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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    I was interested enough in the CVT transmission flush (or more accurately, drain and refill) to do a quick google search. For the Altima, it takes up to 6 quarts, and Nissan insists that you use their fluid at $15 a quart. So about $90 for the fluid, and an hour or so in your driveway. As usual, videos are available on youtube.

    One story, in a Nissan forum, the dealer asked for $800, the owner found an indy shop who did it for $280.

    Premium fuel here in Texas is 93 octane. And the price increase for 93 octane over 87 octane varies widely. The closest Chevron station is charging 80 cents per gallon more, while the HEB is at 33 cents more. Quite a variance.

    As to how long cars can be expected to last – I can recall reading a number of opinions in these very forums. There seemed to be a general consensus that a car with over 200k miles was basically “used up”. I grew up in a different era, odometers could not even record over 100k miles (they “rolled over”). Any car which had exceeded that mark was considered to be very much “over the hill”.

    I have owned a few cars and trucks which were over 100k. And mostly I wound up wishing I hadn’t owned them. The exceptions were vehicles which I owned long term, put on most of those miles myself, and thus they were properly maintained. In some cases they were used rather hard, but never abused.

    If you go out to the Ford truck forums, there are some big arguments raging between the ecoboost supporters and the V8 true believers. Basically, the V8 true believers think the NA V8 engine will last a lot longer than the twin turbo V6. And they may be right, only time will tell. In the meantime, everyone acknowledges that the twin turbo V6 is faster, more fun to drive, gets better mpg, etc, etc.
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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    benjaminh - my budget is "as cheap as I can get away with and still get a quality car." The 2017 Nissan Sentra SR Turbo 6-speed is Super Black with the Premium Package. With that you get a larger entertainment screen and Nissan Connect. So I'll get Nissan Mobile Apps, which is Nissan's version of Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Turbo 188hp engine for extra power beyond the Sentra you drove as a rental.

    It will also have leather seats, steering wheel and gearknob. Heated front seats. The wheels are nice, painted brush aluminum and it has 17" wheels, cheaper than the 18" I had on my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. The price on the car is down to $14,981. So it's down in the range of the 2017 Toyota Yaris iA now - very reasonable.


    Check out this YouTube video from MotoMan. There's 3 videos in all on the Nissan Sentra SR Turbo. For MotoMan it's gotta be a 6-speed stick, too, like myself.

    https://youtu.be/FzUzGwLn3Cg




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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,841
    To be fair, there is a big difference between a rental spec CVT version, and the turbo 6 speed.

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,021
    jmonroe1 said:

    sb55 said:



    Remember, a fine wine can not be consumed before it's time. 

    Have you ever driven either one?  Wouldn’t that make sense rather than what they looked like?
    Why bring logic into this discussion? He seems to be perfectly happy getting drunk watching others test drive the car/s he lusts for. I didn't think we did it like that in here. :o

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    Didn’t know we had rules.

    Bingo-boingo-bango!

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,896
    jmonroe1 said:

    blockquote class="Quote" rel="Michaell">

    ab348 said:


    driver100 said:

    driver100 said:

    A friends sister bought a used 2014 Nissan Sentra. The CVT transmission has to be replaced at a cost of $4200 CDN, about $3200 USD.

    In the US there is a class action lemon law suit:
    Nissan CVT issues are common among Nissan vehicles. Otherwise known as a continuously variable transmission, the feature was intended to increase the performance of vehicles by creating smoother gear shift capability. From 2012 to 2018, several models of Nissan vehicles received the transmission, including the Sentra, Versa, Versa Note, Altima, Rogue, and Murano models.
    Some of the most common issues with the vehicles directly relate to the transmission. Reported issues include loss of power, transmission jerking, transmission slipping, CVT coolant hose leaks and failures, and a CVT error message being displayed. These problems call the Nissan CVT transmission reliability into question and can result in serious harm to unsuspecting drivers.
    Nissan extended the warranty on some of these vehicles equipped with the CVT transmission from 5 years or 60,000 miles to 10 years or 120,000 miles. The extension covers repairs, replacements, and towing for issues related to the continuously variable transmission. For the warranty to be effective, vehicle owners must take their Nissan to a dealership for repairs.

    Canada doesn't have a law suit going yet, and her car has 124000 miles on it! They are looking into it to see if there is a recall or fix. I don't know if I would buy a Nissan product....even a NISMO.

    I don't know, a tranny failure at 124k miles while disappointing doesn't seem to warrant a class action lawsuit. The other question is why you would spend that kind of money on a miled up car.
    Shouldn't a transmission last about 300000 or 400000 miles at least? And, she bought the car with less miles on it and she added about 30000 miles, but, it will cost more to fix the car than the car is worth.

    Sometimes those Nissan CVTs can be revived with a trans fluid flush and refill. That is assuming no broken parts internally I believe @Michaell has some experience with this. 
    Yes, I have a friend who bought a new Nissan Versa sedan with the CVT, and put over 100k on it in 4 years. The transmission started acting up and they thought it would have to be replaced. The flush and refill of the transmission fluid did the trick and the cost was less than $1000.


    I hope it was a lot less than $1000 for just a fluid change. Like $800 less or more. When Mrs. j's 2012 Subie Legacy was in for an engine oil change about a year ago, although her car did not need a tranny flush and refill, I asked how much that would be and the guy said, "with the low miles on your car I doubt you'll ever need one but if it did, it's around $150 today".

    jmonroe

    I think they paid something like $600 or so for the CVT service.

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  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    Oh Canada, how could you legalize pot nation wide. What's next, legalized gambling and prostitution?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,841
    all that and free healthcare?

    All they need to do is get rid of that pesky cold air, and I am in!

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think this it's more likely about EV, or powertrains in general.

    I believe EV is the current agreement. Ford stock is pretty low priced right now and there is pressure in the market for Ford to do something to change that. With their super shares, the family really controls what Ford does here. The family can't be happy right now.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,526

    abacomike said:

    Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try!  :D

    I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

    But you haven't left yet, right?

    And the day isn't over?
    Maybe they are open until midnight!

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,526
    bwia said:

    Oh Canada, how could you legalize pot nation wide. What's next, legalized gambling and prostitution?

    The government is desperate for money. Funny how things that are illegal for private industry, suddenly become legal when the government wants to run it.

    People are calling for orders.....post office will deliver but you have to show I.D. and be 18 or 19....not sure.

    I told Mrs Driver we should phone and order some and try it.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,014
    Local media here at least have had a field day with it. Aside from the health risks, the stupefying effects. and general stink of the stuff the biggest problem I have it it is that it is so dirty and ugly-looking when people smoke it, which most do. A short, crooked, burned up brown hand-rolled doobie is about the most off-putting thing anyone can bring to their lips IMO, making an already unattractive thing (smoking) even more unattractive. I had a short phase of it when I was much younger and want nothing to do with it now.

    At least the media managed to find a bunch of dirty, shaggy, poorly-dressed prototypical pothead types to put on the TV news tonight. The place I used to work at is responsible for selling it here and they have spent millions on a bunch of glossy-looking stores along with staff training, etc., trying to class it up. Odd to be buying your weed from a government employee in a government store. That was the wrong decision by our provincial government but was not surprising. If I was still employed there this would have forced me into retirement, as there would have been no way I would have wanted to be a part of this.

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,385
    edited October 2018
    jmonroe1 said:
    Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try!  :D

    I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!
    You ain't outta of there yet. Guys, there is still hope for a Mike sales story today. B) jmonroe
    Nope, got home at 3:00 PM.  They did a great job on the car - they used clay for deep cleaning and two coats of wax - car is sparkling.

    They also did the interior and leather seats.

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,385
    Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try!  :D

    I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!
    But you haven't left yet, right? And the day isn't over?
    The day is over!  No new car!

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,595
    abacomike said:



    abacomike said:

    Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try!  :D

    I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!

    But you haven't left yet, right?

    And the day isn't over?

    The day is over!  No new car!

    What's this world coming to?

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,481


    When I was younger (and much poorer), I used to bust knuckles all the time. Now? Hardly at all. Not a lot an owner can do themselves, anymore.

    I dunno. I still get a lot done on mine. It's when things go wrong and start throwing codes that gets tricky.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,841
    I don't have a lift so not getting underneath, or wheels off of it. So that pretty well limits what you can do. air filters, wipers, bulbs, pretty much it!

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,481
    stickguy said:

    I don't have a lift so not getting underneath, or wheels off of it. So that pretty well limits what you can do. air filters, wipers, bulbs, pretty much it!

    Yeah, it would be fantastic to have a lift! My gravel driveway offers a good back scratch as a side benefit to crawling underneath. :)
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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,590
    abacomike said:
    Well, I have been here at the West Palm Beach Mercedes-Benz dealership for 3 hours  now for a complete detail and have not bought a new car - not that I didn’t try!  :D

    I did Drive the new E450 Sedan - it is FAST!  But no new car - told ya!
    But you haven't left yet, right? And the day isn't over?
    The day is over!  No new car!
    There is still time, he could drive back right now and get a deal done.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,841
    the dealer probably did such a nice detail, assuming they are getting the car back soon to resell.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,896
    ab348 said:

    Local media here at least have had a field day with it. Aside from the health risks, the stupefying effects. and general stink of the stuff the biggest problem I have it it is that it is so dirty and ugly-looking when people smoke it, which most do. A short, crooked, burned up brown hand-rolled doobie is about the most off-putting thing anyone can bring to their lips IMO, making an already unattractive thing (smoking) even more unattractive. I had a short phase of it when I was much younger and want nothing to do with it now.

    At least the media managed to find a bunch of dirty, shaggy, poorly-dressed prototypical pothead types to put on the TV news tonight. The place I used to work at is responsible for selling it here and they have spent millions on a bunch of glossy-looking stores along with staff training, etc., trying to class it up. Odd to be buying your weed from a government employee in a government store. That was the wrong decision by our provincial government but was not surprising. If I was still employed there this would have forced me into retirement, as there would have been no way I would have wanted to be a part of this.

    We've had legal pot in Colorado for a few years now. It's helped the economy quite a bit (the sales tax on it is something like 15%, plus excise and other taxes on top of that).

    I think over the next few years you're going to see some big names in the agribusiness industry get involved.

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,023
    suydam said:

    jmonroe1 said:

    sb55 said:



    Remember, a fine wine can not be consumed before it's time. 

    Have you ever driven either one?  Wouldn’t that make sense rather than what they looked like?
    Why bring logic into this discussion? He seems to be perfectly happy getting drunk watching others test drive the car/s he lusts for. I didn't think we did it like that in here. :o

    jmonroe
    Didn’t know we had rules.

    Officially we don't but when common sense is used we do. Some have problems with that but most in here don't.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,014
    Michaell said:


    We've had legal pot in Colorado for a few years now. It's helped the economy quite a bit (the sales tax on it is something like 15%, plus excise and other taxes on top of that).

    I think over the next few years you're going to see some big names in the agribusiness industry get involved.

    Well, 15% is what we pay on everything here, including this. There is a small excise tax applied but nothing even close to what goes against booze here, the rationalization being that they needed to keep it low to drive out the black market. Somehow I don't think that is going to happen. We are already seeing government-sponsored ads saying use it responsibly, not to drive high, etc., so I don't think there is going to be a big bonanza for government here given the expenses they are going to incur. Maybe collecting income and corporate taxes from those who used to deal it for cash, I dunno.

    Lots of big names into the corporate growers here already, like Constellation Brands. A bunch of ex-politicians are involved in it too, pretty hypocritical. The booze business was always a crappy business, but I have to imagine this is even worse given that most of the players were all breaking the law up to a short time ago, so their ethical standards probably are not the greatest.

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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    How quickly they forget. This was big news back in April of this year.

    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    John Boehner is heading for the boardroom of a cannabis company, the former Speaker of the House announced Wednesday.

    "I'm joining the board of #AcreageHoldings because my thinking on cannabis has evolved," the Ohio Republican tweeted. " I'm convinced de-scheduling the drug is needed so we can do research, help our veterans, and reverse the opioid epidemic ravaging our communities."

    Boehner, who served as Speaker from 2011 until his resignation from Congress in 2015, was appointed to the board of advisers at Acreage Holdings, a multi-state cannabis business that aims to "make cannabis available to any patient who can benefit from safe and reliable access."

    His decision to join the board is a marked shift -- in 2009, Boehner said he was "unalterably opposed" to legalization, according to Bloomberg.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,841
    that is before they offered him the money.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,202
    Laws and ethics lol. Abiding by something just because it is a law has nothing to do with being ethical. Dirty, ugly, stinky, sounds like tobacco, too. Maybe people can have the personal freedom to choose to smoke or not. I've never even touched a cigarette and never will, and IMO laws against one kind of smoking, while allowing the other, are asinine as possible - and that's saying something given the American legal system.

    Pot has been legal in my state for several years. Society hasn't collapsed. It won't collapse in Canada either, in fact, I will wager it leads to less ills than booze and tobacco - substances that have rich lobbyist movements on their sides. Eventually, once some whiny old regressives hang em up, the US will evolve too.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,526
    edited October 2018
    ab348 said:

    Local media here at least have had a field day with it. Aside from the health risks, the stupefying effects. and general stink of the stuff the biggest problem I have it it is that it is so dirty and ugly-looking when people smoke it, which most do.

    Ab, I have been watching these losers on TV saying what a great day for Canada....I can't help but think I would never want to spend 1 minute with any of them. I like the anti-potheads with signs......Making Marijuana Morons.

    Canadians who try to take Pot across the border won't be allowed into the U.S. And, if you admit to using it or work in a facility that makes it or sells it...you will be stopped at the border.

    I have to add, to each his own..........it doesn't matter, but, I can see where it could be a safety issue as far as driving is concerned.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,122
    benjaminh said:

    stickguy said:

    After a while, my wife just tells me to go get whatever I want (as long as it doesn’t involve her car). She gets tired of hearing about it. Plus, she knows that I am too cheapReally cheapFrugal to do anything that will break us financially!

    I also believe in the theory that it is better to ask forgiveness than permission. Or at least, more fun.

    Yeah, I'm afraid I've done that too. We laughed about it just today, about how when I got my TLX I called to say I was sheltering from a huge rain storm at the Acura dealer—which was true as far as it went, but only part of the story. It was only an hour or so later that I called to confess that I was really there because I considering getting one. She was surprised to say the least, but when I told her about the good deal, the qualities of the car, etc., she decided it was ok. She trusted I wouldn't do something against the financial interests of the family.
    I bid on my 2002 on eBay not expecting I'd win the auction. My wife was a good sport about it; and it ended up being my son's first car.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,526
    Were you $4000 under water on your current car?

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  • sb55sb55 Member Posts: 646
    With rhe talk about octane.
    My truck says “premium recommended”. Since I’m towing a 8000 lb Airstream I’m using premium. We have been on the road for 3 weeks and over 4200 miles so far: From Vermont to New Mexico.  We are now riding the I-40 corridor back to Tennessee and North Carolina to visit family. (I’m currently in Oklahoma tonight). Anyway, premium in NM was either 91, or some out of the way places,  only 90.  On the east coast, premium is usually 93. 
    Do you need less octane at higher elevations?  

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    stickguy said:

    that is before they offered him the money.

    He should tell it to the poor people in jail.
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,021
    edited October 2018
    You do realize that there are other options besides smoking pot, like edibles? Neither dirty nor smoky, unlike cigarettes. And many people who are very ethical use pot, just like some drink alcohol. This is just recognizing what people already do, as happened when we ended Prohibition.
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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,595
    henryn said:

    How quickly they forget. This was big news back in April of this year.

    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    John Boehner is heading for the boardroom of a cannabis company, the former Speaker of the House announced Wednesday.

    "I'm joining the board of #AcreageHoldings because my thinking on cannabis has evolved," the Ohio Republican tweeted. " I'm convinced de-scheduling the drug is needed so we can do research, help our veterans, and reverse the opioid epidemic ravaging our communities."

    Boehner, who served as Speaker from 2011 until his resignation from Congress in 2015, was appointed to the board of advisers at Acreage Holdings, a multi-state cannabis business that aims to "make cannabis available to any patient who can benefit from safe and reliable access."

    His decision to join the board is a marked shift -- in 2009, Boehner said he was "unalterably opposed" to legalization, according to Bloomberg.

    I suggest that this is getting into politics by picking one well known individual to front on while there are many others who "evolved" in their thinking who have gone into the marijuana business while having made statements earlier to the contrary. Often those connections will have been obscured to make it difficult for the public to know they're involved.

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  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    Prohibitions are great - for the criminals (profits) and law enforcement (self-importance, money). They often cause the epidemics they want to prevent and make criminals smarter, more focused and better organized then they would be otherwise.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,526
    Accident rates up 6% more in states that legalized pot.........all of us suffer....higher insurance rates, and safety is compromised.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,052
    Not here to fall on one side or the other on the Marijuana debate. Personally, it doesn’t make a hill of beans to me whether someone ingests it or not. But, if the studies are to be believed, there is more good than harm that comes from it.

    I remember taking an elective in college (those many years ago) that did a deep dive into the drug trade and its effect on society, at that time (early ‘80s). Back then, it was cocaine as the “big drug” as it was pouring into FL from the cartels. Economically, it was mentioned that cocaine saved southern FL.

    The course went through all the legal and illicit drugs, and their effect on society. The opioid crisis we’re seeing today was actually predicted (at least in this course) 35 years ago. The adverse effects of heroin addiction (both mentally and physically) were what we are seeing today.

    The only illicit “drug” that was seen as beneficial at the time was marijuana. And, the course made a conclusion that it was NOT a gateway drug.

    Fast forward to today, business rules. It took some time how to figure out how to make money at it and how to use it for a variety of illnesses, but it’s now becoming legal. I think in the U.S. it’s legally available in ½ the states. Ohio ain’t one of them, but that’s only because a fight erupted on how to divy up the profits. They’ll figure that out.

    For the record, I’ve never used it. Doubt I would, unless it would have a positive effect on some illness I may have.

    From what I’ve seen and heard, the preferred way of using it is as an ingredient in baked goods. I think those days of rolling it up in a cigarette may be a thing of the past. Can’t remember the last time I smelled any at a concert. That said, it could be because you don’t find any users at the Cincinnati Pops concerts.
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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,526
    sb55 said:


    Do you need less octane at higher elevations?  

    Yes, you don't need as much octane at higher altitudes.

    Seems to be something about the right pollution control devices can lower the amount of octane needed...as in California. Something about the higher the octane level the more pollution is created at the manufacturing level.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,526
    I just wonder how many people that are into the harder stuff....started with weed?

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,014
    edited October 2018
    fintail said:

    Laws and ethics lol. Abiding by something just because it is a law has nothing to do with being ethical. Dirty, ugly, stinky, sounds like tobacco, too. Maybe people can have the personal freedom to choose to smoke or not. I've never even touched a cigarette and never will, and IMO laws against one kind of smoking, while allowing the other, are asinine as possible - and that's saying something given the American legal system.

    Pot has been legal in my state for several years. Society hasn't collapsed. It won't collapse in Canada either, in fact, I will wager it leads to less ills than booze and tobacco - substances that have rich lobbyist movements on their sides. Eventually, once some whiny old regressives hang em up, the US will evolve too.

    Well, I haven't seen too many ethical producers or dealers of anything illegal in my years in the business. Maybe there are a few, I dunno. I dealt with a number of them and they were all pond scum.

    If you think the weed industry doesn't employ high-priced lobbyists, think again. Their influence goes far beyond that of the booze and tobacco industries here, especially the latter, who are pariahs that cannot even get an audience in govt circles. Locally, our ex-Premier (Governor equivalent) is one of the main lobbyists. One of our former Prime Ministers just recently joined the Board of one of the big corporate producers, to open a few high-level doors, no doubt. Politicians are all chasing the pot of weed gold that they see in the sky.

    Smoking it is by far the main way of consuming it here. Edibles are not even legal here yet and will not be for at least another year as the gears of govt bureaucracy slowly grind away to try to determine how to deal with them. The thing with edibles is that it takes an hour or two for them to get you high, so they are not the preferred way of use for the party crowd. But no worries, our govt weed store will sell you a crackpipe or bong to help you use it, and offer you lessons too. If you cannot master how to roll a joint, they sell pre-made ones. And our moronic municipal govt made use legal in public spaces. Can't have a beer on the sidewalk but you can toke away. But people who used to smoke menthol cigarettes can no longer buy them because they are banned. Hypocrisy, much?

    From the car-related POV police here have not yet found a way to determine at the roadside a reliable way of determining whether a driver is high. They say they need a blood test. Likely the only way that will happen is after a crash, or if they see grossly bad driving behavior. Lovely.

    There are lots of folks here claiming to be medical users. But the thing is, there has been very little credible research done on the subject, because it has been illegal. Now hopefully that will change. I'm sure there are some things that it is good for. But as my doctor told me, she will not write any kind of prescription for it until she sees those peer-reviewed studies herself that show benefits. Right now a lot of it is just snake oil and folk medicine. Those of a certain age will recall entertainers way back when joking about using booze for "medicinal purposes only", and this is very similar. I like to think of Snoop Dogg as the Dean Martin of this generation.

    Of course the other thing that happened yesterday is that there are now voices calling for Canada to become the next Portugal and legalize all drugs. Not a place I would want to live in, thanks.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,841
    Plenty started with alcohol instead.

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,590
    driver100 said:
    I just wonder how many people that are into the harder stuff....started with weed?
    I can say that a majority of those I have know that did weed also did harder stuff. Not to say that one led to the other but there was a correlation.

    To keep this car related when I was typing correlation above my autocorrect suggested Corolla after I typed in the first 3 letters. Is this my phones way to tell me I'm spending to much time here?

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  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    edited October 2018
    The problem with marijuana is marketing, or to be more specific, branding. No one can settle on a name with a positive connotation. Pot, connotes potheads and illicit behavior. Weed, a Rastafarian lifestyle. Cannabis, a term used by growers to promote its medicinal value. When the branding issue is pinned down there will be an explosion of marijuana use and public policy edicts will decry it while the revenue officers will love the tax receipts.

    On a related note my daughter, who works for a big tobacco company, says her company is positioning itself to enter the marijuana business. They are working on several prototype delivery systems while promoting product uniformity a la John D. Rockefeller with Standard Oil and Whiskey makers vs the moonshiners.
  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    edited October 2018
    delete double posting
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,052
    driver100 said:

    I just wonder how many people that are into the harder stuff....started with weed?

    @driver100 ....I think that’s a good question. I also think you have to expand it and ask how many people who drink a beer, or wine, or Jack Daniels went on to try marijuana?

    Expand that even further....how many people eat potato chips because they used marijuana?

    Point being, I feel there’s always a cause and effect you can make about any of this. Marijuana has been studied for decades and decades. To my knowledge, there has never been anything definitive regarding it’s use and the tie in to harmful drugs....although, it seems there has been a concerted effort to make that link.

    I’m not opposed to marijuana. I’ve seen its benefits with friends of mine and with family. It’s helped with cancer treatment. It’s helped ease some severe anxiety. It’s helped with eye sight issues. In short, I’ve seen it’s benefits with a number of people who have a myriad of uses for it.

    I’m not a user, but I am an advocate.
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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,608
    edited October 2018
    sb55 said:

    Do you need less octane at higher elevations?

    Absolutely, unless you have a forced-induction (turbo or supercharger) engine which compensates for the higher elevation. The higher elevation (less dense air) effectively lowers the compression ratio of the engine, and high octane gasoline was developed to eliminate pre-ignition (knocking) caused by the pressures produced by high compression engines.

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,385
    I have never experimented with pot or other drugs.  Now that smoking pot is legal in many States, I could never try it due to my COPD problems.  One of the major reasons I stay away from the casino is the smoke.

    As far as ingesting the pot, why should I play games with my liver or kidneys?  I even stopped having my scotch every night as a nightcap to reduce the stress on my liver.

    Saw the doctor Tuesday and my blood test for liver enzymes was normal - first time the results were normal.  I attribute the good results to being cured of Hepatitis C.

    So why take chances?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,202
    Plenty of pond scum, no matter the legality. Legality has nothing to do with ethics, and often, everything to do with the size of a bank account and the rank of one's connections. This isn't an egalitarian meritocracy, no matter how much we want to pretend we are about freedom and justice.

    If the industry had big money lobbyists, archaic laws would have been changed ages ago. It's just now that smoking one plant is beginning to be seen as no greater evil than smoking another plant, and it will still take time for logic to prevail, with so many useless overmonied puritanical fuddy duddys like Jefferson Beauregard having influence. Politicos chasing revenues aren't the same as huge corporations who have bought politicians and laws for generations. Big tobacco and booze are literal global empires, and operate in a near void of accountability. If booze and cigs were real pariahs, there would be tighter regulation than we have today, which admittedly is more than seen a couple generations ago when things were great. I don't know of many with more of a persecution complex than tobacco smokers, especially of certain demographics.

    I will definitely agree public consumption should be treated just like normal cigs - banned in the same spaces. As far as I know, it is here. You can't indulge in wacky tobacky here in a space where traditional smoking is prohibited. I suspect the medical excuse will fade away now that it is legal. I have no doubt it provided benefit for some people, but was also used as a means to an end for many others. For car-related issues, that's for lawmakers to sort out - make them earn their pay and bloated bennies. It barely works for booze, they can do it for this too.

    It may be as easy as this - does the cost of prohibition outweigh the benefits? Seeing as prohibition has a nearly perfect track record of failure and ever more expensive enforcement, along with helping to create even more disregard for law enforcement, I have serious doubts.

    Regarding a place you want to live, you are free to move here to Absurdistan/Murka, but I bet you wouldn't want to ;)
    ab348 said:

    fintail said:


    Well, I haven't seen too many ethical producers or dealers of anything illegal in my years in the business. Maybe there are a few, I dunno. I dealt with a number of them and they were all pond scum.

    If you think the weed industry doesn't employ high-priced lobbyists, think again. Their influence goes far beyond that of the booze and tobacco industries here, especially the latter, who are pariahs that cannot even get an audience in govt circles. Locally, our ex-Premier (Governor equivalent) is one of the main lobbyists. One of our former Prime Ministers just recently joined the Board of one of the big corporate producers, to open a few high-level doors, no doubt. Politicians are all chasing the pot of weed gold that they see in the sky.

    Of course the other thing that happened yesterday is that there are now voices calling for Canada to become the next Portugal and legalize all drugs. Not a place I would want to live in, thanks.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,202
    And likely drank or used tobacco even before that. I am not aware of any studies providing a solid link.
    driver100 said:

    I just wonder how many people that are into the harder stuff....started with weed?

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,202
    Link?

    Compared to states where it isn't? Any data about usage in said states no matter the legality? I can say without hesitation that usage here was common long before it was legal.
    driver100 said:

    Accident rates up 6% more in states that legalized pot.........all of us suffer....higher insurance rates, and safety is compromised.

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,021

    henryn said:

    How quickly they forget. This was big news back in April of this year.

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    John Boehner is heading for the boardroom of a cannabis company, the former Speaker of the House announced Wednesday.

    "I'm joining the board of #AcreageHoldings because my thinking on cannabis has evolved," the Ohio Republican tweeted. " I'm convinced de-scheduling the drug is needed so we can do research, help our veterans, and reverse the opioid epidemic ravaging our communities."

    Boehner, who served as Speaker from 2011 until his resignation from Congress in 2015, was appointed to the board of advisers at Acreage Holdings, a multi-state cannabis business that aims to "make cannabis available to any patient who can benefit from safe and reliable access."

    His decision to join the board is a marked shift -- in 2009, Boehner said he was "unalterably opposed" to legalization, according to Bloomberg.

    I suggest that this is getting into politics by picking one well known individual to front on while there are many others who "evolved" in their thinking who have gone into the marijuana business while having made statements earlier to the contrary. Often those connections will have been obscured to make it difficult for the public to know they're involved.

    Except Boehner isn’t a politician any more, just a private citizen.
    As for the supposed 6% accident increase, remember that correlation does not imply causality. The studies do not suggest these extra accidents were actually caused by people who were high. It could be due to a number of factors — more older or younger drivers in a state, poorer roads, speed limit increases. . . That was a very reckless suggestion to make, even though the body of the article walked it back.
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