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jmonroe

'driver' said:

I park in the garage 99% of the time, but those remotes are an easy way for thieves to break into a house. And, it is nice and neat being built into the mirror....easier to find too when I go to press it. But, I wish they would find a better more consistant way to get it to work.
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'driver',

The way I set the Homelink on the Genny and the 2012 Subie was to push the "learn button" on the garage door opener, then quickly go to the car and push the button that I wanted to operate the garage door until the Red light flashed quickly. I had to do this because using the garage door remote didn't work the way the instructions said it would. Of course if you don't have a "learn button" on your garage door this method won't work for you. If you have the "learn button", try it...you might not need the sales guy to come to your house on Monday.

I must have missed something because I don't know why buying a 2017 solves the Homelink problem.

FWIW, I think the Homelink gizmo is VERY convenient and I wouldn't want to revert back to a garage door opener.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Just finished watching a documentary on HBO about the intertwined lives of Gloria Vanderbilt (Railroad Heiress and Designer) and her son Anderson Cooper.

I had no idea Anderson Cooper (CNN and 60 Minutes investigative reporter) was a Vanderbilt, son of one of the wealthiest women in the world and a member of the  truly infamous Vanderbilt and Whitney families.

If you didn't watch it, do so as I think it will be nominated for an Emmy - I really recommend this moving and somewhat sad documentary.

BTW, I did some additional research and found that the actor, Timothy Olyphant is also a Vanderbilt.  Amazing what you can find on the Internet.

If you dig deep enough you'll find that natioal media is full of connections to weathly people and politicians. Former press secretaries, operatives and relatives abound. Makes you want to be very careful what you believe.

driver100

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

The 535 is a little old in the tooth, and has fallen behind Audi and MB, but, nothing wrong with it....still a great car!

Maybe if you are 80 years old...

80 year olds count too!

The thing is, our tastes change over time, don't write off larger luxury cars altogether, the day may come when you prefer comfort and convenience over speed and agility. 20 years ago I wouldn't have thought I would be completely happy driving an E Class.

driver100

jmonroe said:

'driver' said:

I park in the garage 99% of the time, but those remotes are an easy way for thieves to break into a house. And, it is nice and neat being built into the mirror....easier to find too when I go to press it. But, I wish they would find a better more consistant way to get it to work.
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'driver',

The way I set the Homelink on the Genny and the 2012 Subie was to push the "learn button" on the garage door opener, then quickly go to the car and push the button that I wanted to operate the garage door until the Red light flashed quickly. I had to do this because using the garage door remote didn't work the way the instructions said it would. Of course if you don't have a "learn button" on your garage door this method won't work for you. If you have the "learn button", try it...you might not need the sales guy to come to your house on Monday.

I must have missed something because I don't know why buying a 2017 solves the Homelink problem.

FWIW, I think the Homelink gizmo is VERY convenient and I wouldn't want to revert back to a garage door opener.

jmonroe

I like Homelink too if I can get it working. I think it is the car or my overhead opener, because we reset my wife's garage door using the method you just described JM. I have tried it several dozen times now and mine doesn't work, and the one in Florida I needed help with......a Homelink agent on the phone for an hour and a half, so I tend to think it is the device.

I am also thinking Homelink in Florida tried really hard to fix the problem, and I don't think they wanted Mercedes to find out I had a problem. I got the impression they don't want it to reach that level.

When Homelink works it is a beautiful thing.

stever

I have Homelink in my visor but the range is poor. I can use the garage remote a half block away and not have to stop at the door waiting for it to go up.

suydam

I had Homelink on my previous vehicle and loved it. But for some reason Honda saw fit to leave it off the 2013 EX-L Accord. For those of you bashing the Altima, by the way, it was standard that year. We almost bought the Altima for that reason but I just didn't care for the sound of their CVT. The new transmitters are very small and really I don't see much difference. I see it as a nice but not necessary amenity.

carnaught

Having had mostly German and Japanese cars, I've found that the Homelink on the latter cars recognize the garage door codes more readily, although I've always gotten both to work. Never had to wrestle with the German cars more than two or three times to get their Homelinks to work, however. Wish my Encore had Homelink.

imidazol97

The Homelink in in my Malibu have worked the way they should. Same for the ones in my dear departed leSabres.. Three buttons that can be programmed to different garage doors whether one's in Florida and one Ohio or if they are next to each other on a multidoor garage. Any of the buttons can be programmed to remote lights, the gates at the end of the long sweeping driveway to a mansion at the top of the hill, or as in reality the garage at the end of a a short driveway. LOL

ab348

You wouldn't think something as relatively simple as a garage door opener would be such a problem for automotive engineers.

imidazol97

ab348 said:

You wouldn't think something as relatively simple as a garage door opener would be such a problem for automotive engineers.

But even cell phones and connectivity have caused problems. I've never end tried to connect my Bluetooth phone to the '14 Malibu. I have no idea what all I can do on our phones while in that car. I need a Genius from the Knowledge Bar at the local Microcenter to come show me. LOL

ab348

imidazol97 said:

But even cell phones and connectivity have caused problems. I've never end tried to connect my Bluetooth phone to the '14 Malibu. I have no idea what all I can do on our phones while in that car. I need a Genius to come show me.

But cellphones are far more complex than a GDO - at least I would assume so.

stever

That reminds me - my garage door has not failed to open since I cleaned the "lubricant" from the tracks a couple of months ago. Not sure what the prior owners put in there but it didn't work.

sda

suydam said:

I had Homelink on my previous vehicle and loved it. But for some reason Honda saw fit to leave it off the 2013 EX-L Accord. For those of you bashing the Altima, by the way, it was standard that year. We almost bought the Altima for that reason but I just didn't care for the sound of their CVT. The new transmitters are very small and really I don't see much difference. I see it as a nice but not necessary amenity.

Since I don't use the sunglasses holder, they tend to rattle in there, I attached my garage door opener in the sunglasses holder with a piece of Velcro. Works perfectly. The garage door opener is out of sight when driving and parked. I just open the sunglasses holder, press the button, viola!, and close it. My cheap Homelink.

suydam

Mine just clips to the visor.almost in the same position as Homelink.

graphicguy

Caddy home link was easy to setup.

I haven't touched my manual(s).

Most of the electronics are fairly self explanatory. And, I use the NAV, music, radio, podcast, calling features through the in car NAV screen via CarPlay, so they're as easy to use as my iPhone.

Car tells me when it's time to change the oil. It also tells me if something is wrong with the car. It tells me when I'm crossing a lane line, and puts me back on course when that does happen. It tells me when I am coming up on a car in front of me too quickly, and will brake if it senses I'm not able/capable of braking to avoid an accident.

It's just a matter of time before the phone will control many of the car's functions, especially entertainment and route guidance. My iPhone's voice recognition is better than that of any car I've ever been in that has their own voice recognition. Nothing to memorize, either.

Pretty simple...."hey Siri....get directions to the nearest dive bar" and before I know it, I've got a map and voice directions on the screen, either in the big screen or the little one between the speedo and RPMs.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

The Homelink in in my Malibu have worked the way they should. Same for the ones in my dear departed leSabres.. Three buttons that can be programmed to different garage doors whether one's in Florida and one Ohio or if they are next to each other on a multidoor garage. Any of the buttons can be programmed to remote lights, the gates at the end of the long sweeping driveway to a mansion at the top of the hill, or as in reality the garage at the end of a a short driveway. LOL

Makes me think the Homelink may work better depending on the make of the garage door opener.

btw, whan my wife was looking at 2013 bmw 328s and 335s she really wanted the 335 because of the Homelink, but the car costs about $5000 more....expensive garage door opener. Thank goodness the Audi A4 which we got came with Homelink and cost $11k less than the bmw.

driver100

ab348 said:

You wouldn't think something as relatively simple as a garage door opener would be such a problem for automotive engineers.

Once again, if they can get a guy to the moon..................

driver100

imidazol97 said:

ab348 said:

You wouldn't think something as relatively simple as a garage door opener would be such a problem for automotive engineers.

But even cell phones and connectivity have caused problems. I've never end tried to connect my Bluetooth phone to the '14 Malibu. I have no idea what all I can do on our phones while in that car. I need a Genius from the Knowledge Bar at the local Microcenter to come show me. LOL

Can you take the car to your sales rep or dealer? Let them fiddle around with it, if they can't get it to work there is a real problem. And, I presume they want your business again.

sda

suydam said:

Mine just clips to the visor.almost in the same position as Homelink.

This is what it looks like, and works well.

sda

My wife and daughter are visiting relatives this weekend. It gave me a chance to pull out some old albums and turn up the volume. I enjoyed listening without being told it was too loud or something like that. Can't wait for them to get home, however, I miss them.

jmonroe

'stever' said:

I have Homelink in my visor but the range is poor. I can use the garage remote a half block away and not have to stop at the door waiting for it to go up.
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'stever',

The range for both my garage door opener and the Homelink seem to be about the same. If anything the range of the Homelink should be greater because you don't have to live with the battery slowly losing voltage overtime in the garage door opener. .

If I had more time and didn't hang out here so much I could get out my 100 foot tape measure and do this more scientifically but no one in here would really want me to take that much time off from being in here, right?

jmonroe

jmonroe

'imid said:

Any of the buttons can be programmed to remote lights, the gates at the end of the long sweeping driveway to a mansion at the top of the hill, or as in reality the garage at the end of a a short driveway. LOL
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'imid',

I like Homelink so much that I'd consider moving my mansion close to the gate if I didn't have enough range with it.

jmonroe

berri

sda - I always liked Advent speakers because they were pretty neutral letting you actually have control over the bass/treble mix on your stereo. Too many speakers have too much bass favor.

isellhondas

suydam said:

I had Homelink on my previous vehicle and loved it. But for some reason Honda saw fit to leave it off the 2013 EX-L Accord. For those of you bashing the Altima, by the way, it was standard that year. We almost bought the Altima for that reason but I just didn't care for the sound of their CVT. The new transmitters are very small and really I don't see much difference. I see it as a nice but not necessary amenity.

I never once had a customer that said anything about Homelink being a desirable feature. I always got kind of a ho hum response when I explained it. This go's to show that what can be a big deal to very few people can be on little interest to the masses. I think what Honda tries to do is to eliminate costly items that few people care about.

When the new 1998 Accords were introduced, Honda did away with the folding mirrors. Now THAT apparently was a big deal to more than a few customers so they came back the following year.

berri

I had Homelink on an Odyssey. It was erratic. Maybe that was because I had to drive up a hill and then up a slope to my garage and had a large tree out front? I had two garage doors and tried Homelink on both. They were different brands, but neither one of them worked as well as the opener remote with Homelink. Perhaps the signal was weaker with Homelink, or there was metal between it's signal in the vehicle and the outside?

stever

@jmonroe, come on out (and bring your tape - my longest is 25').

I can press the remote at the corner of my driveway and hit the opener 100' away (sometimes it helps to take it off the visor and aim it through the garage windows ).

Doesn't seem to make any difference with Homelink if the visor is up or down or to the side. My guess is that it only reaches 25' at best.

btw, if it helps with the motivation, it's sunny and 75 °F today.

suydam

isellhondas said:

suydam said:

I had Homelink on my previous vehicle and loved it. But for some reason Honda saw fit to leave it off the 2013 EX-L Accord. For those of you bashing the Altima, by the way, it was standard that year. We almost bought the Altima for that reason but I just didn't care for the sound of their CVT. The new transmitters are very small and really I don't see much difference. I see it as a nice but not necessary amenity.

I never once had a customer that said anything about Homelink being a desirable feature. I always got kind of a ho hum response when I explained it. This go's to show that what can be a big deal to very few people can be on little interest to the masses. I think what Honda tries to do is to eliminate costly items that few people care about.

When the new 1998 Accords were introduced, Honda did away with the folding mirrors. Now THAT apparently was a big deal to more than a few customers so they came back the following year.

Maybe times have changed. When I told the Honda salesman I was not sure about not having Homelink he said a lot of people wanted it and they were hopeful it would be available on at least the EX level soon. At the time it was only on the V6. I don't know if they've made it available now on the 4 cyl.

verdugo

snakeweasel said:

I always chuckle when I hear that "zero emission" crap about electric cars. Where do you think the electricity comes from?

My utility generates 37% from renewable sources, 10% from hydroelectric, and 41% from gas. That's almost 80% from green or pretty green sources.

They also offer a program called "Greenergy mix" where for a small fee 50% or 100% of the electricity comes from renewable resources.

I am part of the 100% program -- it's only $7 extra per month. So when I charge my car at home, I know that 100% of the electricity comes from renewable resources. In 2014, it was 28% biomass & waste, 54% small hydroelectric, 1% solar, 17% wind. I can't find the 2015 numbers.

roadburner

driver100 said:

The thing is, our tastes change over time, don't write off larger luxury cars altogether, the day may come when you prefer comfort and convenience over speed and agility. 20 years ago I wouldn't have thought I would be completely happy driving an E Class.

I'm 59 years old, and since the age of 16 people have been telling me I'll get tire of small, fast, and sporty cars- and that I'd soon come to appreciate a huge Barcalounger on wheels. While it's true that 95% of my hot rodder friends eventually descended into Practical Automotive Appliance Hell, I still love small nimble cars with "too much" horsepower- diito for my motorcycles. Perhaps my tastes will change over the next two decades, but I doubt it.

roadburner

imidazol97 said:

ab348 said:

You wouldn't think something as relatively simple as a garage door opener would be such a problem for automotive engineers.

But even cell phones and connectivity have caused problems. I've never end tried to connect my Bluetooth phone to the '14 Malibu. I have no idea what all I can do on our phones while in that car. I need a Genius from the Knowledge Bar at the local Microcenter to come show me. LOL

It took me less than 10 minutes to program the Homelink button in my 2er to operate my rolling code door opener. As for my phone, I paired it in less than a minute right after I took delivery of the car. No dropped calls or other issues yet...

abacomike

roadburner said:

The thing is, our tastes change over time, don't write off larger luxury cars altogether, the day may come when you prefer comfort and convenience over speed and agility. 20 years ago I wouldn't have thought I would be completely happy driving an E Class.

I'm 59 years old, and since the age of 16 people have been telling me I'll get tire of small, fast, and sporty cars- and that I'd soon come to appreciate a huge Barcalounger on wheels. While it's true that 95% of my hot rodder friends eventually descended into Practical Automotive Appliance Hell, I still love small nimble cars with "too much" horsepower- diito for my motorcycles. Perhaps my tastes will change over the next two decades, but I doubt it.

I hope not.  Fast, nimble cars with lots of horsepower are my dream cars.  The day I went over to try out the Hyundai Genesis, I stopped off at the Chevy dealer right next door.  A salesman greeted me and asked what I was interested in.  I told him a Corvette Stingray was a bucket list item, which is true.  We went into the showroom and he opened the door to a $70,000 Corvette.  The seat was about the size of a motorcycle seat (Harley of course) and was 11-12 inches off the ground.  I just could not maneuver my derrière into that car.  We tried, and tried, and tried, but all I could do was put the tush onto the seat.  I could not move!  We needed two salesman to pull me up to my feet.

Unless I was a multi-millionaire who could afford to hire two valets to follow me in the Corvette so when I parked they would be there to pull me to my feet, there is no way I will be able to complete my bucket list.  But I still love high powered muscle - just not in the cards for me! 

ab348

stever said:

btw, if it helps with the motivation, it's sunny and 75 °F today.

We had 5" of snow overnight. Thankfully it is sunny and above freezing today so it is rapidly disappearing.

ab348

abacomike said:

We needed two salesman to pull me up to my feet.

Unless I was a multi-millionaire who could afford to hire two valets to follow me in the Corvette so when I parked they would be there to pull me to my feet, there is no way I will be able to complete my bucket list.  But I still love high powered muscle - just not in the cards for me! 

Just cough up an extra $20 for a Car Cane!

https://www.carcane.com/

sda

suydam said:

isellhondas said:

suydam said:

I had Homelink on my previous vehicle and loved it. But for some reason Honda saw fit to leave it off the 2013 EX-L Accord. For those of you bashing the Altima, by the way, it was standard that year. We almost bought the Altima for that reason but I just didn't care for the sound of their CVT. The new transmitters are very small and really I don't see much difference. I see it as a nice but not necessary amenity.

I never once had a customer that said anything about Homelink being a desirable feature. I always got kind of a ho hum response when I explained it. This go's to show that what can be a big deal to very few people can be on little interest to the masses. I think what Honda tries to do is to eliminate costly items that few people care about.

When the new 1998 Accords were introduced, Honda did away with the folding mirrors. Now THAT apparently was a big deal to more than a few customers so they came back the following year.

Maybe times have changed. When I told the Honda salesman I was not sure about not having Homelink he said a lot of people wanted it and they were hopeful it would be available on at least the EX level soon. At the time it was only on the V6. I don't know if they've made it available now on the 4 cyl.

From what I understand, Homelink is standard on the 2016 Accord EX and above. Also several models finally get a 60/40 split folding rear seat, which I wish I had on my 13. I have had to drive the Pilot on more than one occasion because of this limitation.

abacomike

ab348 said:

We needed two salesman to pull me up to my feet.

Unless I was a multi-millionaire who could afford to hire two valets to follow me in the Corvette so when I parked they would be there to pull me to my feet, there is no way I will be able to complete my bucket list.  But I still love high powered muscle - just not in the cards for me! 

Just cough up an extra $20 for a Car Cane! https://www.carcane.com/

Remember, I'm sitting 11-12 inches off the ground.  Even a car cane won't work!

But if you add an "r" to cane, that might work - as in a crane! 

sda

berri said:

sda - I always liked Advent speakers because they were pretty neutral letting you actually have control over the bass/treble mix on your stereo. Too many speakers have too much bass favor.

The Advents have been a keeper. Bought them when I was in college, actually put them on lay away and paid for them over 90 days. I was a college kid with limited $$. I had the foam suspension on the woofers replaced about 10 years ago, and they still sound nice. That set up in the picture is now a secondary system, the primary is in our family room.

Mr_Shiftright

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

The thing is, our tastes change over time, don't write off larger luxury cars altogether, the day may come when you prefer comfort and convenience over speed and agility. 20 years ago I wouldn't have thought I would be completely happy driving an E Class.

I'm 59 years old, and since the age of 16 people have been telling me I'll get tire of small, fast, and sporty cars- and that I'd soon come to appreciate a huge Barcalounger on wheels. While it's true that 95% of my hot rodder friends eventually descended into Practical Automotive Appliance Hell, I still love small nimble cars with "too much" horsepower- diito for my motorcycles. Perhaps my tastes will change over the next two decades, but I doubt it.

I'm older than you and I have no intention of surrendering to a Generic Transportation Module.

I do have my standards, though. No soft top, no automatic, no Corvettes.

My next target might be a used Porsche Cayman, or a turbo Mini Clubman.

I guess I've morphed into a fast-hatch kinda guy.

roadburner

sda said:

The Advents have been a keeper. Bought them when I was in college, actually put them on lay away and paid for them over 90 days. I was a college kid with limited $$. I had the foam suspension on the woofers replaced about 10 years ago, and they still sound nice. That set up in the picture is now a secondary system, the primary is in our family room.

My left and right units in my main home theater are 1990 Klipsch KG4 speakers. I bought them new; my dealer loaned me his demo units while my speakers were built to order. I think speakers of that vintage are better built and sound as good or better than most modern speakers.

andres3

abacomike said:

One of the guys in my Condo Building just bought a BMW 535i in white with beige interior.  He showed it to me this evening and it seems well designed on the interior - comfortable driver's seat, peppy engine, and good looking with the 19" wheels.  He let me take it for a spin in the community.  I found it to be less powerful than the CLS and the handling and cornering seemed pretty flat.  Had no feeling for the road - the power steering seemed to "numb" the car's responsiveness.

But it is well engineered.  I felt I sat higher up in the car than in my CLS.  I really expected the Bimer to be sportier, but it was not.

He got a great deal on the car - MSRP was just under $65,000 and he paid $59,000 +++, no trade involved.  According to TrueCar, it is about $1200 under invoice, but I know there is trunk money available.  He is in heaven!  He had just sold his Cadillac CTS to a guy in the next building. This is his first German car. 

I wished him luck - probably going to be his last new car - he's 77 years old.

In the condos where I used to live there was a very old man that would treat himself to a new car like clockwork every 3 years. Not much here, for those that make the same switch 3 times more often, but still, it was his splurge. He would get cars like the Sonata Hybrid and now the Camry Hybrid. Before that was an Azera, and then before that a Buick. He's into his 90's, and hasn't stopped buying cars.

andres3

roadburner said:

sda said:

The Advents have been a keeper. Bought them when I was in college, actually put them on lay away and paid for them over 90 days. I was a college kid with limited $$. I had the foam suspension on the woofers replaced about 10 years ago, and they still sound nice. That set up in the picture is now a secondary system, the primary is in our family room.

My left and right units in my main home theater are 1990 Klipsch KG4 speakers. I bought them new; my dealer loaned me his demo units while my speakers were built to order. I think speakers of that vintage are better built and sound as good or better than most modern speakers.

It really is a shame when the ability to have 2,000 songs on an IPOD that sounds like crap is more important to most people than a true hi-fidelity quality sound. I've downloaded 96/24 and higher bit rate FLAC files from online vendors that sell songs just like I-tunes, but with quality non-compressed music rather than compressed like a pancake crap. It costs more, but for me garbage isn't worth owning.

I suppose with $29.99 speakers sold at Target or Walmart it doesn't make any difference.

stever

We had a late lunch in a joint downtown; not known for their food but a duo we like was playing. They were terrific, and we just tuned out the occasional loud bike, the waiters, the people passing by the patio...

MP3s and internet radio are like that to me - the immediacy and/or emotional response or whatever trumps any audiophile stuff I may be missing (not that I'd know I was missing anything).

Back to Homelink, I straightened out my antenna hanging down from the opener and the Homeline range doubled to ~50'.

andres3

verdugo said:

graphicguy said:

Just saw that Chrysler announced they will be out of the small and mid-size car business by 2018, resulting in 1,200-1,500 wokers in Detroit losing their jobs.

Got a question for Chrysler MANAGEMENT. How about developing products that are dynamic, desireable, and saleable, inatead of displacing workers?

They are focusing on SUV's because that's where the money is at. Those 1,200 ~ 1,500 jobs is one shift at that plant. They will hire them back when they start building a SUV in that plant.

They'll "buy" a mid-size and small-size car from another company and rebadge them as Chrysler.

In Mexico, for a long time they sold a Hyundai car rebadged as Chrysler. Tiny little thing. It was called Atos. I think they now sell rebadged Fiat's as Chryslers, but I'm not 100% sure.

As long as SUV's keep selling like hot cakes, they'll continue looking like geniuses. But if the SUVs ever fall out of favor, watch out!

I think I've watched this show before. History repeats itself x 3.

jmonroe

'stever'said:

come on out (and bring your tape - my longest is 25').
btw, if it helps with the motivation, it's sunny and 75 °F today.
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'stever',

25 feet, is that all!! I guess you haven't built too many 40 feet and 48 feet decks. I don't know how I would have built those decks if I had to rely on a typical home owner teenee weenee 25 foot tape when I was setting the stakes to start building those decks.

Well, at least you got me when it comes to the weather. High in the Burgh area today was mid 50's. Your 75 sure does trump that. Tell ya what, I'll give you my deck building tape (no plans to build anymore of those beasts) for a weekend/bed and breakfast for Mrs. j and I in that nice weather you have. Going once, going twice, going...better hurry up so you still have time to build a nice party size deck to use this summer.

jmonroe

jmonroe

'stever' said:

Back to Homelink, I straightened out my antenna hanging down from the opener and the Homeline range doubled to ~50'.
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'stever',

C'mon man, I was going to point this out to you guys before but I was giving yunz credit for already doing that.

When I told Son # 2 to do what you did, he said, "do you think I'm an idiot ? I've already made sure the antenna is pointing straight down. Now, do you have anything that can help me or what"? I told him to splice a length of thin wire about 8 feet or so onto the end of the antenna and let me know if that helped.

He said he thinks he can open his garage door from the parking lot at work? I'm sure he was exaggerating but you get the idea.

jmonroe

stever

I thought about a deck. But all that shade beneath looks too inviting for the snakes.

Since everyone does hardscape out here and we're on rock, you could say we're on 2 acres of patio.

The antenna only had a small kink in it but the tweak did seem to help.

(oh, the tape swap is cool, but I'll probably stick to my 25 footer - it's an engineer's tape so I don't have to mess with fractions).

tjc78

@andres3 "I suppose with $29.99 speakers sold at Target or Walmart it doesn't make any difference. "

So true, I've got what I consider to be a pretty nice rig (B&Ws all around ) and my wife is content to walk around with her cell phone streaming Pandora. I even bought her a Bluetooth speaker that is collecting dust somewhere.

@roadburner Nice speakers, I'm still rocking a Klipsch powered subwoofer from the mid 90s and will continue to until it dies.

jmonroe

'stever' said:

(oh, the tape swap is cool, but I'll probably stick to my 25 footer - it's an engineer's tape so I don't have to mess with fractions).
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'stever',

I'd really like to get this deal done...so how about just me? I'll leave Mrs. j at home but you gotta tell her why !

jmonroe

abacomike

jmonroe said:

'stever' said: (oh, the tape swap is cool, but I'll probably stick to my 25 footer - it's an engineer's tape so I don't have to mess with fractions). ________________________________________________________________________________ 'stever', I'd really like to get this deal done...so how about just me? I'll leave Mrs. j at home but you gotta tell her why ! jmonroe

Something's rotten in Denmark, if you get my drift!  C'mon, JM, you are getting more and more devious every day! 

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Everybody loves to ride in a Mustang:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/burglary-suspects-mustang-convertible-lead-wild-police-chase/story?id=38235360

Was that you oldfarmer?

Nah, you'd never catch me taking selfies.

Are your arms to short?

jmonroe

Mike said:

Something's rotten in Denmark, if you get my drift! C'mon, JM, you are getting more and more devious every day!
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Mike, you live in a warm climate area. I'm tired of mooching off of my Delray Beach SIL. Don't get me wrong she likes having our company but I'd like to keep my options open by trying convince 'stever' that I'm a guest that won't come with too much baggage. There is nothing devious about that. Do you get my drift?

jmonroe