking at a GLI as another option.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    my son still has an obsession about trading his Jetta for the GLI that he really wanted. I think he will ride out the lease (just about to hit his 1 year anniversary) but no guarantee, especially if he starts making even more money!

    He will be home next weekend so we can go to the Philly car show. That should get him revved up. Plus he is taking the car in for it's first oil change service, and of course plans to roam around the lot and dealerships (the audi dealer is right next door, and they share the lot). An A3 could attract his eye too, though the GLI should give the same bang for less buck.

    He probably should stay out of the Porsche dealer that is right next to the VW store though.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 7,762
    I'll be in Philly next weekend after a business trip to NY all week.  Looking forward to the Auto Show with my Dad on Saturday if all goes to plan!
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    We are going the weekend after. Nice that they do it over 2 weekends to give you a choice.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,029
    That Jetta GLI is really a lot of fun. I just wish it were a little less expensive. They really charge a big premium to upgrade from the 1.8T to the 2.0T engine.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    That is true. used to be a big deal going from the 2.5l 5, but now, not so much. There are some other upgrades of course, but dynamically, not close to what it used to be.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXMember Posts: 3,029
    If they would sell me a Passat with the 2.0T engine for under $25k, I would be driving one right now. But they won't sell me a Passat with the 2.0T for any price, so...

    That leaves the Jetta. I can get a Jetta with the 1.8T engine for around $21k, but add the 2.0T engine, all of a sudden it's $28k?
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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,484
    henryn said:
    That Jetta GLI is really a lot of fun. I just wish it were a little less expensive. They really charge a big premium to upgrade from the 1.8T to the 2.0T engine.
    The Jetta Sport may be an option. It lacks some of the features but is supposed to have a sport suspension and bigger wheels. I'm not sure they made many of them though. 
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    Yeah - that Jetta Sport seems like a great option. Some may even prefer the standard 6-speed auto vs. the DSG (if you go the auto route). Even comes standard with navigation.

    I'll probably take a look at the GLI. Local dealers seem short on the 2015 model right now - even have some leftover "30th Anniversary" model left, which I like too. Right now, I might want something more differentiated from the wife's GTI, hence the Mazda3. Not to mention the GLI does a great impression of the GTI, but doesn't quite live up to it in the driving dynamics area (in my opinion).

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 14,782
    edited January 2015
    My 2007 MS3 isn't as polished or well-appointed as the current Mazda3 but I think it also delivers an exceptional driving experience- like BMW used to offer. Some excerpts from the December 2007 Car and Driver:

    It booms, it whooshes, it wails. It demands that your best sweaty-palmed driving skills be applied to the light steering and alloy pedals, and it rewards, delivering a type of demonic, antisocial fun in the same vein as burning ants with a magnifying glass.

    Based on a low-priced car, the Mazdaspeed 3 never feels cheap. Nor is it uncomfortable.

    Indeed, the Mazda's worst offense is its ability to generate repeated court summonses.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 7,762
    stickguy said:

    We are going the weekend after. Nice that they do it over 2 weekends to give you a choice.

    Yep. My Dad and I had gone every year for my entire life (even when I was in diapers) until I moved to Seattle, so I'm glad I get to make it back for this year.

    Plus, I'm starting the early hunt to replace my wife's 2011 Mazda3 with something a bit more family friendly. We'll likely flip it in the next year or so. On the list right now are the Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring, Honda CR-V Touring, Ford Escape and the BMW X1.
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,973

    It booms, it whooshes, it wails. It demands that your best sweaty-palmed driving skills be applied to the light steering and alloy pedals, and it rewards, delivering a type of demonic, antisocial fun in the same vein as burning ants with a magnifying glass.

    Based on a low-priced car, the Mazdaspeed 3 never feels cheap. Nor is it uncomfortable.

    Indeed, the Mazda's worst offense is its ability to generate repeated court summonses.

    Where did that writer go? We need more articles with this sort of imagery!

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 14,782
    Aaron Robinson wrote that article. Here's Patrick Bedard's take on the MS3 from the May 2007 Car and Driver:

    When it comes to power toys, anything worth doing is worth overdoing. Yeehaw! The 263 turbo horses tug at the steering and bust the front tires loose at silly speeds. The colossal brakes absorb speed like a Jell-O embankment. The driver's chair is deeply cupped in the backrest, just right for those Immelmann turns you've always wanted to try. The exhaust booms, the wind rushes, a shower of stones seems always to clatter off the belly. Everything in this car happens in italics.

    It's fun. Of course, the numbers are heroic — 101 mph in the quarter-mile at 14 seconds flat, 151-mph top speed. But the fun is deeper than extralegal velocities. The machinery works. The six-speed loves to play. The steering is always entertaining, passing along just enough unruliness to hint at an outlaw spirit, but not enough to confirm it.

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLMember Posts: 5,808
    Mazda3 is a great vehicle and much better now but the big snout and the smallish speedometer kept the wife from getting another one in December as it came down to it and the A3. I even considered one in the lighter blue color but again, that long hood and short rear deck just killed it for me. The safety features really are spectacular at this price point which says a lot for where the car industry as a whole is going. But once the wife opened the door to a German vehicle, and liking her A3 so much, the best alternative for me was the new 2015 Golf, and one spin around the block had me hooked, after that, nothing else I drove could compare. Really did want the Lexus CT, went back on three different days to test drive them and even brought the wife but just wasn't meant to be I guess...and looking back, glad it didn't pan out. For my needs, I got a vehicle that just checked all the boxes...end of story!

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602

    Mazda3 is a great vehicle and much better now but the big snout and the smallish speedometer kept the wife from getting another one in December as it came down to it and the A3. I even considered one in the lighter blue color but again, that long hood and short rear deck just killed it for me. The safety features really are spectacular at this price point which says a lot for where the car industry as a whole is going. But once the wife opened the door to a German vehicle, and liking her A3 so much, the best alternative for me was the new 2015 Golf, and one spin around the block had me hooked, after that, nothing else I drove could compare. Really did want the Lexus CT, went back on three different days to test drive them and even brought the wife but just wasn't meant to be I guess...and looking back, glad it didn't pan out. For my needs, I got a vehicle that just checked all the boxes...end of story!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    Sandy, I just got the latest issue of Consumer's reports. They included a Golf SE in the car review. I think it got an 85. they really liked it.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    No doubt the Golf/GTI is a great car - not to put too much weight on reviews and car mag ratings, but I don't think there's any comparison that it hasn't come out on top. And all that is corroborated by owners' experiences here.

    I keep telling my wife that if she hadn't chosen the GTI, that would probably be the easy choice for me in my current endeavor. I promise her I hold no resentment over that and I'm just happy to have one in the fleet. And it opens up the door for other choices too.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJMember Posts: 10,379
    There are certainly worse fates in the world than having two GTIs.
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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    I agree - there are just enough other cars I'm interested in that I'd just as soon have the variety.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    fezo said:

    There are certainly worse fates in the world than having two GTIs.

    Don't worry. It will only be a temporary situation.

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJMember Posts: 10,379
    You think?

    I'm kind of waiting on the upcoming Mazdaspeed 3.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 42,162
    there is always something new coming along to be interested in.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 14,763
    @breld‌

    Did you read the long term 20K wrap up on the Mazda 3s GT 6MT here on edmunds? Looks like it will suit you just fine & you'll be hey with it.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,457
    edited January 2015
    Here's the Mazda3 wrap-up link.

    It's funny that we have "both" of Sandy's cars and "some" of @breld's cars in the Edmunds fleet (well, a 2015 Volkswagen Golf GTI and the 2015 Audi A3).

    And didn't someone in here get a Mustang recently?
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 5,796
    @nyccarguy‌

    I did just read that, as well as the previous posts. Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like they had some growing pains with some squeaks and rattles, but nothing too bad, and hopefully issues resolved after the initial 2014 model year.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,484
    edited January 2015
    Went to the Louisville auto show with some friends tonight. It's now a "no sales" show but there seemed to be dealership employees on the grounds and there were a ton of dealership business cards strewn all over the place. So, still rather tacky. Acura, Audi, Jaguar, and Land Rover were conspicuously absent.

    Random thoughts: Pretty much all of the full-size pickups are insanely huge. The Chevrolet Colorado was very impressive, but the one on the floor stickered for a whopping $35k. I kind of liked the Highlander for some reason? The Volvo XC60 seems very small, like a CR-V for $20k more. I was impressed with Subaru's interiors. Hated the Mercedes CLA. MItsubishi had a sad little display. It's funny how some older designs like the Traverse/Enclave/Acadia and Edge have updated infotainment and backup cameras tacked on.
  • oldbearcatoldbearcat WVMember Posts: 197
    I went to the Charleston, WV, auto show, and, my thoughts were pretty much the same. Lots of huge trucks, very little of the high end cars. The show just seemed to lack pizzaz. Did stop and look a $33K Honda CRV Touring. Just not my cup of tea. I also looked at the new little M-B CUV, and, wife and I just didn't like the looks of it.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 14,782
    I stopped by a Dodge dealer today and sat in a Challenger R/T Plus(meaning heated/ventilated front seats, heated wheel, and several other gadgets). I really like the retro/modern style- to me the interior doesn't appear or feel as cheap as qbrozen found it to be. It seemed at least as nice as the 135i M Sport I looked at yesterday. Unfortunately, the Challenger I sat in was loaded up with all the nanny options plus a hole in the roof. In any event I honestly think I'd need to move up to the R/T Scat Pack, which gets you the 6.4 liter motor and Brembos. Car and Driver just tested an R/T 5.7 manual and it is only a couple of tenths faster 0-60 and in the quarter than a stock 2007 Mazdaspeed 3- so it's hardly a rocket ship.
    Rats!

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  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJMember Posts: 10,379
    Gotta hold out for that next Mazdaspeed I'm really hoping the do a the speed treatment on the 6 again. A hatch or wagon 6 is too much to hope for.

    If I end up in a GTI it's Mazda's fault.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 187,055
    fezo said:

    Gotta hold out for that next Mazdaspeed I'm really hoping the do a the speed treatment on the 6 again. A hatch or wagon 6 is too much to hope for.

    If I end up in a GTI it's Mazda's fault.

    fezo - I too am intrigued by the new Speed 3, especially if it's AWD. Hope they keep the price competitive - meaning high 20's to start and low 30's optioned up.

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