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driver100 · April 2016

jmonroe said:
ab348 said:

Nope. Look to the right, above the picture. It says 2015.
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ab,

'drivers' first 2016 listing does in fact show a 2015 as you mentioned but the second 2016 listing shows a 2016.

I guess this means we are now back to where this all started.

jmonroe

Thanks for noticing that JM. Maybe he bought it where Mike took his test drive, and maybe he believes he bought a 2016.

jmonroe · April 2016

driver said:

I am tempted to buy that Genesis myself.........$38K!
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That is the car I test drove in the Akron area last April on the way back from Cleveland when I went with Son #1 to get his 2013 G37. That 2015 Genny was the color that I thought I wanted, Parisian Gray, but it did not have the Ultimate Package so I passed on that car.

I'm with you, that price looks pretty damn good. Maybe I should buy it as a spare.

Especially since it's starting to look like the 2015 Genny may be the only year the new design, starting in 2015, has a V8. Starting in 2017 the Genny will be re-named G80. That should make a 2015 V8 a collectable edition, right?.

jmonroe

imidazol97 · April 2016

jmonroe said:
I'm with you, that price looks pretty damn good. Maybe I should buy it as a spare. Especially since it's starting to look like the 2015 Genny may be the only year the new design, starting in 2015, has a V8. Starting in 2017 the Genny will be re-named G80. That should make a 2015 V8 a collectable edition, right? jmonroe

How big is your garage? A spare?

oldfarmer50 · April 2016

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:
Everybody loves to ride in a Mustang:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/burglary-suspects-mustang-convertible-lead-wild-police-chase/story?id=38235360
Was that you oldfarmer?

Nah, you'd never catch me taking selfies.

oldfarmer50 · April 2016

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
well, speak of the devil. A nice V8 2015, MSRP 52k+, listed for 38.5k

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2015-Hyundai-Genesis-4dr_Sdn_V8_5.0L_RWD-Philadelphia-PA/2589891233

I am tempted to buy that Genesis myself.........$38K!

That's a pretty good deal..$13k off. About 25%. Wonder how much more is still left on that deal. What if you offered to buy at $15k off? They sound pretty motivated.

What does that kind of discount do to the value of other 2015s? I'd hate to be in a position where I HAD to trade in a one year old Genny.

abacomike · April 2016

oldfarmer50 said:

well, speak of the devil. A nice V8 2015, MSRP 52k+, listed for 38.5k http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2015-Hyundai-Genesis-4dr_Sdn_V8_5.0L_RWD-Philadelphia-PA/2589891233
I am tempted to buy that Genesis myself.........$38K!
That's a pretty good deal..$13k off. About 25%. Wonder how much more is still left on that deal. What if you offered to buy at $15k off? They sound pretty motivated. What does that kind of discount do to the value of other 2015s? I'd hate to be in a position where I HAD to trade in a one year old Genny.

Edmunds lists the G90 and G80 but with no info. So it would seem the rebadging of the Genesis is going to happen pretty soon. Maybe that's why they stopped producing the V8 model so early in the year.

abacomike · April 2016

abacomike · April 2016

The above photo is the new G80 which is supposed to debut in late summer.

oldfarmer50 · April 2016

abacomike said:
The above photo is the new G80 which is supposed to debut in late summer.

Another car company going to letters and number which evokes no image in your mind. When I hear Genesis I immediately think of a luxury car or a sporty coupe.

G80 draws a blank. Wouldn't even know which company it was from.

stickguy · April 2016

If I was close to ready, I would be calling my sales dude for a lease quote on the 2015. I suspect it is going to be hard to pass up low.

That is also their only 15 left, so deals won't be around much longer.

stickguy · April 2016

Tom, what did carsmack give you for the mustang? Obviously no reconditioning required, so. Curious to know what their normal markup is.

driver100 · April 2016

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
well, speak of the devil. A nice V8 2015, MSRP 52k+, listed for 38.5k

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2015-Hyundai-Genesis-4dr_Sdn_V8_5.0L_RWD-Philadelphia-PA/2589891233

I am tempted to buy that Genesis myself.........$38K!
That's a pretty good deal..$13k off. About 25%. Wonder how much more is still left on that deal. What if you offered to buy at $15k off? They sound pretty motivated.

What does that kind of discount do to the value of other 2015s? I'd hate to be in a position where I HAD to trade in a one year old Genny.

I do think of my friend's experience with a 2013 or 14 Genesis. To be brief, he had a Maserati, couldn't drive it in the winter, got a Fiat 500, wife saw they didn't score high in crash tests, bought the 2013/14 Genesis and loved it for 2 months. Got a $48k car (Cdn price) for $35K.

Then the new models came out with a lot more extras for the same MSRP and his 1 year old Genesis sank in value to $24k. Also, he got no satisfaction out of driving it. High content but not a driver's car.

It looks like the Genesis has improved a lot in that department, but he was pretty angry and I don't think no matter how good a car it is, he would buy another one.

driver100 · April 2016

abacomike said:
The above photo is the new G80 which is supposed to debut in late summer.

Looks the same doesn't it?

stickguy · April 2016

I think it is just a rebadge now. The new design just came out.

If I got one of these, it would either be a lease, or used.

jmonroe · April 2016

Mike said:

The above photo is the new G80 which is supposed to debut in late summer.
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Mike, that color looks like my car, Empire State Gray. According to Mrs. j that is an "old mans" car color !

'imid', Maybe I could put Mrs. j's Subie in the driveway. After all it's just a grocery getter not like a wannabe luxo car like a Genny. If I wasn't afraid of her famous left-hook I might consider it.

'farmer', I agree with you about the re-naming of cars. Maybe it's OK to call it a G80 model but not the name of the car line itself. Bring back the old days.

Damn, maybe Mrs. j is right.

jmonroe

abacomike · April 2016

stickguy said:

I think it is just a rebadge now. The new design just came out. If I got one of these, it would either be a lease, or used.

I would probably lease if residuals and money factors were good.

abacomike · April 2016

jmonroe said:

Mike said: The above photo is the new G80 which is supposed to debut in late summer. __________________________________________________________________________________ Mike, that color looks like my car, Empire State Gray. According to Mrs. j that is an "old mans" car color ! 'imid', Maybe I could put Mrs. j's Subie in the driveway. After all it's just a grocery getter not like a wannabe luxo car like a Genny. If I wasn't afraid of her famous left-hook I might consider it. 'farmer', I agree with you about the re-naming of cars. Maybe it's OK to call it a G80 model but not the name of the car line itself. Bring back the old days. Damn, maybe Mrs. j is right. jmonroe

Definitely the right color for you considering you ARE old! Besides, Mrs. JM is never wrong - RIGHT! But it is a nice gray!

oldfarmer50 · April 2016

stickguy said:
I think it is just a rebadge now. The new design just came out.

If I got one of these, it would either be a lease, or used.

Smart move to by used with that kind of depreciation. A 2 year old might be half price. What a bargain.

driver100 · April 2016

jmonroe said:
Mike said:

The above photo is the new G80 which is supposed to debut in late summer.
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Mike, that color looks like my car, Empire State Gray. According to Mrs. j that is an "old mans" car color !

'imid', Maybe I could put Mrs. j's Subie in the driveway. After all it's just a grocery getter not like a wannabe luxo car like a Genny. If I wasn't afraid of her famous left-hook I might consider it.

'farmer', I agree with you about the re-naming of cars. Maybe it's OK to call it a G80 model but not the name of the car line itself. Bring back the old days.

Damn, maybe Mrs. j is right.

jmonroe

If you put Mrs. JM's Subie in the driveway she will negotiate for more furniture

That G80 name sounds like some other names....aren't there G7s and Q80s around?

Mr_Shiftright · April 2016

Sounds like a DMV form. Did you file your G80?

qbrozen · April 2016

On the Genny discussion: just remember that deep discounts up front usually translate to awful resale. Sounds much like my CTS deal. $12k off sticker yet still depreciated another $13k in just 1 year.

henryn · April 2016

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
I think it is just a rebadge now. The new design just came out.

If I got one of these, it would either be a lease, or used.
Smart move to by used with that kind of depreciation. A 2 year old might be half price. What a bargain.

Did you mean half of MSRP ($52k) ? Or half of actual selling price ($38k) ? A 2 year old Genesis can not be found for $19k, trust me, I have looked. For $26k? Maybe, with careful shopping and patience.

abacomike · April 2016

oldfarmer50 said:

The above photo is the new G80 which is supposed to debut in late summer.
Another car company going to letters and number which evokes no image in your mind. When I hear Genesis I immediately think of a luxury car or a sporty coupe. G80 draws a blank. Wouldn't even know which company it was from.

To be honest, Hyundai probably had that in mind!

andres3 · April 2016

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

1906, the last time the Cubs made it to the World Series right?
Wrong in 1907 the Cubs won the World Series and again in 1908 and have been to the World series several times since but have not won it.

Also the 1906 Sox didn't have anywhere near the stats that the 1906 Cubs had. You have to look at the whole season not just on series.

Well, I just think winning the World Series is key to being proclaimed the best team. That's why I picked the '89 A's over the '88 A's that won 104 Games. Yes, injuries could (and usually are) a key factor in post-season losses for great regular season teams. Losing a starting player is HUGE, even for a deep team. To prove your case you'll have to show there were some key injuries, otherwise it falls under the below reason:

There's also the Bonds factor, good in the regular season, worthless in the Post-Season (no clutch). Having no clutch disqualifies separates the boys from the men. The true greatness from the mediocrity.

I think it has been said the Angels could have 82 wins by the All-Star break, and still not make the playoffs, for example.

qbrozen · April 2016

FWIW: it appears that dealers are dumping the Genesi at auction. A whole bunch have gone through in the past couple of weeks with under 1k miles. They are hovering around $38k-$39k.

2014 v8 R-specs with under 15k miles are $25k on average.

ab348 · April 2016

oldfarmer50 said:

G80 draws a blank. Wouldn't even know which company it was from.

I would assume it was an Infiniti.

verdugo · April 2016

nyccarguy said:

verdugo said:
Happy Birthday Brad! A Grand Cherokee SRT for a daily driver? Hope you have money set aside for speeding tickets.
Thanks @verdugo! I'll stick with the 175 horsepower Legacy for now and the foreseeable future. How's your GC doing? I might have to make arrangements to purchase that from you when the lease is up since it is a V8 and I know it is very well cared for:)

I'm still loving it. Thanks for the kind words. I got a really good lease deal, so I'm sure they inflated the residual. So it might not be such a good buy.

verdugo · April 2016

28firefighter said:

verdugo said:

jmonroe said:

BTW, it didn't take but a few steps to get to the Original Hot Dog Shop from Forbes Field.

Good old days for sure.

jmonroe
I went by where home plate used to be. Obviously Forbes field was way before my time. However, I did go to the O quite a bit. Nowadays there's an O at the CMU campus, so students don't even have to make the trek down to Oakland.

I only made trips to the O very late at night for much needed grease. Any other time, I was too aware of it being the only place on Pitt's campus where shootings occurred (three times in my four years at Pitt).

What years were you there? I also only went late. I don't think I've been in it during daylight hours.

I much prefer Primanti Brothers though.

ab348 · April 2016

abacomike said:

I would probably lease if residuals and money factors were good.

On the Hyundai Canada site, that V8 Genesis leased at $900/month C$ over 36 months. Seems crazy.

verdugo · April 2016

Mr_Shiftright said:

stever said:
Bonds, McGuire, Winfield, Joyner and a bunch of other "names" came through the Alaska Baseball League. Not that I got to see any of those guys but we did get to see a Piper Cub make an emergency landing in the grass beyond the outfield fence one evening. No night games (even if extra innings ran to midnight ).

Haven't made it down to see the Chihuahuas, a AAA team for the Padres, just some college ball here.
Wouldn't the Chihuahuas be in Little League?

Funny to hear about the Chihuahuas. They're going to play the Sacramento River Cats in July. I have some family in town so I was thinking of going to the game.

verdugo · April 2016

abacomike said:
I think I figured it out - I think it's the new Malibu. What do you guys think? The rear lights give it away, I think.

I immediately thought Malibu.

I'm not some great detective. I just happened to catch a Malibu TV ad that did the same thing. It's a good looking car.

jmonroe · April 2016

Mike said:

Definitely the right color for you considering you ARE old! Besides, Mrs. JM is never wrong - RIGHT! But it is a nice gray!
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Mike,

Age is all in how you feel and so far I feel pretty good.

Now for that bit about Mrs. j never being wrong. Well, that ain't always correct but who am I to tell her otherwise.

How what you like to come up here and tell her what I think? I'll be your corner man but I'll warn you right now...stay to your left so that you'll be out of range of her left-hook, you up to it?

jmonroe

tommister2 · April 2016

stickguy said:
Tom, what did carsmack give you for the mustang? Obviously no reconditioning required, so. Curious to know what their normal markup is.

$23k

verdugo · April 2016

abacomike said:

By BIL did his residency at the Magee Lying In Hospital and Pittsburgh Children's Hospital. Excellent hospitals. On one of our visits to Pittsburgh to see my BIL, we discovered the Park Schenley and their great cheesecake. Magnificent!

Schenley Park is great. CMU's campus is right next to it.

28firefighter · April 2016

verdugo said:

28firefighter said:

verdugo said:

jmonroe said:

BTW, it didn't take but a few steps to get to the Original Hot Dog Shop from Forbes Field.

Good old days for sure.

jmonroe
I went by where home plate used to be. Obviously Forbes field was way before my time. However, I did go to the O quite a bit. Nowadays there's an O at the CMU campus, so students don't even have to make the trek down to Oakland.

I only made trips to the O very late at night for much needed grease. Any other time, I was too aware of it being the only place on Pitt's campus where shootings occurred (three times in my four years at Pitt).

What years were you there? I also only went late. I don't think I've been in it during daylight hours.

I much prefer Primanti Brothers though.

Undergrad at Pitt 2005-2009, grad school 2009-2012.

jmonroe · April 2016

'driver' said:

If you put Mrs. JM's Subie in the driveway she will negotiate for more furniture
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'driver',

Don't start up with that again.

For those that don't know about this, it is a sore subject with me from the SFTSFL days and there were many posts about this. It had to do with Mrs. j wanting a new dining room set even though the one we had (still have) is in perfect condition. I might have lost that battle if it weren't for one of her friends who said, "I always liked that dining room set, why would you want to get another one"? I sure do like that friend of hers.

OK, that's the story and 'driver' I don't want to hear another word about this, got it?

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright · April 2016

verdugo said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

stever said:
Bonds, McGuire, Winfield, Joyner and a bunch of other "names" came through the Alaska Baseball League. Not that I got to see any of those guys but we did get to see a Piper Cub make an emergency landing in the grass beyond the outfield fence one evening. No night games (even if extra innings ran to midnight ).

Haven't made it down to see the Chihuahuas, a AAA team for the Padres, just some college ball here.
Wouldn't the Chihuahuas be in Little League?
Funny to hear about the Chihuahuas. They're going to play the Sacramento River Cats in July. I have some family in town so I was thinking of going to the game.

We have the Sonoma Stompers. They're pretty good. Games are way fun.

abacomike · April 2016

jmonroe said:

Mike said: Definitely the right color for you considering you ARE old! Besides, Mrs. JM is never wrong - RIGHT! But it is a nice gray! __________________________________________________________________________________ Mike, Age is all in how you feel and so far I feel pretty good. Now for that bit about Mrs. j never being wrong. Well, that ain't always correct but who am I to tell her otherwise. How what you like to come up here and tell her what I think? I'll be your corner man but I'll warn you right now...stay to your left so that you'll be out of range of her left-hook, you up to it? jmonroe

I'll take your word for it - left hooks are dangerous, especially when you know they are coming and you still get nailed!

jmonroe · April 2016

q said:

On the Genny discussion: just remember that deep discounts up front usually translate to awful resale. Sounds much like my CTS deal. $12k off sticker yet still depreciated another $13k in just 1 year.
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q,

When we got Mrs. j's '12 Subie in November of 2011, Subaru was offering 1.9% interest. I asked the salesman what the discount was because I wanted that since I was planning on paying cash. He said Subaru's policy is not to offer a discount because that would cheapen the resale value when the car is traded in. He went on to say that he hears this all the time and that I would be thankful for the no discount later on.

That is probably true if you trade in a couple of years but not so valuable when you keep your car for say 5 or 6 years or longer which we usually do.

We took the financing deal because it was the only deal Subaru was offering and it was pretty cheap money. I'm not sure if Subaru has the same policy today or not.

jmonroe

explorerx4 · April 2016

Picking up my new Honda tomorrow. I'm passing my 20+ year old one on to one of my kids.
Of course, I am referring to a snowblower.

driver100 · April 2016

jmonroe said:
'driver' said:

If you put Mrs. JM's Subie in the driveway she will negotiate for more furniture
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'driver',

Don't start up with that again.

For those that don't know about this, it is a sore subject with me from the SFTSFL days and there were many posts about this. It had to do with Mrs. j wanting a new dining room set even though the one we had (still have) is in perfect condition. I might have lost that battle if it weren't for one of her friends who said, "I always liked that dining room set, why would you want to get another one"? I sure do like that friend of hers.

OK, that's the story and 'driver' I don't want to hear another word about this, got it?

jmonroe

I got it...but, first, how much did you have to pay that friend?

stever · April 2016

verdugo said:
Funny to hear about the Chihuahuas. They're going to play the Sacramento River Cats in July. I have some family in town so I was thinking of going to the game.

If that one falls through, you can drive out to Albuquerque and catch the Isotopes.

explorerx4 · April 2016

Hartford has the Yard Goats.

oldfarmer50 · April 2016

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
I think it is just a rebadge now. The new design just came out.

If I got one of these, it would either be a lease, or used.
Smart move to by used with that kind of depreciation. A 2 year old might be half price. What a bargain.

Did you mean half of MSRP ($52k) ? Or half of actual selling price ($38k) ? A 2 year old Genesis can not be found for $19k, trust me, I have looked. For $26k? Maybe, with careful shopping and patience.

First one on the list... which means exactly nothing. Could be a salvage or something but seems they depreciate like a rock.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2014-Hyundai-Genesis-CPO/-3349451695484312760

driver100 · April 2016

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
I think it is just a rebadge now. The new design just came out.

If I got one of these, it would either be a lease, or used.
Smart move to by used with that kind of depreciation. A 2 year old might be half price. What a bargain.

Did you mean half of MSRP ($52k) ? Or half of actual selling price ($38k) ? A 2 year old Genesis can not be found for $19k, trust me, I have looked. For $26k? Maybe, with careful shopping and patience.

First one on the list... which means exactly nothing. Could be a salvage or something but seems they depreciate like a rock.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2014-Hyundai-Genesis-CPO/-3349451695484312760

It is a 6 cylinder and I believe the 2014 was the last generation model, which was probably greatly discounted when they knew the newer model would be a big improvement (that is what happened to my friend but not sure which years).

oldfarmer50 · April 2016

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
I think it is just a rebadge now. The new design just came out.

If I got one of these, it would either be a lease, or used.
Smart move to by used with that kind of depreciation. A 2 year old might be half price. What a bargain.

Did you mean half of MSRP ($52k) ? Or half of actual selling price ($38k) ? A 2 year old Genesis can not be found for $19k, trust me, I have looked. For $26k? Maybe, with careful shopping and patience.

First one on the list... which means exactly nothing. Could be a salvage or something but seems they depreciate like a rock.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2014-Hyundai-Genesis-CPO/-3349451695484312760
It is a 6 cylinder and I believe the 2014 was the last generation model, which was probably greatly discounted when they knew the newer model would be a big improvement (that is what happened to my friend but not sure which years).

Yes, the 8cyl. are much more about $26k just like henryn said. Wouldn't have thought the 2 cyl. would make that much difference on a non sports car. Still, that's some hefty depreciation. Not knocking the Genny, I was considering the coupe recently.

stickguy · April 2016

from looking at the new ones, it seems that the V8 has a lot of standard stuff that is optional on the V6. So hard to tell with the V6 what it has on it, since original MSRP can spread 10K.

abacomike · April 2016

One of the guys in my Condo Building just bought a BMW 535i in white with beige interior. He showed it to me this evening and it seems well designed on the interior - comfortable driver's seat, peppy engine, and good looking with the 19" wheels. He let me take it for a spin in the community. I found it to be less powerful than the CLS and the handling and cornering seemed pretty flat. Had no feeling for the road - the power steering seemed to "numb" the car's responsiveness.

But it is well engineered. I felt I sat higher up in the car than in my CLS. I really expected the Bimer to be sportier, but it was not.

He got a great deal on the car - MSRP was just under $65,000 and he paid $59,000 +++, no trade involved. According to TrueCar, it is about $1200 under invoice, but I know there is trunk money available. He is in heaven! He had just sold his Cadillac CTS to a guy in the next building. This is his first German car.

I wished him luck - probably going to be his last new car - he's 77 years old.

stickguy · April 2016

77? You would be good for what, another 10 at least from that age on.

abacomike · April 2016

stickguy said:

77? You would be good for what, another 10 at least from that age on.

Florida living is supposed to add 7 years to the life of the average human. So, life expectancy for him is approximately 84.

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll make it to 84 - too many things wrong with me. But I'm living one day at a time!

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