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iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

Thanks, stick. I'll report in tomorrow.

Michaell · November 2017

May I vent?

One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like.

Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car.

Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow.

This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner)

Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque.

I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork.

To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork.

You run into all sorts, eventually.

\end venting

28firefighter · November 2017

This is very common on the lease hacking forums. Allure of an incredible monthly payment blinds them to the fact they won’t like the car.

Generally these folks are OK with doing a lease transfer and moving on, but there are some who simply didn’t think to check whether the bank allowed them in the first place.

In this case, if he leased through Jaguar (Chase) he’s toast on a transfer. If he leased it through US Bank or another lender he has a fighting chance. That’s a very attractive payment so my guess is he’ll be fine.

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

roadburner said:
Well, my suspicions were spot on; someone else got the appointment. No big deal. I'm already receiving texts and messages asking me to run, but I probably won't as I'd have to quit my current job to campaign effectively.
But I might file to run and not campaign just to throw a handful of gears into the political machine.

Or you could accuse the appointee of groping you 30 years ago and knock him off the ticket.

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

iluvmysephia1 said:
My salesman just texted me to tell me he's been working on a sale. I'm looking for that quote on a trade-in amount for my Kia Soul.

"Yessir! I've been working on a sale," he texted me. I've taken care of a lot of this purchase by text. Tomorrow I'll get there and test-drive the iA. If I love it, we'll go to the paperwork.

Good luck, and don't forget you need to get $3600 for your trade in.
I'm beginning to think getting $3,600 will be difficult if the rumors I heard are true.

Has anyone else in hear heard that someone in here has sent a few of @iluvmysephia1's posts to his salesman about how he intends to negotiate on the Scion. If true that is dirty pool. :@ :@ :@

jmonroe

I hope that's a joke.

qbrozen · November 2017

Michaell said:

May I vent? One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like. Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car. Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow. This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner) Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque. I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork. To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork. You run into all sorts, eventually. \end venting

I can kind of understand the "slow" part; HOWEVER, he may be quite disappointed to learn that an S model is only 2 tenths quicker. Hardly worth the extra expense. So he would have to step up to the R. And, obviously, such a thing would completely eliminate what attracted him to the car in the first place: the low payment.

driver100 · November 2017

Michaell
May I vent?
One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car".

I think the same applies to buying. Some people see a price and that is what persuades them to buy. If a car is just to get you from A to B then it probably doesn't matter. Someone, like my brother goes by price only, the cheapest deal is the best deal. He did incredibly well, traded in a 10 year old Civic for a new Hyundai Accent in 2012....and paid just $4000. I don't get how it is possible. But, he can't see out of it so he has to have a big pillow on the drivers seat. The car is light and flimsy so he doesn't go on the highway. The car brings no joy to his life, it just provides basic transportation. If he keeps it for 10 years, wouldn't it have been better to spend $2000 to $4000 more, $200 to $400 a year more, to drive something that was comfortable and that you could take on the highway if need be? And, maybe you would get some satisfaction from driving a nicer car....and maybe even feel a bit better.

abacomike · November 2017

Michaell said:

May I vent? One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like. Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car. Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow. This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner) Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque. I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork. To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork. You run into all sorts, eventually. \end venting

Hysterical while at the same time tragic for that poor guy. Something similar happened to me back in 1967.

I had come into a bequest of $8000 in January of 1967. At that time, it was a lot of money - many households lived a full year on that amount. Being a car nut at the early age of 23, I ran, not walked, to the nearest Chevrolet dealer in Lincoln Park, Illinois. On the showroom floor was a 1967 Corvette Stingray Fast-Back Coupe in a light blue with black interior. It had a 427 cubic inch engine with three deuces (3 3-barrel carbs) and side exhausts - 435 horsepower - and a 4-speed Muncie tranny (3-pedals). A salesman greeted me as I was literally drooling over the car with the driver’s door open. He said to sit behind the wheel and get a feel for the car (car is a misnomer for this vehicle - bullet might be more appropriate). I sat in the seat, pushed in the clutch, moved the stick in and out of gears, etc. I never closed the door while I was sitting behind the wheel which was a huge mistake. There were no demos available to drive and they would not move the showroom “bullet” for me to test-drive. Mistake number 2.

The MSRP was the price - no negotiating. He said the only reason the car was available was due to a special allocation. I said, “...WRITE IT UP!”

Two hours later, my new Stingray was ready to be delivered. All the salesman did was show me how to operate the AM/FM radio and how to shift into reverse using the lock-out lever on the manual stick. There were no technologies to demonstrate - just a vehicle with a monster engine and side exhausts.

I opened the door, sat in the driver’s seat, closed the door, and tried to depress the clutch after starting the engine in neutral. I could not depress the clutch easily because the door handle was positioned immediately adjacent to the steering wheel which did not leave enough room for my knee to clutch. I was devastated. But a mechanic came over and removed the handle and replaced it with a large chrome disk. The door release handle was a separate handle - it was the chrome pull handle that was remove. So I always had to lower the side window to pull the door closed.

There was no turning back now. I was the owner of the hottest vehicle in the country - so I lived with the minor inconvenience, but for only 4 months. That’s when I went outside one morning to find an empty parking space where my Corvette was parked the night before. Yep - it had been stolen. After a month, the insurance company sent me a check for almost what I paid for it. End of story and end to buying another Corvette.

houdini1 · November 2017

abacomike said:
I arrived up here in Ponte Vedra a few hours ago. I was not as tired as I usually am after the 301 mile drive. Rained almost the entire trip. Car performed as expected - 30.9 mpg - significantly less fuel economy than I got on the 740i. Much smoother, softer ride but impressive handling.

When I was in adaptive cruise control and auto steer, I found out I could change lanes by merely holding the directional signal lever up or down and the car changed lanes and straightened itself out - all autonomously. Nice feature. It would not change lanes if I was coming up on a car too fast or I did not have a sufficient interval behind, in front or to the side.

The S450 was more responsive than the 740i - more torque and horsepower was the reason - but at the expense of fuel economy - 5 miles per gallon less than the BMW 740i.

The massage seats were a lifesaver for me - it soothed my lumbar, middle and upper back. I did not have that option on the BMW.

Going to bed a little early tonight - worn out now. Stay tuned for more comparative analyses of the S450 and the 740i.

Michaell said:
May I vent?

One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like.

Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car.

Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow.

This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner)

Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque.

I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork.

To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork.

You run into all sorts, eventually.

\end venting

He must have gotten smoked at a stop light by a little old lady driving a Buick !

houdini1 · November 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

iluvmysephia1 said:
My salesman just texted me to tell me he's been working on a sale. I'm looking for that quote on a trade-in amount for my Kia Soul.

"Yessir! I've been working on a sale," he texted me. I've taken care of a lot of this purchase by text. Tomorrow I'll get there and test-drive the iA. If I love it, we'll go to the paperwork.

Good luck, and don't forget you need to get $3600 for your trade in.
I'm beginning to think getting $3,600 will be difficult if the rumors I heard are true.

Has anyone else in hear heard that someone in here has sent a few of @iluvmysephia1's posts to his salesman about how he intends to negotiate on the Scion. If true that is dirty pool. :@ :@ :@

jmonroe
I hope that's a joke.

If not, it is a hanging offense.

imidazol97 · November 2017

abacomike said:
;End of story and end to buying another Corvette.

Well, that's a story we've not heard!

They did everything to keep you from revoking the deal and instead to get you to drive it over the curb so it was then a done deal.

I was in grad school a year or two after and a fellow in apartments across the street had what was probably a similar Vette. He showed me the chains they welded onto the front suspension to keep it from dropping too far which kept the body from rising, he claimed. He said it was to keep the car from lifting too much and becoming airborn especially when going over slight rses and dips in the road at "high" speed. I don't know if the aerodynamic claims were true and the physics of the chains was actually as claimed.

Did you have an experience with "high" speed driving and approaching liftoff?

abacomike · November 2017

imidazol97 said:

;End of story and end to buying another Corvette.
Well, that's a story we've not heard! They did everything to keep you from revoking the deal and instead to get you to drive it over the curb so it was then a done deal. I was in grad school a year or two after and a fellow in apartments across the street had what was probably a similar Vette. He showed me the chains they welded onto the front suspension to keep it from dropping too far which kept the body from rising, he claimed. He said it was to keep the car from lifting too much and becoming airborn especially when going over slight rses and dips in the road at "high" speed. I don't know if the aerodynamic claims were true and the physics of the chains was actually as claimed. Did you have an experience with "high" speed driving and approaching liftoff?

I do remember that, at times, after popping the clutch and gunning the engine to prove to GTO’s and 442’s that their car’s were not in the same class as a Corvette, the front end of the “bullet” would rise 6-8 inches - very scary experience.

I also remember scraping the front end when parking the Vette against a parking stoop (sound familiar?). Yes, the Corvette was extremely low to the ground and I remember scraping the oil pan and had to replace it.

So he was probably more accurate than you would think about the suspension and potential damage that could be done if care was not taken when putting the car through its paces.

qbrozen · November 2017

imidazol97 said:

I was in grad school a year or two after and a fellow in apartments across the street had what was probably a similar Vette. He showed me the chains they welded onto the front suspension to keep it from dropping too far which kept the body from rising, he claimed. He said it was to keep the car from lifting too much and becoming airborn especially when going over slight rses and dips in the road at "high" speed. I don't know if the aerodynamic claims were true and the physics of the chains was actually as claimed.

If it was really capable of holding enough traction in the rear tires to lift the front end, the extra minimal weight of the wheels, tires, and brakes being chained to the frame wouldn't do much to help. Kind of like thinking one extra passenger would prevent the space shuttle from lifting off.

pensfan83 · November 2017

Michaell said:
May I vent?

One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like.

Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car.

Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow.

This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner)

Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque.

I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork.

To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork.

You run into all sorts, eventually.

\end venting

Driving a car you love and having a payment you are comfortable with aren't mutually exclusive. If it were I should have leased an S90 or a Mercedes Benz C/E Class loaner. As @28firefighter noted some people are so blinded by the $400 payment on a $60K+ car that nothing else in that moment matters.

jmonroe · November 2017

abacomike said:

Michaell said:

May I vent?

One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like.

Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car.

Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow.

This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner)

Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque.

I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork.

To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork.

You run into all sorts, eventually.

\end venting

Hysterical while at the same time tragic for that poor guy. Something similar happened to me back in 1967.

I had come into a bequest of $8000 in January of 1967. At that time, it was a lot of money - many households lived a full year on that amount. Being a car nut at the early age of 23, I ran, not walked, to the nearest Chevrolet dealer in Lincoln Park, Illinois. On the showroom floor was a 1967 Corvette Stingray Fast-Back Coupe in a light blue with black interior. It had a 427 cubic inch engine with three deuces (3 3-barrel carbs) and side exhausts - 435 horsepower - and a 4-speed Muncie tranny (3-pedals). A salesman greeted me as I was literally drooling over the car with the driver’s door open. He said to sit behind the wheel and get a feel for the car (car is a misnomer for this vehicle - bullet might be more appropriate). I sat in the seat, pushed in the clutch, moved the stick in and out of gears, etc. I never closed the door while I was sitting behind the wheel which was a huge mistake. There were no demos available to drive and they would not move the showroom “bullet” for me to test-drive. Mistake number 2.

The MSRP was the price - no negotiating. He said the only reason the car was available was due to a special allocation. I said, “...WRITE IT UP!”

Two hours later, my new Stingray was ready to be delivered. All the salesman did was show me how to operate the AM/FM radio and how to shift into reverse using the lock-out lever on the manual stick. There were no technologies to demonstrate - just a vehicle with a monster engine and side exhausts.

I opened the door, sat in the driver’s seat, closed the door, and tried to depress the clutch after starting the engine in neutral. I could not depress the clutch easily because the door handle was positioned immediately adjacent to the steering wheel which did not leave enough room for my knee to clutch. I was devastated. But a mechanic came over and removed the handle and replaced it with a large chrome disk. The door release handle was a separate handle - it was the chrome pull handle that was remove. So I always had to lower the side window to pull the door closed.

There was no turning back now. I was the owner of the hottest vehicle in the country - so I lived with the minor inconvenience, but for only 4 months. That’s when I went outside one morning to find an empty parking space where my Corvette was parked the night before. Yep - it had been stolen. After a month, the insurance company sent me a check for almost what I paid for it. End of story and end to buying another Corvette.

Did the insurance company ever find out how much you paid the guy to snacth your Vette?

jmonroe

driver100 · November 2017

Did the insurance company ever find out how much you paid the guy to snacth your Vette?

jmonroe

Good question. Or, I was wondering if leaving the window down to open the door was just an excuse to invite a car thief in to take it away.

Honest officer, I can't use the clutch unless I leave the window half way down because............

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

abacomike said:

Michaell said:

May I vent?

One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like.

Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car.

Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow.

This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner)

Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque.

I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork.

To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork.

You run into all sorts, eventually.

\end venting

Hysterical while at the same time tragic for that poor guy. Something similar happened to me back in 1967.

I had come into a bequest of $8000 in January of 1967. At that time, it was a lot of money - many households lived a full year on that amount. Being a car nut at the early age of 23, I ran, not walked, to the nearest Chevrolet dealer in Lincoln Park, Illinois. On the showroom floor was a 1967 Corvette Stingray Fast-Back Coupe in a light blue with black interior. It had a 427 cubic inch engine with three deuces (3 3-barrel carbs) and side exhausts - 435 horsepower - and a 4-speed Muncie tranny (3-pedals). A salesman greeted me as I was literally drooling over the car with the driver’s door open. He said to sit behind the wheel and get a feel for the car (car is a misnomer for this vehicle - bullet might be more appropriate). I sat in the seat, pushed in the clutch, moved the stick in and out of gears, etc. I never closed the door while I was sitting behind the wheel which was a huge mistake. There were no demos available to drive and they would not move the showroom “bullet” for me to test-drive. Mistake number 2.

The MSRP was the price - no negotiating. He said the only reason the car was available was due to a special allocation. I said, “...WRITE IT UP!”

Two hours later, my new Stingray was ready to be delivered. All the salesman did was show me how to operate the AM/FM radio and how to shift into reverse using the lock-out lever on the manual stick. There were no technologies to demonstrate - just a vehicle with a monster engine and side exhausts.

I opened the door, sat in the driver’s seat, closed the door, and tried to depress the clutch after starting the engine in neutral. I could not depress the clutch easily because the door handle was positioned immediately adjacent to the steering wheel which did not leave enough room for my knee to clutch. I was devastated. But a mechanic came over and removed the handle and replaced it with a large chrome disk. The door release handle was a separate handle - it was the chrome pull handle that was remove. So I always had to lower the side window to pull the door closed.

There was no turning back now. I was the owner of the hottest vehicle in the country - so I lived with the minor inconvenience, but for only 4 months. That’s when I went outside one morning to find an empty parking space where my Corvette was parked the night before. Yep - it had been stolen. After a month, the insurance company sent me a check for almost what I paid for it. End of story and end to buying another Corvette.

I remember as a lanky teen trying to get in a Corvette on the dealer's floor as my father shopped for a station wagon. Head pressed sideways against the roof, knees in the steering wheel. What heartbreak.

abacomike · November 2017

pensfan83 said:

May I vent? One of the maxims I use frequently in the various lease threads is "a good lease deal isn't so good if you don't like the car". We get lots of folks asking questions in threads for different makes and models, looking for that 'perfect storm' of residual, money factor and lease cash. I tell them that they need to go and do some test drives to see what they like and ... what they don't like. Anyway ..... a guy got an absolute killer lease deal on a Jaguar F-Type - a payment in the $600's for an $80K car. Well, guess what. He doesn't like it. It's too slow. This. Is. An. F-Type. Too slow? (he must be related to roadburner) Now he wants to trade it in for an F-Type S or R (can't remember which). Told him it would be massively expensive to trade in after only a few months. He's going to look into swapalease, or potentially chip it for more HP and torque. I'm floored - and, I did ask him if he test drove both models before signing the paperwork. To quote Phil Mickelson, he responds "I'm an idiot". The lure of the fantastic monthly payment blinded him to the shortcomings, which he either didn't know about or didn't care when signing the paperwork. You run into all sorts, eventually. \end venting
Driving a car you love and having a payment you are comfortable with aren't mutually exclusive. If it were I should have leased an S90 or a Mercedes Benz C/E Class loaner. As @28firefighter noted some people are so blinded by the $400 payment on a $60K+ car that nothing else in that moment matters.

Guilty as charged, your honor!

driver100 · November 2017

oldfarmer I remember as a lanky teen trying to get in a Corvette on the dealer's floor as my father shopped for a station wagon. Head pressed sideways against the roof, knees in the steering wheel. What heartbreak

About 30 years ago a friends girlfriend had a Corvette that was about 20 years old.....he took me for a ride in it one day. It felt like my bum was dragging on the road, I don't think it had a suspension system. It was like being tortured.

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

I went to my doctor appointment in Wenatchee and the Mrs. came along and the Pomeranian and Chow. It was the first visit with this doc. Seems like a good family doc, he grew up in Bellevue. We went to Dusty's for a good cheeseburger meal and then it was time to go to the Tri-Cities to test drive my 2017 Toyota Yaris iA.

A fit was thrown the size of Mt.Rainier. No iA for iluv. I'm done looking. The 2011 Kia Soul 5-speed and I are just meant ta be together. For a long, long, long, long time.

isellhondas · November 2017

iluvmysephia1 said:
I must get $3,500 minimum for my 2011 Kia Soul base 5-speed. It's got 93,229 miles on it, it's in good condition. Engine and transmission very strong, I've babied it. Crack in passenger side windshield. Interior is in excellent shape. I should demand $4,500 for it.

" Demand"? They won't pay you and more than they can buy one for at the auction and I have no idea what that number would be!

isellhondas · November 2017

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

iluvmysephia1 said:
My salesman just texted me to tell me he's been working on a sale. I'm looking for that quote on a trade-in amount for my Kia Soul.

"Yessir! I've been working on a sale," he texted me. I've taken care of a lot of this purchase by text. Tomorrow I'll get there and test-drive the iA. If I love it, we'll go to the paperwork.

Good luck, and don't forget you need to get $3600 for your trade in.
I'm beginning to think getting $3,600 will be difficult if the rumors I heard are true.

Has anyone else in hear heard that someone in here has sent a few of @iluvmysephia1's posts to his salesman about how he intends to negotiate on the Scion. If true that is dirty pool. :@ :@ :@

jmonroe

That would be far beyond "dirty pool". I wouldn't be at all surprised if bored car salespeople monitor these forums.

Michaell · November 2017

iluvmysephia1 said:
I went to my doctor appointment in Wenatchee and the Mrs. came along and the Pomeranian and Chow. It was the first visit with this doc. Seems like a good family doc, he grew up in Bellevue. We went to Dusty's for a good cheeseburger meal and then it was time to go to the Tri-Cities to test drive my 2017 Toyota Yaris iA.

A fit was thrown the size of Mt.Rainier. No iA for iluv. I'm done looking. The 2011 Kia Soul 5-speed and I are just meant ta be together. For a long, long, long, long time.

I'm not surprised by the outcome of this saga.

I don't think a major purchasing decision should be made by only one party.

How would you feel if the Mrs. came home and "told" you she's found the perfect house for you to buy?

Nothing wrong with the Soul, at this point. Maybe, when things settle down in the spring with the job and the housing situation, you can revisit the subject.

28firefighter · November 2017

Michaell said:

I went to my doctor appointment in Wenatchee and the Mrs. came along and the Pomeranian and Chow. It was the first visit with this doc. Seems like a good family doc, he grew up in Bellevue. We went to Dusty's for a good cheeseburger meal and then it was time to go to the Tri-Cities to test drive my 2017 Toyota Yaris iA.

A fit was thrown the size of Mt.Rainier. No iA for iluv. I'm done looking. The 2011 Kia Soul 5-speed and I are just meant ta be together. For a long, long, long, long time.

I'm not surprised by the outcome of this saga. I don't think a major purchasing decision should be made by only one party. How would you feel if the Mrs. came home and "told" you she's found the perfect house for you to buy? Nothing wrong with the Soul, at this point. Maybe, when things settle down in the spring with the job and the housing situation, you can revisit the subject.

Agree.

suydam · November 2017

isellhondas said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

iluvmysephia1 said:
My salesman just texted me to tell me he's been working on a sale. I'm looking for that quote on a trade-in amount for my Kia Soul.

"Yessir! I've been working on a sale," he texted me. I've taken care of a lot of this purchase by text. Tomorrow I'll get there and test-drive the iA. If I love it, we'll go to the paperwork.

Good luck, and don't forget you need to get $3600 for your trade in.
I'm beginning to think getting $3,600 will be difficult if the rumors I heard are true.

Has anyone else in hear heard that someone in here has sent a few of @iluvmysephia1's posts to his salesman about how he intends to negotiate on the Scion. If true that is dirty pool. :@ :@ :@

jmonroe
That would be far beyond "dirty pool". I wouldn't be at all surprised if bored car salespeople monitor these forums.

I’m sure it was just a very nasty attempt at a joke.

suydam · November 2017

28firefighter said:

Michaell said:

iluvmysephia1 said:
I went to my doctor appointment in Wenatchee and the Mrs. came along and the Pomeranian and Chow. It was the first visit with this doc. Seems like a good family doc, he grew up in Bellevue. We went to Dusty's for a good cheeseburger meal and then it was time to go to the Tri-Cities to test drive my 2017 Toyota Yaris iA.

A fit was thrown the size of Mt.Rainier. No iA for iluv. I'm done looking. The 2011 Kia Soul 5-speed and I are just meant ta be together. For a long, long, long, long time.

I'm not surprised by the outcome of this saga.

I don't think a major purchasing decision should be made by only one party.

How would you feel if the Mrs. came home and "told" you she's found the perfect house for you to buy?

Nothing wrong with the Soul, at this point. Maybe, when things settle down in the spring with the job and the housing situation, you can revisit the subject.

Agree.

Me too. You have an awful lot going on right now.

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

iluvmysephia1 said:
I went to my doctor appointment in Wenatchee and the Mrs. came along and the Pomeranian and Chow. It was the first visit with this doc. Seems like a good family doc, he grew up in Bellevue. We went to Dusty's for a good cheeseburger meal and then it was time to go to the Tri-Cities to test drive my 2017 Toyota Yaris iA.

A fit was thrown the size of Mt.Rainier. No iA for iluv. I'm done looking. The 2011 Kia Soul 5-speed and I are just meant ta be together. For a long, long, long, long time.

W

Unhappy wife, unhappy life.

tjc78 · November 2017

To all a very Happy Thanksgiving!!

If you are traveling be safe!

We have a busy day. We are hosting (everything cooked and prepped except for the bird, mom does that in the morning). We will be out of the house by 7 and heading over to the Philadelphia parade with our employer (we are a sponsor) then everyone gets to our house at 1. Soup on the table by 2, then the Baked Ziti and eventually the turkey and stuffing! I’m hungry already!

Everyone have a wonderful day!!

Michaell · November 2017

tjc78 said:
To all a very Happy Thanksgiving!!

If you are traveling be safe!

We have a busy day. We are hosting (everything cooked and prepped except for the bird, mom does that in the morning). We will be out of the house by 7 and heading over to the Philadelphia parade with our employer (we are a sponsor) then everyone gets to our house at 1. Soup on the table by 2, then the Baked Ziti and eventually the turkey and stuffing! I’m hungry already!

Everyone have a wonderful day!!

Baked ziti? Count me in. My late mother in law always prepared ravioli with thanksgiving dinner.

Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends here at Edmunds.

driver100 · November 2017

iluv....a nice dream while it lasted, but, then there is reality. Get the more important things in order for now, and then buying a new car will be a lot more joyful, and less stressful.

My best friend had a wife who was very....ummmm, let's say erratic. She had an OK job but one day her car broke down right outside a Chrysler dealer. She walked in and bought a new Dodge Shadow.

That was probably the straw that broke the camel's back for that marriage.
Most of us want a new car....you have to buy it at the right time in your life....you are fortunate it ended when it did.
One day, you will have that new car....and you will enjoy it and appreciate it more, when all your ducks are lined up........not sure what that means but you know what I mean.

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

tjc78 said:
To all a very Happy Thanksgiving!!

If you are traveling be safe!

We have a busy day. We are hosting (everything cooked and prepped except for the bird, mom does that in the morning). We will be out of the house by 7 and heading over to the Philadelphia parade with our employer (we are a sponsor) then everyone gets to our house at 1. Soup on the table by 2, then the Baked Ziti and eventually the turkey and stuffing! I’m hungry already!

Everyone have a wonderful day!!

We're just rolling to the bottom of the hill to my in-laws. All set up by my niece who works at our favorite store. She asked if anyone was getting together for Thanksgiving and I suggested she arrange something. Next thing I know, her mother calls asking us over. I knew there would be long term benefits to teaching her to drive.

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

How much would you pay? Would you wake up with buyers remorse?

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/plymouth-prowler-must-be-sold/6396845049.html

qbrozen · November 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

How much would you pay? Would you wake up with buyers remorse? https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/plymouth-prowler-must-be-sold/6396845049.html

Only every time I looked at the graphics and whenever I stepped on the gas and remember the seller lied about it having 8 cylinders.

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

driver100 said:
iluv....a nice dream while it lasted, but, then there is reality. Get the more important things in order for now, and then buying a new car will be a lot more joyful, and less stressful.

My best friend had a wife who was very....ummmm, let's say erratic. She had an OK job but one day her car broke down right outside a Chrysler dealer. She walked in and bought a new Dodge Shadow.

That was probably the straw that broke the camel's back for that marriage.
Most of us want a new car....you have to buy it at the right time in your life....you are fortunate it ended when it did.
One day, you will have that new car....and you will enjoy it and appreciate it more, when all your ducks are lined up........not sure what that means but you know what I mean.

Hey, you can still get that car.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/1994-plymouth-sundance-duster/6382612125.html

abacomike · November 2017

Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving- drive safe snd have an extra scoop of dressing for me.

roadburner · November 2017

The only car I ever bought without telling my wife was the 1975 2002; I got away with it because she drove it and liked it as well.

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

The fact that my wife doesn't drive definitely screws over my chances of getting the car I want. She doesn't understand the thrill of driving. Having pride in what you drive. I spent a lot of time researching and preparing to get that car over in the Tri-Cities, and it was all time wasted. Everything was all set up. I told her I already contacted the mortgage loan officer. Check. He doesn't see how this car purchase would hurt our chances in 4 months of qualifying for a great eastern Washington house.

The 2017 Toyota Yaris iA is not only a good small car it's a great small car. The way I drive we'd get 31 city 40 highway mpg.

I'll start preparing for another hunt. But she will feistily fight each and every attempt I make. So why would I even try, you ask?

I love this car. With the $500 down and low interest Toyota financing for 60 months our payment would be $303, give or take a few dollars. $47 more a month and we're already paying three more years on the '11 Kia Soul! What would you do? Oh I know. You'd do what she'd do. Why'd she even get in the car with the dogs! To screw over my day, that's why. Oh, but, in the interest of peace, in the interest of being a "good guy", being a good husband, I caved. At 115 decibals probably anyone would.

But OK, I'll dumb down. I'll turn my brain off. If she decided she wanted a house and she had to have it, I wouldn't have a Mt.Rainier eruption into the Soul's cabin and into her ears. Ya know what I'd do? I would listen to her. That's what I'd do. Not tell her she's full of #$$& for thinking, for wanting something, for being alive, and for getting something back for your time spent researching.

So there we are. Thanksgiving time. Everyone enjoy. Have fun. See ya on the flip side.

tjc78 · November 2017

@iluvmysephia1

Us car buyers here feel bad for you! In my marriage we frankly both love to spend... so my wife is kinda hands off with the cars and I don’t say (too much) about the CC statement every month!

It works for us, thankfully!

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

tjc78 - I guess I just lucked out. I'm glad your situation works for you. It's just really frustrating when you love ta drive like I do. This is my car. I watched several more YouTube reviews of it and reviewers seem ta agree that the Yaris iA is a great bargain, a lot of fun to drive and thrifty on gas.

What makes it all the more of a good idea is the designer made the car really light. 2,385 lbs. And yes, partly because of that, it handles therefore very well. Nice ta know my wife has chosen the very car I want as the ticking time bomb that will break up our marriage if I go buy it. Settling thought. Don't get me wrong. The 2011 Kia Soul is a pretty good product. It's just not the right product for me.

Happy hunting, everyone!

driver100 · November 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
iluv....a nice dream while it lasted, but, then there is reality. Get the more important things in order for now, and then buying a new car will be a lot more joyful, and less stressful.

My best friend had a wife who was very....ummmm, let's say erratic. She had an OK job but one day her car broke down right outside a Chrysler dealer. She walked in and bought a new Dodge Shadow.

That was probably the straw that broke the camel's back for that marriage.
Most of us want a new car....you have to buy it at the right time in your life....you are fortunate it ended when it did.
One day, you will have that new car....and you will enjoy it and appreciate it more, when all your ducks are lined up........not sure what that means but you know what I mean.
Hey, you can still get that car.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/1994-plymouth-sundance-duster/6382612125.html

I had a rental one once and I really liked it. Spunky and maneuverable.

driver100 · November 2017

iluv....this is a way out thought, and it might get you into the doghouse even more for even thinking about it.

First, I think there is a good case for buying a brand new car that could last 10 years or more...has a 3 year warranty, won't have any issues like the Soul may have......one surprise repair bill could cost $1000 or more.

Second, on the other hand....the fact you are underwater on the Soul scare the bejeezus out of me.

Here goes.....what would be the cost of leasing the Yaris? Even with the Soul payment rolled in it may be less than $303. In 5 years when things are more stable you can buy it for about $7000.

Far out and not recommending it............just something to think about.

Drivers motto........to every problem, there is usually a solution...it is trying to find the solution. He finds the solution....wins!

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

First, I think there is a good case for buying a brand new car that could last 10 years or more...has a 3 year warranty, won't have any issues like the Soul may have......one surprise repair bill could cost $1000 or more.

Second, on the other hand....the fact you are underwater on the Soul scare the bejeezus out of me.

Here goes.....what would be the cost of leasing the Yaris? Even with the Soul payment rolled in it may be less than $303. In 5 years when things are more stable you can buy it for about $7000.

Far out and not recommending it............just something to think about.

We don't need two cars, though, and the two payments combined would be more than the 2017 Toyota Yaris iA outright purchase payment. I do appreciate the suggestion, however. I am looking at Washington state ads for new new Yaris iA's, and certain dealers are reducing the prices on their Yaris iA's. I just found one at Larson Toyota of Tacoma (200 miles away, about 14 miles further than the Tri-Cities) selling for only $14,634. This is a 2017 model that includes the $2,000 Toyota rebate on it. I have tomorrow off, the crazy thing ta do would be to just slip off into the night and drive to Tacoma, sleep a few hours and go Black Friday me a 2017 Toyota Yaris iA! I really feel that I would be able to make a deal with my '11 Kia Soul in trade. Kia's are gaining in acclaim with each passing year.

The 2011 Kia Soul is no slouch as a car. I really like the car, I just don't love the car. And for someone like me, I have to love my one and only car. It would be akin to Jay Leno only being allowed to own one car. That man loves cars, too, I've seen evidence of it on video. I'd love ta tour his airplane hangar of cars. Say he could only have one. And that one car is a Yugo.

In all fairness to our 2011 Kia Soul, I'm not comparing the Yugo to our Kia Soul. But, imagine Jay Leno being satisfied with a Yugo. Not going to happen. Our Soul is a lot more car than the Yugo, and, if I never get my Yaris iA, I won't be totally left sucking off the teat of futility, but, I don't have a passion for driving our 2011 Kia Soul. I know many, many people do. For one thing, it's getting about 24 mpg in the city and 31 on the highway. Decent mileage. But the 2011 Kia Soul tips the scales at 2,820 lbs. Not fat Ferdie, but, more than I like. The Yaris iA? It weighs 2,385 lbs. and with the manual transmission I'd get 31 mpg in the city and 39 on the highway. And man do I ever drive a lot of highway miles! I can really feel that weight when I drive it. I was spoiled as a fresh-faced 16 year old kid driving Dad's light '66 VW Fastback 4-speed in baby blue. Now that car would be more of a comparo to the Yaris iA. And that's why I can't put VW's down. I have happy memories of that little baby blue screamer. Dad taught me well how to drive a stick in that car. When I was frustrated I remember saying "Dad, I don't know here!"

Dad smiled and had a very determined look on his face.

"Put the clutch in again, and gently let out the clutch. Don't give up!" Vroom! I'd start the small 2-dr. up and let out the clutch very carefully. Off we'd roll. Dad was determined that I learn how to drive a stick shift automobile. What a loving Dad! I love him so much for that, because now, I love driving stick shift cars so much it isn't funny. And he would not even consider me giving up. I'll never forget it. Our Dad's teach us many, many things. And Dad loved cars, too.

RIP Dad

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hospital-system-fires-50-over-flu-shots-heres-why/ar-BBFvRrU?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U452DHP

Oh oh! Essentia Health, a hospital chain in the Midwest, just fired 50 workers because...wait for it...they didn't get their flu shot. I was at my doctor yesterday in Wenatchee, and one of his questions for me was, "Did you get your flu shot yet?"

"Yeah, I did."

"Good!" Man, I had the feeling from my new doctor that it's a good thing I did. I just caught a weird feeling from him that Confluence Health of Wenatchee really needs all of their employees to get flu shots. I've been working in healthcare for 12 years now, and I've never seen such a weird push from a Company to get all of their employees to get flu shots. Now I see that 50 unfortunate souls just lost their jobs over not getting one. And they got their pink slips the day before Thanksgiving, nonetheless!

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

roadburner said:
The only car I ever bought without telling my wife was the 1975 2002; I got away with it because she drove it and liked it as well.

Only one I bought without permission was the Chevy van and I got some eye rolling over that but in the end I convinced her $1800 for a junk hauler would enable me to clean up the place. I think most wives would rather have hubby chasing cars than other women.

Hey here's a question, can you get cruise control on a standard shift car? Seems that set up would cause problems. Or am I wrong?

oldfarmer50 · November 2017

iluvmysephia1 said:
The fact that my wife doesn't drive definitely screws over my chances of getting the car I want. She doesn't understand the thrill of driving. Having pride in what you drive. I spent a lot of time researching and preparing to get that car over in the Tri-Cities, and it was all time wasted. Everything was all set up. I told her I already contacted the mortgage loan officer. Check. He doesn't see how this car purchase would hurt our chances in 4 months of qualifying for a great eastern Washington house.

The 2017 Toyota Yaris iA is not only a good small car it's a great small car. The way I drive we'd get 31 city 40 highway mpg.

I'll start preparing for another hunt. But she will feistily fight each and every attempt I make. So why would I even try, you ask?

I love this car. With the $500 down and low interest Toyota financing for 60 months our payment would be $303, give or take a few dollars. $47 more a month and we're already paying three more years on the '11 Kia Soul! What would you do? Oh I know. You'd do what she'd do. Why'd she even get in the car with the dogs! To screw over my day, that's why. Oh, but, in the interest of peace, in the interest of being a "good guy", being a good husband, I caved. At 115 decibals probably anyone would.

But OK, I'll dumb down. I'll turn my brain off. If she decided she wanted a house and she had to have it, I wouldn't have a Mt.Rainier eruption into the Soul's cabin and into her ears. Ya know what I'd do? I would listen to her. That's what I'd do. Not tell her she's full of #$$& for thinking, for wanting something, for being alive, and for getting something back for your time spent researching.

So there we are. Thanksgiving time. Everyone enjoy. Have fun. See ya on the flip side.

For all you know she reacted like that because she already bought you a new car and you were about to screw up the reveal when it appeared at your door with a big bow on Christmas morning like in the commercials.

driver100 · November 2017

iluv...just to clarify...if you did lease, you would still trade in the Soul.

I would think healthcare workers would definitely get a flu shot. Not just to not get the flu, but also to not pass it on. It would have been nice if the company had told them it was a requirement though.

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

For all you know she reacted like that because she already bought you a new car and you were about to screw up the reveal when it appeared at your door with a big bow on Christmas morning like in the commercials.

When hell freezes over she'd do that. My wife is a beautiful woman, a great Mom, a great Cook, we have been married 37 years. I love her with all of my heart. But if she bought me a car and had someone drive it to our Manson, WA, rental lodge, I'd have to go...clean myself up a bit, change my clothes, and then go out and look at my new car, oldfarmer50. That's a nice way of saying that I'd quickly lose control of my bowels.

cdnpinhead · November 2017

oldfarmer50 said:
Hey here's a question, can you get cruise control on a standard shift car? Seems that set up would cause problems. Or am I wrong?

Sure. My TSX has cruise control, as did my Lincoln LS, both with manual transmissions. Just one more switch to disconnect it when the clutch is depressed.

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

Crikey! I just clicked the little finance button on the Larson Toyota of Tacoma website under the new silver 2017 Yaris iA I'm looking at buying for $14,634. Toyota is offering 0% financing for 24, 36, 48, 60 and 72 months. There is no previous ownership requirement and this is on approved credit, of course. My Tri-Cities Toyota salesman already told me after reviewing my credit application that everything looked good with my financing.

I didn't know Toyota was offering 0% financing, though it makes sense on 2017 models they're trying ta clear. Coolio topped off with an Iglasius, gentlemen!

I'm one of those types that you can't just pull the rug out from under and expect them to be happy about it. What it does is make me even more determined to do what I want to do. That's what it does. And I can thank my Dad for that. He was a stubborn Norwegian and he raised a stubborn Norwegian.

imidazol97 · November 2017

oldfarmer50 said:
For all you know she reacted like that because she already bought you a new car and you were about to screw up the reveal when it appeared at your door with a big bow on Christmas morning like in the commercials.

Ah ha. Those silly toyota Lexus commercials every year or the Hondas dancing around Christmas without saying "Christmas" that we suffer every year here... the cars show up with a big celebration.

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