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thebean · July 2019

I don’t recall any recent posts from @henryn. I hope that ol’ Houston humidity hasn’t gotten to him.

jmonroe1 · July 2019

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
Driver, if you need to spray on a big area, they make attachments for your hose with a container and mix dial that you put on, fill with the stuff, then just spray on.
I got the Activol which ab suggested...no bleach or harsh chemicals, actually bought a $16 sprayer, and got a tough bristle brush $6. Just did it, used half the stuff so can use it next year, takes about one hour and a half...have to wait for it to dry for 15 minutes twice. Used a hose and it looks really good, a power washer would be even better.

So simple, even I could do it and Mrs D says I have to give you a lot of credit for trying it. She admires me for my pickleball skills and cleaning a deck.
I'll admire you too if you start doing my deck with what you have left over. But on your way over get another jug or two because my deck is 40 feet x 12 feet. That's the least you can do for me given I'm responsible for some of the best novels you've ever read.

jmonroe
Now that I have proven my ability to clean decks - and it looks like new btw - you want to be my buddie. When I said we could meet in Sarasota you weren't so keen.....so, do your own 40X12 deck. Ours is about 9X10 and is all we need.

No, I dont want to be your buddy. I want someone to clean my deck before I stain it. I know I'm late, what with the Summer half over, but there were mitigating circumstances, like the flip house. So, you have 9X10 deck. Well, let me tell you something, where I come from that ain't no deck. It's, for lack of a better description, it's a wannabe. FWIW, the deck that was here when I moved in was 10X16, which was waaaay to puny for us.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · July 2019

thebean said:
I don’t recall any recent posts from @henryn. I hope that ol’ Houston humidity hasn’t gotten to him.

Nah, Hank can handle that. He stepped away from this site for a while to cool off due to what he might say about our new system upgrade.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

Oh oh, Tesla is hitting the skids after losing 3X what was predicted. This on increased sales. How long can this go on?

Just posted a random picture while I can.

thebean · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

thebean said:
I don’t recall any recent posts from @henryn. I hope that ol’ Houston humidity hasn’t gotten to him.
Nah, Hank can handle that. He stepped away from this site for a while to cool off due to what he might say about our new system upgrade.

jmonroe

Thanks for the info. Good to hear he’s OK.

dino001 · July 2019

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.

Why do you assume it has to be useless trinkets? How about something breaks in your house some rural place in Arizona, Wyoming, or Nebraska, the needed part is very specific. Interned enables you to find out what it actually is, part number, local hardware stores says sure, it will cost $50 bucks and you get it in 2 weeks. Amazon (or whatever else sells it) has it for $40, including shipping and you get it in a couple of days.

I respectfully disagree. You have too much contempt to people's use of the Internet and commerce. As before, I can make same sounding story with print (ordering useless cr.p from Sears catalog 50 years ago). And you conveniently ignored all those other aspects I mentioned. Just because something is misused, even a lot, doesn't make it "useless". Printing press has been misused - a lot. A lot of harm came from it. I still think it was probably an invention with positive impact far exceeding any harm it made. In fact I put it as comparable to wheel and more groundbreaking than steam engine, or jet engine. I also think internet protocol is today's version of printing press. In fact it allowed to perfect strangers who never met and will likely never meet exchange views on important and less important subjects.

laurasdada · July 2019

Just booked a Caribbean cruise for late September, ex. Miami. Perhaps an extra day or two to drive up to Boca, visit my aunt and cousin. My aunt is 91, perhaps she is one of the many women who have accosted abacomike!

Too bad the Boca Concourse is in February.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

laurasdada said:
Just booked a Caribbean cruise for late September, ex. Miami. Perhaps an extra day or two to drive up to Boca, visit my aunt and cousin. My aunt is 91, perhaps she is one of the many women who have accosted abacomike!

Too bad the Boca Concourse is in February.

Just don’t get off the boat in the Dominican Republic.

dino001 · July 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

laurasdada said:
Just booked a Caribbean cruise for late September, ex. Miami. Perhaps an extra day or two to drive up to Boca, visit my aunt and cousin. My aunt is 91, perhaps she is one of the many women who have accosted abacomike!

Too bad the Boca Concourse is in February.
Just don’t get off the boat in the Dominican Republic.

Avoid tainted alcohol.

explorerx4 · July 2019

Just poking around at some real estate in Cleveland area.
House caught my eye to look at the pictures.
Has some of the worst staging ever. 'Dining Room' cracked me up.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/12061-Lake-Ave_Lakewood_OH_44107_M33641-92724?view=qv

ab348 · July 2019

Maybe they eat out a lot and use it for family conferences.

berri · July 2019

I think the Internet is like most everything else, be a bit skeptical because it ain't all true. It offers a lot of convenience at the sometimes not realized lack of privacy leading to personal info being tracked. The biggest issue I have with it is the significant lack of security. I can't believe major corporations and government agencies put some very critical information on it allowing it to get hacked. Worse, the ease with which bad guys (criminals and international enemies) can use the Internet not only to spy, but to steal money and/or identities, and even shutdown major infrastructure. If we get into war with Iran, China, Russia, North Korea - this will likely become apparent to all. Personally, I follow the practice of understanding the trade-offs involved when I'm on it and being careful to not provide sensitive information on it that I don't want stolen. If a website wants too much info, I can live without it. You know the old saying - there's no free lunch. Sadly, you can only control so much because the various gov entities, as well as some businesses, allow too much to be publicly available.

driver100 · July 2019

dino001 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
Why do you assume it has to be useless trinkets? How about something breaks in your house some rural place in Arizona, Wyoming, or Nebraska, the needed part is very specific. Interned enables you to find out what it actually is, part number, local hardware stores says sure, it will cost $50 bucks and you get it in 2 weeks. Amazon (or whatever else sells it) has it for $40, including shipping and you get it in a couple of days.

Internet is fantastic....one of the largest steps to progress ever, up there with the printing press and car. You can order things, you can get news, business people can receive messages and answer when they want to, you can think about what you want to say, it is much faster than mail or courier, you can look up information, you can list parts or products and find them easily, get a map or directions, get reviews, discover new places, get information for traveling....it is unlimited and opens doors to a whole new world.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

laurasdada said:
Just booked a Caribbean cruise for late September, ex. Miami. Perhaps an extra day or two to drive up to Boca, visit my aunt and cousin. My aunt is 91, perhaps she is one of the many women who have accosted abacomike!

Too bad the Boca Concourse is in February.
Just don’t get off the boat in the Dominican Republic.
Avoid tainted alcohol.

As I understand it, that’s the problem, you can’t tell the good booze from the tainted stuff.

Michaell · July 2019

All y'all are wrong. The internet and microwave are not the best inventions from the 20th century.

I'll tell you what is ... and, you'll be surprised.

It's the washing machine.

Why?

Prior to wide spread adoption, women spent hours upon hours manually washing the clothes for the family. When a washing machine found its way into the house, that freed up so much time that many of these women were able to join the work force. This did wonders for our society; think about all the "Rosie the Riveters" who filled in on the factory floor during WW2.

"mic drop"

thebean · July 2019

dino001 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
Why do you assume it has to be useless trinkets? How about something breaks in your house some rural place in Arizona, Wyoming, or Nebraska, the needed part is very specific. Interned enables you to find out what it actually is, part number, local hardware stores says sure, it will cost $50 bucks and you get it in 2 weeks. Amazon (or whatever else sells it) has it for $40, including shipping and you get it in a couple of days.

I respectfully disagree. You have too much contempt to people's use of the Internet and commerce. As before, I can make same sounding story with print (ordering useless cr.p from Sears catalog 50 years ago). And you conveniently ignored all those other aspects I mentioned. Just because something is misused, even a lot, doesn't make it "useless". Printing press has been misused - a lot. A lot of harm came from it. I still think it was probably an invention with positive impact far exceeding any harm it made. In fact I put it as comparable to wheel and more groundbreaking than steam engine, or jet engine. I also think internet protocol is today's version of printing press. In fact it allowed to perfect strangers who never met and will likely never meet exchange views on important and less important subjects.

I respectfully disagree with the importance. We’re never going to convince each other, so let’s just end this discussion.

thebean · July 2019

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
Why do you assume it has to be useless trinkets? How about something breaks in your house some rural place in Arizona, Wyoming, or Nebraska, the needed part is very specific. Interned enables you to find out what it actually is, part number, local hardware stores says sure, it will cost $50 bucks and you get it in 2 weeks. Amazon (or whatever else sells it) has it for $40, including shipping and you get it in a couple of days.
Internet is fantastic....one of the largest steps to progress ever, up there with the printing press and car. You can order things, you can get news, business people can receive messages and answer when they want to, you can think about what you want to say, it is much faster than mail or courier, you can look up information, you can list parts or products and find them easily, get a map or directions, get reviews, discover new places, get information for traveling....it is unlimited and opens doors to a whole new world.

But at what cost to all the small businesses it has destroyed? I hate that most of the jobs being created today are most likely low paid service jobs or warehouse jobs. Just my opinion, and I don’t want to argue about it. Others will surely disagree.

imidazol97 · July 2019

graphicguy said:
Commenting about maintenance costs......My TLX’s total maintenance (so far) as follows....

2 (about to be 3) Synthetic Oil Changes (done by the dealer) @ $40/ea (with the requisite inspections)....3X$40=$120

Change differential fluid....$80

Engine Air Filter replacement (done by me).....$18

Interior Air Filter replacement (done by me)....$9

I figure the 27 month maintenance costs all totaled comes to $227.

I’m averaging about 22-23 MPG in 80% all city driving and have had a high of 37 MPG on an all highway trip. Hit a low of 19 MPG of an all city tank of gas that was made up mainly of stop and go traffic during mostly rush hour driving. All this according to the “FUELLY” app (figures it manually per fill up instead of using the car’s computer).

I have had ZERO trips to the dealership for warranty work.

Couldn’t be more pleased.

How many miles are on your vehicle?

imidazol97 · July 2019

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
Here is a question for you. Our deck was put in about 4 years ago. This year it has a coating of junk on it and a bit of green algae I guess. The patio is getting some kind of coating on it too.

How do I get rid of the dirt coating? Do I get a pressure washer. How much is one that is good enough for something like this? Can I wash it down with bleach or something? Should I call the guy?
My deck is the same way. If I ever get time I’ll scrub it with a bleach/soap solution using a stiff bristled brush. I do something similar to get the algae off the vinyl siding.
I got the special stuff ab recommended and a scrub brush, but Mrs D wants to get "The Guy". I think she thinks I am incompetent at these things.
I will say, it has me a bit worried, wear rubber gloves, do not splash any on you, wear safety glasses, cover plants, don't allow pets near it, don't get on skin.....etc, etc.

I'm glad this product worked for you. It's an oxygen generator. Much like oxyclean and other similar products, but this one is engineered to release the oxygen as it soaks into the dry wood. The pH it develops is rated at 10, so it's a little caustic.

I checked the Behr deck cleaner I have left and it's chlorine based as I thought.

explorerx4 · July 2019

I use Simple Green and a power washer to clean the deck(Azek).

ab348 · July 2019

imidazol97 said:
I am working through a current deck problem. My wood deck which I reboarded about 10 years ago has a spot of rot on the treated wood from Home Depot--the Premium 5/4 x 6 wood! My wife keeps deck carpets under the two areas of furniture on the deck. The last carpets has a rubberized backing and she left them on during the winter.

I am cutting out 3 boards and patching in new boards. I'm stalling off because I found Menards sells prestained high quality 5/4x6 deck boards. So I'll plan to have them delivered later into the fall and replace the deck when it's dry and cooler. Lots of screwing and unscrewing...

My deck was built in 2005 IIRC. Used 5/4x4" treated deck boards, but green treatment as that was all that was available here at the time (I believe the treatment is copper azide). I had my first rotted board 8 or 9 years later, with a few others happening each year after that. I have probably replaced 8 or so, although not entire boards as each is 16' long, so I do an 8' or 10' section as needed. I was disappointed in the number of rotten boards but have a theory that the 2 different pressure washings I gave it probably contributed to it. Water gets through cracks at the surface and has no way to get out. I won't pressure wash a wood deck again. Thankfully the rot now seems to have slowed down or stopped. There is one small questionable section of one board I may replace this year and that seems to be it. My deck was put down originally with long spiral nails so it is a job to get them out. I put down the replacements with screws.

imidazol97 · July 2019

Mine was around 2010. Or before a year or so. Rated treated for non-ground contact.

I find that Menards has cedar stained ground contact rated boards for replacement. So that's what I'm going to use, but leave a little more space between boards for air circulation. My deck is really a patio. It sits on a 12x15 concrete pad and extends to 22 feet sitting on short concrete piers I dug with a powered hole digger. Maybe 3 inches above ground. Quite an experience in my This Old House days. LOL There's not a lot of airflow underneath because it's close to the ground. But the rubber backed rugs kept the moisture in the boards through the summer and then winter after they were put down.

If the factory stain weakens, I'll use One Time Wood which polymerizes after penetrating the fibers to reseal. Menards cites a matching stain to use to recolor the boards. I might try that.

driver100 · July 2019

thebean said:

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
Why do you assume it has to be useless trinkets? How about something breaks in your house some rural place in Arizona, Wyoming, or Nebraska, the needed part is very specific. Interned enables you to find out what it actually is, part number, local hardware stores says sure, it will cost $50 bucks and you get it in 2 weeks. Amazon (or whatever else sells it) has it for $40, including shipping and you get it in a couple of days.
Internet is fantastic....one of the largest steps to progress ever, up there with the printing press and car. You can order things, you can get news, business people can receive messages and answer when they want to, you can think about what you want to say, it is much faster than mail or courier, you can look up information, you can list parts or products and find them easily, get a map or directions, get reviews, discover new places, get information for traveling....it is unlimited and opens doors to a whole new world.

But at what cost to all the small businesses it has destroyed? I hate that most of the jobs being created today are most likely low paid service jobs or warehouse jobs. Just my opinion, and I don’t want to argue about it. Others will surely disagree.

I actually agree with you about the changes it is making to the working world. But, you can't stop progress. People were worried about the buggy whip maker and the blacksmith when the car became popular. Can't artificially block things from happening. Usually progress leads to a better world eventually....we may need to accept the idea of a guaranteed income.

It takes time to adapt and change to this new age........but, we have to grow and change and make it work. Would you really want to go back to a pre-computer world? Another good thing is it keeps seniors minds busy, helping to keep our brain active and working. Lots of good things.

driver100 · July 2019

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
Here is a question for you. Our deck was put in about 4 years ago. This year it has a coating of junk on it and a bit of green algae I guess. The patio is getting some kind of coating on it too.

How do I get rid of the dirt coating? Do I get a pressure washer. How much is one that is good enough for something like this? Can I wash it down with bleach or something? Should I call the guy?
My deck is the same way. If I ever get time I’ll scrub it with a bleach/soap solution using a stiff bristled brush. I do something similar to get the algae off the vinyl siding.
I got the special stuff ab recommended and a scrub brush, but Mrs D wants to get "The Guy". I think she thinks I am incompetent at these things.
I will say, it has me a bit worried, wear rubber gloves, do not splash any on you, wear safety glasses, cover plants, don't allow pets near it, don't get on skin.....etc, etc.
I'm glad this product worked for you. It's an oxygen generator. Much like oxyclean and other similar products, but this one is engineered to release the oxygen as it soaks into the dry wood. The pH it develops is rated at 10, so it's a little caustic.

I checked the Behr deck cleaner I have left and it's chlorine based as I thought.

I think it keeps working even after it is washed....truly looks like new....all the green algae and dark spots are gone. You can hear it working.

fintail · July 2019

Funniest thing about the internet is that the generation who was warning us 25 years ago not to believe everything they read online is now the one falling for every conspiracy theory and piece of fake news on facebook and twitland.

andres3 · July 2019

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.

And selling useless cars doesn't benefit anyone but those that sell useless cars, tow truck companies, and auto repair shops.

That's been my argument since about the year 2000.

Michaell · July 2019

andres3 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
And selling useless cars doesn't benefit anyone but those that sell useless cars, tow truck companies, and auto repair shops.

That's been my argument since about the year 2000.

When did useless become the same as unreliable?

andres3 · July 2019

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
And selling useless cars doesn't benefit anyone but those that sell useless cars, tow truck companies, and auto repair shops.

That's been my argument since about the year 2000.
When did useless become the same as unreliable?

I suppose that occurs when you transition from reasonably unreliable to unreasonably unreliable?

snakeweasel · July 2019

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
And selling useless cars doesn't benefit anyone but those that sell useless cars, tow truck companies, and auto repair shops.

That's been my argument since about the year 2000.
When did useless become the same as unreliable?
I suppose that occurs when you transition from reasonably unreliable to unreasonably unreliable?

But a useless car can be very reliable and an unreliable car can be useful.

driver100 · July 2019

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
And selling useless cars doesn't benefit anyone but those that sell useless cars, tow truck companies, and auto repair shops.

That's been my argument since about the year 2000.
When did useless become the same as unreliable?
I suppose that occurs when you transition from reasonably unreliable to unreasonably unreliable?
But a useless car can be very reliable and an unreliable car can be useful.

Please give examples.

snakeweasel · July 2019

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
And selling useless cars doesn't benefit anyone but those that sell useless cars, tow truck companies, and auto repair shops.

That's been my argument since about the year 2000.
When did useless become the same as unreliable?
I suppose that occurs when you transition from reasonably unreliable to unreasonably unreliable?
But a useless car can be very reliable and an unreliable car can be useful.
Please give examples.

Well "usefull" is very subjective and dependent on the needs of the individual. A single individual with no kids living in a densely populated and congested area might find a Smart car useful but would consider a mini van useless. A single mother of three living in the suburbs would find the Smart car useless and a mini van usefull. In the later example the Smart car does not become any more useful to the mother if it is more reliable than the mini van.

driver100 · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
Driver, if you need to spray on a big area, they make attachments for your hose with a container and mix dial that you put on, fill with the stuff, then just spray on.
I got the Activol which ab suggested...no bleach or harsh chemicals, actually bought a $16 sprayer, and got a tough bristle brush $6. Just did it, used half the stuff so can use it next year, takes about one hour and a half...have to wait for it to dry for 15 minutes twice. Used a hose and it looks really good, a power washer would be even better.

So simple, even I could do it and Mrs D says I have to give you a lot of credit for trying it. She admires me for my pickleball skills and cleaning a deck.
I'll admire you too if you start doing my deck with what you have left over. But on your way over get another jug or two because my deck is 40 feet x 12 feet. That's the least you can do for me given I'm responsible for some of the best novels you've ever read.

jmonroe
Now that I have proven my ability to clean decks - and it looks like new btw - you want to be my buddie. When I said we could meet in Sarasota you weren't so keen.....so, do your own 40X12 deck. Ours is about 9X10 and is all we need.
No, I dont want to be your buddy. I want someone to clean my deck before I stain it. I know I'm late, what with the Summer half over, but there were mitigating circumstances, like the flip house. So, you have 9X10 deck. Well, let me tell you something, where I come from that ain't no deck. It's, for lack of a better description, it's a wannabe. FWIW, the deck that was here when I moved in was 10X16, which was waaaay to puny for us.

jmonroe

I go for quality not quantity or cheap price. And quality usually means buying the real thing, not the wannabe imitator. Our deck is top quality

btw.....I don't want a larger deck. The deck has glass all around, and from the kitchen/dining room table we can look out at the yard and the trees....nothing on the deck to obscure the view.

kyfdx · July 2019

explorerx4 said:
I use Simple Green and a power washer to clean the deck(Azek).

I don't know what my wife uses to clean our Azek decking. I just know that once we got Azek, she doesn't ask me to maintain it. Highly recommended!

abacomike · July 2019

@thebean:

Bean, I usually agree with most of your posted comments, however your post about the internet is one of your opinions I disagree with.

Yes, I agree there are many abuses of internet access - namely hacking and identity theft which hurts many hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people every year, not to mention our own government and governments of our allies. Yes there are sites on the internet that scam people out of their hard earned money. Pornography is rampant on the internet and is easily accessible to our children.

But with the “bad” comes the “good!” Paying my bills online has saved me time and money over the years. Direct deposits of my Social Security and pension provides immediate access to my funds instead of waiting for snail mail and is much safer.

As for shopping, without sites like Edmunds, I would be spending thousands of dollars more on automobile purchases. The internet allows me to quickly check where I can purchase goods and services at the lowest cost to me. I can research products quickly to determine which best fit my needs.

True, spam is a nuisance - but the pluses of the internet far outweigh the negatives, IMO.

abacomike · July 2019

Michaell said:
All y'all are wrong. The internet and microwave are not the best inventions from the 20th century.

I'll tell you what is ... and, you'll be surprised.

It's the washing machine.

Why?

Prior to wide spread adoption, women spent hours upon hours manually washing the clothes for the family. When a washing machine found its way into the house, that freed up so much time that many of these women were able to join the work force. This did wonders for our society; think about all the "Rosie the Riveters" who filled in on the factory floor during WW2.

"mic drop"

Michaell, my original post about the “microwave oven” specified it as the best invention in the last 50 years, not the entire 20th century. I would have selected commercial air travel and the discovery of the airplane ✈️ as 20th century inventions. Just wanted to clarify. 🤪😀

graphicguy · July 2019

laurasdada said:
Just booked a Caribbean cruise for late September, ex. Miami. Perhaps an extra day or two to drive up to Boca, visit my aunt and cousin. My aunt is 91, perhaps she is one of the many women who have accosted abacomike!

Too bad the Boca Concourse is in February.

Which cruise line/ship?

graphicguy · July 2019

@imidazol97 ....I have to look at my mileage but I think I’m somewhere around 22K.

stickguy · July 2019

7 months in on mine, still at $0 maintenance! At the rate I’m going, probably will make the 12 month mark before the wrench comes on telling me to take it in.

houdini2 · July 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

thebean said:
Do you think we will ever see quirky or low profit autos like the Honda Element or a really small GM/Ford pickup or Toyota Tercel 4WD wagon again from mainstream companies? It seems that auto makers aren’t going to mfg anything that won’t sell in large numbers. Not to mention only limited exterior/interior colors. What’s out there now is not enough to get me in the showroom to spend my hard-earned cash.
I think you’re spot on. It’s been years since industry leaders Honda and Toyota abandoned cars like the MR2 or S2000. Now most brands are eliminating whole segments in favor of the most profitable lines.

Kia and Hyundai are your best bets.

dino001 · July 2019

driver100 said:

I actually agree with you about the changes it is making to the working world. But, you can't stop progress. People were worried about the buggy whip maker and the blacksmith when the car became popular. Can't artificially block things from happening. Usually progress leads to a better world eventually....we may need to accept the idea of a guaranteed income.

It takes time to adapt and change to this new age........but, we have to grow and change and make it work. Would you really want to go back to a pre-computer world? Another good thing is it keeps seniors minds busy, helping to keep our brain active and working. Lots of good things.

1. Large grocery chains destroyed local wholesalers in 30s and 40s of XX century. Cut them out from the purchasing process. It was considered an "outrage" (and illegal in some places) for a retailer directly negotiate a deal with a manufacturer.
2. Sears catalog sales certainly didn't make local hardware store owners happy. They might not have put them out of business, but they certainly bit into their margins, especially for items that were not easy to get locally.
3. Walmart destroyed many local mom and pop stores. It was also outrageous. Oh, it also bit into Sears.
4. There came Amazon. What an outrage - selling stuff cheaper and delivering them to your home in three days or sometimes less. We surely should ban that one, shouldn't we?

BTW, Amazon isn't often cheapest anymore, especially for specialty items. If I want some real Polish candy, buckwheat groats, Swiss jam, or whatever else I sometimes fancy. I get them in a local ethnic store for less. Amazon's "free Prime shipping" is actually embedded in the price for those items, as those are often other stores (out of state) who pay Amazon to put it on their virtual shelves. They have to pay for the shipping, so naturally they add it to the price. I wish, the shipping was put separate in these cases, as then it could potentially be cheaper for multiple items. But people want "free shipping", so they get it.

jmonroe1 · July 2019

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
Driver, if you need to spray on a big area, they make attachments for your hose with a container and mix dial that you put on, fill with the stuff, then just spray on.
I got the Activol which ab suggested...no bleach or harsh chemicals, actually bought a $16 sprayer, and got a tough bristle brush $6. Just did it, used half the stuff so can use it next year, takes about one hour and a half...have to wait for it to dry for 15 minutes twice. Used a hose and it looks really good, a power washer would be even better.

So simple, even I could do it and Mrs D says I have to give you a lot of credit for trying it. She admires me for my pickleball skills and cleaning a deck.
I'll admire you too if you start doing my deck with what you have left over. But on your way over get another jug or two because my deck is 40 feet x 12 feet. That's the least you can do for me given I'm responsible for some of the best novels you've ever read.

jmonroe
Now that I have proven my ability to clean decks - and it looks like new btw - you want to be my buddie. When I said we could meet in Sarasota you weren't so keen.....so, do your own 40X12 deck. Ours is about 9X10 and is all we need.
No, I dont want to be your buddy. I want someone to clean my deck before I stain it. I know I'm late, what with the Summer half over, but there were mitigating circumstances, like the flip house. So, you have 9X10 deck. Well, let me tell you something, where I come from that ain't no deck. It's, for lack of a better description, it's a wannabe. FWIW, the deck that was here when I moved in was 10X16, which was waaaay to puny for us.

jmonroe
I go for quality not quantity or cheap price. And quality usually means buying the real thing, not the wannabe imitator. Our deck is top quality

btw.....I don't want a larger deck. The deck has glass all around, and from the kitchen/dining room table we can look out at the yard and the trees....nothing on the deck to obscure the view.

Who said just because my deck is large it isn't quality throughout? To ensue that it is I didn't go to the big box store to get my lumber. I went to an old local place and bought high quality "premium plus" lumber and was more than happy to pay the additional cost to get it. The very few knots in the deck boards are no larger than a quarter in diameter. I've never seen wood that good at the big box stores.

As for your glass allowing a nice view of your yard, I have that beat too. My deck is essentially on the ground so I don't need a railing. I guess you could say it looks like a platform. Therefore, I have a complete unobstructed view of my yard from any window including a sliding door that you can use to get onto the deck from the dining room in addition to being able to get to the deck from the laundry room on the other end of the house. We like a large deck and to put it in the words of my next door neighbor, "nice deck and you can even dance on it". We never did that but we could. I'll bet cleaning that glass takes some time and after it rains it has more than a few spots on it. Now that seems like a lot of maintenance to keep it looking good.

Wanna make any more comparisons?

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · July 2019

Oh, I forgot to say this in my above post...happy birthday jmonroe.

jmonroe

ab348 · July 2019

The package from Moen with the new cartridge and small parts for my shower arrived in the mail today. There is a secret they do not tell you about the 1222 Positemp cartridge. Removing it from the valve body is impossible, but with the repair kit there is a little adapter you put on over the end that is notched to fit over the end of the cartridge. The secret they don't tell you is that this lets you rotate the entire cartridge 45 degrees to the right and once that is done you can remove it with a little effort. This is not even mentioned in their online video on how to do this job which I find odd. Today the entire job took maybe 10 minutes.

If I had known this I would probably have been able to repair the old one at least temporarily. They use two molded rubber pieces on either side of the cartridge as a sort of sealing gasket, for want of a better term. When I removed the old cartridge one of them was dislodged. There was no other damage and I'm pretty sure I could have popped it back into place. Things you learn...

laurasdada · July 2019

graphicguy said:

laurasdada said:
Just booked a Caribbean cruise for late September, ex. Miami. Perhaps an extra day or two to drive up to Boca, visit my aunt and cousin. My aunt is 91, perhaps she is one of the many women who have accosted abacomike!

Too bad the Boca Concourse is in February.
Which cruise line/ship?

Royal Caribbean/Symphony of the Seas. Go big or go...cruising.
The diet begins now, for in two months 7 days of gluttony! Ice cream, ice cream! My kingdom for ice cream!

tjc78 · July 2019

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nz82fjXqFQ4

All this talk of decks ....
If you haven’t seen it’s worth the 5 minutes

driver100 · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
Driver, if you need to spray on a big area, they make attachments for your hose with a container and mix dial that you put on, fill with the stuff, then just spray on.
I got the Activol which ab suggested...no bleach or harsh chemicals, actually bought a $16 sprayer, and got a tough bristle brush $6. Just did it, used half the stuff so can use it next year, takes about one hour and a half...have to wait for it to dry for 15 minutes twice. Used a hose and it looks really good, a power washer would be even better.

So simple, even I could do it and Mrs D says I have to give you a lot of credit for trying it. She admires me for my pickleball skills and cleaning a deck.
I'll admire you too if you start doing my deck with what you have left over. But on your way over get another jug or two because my deck is 40 feet x 12 feet. That's the least you can do for me given I'm responsible for some of the best novels you've ever read.

jmonroe
Now that I have proven my ability to clean decks - and it looks like new btw - you want to be my buddie. When I said we could meet in Sarasota you weren't so keen.....so, do your own 40X12 deck. Ours is about 9X10 and is all we need.
No, I dont want to be your buddy. I want someone to clean my deck before I stain it. I know I'm late, what with the Summer half over, but there were mitigating circumstances, like the flip house. So, you have 9X10 deck. Well, let me tell you something, where I come from that ain't no deck. It's, for lack of a better description, it's a wannabe. FWIW, the deck that was here when I moved in was 10X16, which was waaaay to puny for us.

jmonroe
I go for quality not quantity or cheap price. And quality usually means buying the real thing, not the wannabe imitator. Our deck is top quality

btw.....I don't want a larger deck. The deck has glass all around, and from the kitchen/dining room table we can look out at the yard and the trees....nothing on the deck to obscure the view.
Who said just because my deck is large it isn't quality throughout? To ensue that it is I didn't go to the big box store to get my lumber. I went to an old local place and bought high quality "premium plus" lumber and was more than happy to pay the additional cost to get it. The very few knots in the deck boards are no larger than a quarter in diameter. I've never seen wood that good at the big box stores.

As for your glass allowing a nice view of your yard, I have that beat too. My deck is essentially on the ground so I don't need a railing. I guess you could say it looks like a platform. Therefore, I have a complete unobstructed view of my yard from any window including a sliding door that you can use to get onto the deck from the dining room in addition to being able to get to the deck from the laundry room on the other end of the house. We like a large deck and to put it in the words of my next door neighbor, "nice deck and you can even dance on it". We never did that but we could. I'll bet cleaning that glass takes some time and after it rains it has more than a few spots on it. Now that seems like a lot of maintenance to keep it looking good.
Wanna make any more comparisons?
jmonroe

No, no more comparisons....I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck. I actually have a life I like to live.
Like cars, your deck suits you, our deck suits us. Your car suits you, my car suits me.

sda · July 2019

tjc78 said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nz82fjXqFQ4

All this talk of decks ....
If you haven’t seen it’s worth the 5 minutes

My wife and I were talking about that skit just days ago. Very clever play on words and tremendously funny!

jmonroe1 · July 2019

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
Driver, if you need to spray on a big area, they make attachments for your hose with a container and mix dial that you put on, fill with the stuff, then just spray on.
I got the Activol which ab suggested...no bleach or harsh chemicals, actually bought a $16 sprayer, and got a tough bristle brush $6. Just did it, used half the stuff so can use it next year, takes about one hour and a half...have to wait for it to dry for 15 minutes twice. Used a hose and it looks really good, a power washer would be even better.

So simple, even I could do it and Mrs D says I have to give you a lot of credit for trying it. She admires me for my pickleball skills and cleaning a deck.
I'll admire you too if you start doing my deck with what you have left over. But on your way over get another jug or two because my deck is 40 feet x 12 feet. That's the least you can do for me given I'm responsible for some of the best novels you've ever read.

jmonroe
Now that I have proven my ability to clean decks - and it looks like new btw - you want to be my buddie. When I said we could meet in Sarasota you weren't so keen.....so, do your own 40X12 deck. Ours is about 9X10 and is all we need.
No, I dont want to be your buddy. I want someone to clean my deck before I stain it. I know I'm late, what with the Summer half over, but there were mitigating circumstances, like the flip house. So, you have 9X10 deck. Well, let me tell you something, where I come from that ain't no deck. It's, for lack of a better description, it's a wannabe. FWIW, the deck that was here when I moved in was 10X16, which was waaaay to puny for us.

jmonroe
I go for quality not quantity or cheap price. And quality usually means buying the real thing, not the wannabe imitator. Our deck is top quality

btw.....I don't want a larger deck. The deck has glass all around, and from the kitchen/dining room table we can look out at the yard and the trees....nothing on the deck to obscure the view.
Who said just because my deck is large it isn't quality throughout? To ensue that it is I didn't go to the big box store to get my lumber. I went to an old local place and bought high quality "premium plus" lumber and was more than happy to pay the additional cost to get it. The very few knots in the deck boards are no larger than a quarter in diameter. I've never seen wood that good at the big box stores.

As for your glass allowing a nice view of your yard, I have that beat too. My deck is essentially on the ground so I don't need a railing. I guess you could say it looks like a platform. Therefore, I have a complete unobstructed view of my yard from any window including a sliding door that you can use to get onto the deck from the dining room in addition to being able to get to the deck from the laundry room on the other end of the house. We like a large deck and to put it in the words of my next door neighbor, "nice deck and you can even dance on it". We never did that but we could. I'll bet cleaning that glass takes some time and after it rains it has more than a few spots on it. Now that seems like a lot of maintenance to keep it looking good.
Wanna make any more comparisons?
jmonroe

No, no more comparisons....I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck. I actually have a life I like to live.
Like cars, your deck suits you, our deck suits us. Your car suits you, my car suits me.

How did "suits" get into this discussion about decks?

jmonroe

cdnpinhead · July 2019

". . . I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck."

I'm skeptical, given that you've taken the time to post 24.4K times in this board alone.

thebean · July 2019

Happy Birthday @jmonroe1. I won’t be rude and annoying ask how many, since you called me on asking how long you had been married.

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