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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,452
    the rest of my list is in this category.

    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/luxury-compact-suvs

    so my top 3 options, all finished #2 on their respective lists.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    stickguy said:

    well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!

    Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    edited September 2019
    I can't copy it exactly but I got put off by this Mazda ad when I first saw it in todays newspaper:
    2019 MAZDA3 Sport GX
    155 hp, 150 lb-ft torque, Skyactiv-G 2.0 L 4-cylinder engine
    5 Up to 6.6 L/100 km highway*
    WEEKLY FINANCE OFFER
    $79 @ 1.49%
    It ends up looking like a Mazda

    At first glance, (the bold print was huge letters) it looked like they were selling a Mazda 3 for $79,149!

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,853
    driver100 said:

    driver100 said:

    Talking about mid-size SUVs. I found this list interesting.....Top 3 are HyundKIAS, Ascent is #6;
    TOP MID SIZE SUVs
    I notice the scoring is close though....probably can go more by preference than the list.

    The link takes me to a screen full of articles. Which one is it?
    Should be this one....
    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/midsize-suvs
    Thanks. Amazing how some of those SUVs have a $20k difference between base and loaded models. Can’t imagine needing $20k of extra stuff.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,853
    “Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

    I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    stickguy said:

    the rest of my list is in this category.

    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/luxury-compact-suvs

    so my top 3 options, all finished #2 on their respective lists.

    btw....why not a Forester?

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532

    “Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

    I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.

    They rate them on overall value....5 different criterion. They are close, 8.4 and 7.9, The Soul won its points on safety, Cooper on performance....but, I think the real difference is the top half of the list and the bottom half...you still have to judge what is important to you.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • houdini2houdini2 Member Posts: 407

    Steelers have been kidding themselves for a little while, now.....hanging onto Big Ben a little too long instead of drafting his successor.

    Bengals did the same thing with Dalton. We could have drafted Lamar Jackson. WE didn’t. Bengals have waisted so much draft capital that we could have fielded a good team with the ones Bengals could have drafted, but didn’t.

    At least the REDs have one of the best starting rotations in the NL set up for next year, and a couple of young sluggers to build around (Aquino and Suarez).

    We? Are you an owner or are you in management?
    Both...I pay their salaries since I buy the tickets!
    Ok so it's not "We" it's "They".
    If you are a sports fan, "We" is correct.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,452
    Her sister has a Forester. So that probably comes into play. But mostly it is not "fancy" enough for her I don't think. Though I suppose when we stop at the dealer to look at the OB, can show her the new design Forester. But no hot rod engine is an issue.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,733

    “Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

    I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.

    Those articles are garbage. They are supposedly a compilation of reviews from a number of unnamed sources. So you can make them come out however you want depending upon what sources you choose. All their "full reviews" are shockingly superficial.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,733
    This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:




    Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • thebeanthebean Parts UnknownMember Posts: 1,158
    abacomike said:

    According to news reports, next year (2020 NFL season), the Dolphins already have 3 1st round draft choices and an available 100 million dollar salary cap. In 2021, they have 4 more 1st round picks. But they admit this year will be most unfortunate for fans. TELL ME ABOUT IT!🤪😜😂

    @abacomike, weren’t your Dolphins tickets free? If so, hard to gripe about a teams performance if you got in free. At least, it would for me. B)
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • thebeanthebean Parts UnknownMember Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2019
    stickguy said:

    Her sister has a Forester. So that probably comes into play. But mostly it is not "fancy" enough for her I don't think. Though I suppose when we stop at the dealer to look at the OB, can show her the new design Forester. But no hot rod engine is an issue.

    Wow, I hate to point this out, but you sure got yourself a high maintenance wife. B) Just kidding, of course. Most wives are high maintenance. 😄
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,452
    nice XT4. could work for us, but I just don't see me buying a caddy. can't hurt to look though.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • thebeanthebean Parts UnknownMember Posts: 1,158
    Tesla must ship their cars by truck instead of rail. Going across the Texas Panhandle and New Mexico today, I saw no fewer than 11 truckloads of them (looked to be mostly Model 3’s) on I-40 heading east. And, that’s just in about 5 hours on the highway.
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaMember Posts: 11,867
    thebean said:

    abacomike said:

    According to news reports, next year (2020 NFL season), the Dolphins already have 3 1st round draft choices and an available 100 million dollar salary cap. In 2021, they have 4 more 1st round picks. But they admit this year will be most unfortunate for fans. TELL ME ABOUT IT!🤪😜😂

    @abacomike, weren’t your Dolphins tickets free? If so, hard to gripe about a teams performance if you got in free. At least, it would for me. B)
    I gripe about everything! 🤪😜😝😗🤣😛😀😅😋

    2021 Genesis G90

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 29,837
    Speaking of tickets, I scored a crazy cheap deal on facebook for the 10/20 Giants game. We got 2nd row of the balcony at about the 40-yd line. Its the Toyota party box or some such thing. And VIP parking. $400 for the pair.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,653
    qbrozen said:

    Speaking of tickets, I scored a crazy cheap deal on facebook for the 10/20 Giants game. We got 2nd row of the balcony at about the 40-yd line. Its the Toyota party box or some such thing. And VIP parking. $400 for the pair.

    Awesome, what time should I pick you up :)

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaMember Posts: 11,867
    ab348 said:

    This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:




    Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

    To be honest. I totally agree with you, ab! I like that candy apple red with a cognac interior. I am open to getting a Cadillac SUV next year along with a host of other possibilities. I am drooling just thinking about shopping for a new set of wheels. It’s been almost 2 years since I shopped for a new vehicle.

    I am sweating just thinking about it. I am going to have FUN FUN FUN TIL DADDY TAKES THE T-BIRD AWAY FUN! 😀😛😝😀🤪😜

    2021 Genesis G90

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    ab348 said:

    “Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

    I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.

    Those articles are garbage. They are supposedly a compilation of reviews from a number of unnamed sources. So you can make them come out however you want depending upon what sources you choose. All their "full reviews" are shockingly superficial.
    I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

    Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    abacomike said:

    ab348 said:

    This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:




    Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

    I am sweating just thinking about it. I am going to have FUN FUN FUN TIL DADDY TAKES THE T-BIRD AWAY FUN! 😀😛😝😀🤪😜

    FUN FUN FUN TIL Mercedes TAKES THE S Class AWAY

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,733
    driver100 said:


    I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

    Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.

    You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,452
    it is good though to see options you might not be considering, and some areas to look into closer.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 12,699
    driver100 said:

    stickguy said:

    well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!

    Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.
    The Outback has no strengths in "low center of gravity" or driving handling categories. Its strengths lie elsewhere, like high ride height and ground clearance. It's a true SUV, that simply looks like a wagon (as do many CUV's at least).
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Member Posts: 17,958
    houdini2 said:

    Steelers have been kidding themselves for a little while, now.....hanging onto Big Ben a little too long instead of drafting his successor.

    Bengals did the same thing with Dalton. We could have drafted Lamar Jackson. WE didn’t. Bengals have waisted so much draft capital that we could have fielded a good team with the ones Bengals could have drafted, but didn’t.

    At least the REDs have one of the best starting rotations in the NL set up for next year, and a couple of young sluggers to build around (Aquino and Suarez).

    We? Are you an owner or are you in management?
    Both...I pay their salaries since I buy the tickets!
    Ok so it's not "We" it's "They".
    If you are a sports fan, "We" is correct.
    As I tell my sister; they won, we sat on our buts and watched.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:


    I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

    Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.

    You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.
    Too much conspiracy thinking. It is what it is, just general information, might be useful - might not. My thinking is every bit of information helps me make a better choice.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    andres3 said:

    driver100 said:

    stickguy said:

    well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!

    Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.
    The Outback has no strengths in "low center of gravity" or driving handling categories. Its strengths lie elsewhere, like high ride height and ground clearance. It's a true SUV, that simply looks like a wagon (as do many CUV's at least).
    I like cornering in a car or wagon......more than in an SUV. I go on a loop to get onto a highway most days, I like the low center of gravity in those situations.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,733
    driver100 said:

    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:


    I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

    Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.

    You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.
    Too much conspiracy thinking. It is what it is, just general information, might be useful - might not. My thinking is every bit of information helps me make a better choice.
    Misinformation helps in making bad choices too.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • bwiabwia Greater BostonMember Posts: 2,831
    ab348 said:

    This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:



    Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

    I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,452
    My wife will never go back to a sedan for her DD.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 194,426
    stickguy said:

    My wife will never go back to a sedan for her DD.

    Nor mine.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    My wife will never go back to a sedan for her DD.

    Nor mine.
    Mine would prefer a sedan, if it had large windows and high seating like her GLK. She liked her A4, but few cars have high enough seats, and large windows.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,733
    edited September 2019
    bwia said:


    I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

    According to the Cadillac site it is 181" long, virtually identical length to my ATS so I think that makes it a compact. Both have a 109" wheelbase. Interestingly the site says the ATS is 71" wide but claims this is 83.5" wide - I think that is a typo. It certainly didn't seem overly wide to me.

    I really did enjoy it. Just the right height for getting in and out without putting my bad knee through torture. Plenty of room inside. Decent cargo space - I bought an emergency generator I've had my eye on that was on sale at a great price while I had it yesterday just because I knew I could get it home without a hassle. Fit right in the back no problem. A vehicle like this certainly has appeal.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,452
    Almost as big as a CX5. Not tiny. I’ll put it on my list!

    83” would have to include mirrors. That’s wider than a ram PU

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 3,869
    I really did enjoy it. Just the right height for getting in and out without putting my bad knee through torture. Plenty of room inside. Decent cargo space - I bought an emergency generator I've had my eye on that was on sale at a great price while I had it yesterday just because I knew I could get it home without a hassle. Fit right in the back no problem. A vehicle like this certainly has appeal.

    Yup, some of my thinking Porsche Macan vs. Jag XE or the like. Two more years for the boy in college, hatch utility would come in handy at times.

    A fond, but bittersweet adieu to my '13 Jaguar XF. And so, I present this laurel, and hearty handshake to the new boss; '21 Audi A7 PHEV. '09 Jag XK , '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco ; all special to me. And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... I've yet to buy a car I didn't like. Although, do I really want to drive a car that would have someone such as me as its owner?

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,452
    I love the flexibility a big box offers. We recently bought a gas grill and bathroom vanity, and each box slid right in the back of the RDX. Never would have fit in the TLX. Not quite as convenient as the daughters BF’s Silverado. We used that to return them after Assembly!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:

    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:


    I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

    Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.

    You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.
    Too much conspiracy thinking. It is what it is, just general information, might be useful - might not. My thinking is every bit of information helps me make a better choice.
    Misinformation helps in making bad choices too.
    Not sure there is any actual "misinformation". Some information may be of value, some might not apply....most comments might be worth checking on further.

    BTW....XT6, comes in at #7 in its class:

    1. 2019 BMW X1

    The 2019 BMW X1 is one of the highest-ranking luxury subcompact SUVs. It has the well-rounded performance you would expect from a BMW, highlighted by ... Read full review »

    SCORE
    8.7

    2. Audi Q3

    The redesigned 2019 Audi Q3 finishes near the top of our luxury subcompact SUV rankings. This small crossover is the total package: It's enjoyable ... Read full review »

    SCORE
    8.3

    3. 2020 Volvo XC40

    The 2020 Volvo XC40 ranks near the top of the luxury subcompact SUV class. It boasts powerful engine choices, an upscale interior, and ample ... Read full review »

    SCORE
    7.9

    4. Lexus UX

    The all-new 2019 Lexus UX has a stylish interior along with an excellent predicted reliability rating. However, its less athletic than many rivals, and its ... Read full review »

    SCORE
    7.6

    5.Land Rover Range Rover Evoque

    The 2020 Land Rover Range Rover Evoque offers a premium cabin, a refined ride, and exceptional off-road ability. However, its subpar predicted reliability rating ... Read full review »

    SCORE
    7.5

    5. BMW X2

    The 2019 BMW X2 can't match the engaging performance of other sporty crossovers, and it has a cramped back seat. For these reasons, this ... Read full review »

    SCORE
    7.5

    7. 2020 Cadillac XT4
    Zip
    The 2020 Cadillac XT4 places in the bottom half of the luxury subcompact SUV class. The XT4 has lots of room, but it falls ... Read full review »

    SCORE
    7.0

    FULL STORY https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/luxury-subcompact-suvs

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,733
    Reposting it doesn't make it any more valid.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532
    ab348 said:

    Reposting it doesn't make it any more valid.

    I didn't post the compact luxury car survey the first time.
    Besides, some people may find some easy to use, useful overview information on the site.

    For example, these tips may provide some ideas of what to investigate further;
    Pros & Cons
    Outstanding rear-seat legroom
    Lots of cargo space behind rear seats
    Awkward infotainment controls
    Fair amount of road and engine noise
    Mixed reviews on steering and brake systems

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • houdini2houdini2 Member Posts: 407
    Yep, some type of obsession.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moMember Posts: 29,532

    Face it 348, you're never going to get the last word. Many have gone before you.

    Many have tried......few have succeeded.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,066
    What I've learned is that negative reviews against GM products are often some kind of media conspiracy, and that product updates (corrections) are made because journalists object, not because the design was actually flawed.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,853
    ab348 said:

    This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:




    Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

    Is that what they used to call the XTS? I found those to be nice. I thought they discontinued those.

    Hey, how did you come out from the latest hurricane to brush your area?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,066
    I haven't been happier to be single in a long time, after reading that.

    Still have another day in the Escalade ESV, that these things are seen as reasonable vehicles for the Stepford set in mcmansion orchards/rural areas is mind-boggling.
    bwia said:



    I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,853
    driver100 said:

    andres3 said:

    driver100 said:

    stickguy said:

    well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!

    Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.
    The Outback has no strengths in "low center of gravity" or driving handling categories. Its strengths lie elsewhere, like high ride height and ground clearance. It's a true SUV, that simply looks like a wagon (as do many CUV's at least).
    I like cornering in a car or wagon......more than in an SUV. I go on a loop to get onto a highway most days, I like the low center of gravity in those situations.
    If you like cornering in a SUV try the VW Atlas. VWs have a firm but not harsh ride which, to me, includes some impressive handling. Also can be got with a third seat.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 18,853
    Well, it’s started. The cheapest station in my area just bumped the price of regular by 10 cents.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702

    fintail said:

    I haven't been happier to be single in a long time, after reading that.

    Still have another day in the Escalade ESV, that these things are seen as reasonable vehicles for the Stepford set in mcmansion orchards/rural areas is mind-boggling.

    bwia said:



    I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

    The problem with being single is that there’s no one to tell you about all your faults. You go through life thinking you’re perfect. A wife will cure you of that delusion. :s
    "If lovin' me is wrong, I don't wanna be right..."
    A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
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