Mystery car pix

lostwrench1 · February 2018

Pontiac.
Hint........"Oh, Canada......."

magnette · February 2018

Yes - the car in the background is a Hudson but given the location I don't know if it is a 1950 model.

berri · February 2018

Foreground is a 1960 or so Dodge. Don't know Canadian cars, but whatever the car on a trailer is, it is based on a 61 Pontiac.

lostwrench1 · February 2018

magnette said:
Yes - the car in the background is a Hudson but given the location I don't know if it is a 1950 model.

As to the front end, the inverted V + the ends of the horizontals' not bending downward = 1950.

lostwrench1 · February 2018

berri said:
Foreground is a 1960 or so Dodge. Don't know Canadian cars, but whatever the car on a trailer is, it is based on a 61 Pontiac.

As to that Dodge, think Australia.

Mr_Shiftright · February 2018

Michaell said:

andys120 said:

Oldsmobile.

Can't tell you the model.

'63-ish.

He doesn't have his ramps strapped to the trailer! Bad dog! Well, perhaps they are hooked on. Ask me how I know yo should do this.

fintail · February 2018

Going by the plate

the 60 Dodge is a Phoenix, an Oz model. The model name lived on through the fuselage years. Notice the Hudson is also RHD.

andys120 · February 2018

lostwrench1 said:
Pontiac.
Hint........"Oh, Canada......."

Go ahead Lostwrench, tell'em what it is.

magnette · February 2018

Yes, this is a 1960 Dodge Phoenix and assembled in Australia it was only available as a four door saloon. It augmented the locally produced Chrysler Royal and was Chryslers top model in Oz...

lostwrench1 · February 2018

andys120 said:

lostwrench1 said:
Pontiac.
Hint........"Oh, Canada......."
Go ahead Lostwrench, tell'em what it is.

Laurentian.

andys120 · February 2018

Yep, the blue car on the trailer is a 1961 Pontiac Laurentian, a Canadian-market version that was apparently equivalent to the top of the line Bonneville.
(Note the three "stars" on the tailfin).

Like all CDM Pontiacs it would have had a Chevy chassis, engine/trans (I've never understood why)

omarman · February 2018

Taxes.

ab348 · February 2018

That's a '62 Pontiac. We owned one like it in dark red when I was a little kid.

lostwrench1 · February 2018

ab348 said:
That's a '62 Pontiac. We owned one like it in dark red when I was a little kid.

1961

ab348 · February 2018

Oops you're right, the '62 had the C-shaped taillights. I always get them confused.

kyfdx · February 2018

ab348 said:
Oops you're right, the '62 had the C-shaped taillights. I always get them confused.

We had a '62 Star Chief.. seems we are the same age.

ab348 · February 2018

andys120 said:
Yep, the blue car on the trailer is a 1961 Pontiac Laurentian, a Canadian-market version that was apparently equivalent to the top of the line Bonneville.
(Note the three "stars" on the tailfin).

Like all CDM Pontiacs it would have had a Chevy chassis, engine/trans (I've never understood why)

No, the Laurentian was more equivalent to a BelAir. The next model down was the Strato Chief which was a base model equivalent to the Biscayne.

The top-line Canadian Pontiac back then was the Parisienne. Later they added a Grand Parisienne.

The Cheviac stuff was all related to GM Canada being set up to build Chevys (there was even a Canadian Chevy engine foundry and engine assembly plant up here) combined with onerous duties on components imported into Canada from the USA. Given the comparatively small volume compared to the US market they took Canadian-made Chevy engines and chassis and mounted Pontiac bodies on them. I believe the Pontiac body components were pressed here but I'm not 100% on that. When the Auto Pact was signed later in the '60s that practice gradually went away. There was a time in the early '70s when the Pontiac dealers here simultaneously sold both the Parisienne/Laurentian/Strato Chief line of Cheviacs along with Catalinas and Bonnevilles that had the proper Pontiac engines and chassis.

andys120 · February 2018

ab348 said:
That's a '62 Pontiac. We owned one like it in dark red when I was a little kid.

This is a US spec '61 Catalina with rear fenders & tail lights like the blue Canadian flattop >

OTOH US '62 Pontiacs had completely different back ends>

Possibly some Canadian Ponchos were using year-old styling but that's doubtful.

This is a '62 Laurentian>

The blue flattop is a '61, no way it's a '62!>

texases · February 2018

Those first two photos show really different C pillars - visibility must have been GREAT in the '61. The '62 looks like it has ridges imitating the framework on a convertible.

ab348 · February 2018

Yeah, I think we cleared that up.

andys120 · February 2018

texases said:
Those first two photos show really different C pillars - visibility must have been GREAT in the '61. The '62 looks like it has ridges imitating the framework on a convertible.

1962 saw the introduction of faux convertible rooflines on most GM hardtops. I think they called 'em "sport hardtops" or something. You could get your hardtop coupe with a choice of "bubble top" like the yellow '61 or the fake convertible top.

This led in a few years to the introduction of vinyl roof covering to further enhance the "ragtop" look although eventually they began slapping vinyl on sedans and even limos.
It still survives in some places, today in AZ I saw a four-door intrigue with a fake canvas top and a Grand Marquis.

My Mom really liked the convertible look even though she'd never ride in my actual convertible cuz it would ness up her perm. She and Pop first went with the vinyl roof on their '67 Firebird (black over olive green) and later had a succession of sedans with full or half vinyl roofs

stickguy · February 2018

I actually like the looks of that 61, Surprising.

berri · February 2018

I always thought the big Pontiac's were some of the better looking cars for 61. In 62 I think I preferred the big Olds, although the 62 Cadillac was a pretty cleanly styled car too.

fintail · February 2018

I like the 61 too, thin pillars and wraparound glass.

I think Ford got into the vinyl top thing with the 63 Galaxie and T-Bird.

andys120 · February 2018

"63 Galaxie h/ts could be had with a slope-back roof popularly known as the "NASCAR roof"
(note suggestion of convertible top @ rear of roof)

..or with a more formal roof inspired by the T-Bird>

IIRC the formal roof was slightly more popular.

fintail · February 2018

I think the fastback was a mid model year introduction.

Here it is wearing vinyl, this is correct:

berri · February 2018

Wasn't that 63 Ford sport roof a midyear 63.5 Galaxie 500 XL introduction? I seem to recall the formal coupe roofline was the only one available initially that fall? I liked those XL's with their Thunderbird influenced thin look bucket seats. I think one of the reasons the sport roof is sometimes called NASCAR is because they needed to offer it up to put it on their stock cars.

tmart · February 2018

I spy a 57 red Tbird and a 59 Ford with a blue top.

omarman · February 2018

Another mid 1963 introduction much appreciated by this guy...

tmart · February 2018

Falcon Futura Sprint.

bhill2 · February 2018

berri said:
Wasn't that 63 Ford sport roof a midyear 63.5 Galaxie 500 XL introduction? I seem to recall the formal coupe roofline was the only one available initially that fall? I liked those XL's with their Thunderbird influenced thin look bucket seats. I think one of the reasons the sport roof is sometimes called NASCAR is because they needed to offer it up to put it on their stock cars.

One thing I remember about the introduction of the XL was that you could get it as a 4-door hardtop, complete with bucket seats and console. For some reason I thought that was really neat.

omarman · February 2018

tmart said:
Falcon Futura Sprint.

Yep, that screen shot is from a youtube video with Leno and his Falcon Sprint which looks mostly stock but has been "heavily" modified. Sounds great too.

andys120 · February 2018

omarman said:

tmart said:
Falcon Futura Sprint.
Yep, that screen shot is from a youtube video with Leno and his Falcon Sprint which looks mostly stock but has been "heavily" modified. Sounds great too.

Since the Falcon Sprint was mechanically nearly identical to Mustang V8s there is no end to the mods available. I'll bet Leno's is basically a Shelby GT-350 in sensible clothes.

magnette · February 2018

Its strange how the only thing I know about Jay Leno is that he is an American TV person who loves cars. I don't think among non-petrolheads he has any recognition over here at all.

Its only since we have had so many channels of satellite TV to fill that some of these people have appeared at all...

It was the same with Johnny Carson - he was hardly known here...

ab348 · February 2018

magnette said:
Its strange how the only thing I know about Jay Leno is that he is an American TV person who loves cars. I don't think among non-petrolheads he has any recognition over here at all.

Its only since we have had so many channels of satellite TV to fill that some of these people have appeared at all...

It was the same with Johnny Carson - he was hardly known here...

And of course those of us over here in the colonies are mostly unaware of the likes of Michael Parkinson, Terry Wogan, Graham Norton, and Jonathan Ross.

berri · February 2018

One thing I remember about the introduction of the XL was that you could get it as a 4-door hardtop, complete with bucket seats and console.

I liked that too and I believe you could also do that with the Mercury Marauder, and maybe Chrysler 300. Not sure if it was available on the Buick Wildcat 4dr though.

fintail · February 2018

When I was a kid, there was a 64 Galaxie XL 4 door HT in town, white with a blue interior. Those had a semi-fastback roof different from the usual formal roof.

berri · February 2018

I liked that look with the small reverse curve in the back door glass as well.

andys120 · February 2018

kyfdx · February 2018

andys120 said:

Land Cruiser. I'll guess 1985

fintail · February 2018

FJ60

andys120 · February 2018

kyfdx said:

andys120 said:

Land Cruiser. I'll guess 1985

Good guess, it's a 1988 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ62

andys120 · February 2018

My endless search for cars that look cool w fender skirts turned up this>

lostwrench1 · February 2018

1948 Chevy.

ab348 · February 2018

With the aftermarket Country Club wood kit.

lostwrench1 · February 2018

ab348 said:
With the aftermarket Country Club wood kit.

The wood was a dealer installed option.
It was from an outside supplier.

ab348 · February 2018

Sotheby's had one of these at auction a couple of years ago. Their description includes:

"Though Chevrolet or Fisher Body never offered a “woodie,” rumors exist to say that one was designed to compete with the Ford Sportsman; however, Chevrolet management was unimpressed with the idea. Reputedly, “Country Club” wood panels were produced by Engineered Enterprises of Detroit and applied to the metal body of the Aerosedan. The ash and mahogany applique was made exclusively for the Aerosedan and was used only on the sides of the vehicle and not applied to the rear of the vehicle as on competitors from Ford and Chrysler. Whether this was available from Chevrolet dealers or bought from the outside accessory firm continues to be the subject of much conjecture."

I'm not sure how much actual conjecture there is, as it seems the consensus is that EE marketed them through the dealer network. I read it was a $295 item on top of the $1600 price of the car. Today there are kits available from woodworkers, apparently in the $1500-$2000 range.

andys120 · February 2018

lostwrench1 said:
1948 Chevy.

To be precise, it's a 1948 Chevrolet Fleetline Aero.

andys120 · February 2018

texases · February 2018

1968 Mustang

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