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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410
    My Prelude is currently sitting in the driveway waiting for me to install a new battery. I bought a new battery back in December. It has either been too cold or too wet.

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  • jpp75jpp75 Member Posts: 1,535
    I took the TDI Touareg up to the mountains this weekend and man what a difference. The TDI handled the climbs without an issue whereas the gas version was constantly revving and downshifting to maintain speed.

    On the way back yesterday I averaged 32 mpg and almost hit 33, granted it's about 5k in elevation change but a good portion of it was in snow, single digit temps and very slow traffic for about 20 miles. All in all I'm happy with the upgrade.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,602
    jpp5862 said:

    I took the TDI Touareg up to the mountains this weekend and man what a difference. The TDI handled the climbs without an issue whereas the gas version was constantly revving and downshifting to maintain speed.

    On the way back yesterday I averaged 32 mpg and almost hit 33, granted it's about 5k in elevation change but a good portion of it was in snow, single digit temps and very slow traffic for about 20 miles. All in all I'm happy with the upgrade.

    That sounds fantastic, jpp! I love the drivetrain on my Q7. I'll hate to sell it (in that respect, the winter is waning far too quickly).
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    jpp5862 said:

    I took the TDI Touareg up to the mountains this weekend and man what a difference. The TDI handled the climbs without an issue whereas the gas version was constantly revving and downshifting to maintain speed.

    On the way back yesterday I averaged 32 mpg and almost hit 33, granted it's about 5k in elevation change but a good portion of it was in snow, single digit temps and very slow traffic for about 20 miles. All in all I'm happy with the upgrade.

    That's torque working for you!
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,174
    and a turbo at high elevation.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If he didn't have a turbo he would have never made it up the mountain most likely. Who said there was no substitute for cubic inches?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,174
    Is it strange that I actually kinda want this? well, more like one of these, in much better condition (or one like this much cheaper!) I just have a thing for SR5 toyotas of this vintage.

    https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/fs-trade-1979-toyota-corolla/6501404507.html

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 261,140

    I’ve had the C for just over a month now. In that time I’ve put about 600 miles on it, which is par for my driving now that I WFH full-time.  Figured I would provide some thoughts. 

    I still find myself impressed with the looks of the car with sport package and the multi-spoke AMG wheels. Those options certainly set it apart from the other Cs floating around. I’m not sure I would say it looks like a $54k car (which is what it listed at) but it is very nice.  I could do without the LED logo projectors. 

    I said this before when I was looking, but it still holds true. The interior of the car just fits like a glove. The seats (even with the fake leather) are very supportive with ample thigh support. Everything is very easy to reach and there is very little hard plastic anywhere to be found anywhere.  I’ve done some longer drives just because I find the interior a pleasant place to be. Sam seems to enjoy it too, particularly the pano roof. He spends our drives home from school pointing at the sky and giggling. Also a significant plus is that his convertible car seat fits beautifully and leaves ample room for my wife in the front. 

    The audio from the Burmester stereo is very impressive. It doesn’t sound as good as the larger systems in the E or S or even the Porsche line of cars, but it is night and day better than anything I’ve ever had before. My personal opinion is that it sounds better than the B&O system from Audi and HK from BMW, but not as good as the Acura ELS. 

    I have two quibbles:
    (1) The COMAND system really is not impressive. I find iDrive way more intuitive. I’ve yet to figure out the point of the optional trackpad that came with my car. Maybe one day I’ll figure it out.  That said, everything can be easily controlled by voice commands which helps mitigate some of my frustrations. 

    (2) Even in sport+ mode, the steering and handling just isn’t as tight as the BMWs I’ve driven. I suspect that is intentional. My hope was that kicking it into Sport+ would really tighten things up and then for longer drives I could use Comfort mode. Not so much. 

    All in all I am very pleased with the move. For the money I doubt I could do better, short of finding one of those unicorn deals on a BMW 330e loaner.

    I know I still owe you folks more pictures. As soon as we have a clear day I’ll snap some. 

    Guess we'll see those pix in August, then. :laughing:

    Thanks for the review. Sounds like a nice ride.

    I'm at 8600 miles after 18 months with the Jetta. Not much to report; I still enjoy driving it, even after the test rides I've been taking with @breld and @jpp5862. Not sure that I'll ever go back to a naturally aspirated engine, unless it's a big honkin' V8 in a muscle car. And that will happen only if a large sum of money shows up, via inheritance or lottery winnings.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,089
    stickguy said:

    Is it strange that I actually kinda want this? well, more like one of these, in much better condition (or one like this much cheaper!) I just have a thing for SR5 toyotas of this vintage.

    https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/fs-trade-1979-toyota-corolla/6501404507.html

    Or.....if you get lucky finding one, for a lot less money, you can get this.....

    https://youtu.be/UvzCJTTUQWU
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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,089
    28FF....nice update on a very nice car. Good to hear you’re enjoying it.
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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410
    @28firefighter

    Glad you are enjoying the C. Yours is sharp for sure.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410
    Close match:


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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,355
    Par for the course for many Altima drivers around here, they don't tend to attract the most careful motorists.

    I suspect that front wheel has hilarious alignment.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 263,787
    @stickguy Love the Corolla hatch.. Seems pricey, and probably rusty.

    @nyccarguy That Cayman would do nicely, but 48K miles on a 4 year old Porsche? Definitely a commuter, and not a garage queen. Not that a Porsche can't handle the miles.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 263,787
    Interesting note: My son turned 24 last month, and the insurance on the Tacoma went down by 10%. (10% of a substantial figure). Usually, this means a general rate increase is right around the corner.. :(

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,679
    I’ve had the C for just over a month now. In that time I’ve put about 600 miles on it, which is par for my driving now that I WFH full-time.  Figured I would provide some thoughts. 

    I still find myself impressed with the looks of the car with sport package and the multi-spoke AMG wheels. Those options certainly set it apart from the other Cs floating around. I’m not sure I would say it looks like a $54k car (which is what it listed at) but it is very nice.  I could do without the LED logo projectors. 

    I said this before when I was looking, but it still holds true. The interior of the car just fits like a glove. The seats (even with the fake leather) are very supportive with ample thigh support. Everything is very easy to reach and there is very little hard plastic anywhere to be found anywhere.  I’ve done some longer drives just because I find the interior a pleasant place to be. Sam seems to enjoy it too, particularly the pano roof. He spends our drives home from school pointing at the sky and giggling. Also a significant plus is that his convertible car seat fits beautifully and leaves ample room for my wife in the front. 

    The audio from the Burmester stereo is very impressive. It doesn’t sound as good as the larger systems in the E or S or even the Porsche line of cars, but it is night and day better than anything I’ve ever had before. My personal opinion is that it sounds better than the B&O system from Audi and HK from BMW, but not as good as the Acura ELS. 

    I have two quibbles:
    (1) The COMAND system really is not impressive. I find iDrive way more intuitive. I’ve yet to figure out the point of the optional trackpad that came with my car. Maybe one day I’ll figure it out.  That said, everything can be easily controlled by voice commands which helps mitigate some of my frustrations. 

    (2) Even in sport+ mode, the steering and handling just isn’t as tight as the BMWs I’ve driven. I suspect that is intentional. My hope was that kicking it into Sport+ would really tighten things up and then for longer drives I could use Comfort mode. Not so much. 

    All in all I am very pleased with the move. For the money I doubt I could do better, short of finding one of those unicorn deals on a BMW 330e loaner.

    I know I still owe you folks more pictures. As soon as we have a clear day I’ll snap some. 
    Nice review! I’ve not driven this version of the C but the slant towards luxury even in sport mode was what I experienced in my brief time with the E cabriolet. Not necessarily a bad thing and I trust what most Mercedes owners are looking for.

    The C is great looking. Really makes the current gen 3 series look a little long in the tooth.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410
    kyfdx said:

    @stickguy Love the Corolla hatch.. Seems pricey, and probably rusty.

    @nyccarguy That Cayman would do nicely, but 48K miles on a 4 year old Porsche? Definitely a commuter, and not a garage queen. Not that a Porsche can't handle the miles.

    I'd rather have a commuter than a garage queen. Maintenance costs would be the issue. I'm curious to see how far the price drops. I feel like the "regular" Boxster & Cayman models aren't particularly in demand. An enthusiast would be looking for an "S" model.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,211
    I love the color on that Cayman. Miles are a lot higher than my three year older Mustang, though. 
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,238
    edited February 2018
    nyccarguy said:

    kyfdx said:

    @stickguy Love the Corolla hatch.. Seems pricey, and probably rusty.

    @nyccarguy That Cayman would do nicely, but 48K miles on a 4 year old Porsche? Definitely a commuter, and not a garage queen. Not that a Porsche can't handle the miles.

    I'd rather have a commuter than a garage queen. Maintenance costs would be the issue. I'm curious to see how far the price drops. I feel like the "regular" Boxster & Cayman models aren't particularly in demand. An enthusiast would be looking for an "S" model.
    I really like the Cayman S. The thing is, my 2 Series can almost hang with it on a twisty road and the 2er is a bit more practical as a DD. I still wouldn't mind having one...

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 263,787
    I love Caymans.. More power is better, naturally, but I could live with a base model. Like many satisfying drives, it's not degraded, just because another car can put up a better time at the track.

    I saw a late '90s Jeep Cherokee for sale, yesterday. $2995 or best offer. If I get the Cayman, I could daily drive it, and save that $2500 Jeep for bad weather days.. ;)

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  • rny421rny421 Member Posts: 163
    Did everyone see that Volvo revealed the 2019 V60?

    It looks good. I'm excited to see what the S60 sedan looks like.

    I wish Volvo would have given it a bit more uniqueness, as it looks exactly like a scaled down V90, meaning the S60 will probably look just like a scaled down S90.
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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,761
    rny421 said:

    Did everyone see that Volvo revealed the 2019 V60?

    It looks good. I'm excited to see what the S60 sedan looks like.

    I wish Volvo would have given it a bit more uniqueness, as it looks exactly like a scaled down V90, meaning the S60 will probably look just like a scaled down S90.

    Me likey. Still skeptical on these 4-cyl motors, but the size is right. V60 is now short listed for 2019...

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,679
    rny421 said:
    Did everyone see that Volvo revealed the 2019 V60? It looks good. I'm excited to see what the S60 sedan looks like. I wish Volvo would have given it a bit more uniqueness, as it looks exactly like a scaled down V90, meaning the S60 will probably look just like a scaled down S90.
    That’s one sexy wagon! I too am anxiously awaiting the new S60. Even as long as it has been out, I still find the current version attractive.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited February 2018
    nyccarguy said:
    That's a nice car and with the turbo, no IMS worries. Really good on miles, too. The price is right in line with the market as well. A 2007 Carrera n/a would be more in my budget though.

    I already passed on two Caymans because of color--one black, the other that dull, dark gray. I'm like a hawk on a wire. I can be very patient and sit there looking for what I want.

    I prefer the Cayman because it has two trunks and a hatch!
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,174
    Just watched the Lexus video. A deal like that is what I need!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,174
    I like the current S60 and V60. Plus, well sorted by now. No, not quite as fancy tech inside. But if come early summer the new ones are there, meaning blow out deals on the old ones, I can handle hat.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,174
    That though is a nice looking wagon. Put it on the list with the next RDX and the current XC60 as current RDX replacement options.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410

    nyccarguy said:
    That's a nice car and with the turbo, no IMS worries. Really good on miles, too. The price is right in line with the market as well. A 2007 Carrera n/a would be more in my budget though.

    I already passed on two Caymans because of color--one black, the other that dull, dark gray. I'm like a hawk on a wire. I can be very patient and sit there looking for what I want.

    I prefer the Cayman because it has two trunks and a hatch!
    Either way, if you want i'll pick you up at the airport (HPN) and you can drive either one back home.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Ooh, yeah, then I could drive down to John's Pizza on Bleecker St. in NYC.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,602
    stickguy said:

    Just watched the Lexus video. A deal like that is what I need!

    Yes, that was one amazing deal! High risk, of course, but he'll make out very well on it.
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,602

    Ooh, yeah, then I could drive down to John's Pizza on Bleecker St. in NYC.

    And then be home just a few hours later! :p
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'd have to up my game a bit to get home that fast. Normally, I call my car a "two-speed Mini". On city streets, I go 44 mph, and on the freeway about 77. That's what it likes to do. I suspect a Cayman or 911 has a higher "sweet spot". :p


  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410

    Ooh, yeah, then I could drive down to John's Pizza on Bleecker St. in NYC.

    Just let me know when. That's where I met @corvette for dinner when he was in town.

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,155
    edited February 2018
    The XF is at the dealer for the Takata recall. So, I have a loaner XE, 2017 AWD supercharged 6 engine (same as in my XF). Dark gray, black interior. ~17k miles, last dude who had it rear-ended another car at low speed, so nice "speed hole" in the front bumper. Haven't had enough seat time (due to work/life, only commuting miles, so I've put a whopping ~35 miles on it) for thorough-ish review, but:

    The Good
    Exterior appearance: As a 7/8 XF, it's a handsome, muscular beast. I don't know that it would stand out in a crowd, but it's a nice design.
    Steering: immediate, a bit light at low speeds but no slop.
    Engine: I don't have a heavy foot (well, not always!), but you do have to give the go pedal a bit of a push to, well, go! But, with the proper down force, go it does! Nice exhaust sound, but you do hear it fairly constantly.
    Handling: Great! No body roll, car goes where pointed with no complaints.
    MPG: 10-15% above my XF
    Seat: Comfy, nicely bolstered. Thigh cushion could be just a smidgen longer...
    Tranny: Smooth, almost imperceptible shifts. I believe the same ZF as in mine.

    The Less Good
    The Interior: A step down in luxury from my XF. Blackness everywhere, some hard plastics. No wood or aluminum, but "piano black" which is not my cup o' tea. Instrumentation is good, but the center infotainment screen washes out in sunlight. It's the next gen from my XF, but not 100% sure it's any leap forward.

    The More Less Good
    Noise: Now, it is a loaner, not sure how early a build, but at least three pronounced creaks and rattles. Road noise/tires drone.
    Visibility: Thick A/B/C pillars. Rear headrests must be removed, they block 40% of the rear window. If you're claustrophobic, maybe not for you, at least not in all black.
    The suspension: Holy pogo stick, Batman! We have a few largish speed bumps at work. Going over them reasonably slowly, the front end is OK, but the rear rockets straight up to the stars! Fine on smooth roads, but anything larger than a minor imperfection, you will hear and feel it.

    Still on my list, keeping in mind it is a '17 and a service loaner. So, maybe a fresher, '18 would have some of the noise issues worked out...

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 263,787
    nyccarguy said:

    Ooh, yeah, then I could drive down to John's Pizza on Bleecker St. in NYC.

    Just let me know when. That's where I met @corvette for dinner when he was in town.
    My wife and I ate there on our trip to NYC. 2012, I think?

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,613
    edited February 2018
    fintail said:

    . . . they don't tend to attract the most careful motorists.

    I'm triggered. Looks like time for an elitist alert, or at least a safe space.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    This one has caught my attention:

    http://hitecauto.com/2004-Porsche-911/Used-Car/SanRafael-CA/10641987/Details.aspx

    I might at least go look at it tomorrow. I mean, what's the harm? B)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 263,787

    This one has caught my attention:

    http://hitecauto.com/2004-Porsche-911/Used-Car/SanRafael-CA/10641987/Details.aspx

    I might at least go look at it tomorrow. I mean, what's the harm? B)

    Those wheels aren't chromed, are they? Don't love them, either way. Are they part of the 40th anniversary package?

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,410

    This one has caught my attention:

    http://hitecauto.com/2004-Porsche-911/Used-Car/SanRafael-CA/10641987/Details.aspx

    I might at least go look at it tomorrow. I mean, what's the harm? B)

    I AM STUNNED at this car's condition. It looks like it has 13K, not 113K on the odometer. Looks like a lot of expensive repairs & maintenance have been performed (clutch, flywheel, IMS bearing). Let us know what you think.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,712
    This one has caught my attention: http://hitecauto.com/2004-Porsche-911/Used-Car/SanRafael-CA/10641987/Details.aspx I might at least go look at it tomorrow. I mean, what's the harm? B)
    What does the anniversary pack add to the car? Because that is a $15k car in regular ole coupe form.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,355
    It's just a stereotype or rep. Altima drivers are kind of known as the kin to BMW drivers, aggressive highway driving :)

    I'm triggered. Looks like time for an elitist alert, or at least a safe space.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    qbrozen said:



    This one has caught my attention:

    http://hitecauto.com/2004-Porsche-911/Used-Car/SanRafael-CA/10641987/Details.aspx

    I might at least go look at it tomorrow. I mean, what's the harm? B)

    What does the anniversary pack add to the car? Because that is a $15k car in regular ole coupe form.

    It's fairly substantial:

    * GT Silver exterior paint
    * X51 Power Package. Increasing horsepower from 315 to 345 horsepower.
    * Sport Suspension
    * 18" Polished Wheels
    * Lightweight Sport Seats w/ backs painted GT Silver
    * Turbo Style front end
    * Turbo Rocker Panels
    * Center Console painted GT Silver
    * Full Leather Interior
    * Aluminum Accented Instruments
    * 911 Badged Door Sill


    The car also has heated seats, NAV, sunroof, Bose and Xenons.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,211
    nyccarguy said:

    Ooh, yeah, then I could drive down to John's Pizza on Bleecker St. in NYC.

    Just let me know when. That's where I met @corvette for dinner when he was in town.
    Yeah, that's a great, authentic pizza place. Can't go wrong with that!
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
     Pennsylvania man great write up on the auto show he went to earlier in the week 
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
     Nice cars posted a ball guys 
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,186

    This one has caught my attention:

    http://hitecauto.com/2004-Porsche-911/Used-Car/SanRafael-CA/10641987/Details.aspx

    I might at least go look at it tomorrow. I mean, what's the harm? B)

    Wow, that's pretty. The mileage worries me though, because the description is a little light on maintenance work and any needs it may have. At that mileage you could be looking at a lot of very expensive stuff.

    But it sure is pretty.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,211
    That 2007 911 Turbo... $69k seems steep. What does a well-equipped new one go for, $180k or so? 40% residual on an eleven year old car seems a bit much. Maybe I'm way off.
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