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driver100 · February 2017

I remember reading a top of the line Camry (probably priced considerably less than $30k) is almost the same car as an Avalon ($36K+).

This article says the same thing as do many more.
Compare Camry to Avalon

They said most people should buy the Camry based on the savings, the only advantage the Avalon has is larger back seat, softer steering and ride....which are things GG probably doesn't want.

I have a feeling there is a bigger difference between an Avalon and Lexus. I will try to find out.

suydam · February 2017

Hard to imagine a softer ride than the Camry.

graphicguy · February 2017

28firefighter said:
@graphicguy Do you need 4 doors?

Yeah....unfortunately, I do. My company won't reimburse me for a coupe or a convertible. Which are the main reasons I never pulled the trigger on an M235i I had my eye on a while back.

nyccarguy · February 2017

28firefighter said:

That 440 sounds awesome.

+1

nyccarguy · February 2017

28firefighter said:

@graphicguy Do you need 4 doors?

Yes. He needs a 4 door sedan for work.

graphicguy · February 2017

driver100 said:
I remember reading a top of the line Camry (probably priced considerably less than $30k) is almost the same car as an Avalon ($36K+).

This article says the same thing as do many more.
Compare Camry to Avalon

They said most people should buy the Camry based on the savings, the only advantage the Avalon has is larger back seat, softer steering and ride....which are things GG probably doesn't want.

I have a feeling there is a bigger difference between an Avalon and Lexus. I will try to find out.

I was kind of surprised how composed the Avalon felt. Like you, I had heard it was a better Buick. I only saw a Camry sitting in the showroom and glanced at it. Big difference in the quality of materials inside and out. So, not sure what the article you referenced was comparing. Yes, the Avalon is bigger, but it was also much nicer, inside and out.

Given a choice between a TLX 4 cyl or a 6 cyl Accord? Accord would get the nod. I'll always go for the bigger motor given the choice and the finances.

driver100 · February 2017

According to the article I read, although the Avalon has a flashier interior, they are both made out of the same fine materials....dials and knobs virtually the same.

I tried to compare a Lexus to an Avalon but couldn't find a review. If I look up the reviews for each they seem almost the same, but the Lexus has a few more features but it is about $6 or $7k more.

Check out one and then the other to compare

andres3 · February 2017

sda said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:
I am sensing though for this car, GG is likely more interested in something more "mature". Closer to the Caddy than a rally car! He does have the Cobra for fun time duty.

I would like to drive a WRX, but not sure I want to marry one.

Actually, I am kind of curious what would have happened if I had signed up for the Civic Si lease Wonder if I would still love it?
Given the price point ($30-40K) and the fact that @graphicguy has the SVT for fun duty, I figure something 1) reliable, and 2) luxurious.

I might also suggest the Kia Cadenza or Hyundai Azera, but only if he leases. The depreciation on those will kill you, but the lease cash almost makes up for it.

@nyccarguy - FYI, you can get 7500 miles per year on the 7-series only.

Honda offers 12K only; so does Toyota. Lexus offers 7500 miles, so the ES would work.

@stickguy - I'm getting to a point where comfort trumps sportiness. Though I am still impressed at the torque the Jetta puts out. I got on the highway today and was at 80 before I knew it.
Doesn't the torque of the Outback 3.6 spoil you? Of course, you were driving the Elantra more often, so perhaps that is why the Jetta feels like a rocket in comparison to that.

I do know my wife liked how the generally noisy CVT transmission was quieter in the 3.6 than the 2.5 Subaru puts out. She commented about how the car was very quiet as the engine and transmission don't have to work hard to get moving. You can keep the RPM's down if that suits your driving style.
@andres3 - yes, both the wife and I like the torque in the 3.6 Outback.

The Elantra and the Jetta have roughly the same HP (148 v. 150), but the torque definitely favors the Jetta. Being the dark grey, it's almost like a mini Q-ship as I maneuver around traffic around town.
From what I've read in the Jetta there is little performance difference between the 1.4 and 1.8, .5 sec roughly. The ready torque provided by a turbo really makes a car feel alive and ready with a seemingly almost endless supply of power. I enjoyed that aspect from the '06 Passat 2.0t that I had.

I'm not sure .5 seconds isn't a significant power and performance difference, but I would agree that if it is more power you seek, going from the 1.4 to the 2.0 GLI is the way to do it as far as Jettas go. I prefer the GTI myself.

driver100 · February 2017

Comparing a 2017 TLX the one glaring point to consider is they thought the 4 cylinder was a little lacking in power - they push for getting a 6.. Another negative you may not like GG is they find the infotainment system to be sub par. Between the Avalon, Camry, Lexus and TLX they are all pretty close in every category.

US NEWS TLX

28firefighter · February 2017

So, you're saying GG can't have 2 doors? I kid I kid.

What about a CPO BMW 335/435 or similar?

sda · February 2017

andres3 said:

sda said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:
I am sensing though for this car, GG is likely more interested in something more "mature". Closer to the Caddy than a rally car! He does have the Cobra for fun time duty.

I would like to drive a WRX, but not sure I want to marry one.

Actually, I am kind of curious what would have happened if I had signed up for the Civic Si lease Wonder if I would still love it?
Given the price point ($30-40K) and the fact that @graphicguy has the SVT for fun duty, I figure something 1) reliable, and 2) luxurious.

I might also suggest the Kia Cadenza or Hyundai Azera, but only if he leases. The depreciation on those will kill you, but the lease cash almost makes up for it.

@nyccarguy - FYI, you can get 7500 miles per year on the 7-series only.

Honda offers 12K only; so does Toyota. Lexus offers 7500 miles, so the ES would work.

@stickguy - I'm getting to a point where comfort trumps sportiness. Though I am still impressed at the torque the Jetta puts out. I got on the highway today and was at 80 before I knew it.
Doesn't the torque of the Outback 3.6 spoil you? Of course, you were driving the Elantra more often, so perhaps that is why the Jetta feels like a rocket in comparison to that.

I do know my wife liked how the generally noisy CVT transmission was quieter in the 3.6 than the 2.5 Subaru puts out. She commented about how the car was very quiet as the engine and transmission don't have to work hard to get moving. You can keep the RPM's down if that suits your driving style.
@andres3 - yes, both the wife and I like the torque in the 3.6 Outback.

The Elantra and the Jetta have roughly the same HP (148 v. 150), but the torque definitely favors the Jetta. Being the dark grey, it's almost like a mini Q-ship as I maneuver around traffic around town.
From what I've read in the Jetta there is little performance difference between the 1.4 and 1.8, .5 sec roughly. The ready torque provided by a turbo really makes a car feel alive and ready with a seemingly almost endless supply of power. I enjoyed that aspect from the '06 Passat 2.0t that I had.
I'm not sure .5 seconds isn't a significant power and performance difference, but I would agree that if it is more power you seek, going from the 1.4 to the 2.0 GLI is the way to do it as far as Jettas go. I prefer the GTI myself.

The 2.0 is the definite performer of the group and a great engine.

driver100 · February 2017

28firefighter said:
So, you're saying GG can't have 2 doors? I kid I kid.

What about a CPO BMW 335/435 or similar?

I think when it comes to company cars they want you to get 4 door cars, in case you leave on your terms or theirs, it is easier to give the car to the next guy.

Also, it just looks more professional, unless you are selling glamour products.

cdnpinhead · February 2017

It wouldn't surprise me if there were a tax law somewhere that said something to the effect that a car used for business purposes has to be capable of transporting four people comfortably, or some such.

How else would we end up with 1,496,482 pages of tax law?

houdini1 · February 2017

driver100 said:
According to the article I read, although the Avalon has a flashier interior, they are both made out of the same fine materials....dials and knobs virtually the same.

I tried to compare a Lexus to an Avalon but couldn't find a review. If I look up the reviews for each they seem almost the same, but the Lexus has a few more features but it is about $6 or $7k more.

Check out one and then the other to compare

You were comparing 2016 models. Maybe things changed in 2017, which I think GG is looking at. I also think the Avalon is supposed to have major changes on 2018 model.

oldfarmer50 · February 2017

Mr_Shiftright said:

oldfarmer50 said:
Anybody know anything about these cars? I'm ignorant of Japanese cars, particularly anything this old. Was this a desirable car? I like the style. I'd have to get driver100 to take a day trip to pick it up for me.

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/6000911053.html
AND the seller has a bad attitude AND the VIN is wrong.

VIN is wrong? How do you mean, is it a VIN for a different car or did the seller write down a few wrong letters?

Really a moot point since this is just another fantasy car for me but I'm impressed that you caught that.

Michaell · February 2017

@andres3 - baby steps. I don't think my budget would allow me to jump from the SE to the GLI in one shot. I could do the SEL or Sport with my next lease, then upgrade to the GLI after that.

But, things could change. And, they often do.

suydam · February 2017

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:
According to the article I read, although the Avalon has a flashier interior, they are both made out of the same fine materials....dials and knobs virtually the same.

I tried to compare a Lexus to an Avalon but couldn't find a review. If I look up the reviews for each they seem almost the same, but the Lexus has a few more features but it is about $6 or $7k more.

Check out one and then the other to compare
You were comparing 2016 models. Maybe things changed in 2017, which I think GG is looking at. I also think the Avalon is supposed to have major changes on 2018 model.

I just read that article. It said that EXCEPT for dials and knobs the Avalon interior is noticeably nicer.

oldfarmer50 · February 2017

roadburner said:
Cars I drove yesterday:
330e M Sport package: It had most every option. Surprisingly quick and relatively fun to drive.
M3 Competition Package: Fun but pretty hard core. I could live with it.
440i Gan Coupe M Sport: This puppy had the M Performance Power and Sound kit; pretty quick and sounded glorious.
Z4: Last one we have; strangely uninvolving; I'd rather have a 320i Sport with THP.

And to think you wasted all that time being a judge when your true calling was there all along. I love hearing the kid in a candy store excitement in your posts.

28firefighter · February 2017

The GLI is fascinating to me because while they're pricey (or at least, pricier) new, the seem to drop like a rock in value. My local VW dealer had a loaded up 2015 GLI (DSG, Xenons, Nav, etc.) with 20,000 miles for sale recently for under $20k CPO asking. That is a car that listed north of 30k+ new a couple of years ago.

I suppose Jetta's do depreciate quite a bit these days, so maybe that explains it, but I don't know that the GTI has been seeing as severe a drop in such a short time. Maybe I'm wrong?

explorerx4 · February 2017

@oldfarmer,
There is an algorithm for the VIN and the 10 digit is the check digit.

ab348 · February 2017

I like the looks of the GLI but the reviews I've read have been middling at best. I know the Jetta and the
golf no longer share much underneath the skin so perhaps the suspension just isn't as well-developed? Not sure.

roadburner · February 2017

28firefighter said:
That 440 sounds awesome.

Here it is...

Mr_Shiftright · February 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

oldfarmer50 said:
Anybody know anything about these cars? I'm ignorant of Japanese cars, particularly anything this old. Was this a desirable car? I like the style. I'd have to get driver100 to take a day trip to pick it up for me.

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/6000911053.html
AND the seller has a bad attitude AND the VIN is wrong.
VIN is wrong? How do you mean, is it a VIN for a different car or did the seller write down a few wrong letters?

Really a moot point since this is just another fantasy car for me but I'm impressed that you caught that.

Not enough digits.

I catch everything when it comes to used cars...except myself that is...when I buy something I maybe shouldn't have.

nyccarguy · February 2017

roadburner said:

That 440 sounds awesome.
Here it is...

dude - you are just pure evil

28firefighter · February 2017

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:

That 440 sounds awesome.
Here it is...

dude - you are just pure evil

Agree.

But seriously, that's a great color combo.

sda · February 2017

28firefighter said:

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:
That 440 sounds awesome.
Here it is...

dude - you are just pure evil

Agree.

But seriously, that's a great color combo.
It just oozes quality and draws you in to let's drive!

ab348 · February 2017

28firefighter said:

Agree.

But seriously, that's a great color combo.

The interior is a great color combo.

The outside is just black.

Michaell · February 2017

I think the GLI and GTI are on different platforms - GTI is on MQB and the Jetta isn't.

Does the 1.8T have the regular 6-speed auto or DSG?

stickguy · February 2017

our sport 18.t has the regular AT 6 speed.

graphicguy · February 2017

driver100 said:
According to the article I read, although the Avalon has a flashier interior, they are both made out of the same fine materials....dials and knobs virtually the same.

I tried to compare a Lexus to an Avalon but couldn't find a review. If I look up the reviews for each they seem almost the same, but the Lexus has a few more features but it is about $6 or $7k more.

Check out one and then the other to compare

Thanks, driver. That's a comprehensive comparison....well worth the read.

graphicguy · February 2017

driver100 said:
Comparing a 2017 TLX the one glaring point to consider is they thought the 4 cylinder was a little lacking in power - they push for getting a 6.. Another negative you may not like GG is they find the infotainment system to be sub par. Between the Avalon, Camry, Lexus and TLX they are all pretty close in every category.

US NEWS TLX

Test drove the TLX SHAWD. Still love me some Acura. Didn't notice anything untoward regarding the 9-speed transmission. Drove it on back roads, on the interstate, through some switchbacks. Seemed smooth...maybe somewhat slow to react to heavy throttle.

Two issues....is it worth $10K over an Accord Touring? I doubt I can get one at or under my $40K ceiling.

fordfool · February 2017

Michaell said:
We're thinking of doing a refi. Switch from a 30 year term to 20, to help get the balance paid down on the house.

You can add an additional amount to each month's payment so that the 30-year is paid off in 20 years. That avoids all of the lender's closing costs for a new mortgage. The best way to go depends on the interest rate on the current mortgage versus what you will pay for a new 20 year mortgage.

carnaught · February 2017

Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

stickguy · February 2017

fordfool said:

Michaell said:
We're thinking of doing a refi. Switch from a 30 year term to 20, to help get the balance paid down on the house.
You can add an additional amount to each month's payment so that the 30-year is paid off in 20 years. That avoids all of the lender's closing costs for a new mortgage. The best way to go depends on the interest rate on the current mortgage versus what you will pay for a new 20 year mortgage.

I meant to post this when I read that originally. Unless the interest rate is enough lower to cover the costs, better to keep the current term and pay extra. At least that way, you aren't locked into the higher payments.

Once we are done paying off all the cars and college tuition, will start directing extra money every month toward the mortgages.

graphicguy · February 2017

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.

venture · February 2017

graphicguy said:

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.
The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.

I don't know how long you usually keep a car, but my Fusion Titanium just passed 3 years of ownership. After getting a few trim pieces straightened out initially - no dealer trips for anything except oil changes.

As was mentioned right after you asked; try a 2017 Fusion Sport just for giggles. You may be surprised.

iluvmysephia1 · February 2017

The Mrs. And I were out yesterday morning with some friends in KC. Turns out the younger guy is a Toyota salesman. Of course, I ask about 2017 Toyota Yaris iA's with manual trannies.

"We've got three of 'em!"

"Great!" I exclaimed, knowing the Mrs. was listening.

"Just let me know when you want to come on over to check 'em out," he says.

"All right."

The Mrs. immediately chimed right in "No! No! We don't want a new car!" I laughed and so did the Toyota salesman.

He goes "yeah, that's why I didn't say anything yet."

He already said enough, but I liked it. I asked what they ran. "About $16,000?"

"Yep."

Once at home I jumped on the desktop to check out Jay Wolfe Toyota's website. 2017 Toyota Yaris iA's with sticks are running only $14,675 right now with a Valentine's Day sale going on our salesman friend didn't know about.

Now that gets my imagination going a bit...What kind of deal might I strike. I've seen a few of the little iA big-mouthed bass around KC and they looked good. Neat-o little project ta ponder, here.

driver100 · February 2017

graphicguy said:

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW

The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.

I think carnaughts point is worth considering. The chances of a Lexus or Avalon being a problem is not great, but, if there is a problem a loaner car is nice to have, and an extra year warranty is worth a lot. If it came down to these two cars, and it looked like the Lexus was your preferred choice...those factors plus the fact you would be less likely to want to trade out of the Lexus might make it the better buy overall.

GG, something else to consider....do you think your clients are influenced by the kind of car you drive? In some jobs, a nice car is a factor.....people are more confident of someone who drives a nice car. Not saying it means something about competence, but, prospective clients may be put off if you drive up in something like this;

uplanderguy · February 2017

I know I'm an outlier here, but that interior color of the BMW looks like a pumpkin to me. I didn't like that color when Impalas had it recently, or when bottom-line Ford Fairmonts had it in '78.

I like a light beige interior, with minimal black everywhere else, but I'm probably thirty years behind the times in that respect, too.

graphicguy · February 2017

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW.

carnaught said:
Also, remember that the Lexus has a 4 yr., 50,000 mi. warranty, and the Avavlon has a 3 yr., 36,000 warranty. Plus, the (gulp...GG) service experience, including loaners, is much better with Lexus, FWIW

The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems.
I think carnaughts point is worth considering. The chances of a Lexus or Avalon being a problem is not great, but, if there is a problem a loaner car is nice to have, and an extra year warranty is worth a lot. If it came down to these two cars, and it looked like the Lexus was your preferred choice...those factors plus the fact you would be less likely to want to trade out of the Lexus might make it the better buy overall.

GG, something else to consider....do you think your clients are influenced by the kind of car you drive? In some jobs, a nice car is a factor.....people are more confident of someone who drives a nice car. Not saying it means something about competence, but, prospective clients may be put off if you drive up in something like this;

Appreciate your insight, driver. Part of my compensation is for car reimbursement (up to a certain point). It's not really a "client" hauling vehicle. Most of my meetings are done by flying in, driving rental cars, or even UBER. Matter of fact, the only thing In Cincinnati is my office (which is in my home).

Funny, whenever I've bought a Honda or Acura (haven't bought a Toyota in a while, and never owned a Lexus), and we get into the F&I office, the subject of extended warranty comes up. I tell them the same thing all the time, "if I thought I'd need an extended warranty, I wouldn't be buying your car."

Even the Cadillac(s), no extended warranty would have helped.

Drove an A4 and an A3 last night. The A4 is particularly nice. There were no real downsides to it that are even worth touching on. But, to get it equipped the way I'd want it, it would exceed $40K. They aren't discounting them much (yet). A3 is nice, but the S3 is the shiznit! Plain A3 wasn't didn't quite float my boat. S3 was a hoot, though. Again, over the self imposed price limit.

I'm past the point where badge or manufacturer means anything to me anymore. I could go the Mercedes route and hit the number with a CLA. But, I really don't like that car. No offense to MB fans, but a CLA really isn't competitive at the price point they're selling.

Might look at a BMW 320i, but I know the 340/440i would be the I really want (there I go again....looking at $50K-$60K cars).

Carnaught....I plan on looking/driving the Fusion Sport. I just have to find a dealer who has one (easier said than done).

graphicguy · February 2017

Took the Mustang out last night while going from dealer to dealer. I couldn't have garnered more interest if I had pulled up in an NSX. Speaking of the NSX, my Acura dealer has one in their showroom, roped off. I took some iPhone pics of it and have to download them, which I'll post here.

Apparently, they had it sold over a year ago. The buyer backed out of the deal (losing a hefty deposit in the process). It's for sale if any of you want it. It's "all that" and a bag of chips.

houdini1 · February 2017

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:
Comparing a 2017 TLX the one glaring point to consider is they thought the 4 cylinder was a little lacking in power - they push for getting a 6.. Another negative you may not like GG is they find the infotainment system to be sub par. Between the Avalon, Camry, Lexus and TLX they are all pretty close in every category.

US NEWS TLX
Test drove the TLX SHAWD. Still love me some Acura. Didn't notice anything untoward regarding the 9-speed transmission. Drove it on back roads, on the interstate, through some switchbacks. Seemed smooth...maybe somewhat slow to react to heavy throttle.

Two issues....is it worth $10K over an Accord Touring? I doubt I can get one at or under my $40K ceiling.

Have you driven the Genesis G80?

sda · February 2017

iluvmysephia1 said:
The Mrs. And I were out yesterday morning with some friends in KC. Turns out the younger guy is a Toyota salesman. Of course, I ask about 2017 Toyota Yaris iA's with manual trannies.

"We've got three of 'em!"

"Great!" I exclaimed, knowing the Mrs. was listening.

"Just let me know when you want to come on over to check 'em out," he says.

"All right."

The Mrs. immediately chimed right in "No! No! We don't want a new car!" I laughed and so did the Toyota salesman.

He goes "yeah, that's why I didn't say anything yet."

He already said enough, but I liked it. I asked what they ran. "About $16,000?"

"Yep."

Once at home I jumped on the desktop to check out Jay Wolfe Toyota's website. 2017 Toyota Yaris iA's with sticks are running only $14,675 right now with a Valentine's Day sale going on our salesman friend didn't know about.

Now that gets my imagination going a bit...What kind of deal might I strike. I've seen a few of the little iA big-mouthed bass around KC and they looked good. Neat-o little project ta ponder, here.

Even though Valentine's day is past, perhaps some flowers, candy and something extra to the Mrs. will smooth the way!

jmonroe · February 2017

houdini1 said:

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:
Comparing a 2017 TLX the one glaring point to consider is they thought the 4 cylinder was a little lacking in power - they push for getting a 6.. Another negative you may not like GG is they find the infotainment system to be sub par. Between the Avalon, Camry, Lexus and TLX they are all pretty close in every category.

US NEWS TLX
Test drove the TLX SHAWD. Still love me some Acura. Didn't notice anything untoward regarding the 9-speed transmission. Drove it on back roads, on the interstate, through some switchbacks. Seemed smooth...maybe somewhat slow to react to heavy throttle.

Two issues....is it worth $10K over an Accord Touring? I doubt I can get one at or under my $40K ceiling.
Have you driven the Genesis G80?

HEY, don't give him any ideas. :@

jmonroe

carnaught · February 2017

GG: "The whole reason behind looking at Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura is to forego the chance of frequent trips to the dealership for problems."

Totally, but such things as oil changes, routine mainetance, and the like, are rendered much more palatable with a Lexus vs. a Toyota.

iluvmysephia1 · February 2017

SDA - you're right, man. You don't know it but you're a genius. Mrs. iluvmysephia1 needs something all her very own while we get our new '17 Toyota Yaris iA. It's so weird but I didn't know this guy sold Toyota's for a living...He does drive a new Solara - but I didn't even know that was his car. In fact, as we pulled up to our '11 Kia Soul, his late model Toyota Solara in black was sitting there. I said "that's William's car" and the Toyota guy goes "no, that's my car " Anyone else get the Toyota Camry and Solara mixed up? They look really similar to me.

Anyhow, something for my beautiful wife is definitely in order, because I'm gettin' those iA feelings again...Mazda 2 sedan, smooth 6-speed shift notches...Uh-huh. Stop it! This is the car I want. I drove from Dodge City, KS, to Denver Colorado ta pick up my black '16 brand new Scion iA, and Mountain States Scion pulls the "we just sold it not even a half hour ago."

What? I called...Umm...Nonsense on them. They were lying to me. Just like Dwight Yoakam said to Nick Cage in the movie 'Red Rock West', "you're lying ta me"...And, Dwight was right, Nick was lying to him. He was on top of Dwight's truck to hide from Wayne and from Dennis Hopper! I smelled fibbing real strong. What might make this place work out is that I know a salesman that works there...I have a connection.

Whether I try and go through this or not has to involve my wife...The conversation has to involve her and the fact that our finances are fine and will be fine even with the iA purchase. My boss is talking OT available in June. Our company just signed an agreement that enables us to get patients from a whole new chunk of Kansas City, Missouri. I can pay extra on the principal to pay down the overall balance faster.

And this guy is very easy to talk to, our friend who is the Toyota salesman. Oh my, I'm stirring up those iA feelings again.

suydam · February 2017

iluvmysephia1 said:
The Mrs. And I were out yesterday morning with some friends in KC. Turns out the younger guy is a Toyota salesman. Of course, I ask about 2017 Toyota Yaris iA's with manual trannies.

"We've got three of 'em!"

"Great!" I exclaimed, knowing the Mrs. was listening.

"Just let me know when you want to come on over to check 'em out," he says.

"All right."

The Mrs. immediately chimed right in "No! No! We don't want a new car!" I laughed and so did the Toyota salesman.

He goes "yeah, that's why I didn't say anything yet."

He already said enough, but I liked it. I asked what they ran. "About $16,000?"

"Yep."

Once at home I jumped on the desktop to check out Jay Wolfe Toyota's website. 2017 Toyota Yaris iA's with sticks are running only $14,675 right now with a Valentine's Day sale going on our salesman friend didn't know about.

Now that gets my imagination going a bit...What kind of deal might I strike. I've seen a few of the little iA big-mouthed bass around KC and they looked good. Neat-o little project ta ponder, here.

I guess there really is a car for every driver.

abacomike · February 2017

Thought I would check in for a few minutes. Waiting for my brother to get ready - need to have the car washed to get the bugs and bird turds off the car and then I need to fill it with gas for my trip home. I want to take him to lunch as well.

After 1-1/2 hours of entering income and expenses, once again the Turbo Tax program selected the standard deduction for me. Even with all the medical and dental expenses, that 7-1/2% deductible wiped out over $5700 of those expenses. The standard deduction gave me $7800 + the $4050 for the dependent and netted me an $1150 refund. My poor brother - but he said he didn't mind. It sure was nice of him.

Got a chance to drive his 2017 X5 he just got. Nice SUV, but I prefer his 2016 740Li. Beautiful beige interior and Arctic Gray exterior. If I had a garage, I wouldn't mind a dark exterior, but my car is always outside in the elements.

Cold up here - 40's last night - now it's in the 50's. I'm used to a much warmer climate than up here near Jacksonville.

Will catch you guys tomorrow afternoon when I get back to South Florida. Stay well everyone.

iluvmysephia1 · February 2017

2016 Scion iA in Stealth color

Yeah, Pulse is the Scion red. Stealth is what they called their black iA's. This car is worth every penny of $16,000.

Michaell · February 2017

iluvmysephia1 said:

2016 Scion iA in Stealth color

Yeah, Pulse is the Scion red. Stealth is what they called their black iA's. This car is worth every penny of $16,000.

I agree that for the price, the iA is quite loaded. I took a look at them last summer before leasing my Jetta - it was a bit too small for me, and I didn't like the fact that there was no center armrest.

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