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stickguy · September 2019

the rest of my list is in this category.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/luxury-compact-suvs

so my top 3 options, all finished #2 on their respective lists.

driver100 · September 2019

stickguy said:
well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!

Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.

driver100 · September 2019

I can't copy it exactly but I got put off by this Mazda ad when I first saw it in todays newspaper:
2019 MAZDA3 Sport GX
155 hp, 150 lb-ft torque, Skyactiv-G 2.0 L 4-cylinder engine
5 Up to 6.6 L/100 km highway*
WEEKLY FINANCE OFFER
$79 @ 1.49%
It ends up looking like a Mazda

At first glance, (the bold print was huge letters) it looked like they were selling a Mazda 3 for $79,149!

oldfarmer50 · September 2019

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
Talking about mid-size SUVs. I found this list interesting.....Top 3 are HyundKIAS, Ascent is #6;
TOP MID SIZE SUVs
I notice the scoring is close though....probably can go more by preference than the list.
The link takes me to a screen full of articles. Which one is it?
Should be this one....
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/midsize-suvs

Thanks. Amazing how some of those SUVs have a $20k difference between base and loaded models. Can’t imagine needing $20k of extra stuff.

oldfarmer50 · September 2019

“Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.

driver100 · September 2019

stickguy said:
the rest of my list is in this category.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/luxury-compact-suvs

so my top 3 options, all finished #2 on their respective lists.

btw....why not a Forester?

driver100 · September 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
“Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.

They rate them on overall value....5 different criterion. They are close, 8.4 and 7.9, The Soul won its points on safety, Cooper on performance....but, I think the real difference is the top half of the list and the bottom half...you still have to judge what is important to you.

houdini2 · September 2019

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:
Steelers have been kidding themselves for a little while, now.....hanging onto Big Ben a little too long instead of drafting his successor.

Bengals did the same thing with Dalton. We could have drafted Lamar Jackson. WE didn’t. Bengals have waisted so much draft capital that we could have fielded a good team with the ones Bengals could have drafted, but didn’t.

At least the REDs have one of the best starting rotations in the NL set up for next year, and a couple of young sluggers to build around (Aquino and Suarez).
We? Are you an owner or are you in management?
Both...I pay their salaries since I buy the tickets!
Ok so it's not "We" it's "They".

If you are a sports fan, "We" is correct.

stickguy · September 2019

Her sister has a Forester. So that probably comes into play. But mostly it is not "fancy" enough for her I don't think. Though I suppose when we stop at the dealer to look at the OB, can show her the new design Forester. But no hot rod engine is an issue.

ab348 · September 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
“Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.

Those articles are garbage. They are supposedly a compilation of reviews from a number of unnamed sources. So you can make them come out however you want depending upon what sources you choose. All their "full reviews" are shockingly superficial.

ab348 · September 2019

This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:

Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

thebean · September 2019

abacomike said:
According to news reports, next year (2020 NFL season), the Dolphins already have 3 1st round draft choices and an available 100 million dollar salary cap. In 2021, they have 4 more 1st round picks. But they admit this year will be most unfortunate for fans. TELL ME ABOUT IT!🤪😜😂

@abacomike, weren’t your Dolphins tickets free? If so, hard to gripe about a teams performance if you got in free. At least, it would for me.

thebean · September 2019

stickguy said:
Her sister has a Forester. So that probably comes into play. But mostly it is not "fancy" enough for her I don't think. Though I suppose when we stop at the dealer to look at the OB, can show her the new design Forester. But no hot rod engine is an issue.

Wow, I hate to point this out, but you sure got yourself a high maintenance wife.

Just kidding, of course. Most wives are high maintenance. 😄

stickguy · September 2019

nice XT4. could work for us, but I just don't see me buying a caddy. can't hurt to look though.

thebean · September 2019

Tesla must ship their cars by truck instead of rail. Going across the Texas Panhandle and New Mexico today, I saw no fewer than 11 truckloads of them (looked to be mostly Model 3’s) on I-40 heading east. And, that’s just in about 5 hours on the highway.

abacomike · September 2019

thebean said:

abacomike said:
According to news reports, next year (2020 NFL season), the Dolphins already have 3 1st round draft choices and an available 100 million dollar salary cap. In 2021, they have 4 more 1st round picks. But they admit this year will be most unfortunate for fans. TELL ME ABOUT IT!🤪😜😂
@abacomike, weren’t your Dolphins tickets free? If so, hard to gripe about a teams performance if you got in free. At least, it would for me.

I gripe about everything! 🤪😜😝😗🤣😛😀😅😋

qbrozen · September 2019

Speaking of tickets, I scored a crazy cheap deal on facebook for the 10/20 Giants game. We got 2nd row of the balcony at about the 40-yd line. Its the Toyota party box or some such thing. And VIP parking. $400 for the pair.

tjc78 · September 2019

qbrozen said:
Speaking of tickets, I scored a crazy cheap deal on facebook for the 10/20 Giants game. We got 2nd row of the balcony at about the 40-yd line. Its the Toyota party box or some such thing. And VIP parking. $400 for the pair.

Awesome, what time should I pick you up

abacomike · September 2019

ab348 said:
This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:

Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

To be honest. I totally agree with you, ab! I like that candy apple red with a cognac interior. I am open to getting a Cadillac SUV next year along with a host of other possibilities. I am drooling just thinking about shopping for a new set of wheels. It’s been almost 2 years since I shopped for a new vehicle.

I am sweating just thinking about it. I am going to have FUN FUN FUN TIL DADDY TAKES THE T-BIRD AWAY FUN! 😀😛😝😀🤪😜

driver100 · September 2019

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:
“Oldfarmer will like that The KIA Soul is number 1 on the small SUV list:”
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/subcompact-

I can’t see comparing a Soul with a Mini Cooper. The Soul is pure utility while the Mini is a performance car. The review is right that the Soul is not a super handling car but I don’t think that matters to it’s primary buyers.
Those articles are garbage. They are supposedly a compilation of reviews from a number of unnamed sources. So you can make them come out however you want depending upon what sources you choose. All their "full reviews" are shockingly superficial.

I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.

driver100 · September 2019

abacomike said:

ab348 said:
This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:

Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.
I am sweating just thinking about it. I am going to have FUN FUN FUN TIL DADDY TAKES THE T-BIRD AWAY FUN! 😀😛😝😀🤪😜

FUN FUN FUN TIL Mercedes TAKES THE S Class AWAY

ab348 · September 2019

driver100 said:

I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.

You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.

stickguy · September 2019

it is good though to see options you might not be considering, and some areas to look into closer.

andres3 · September 2019

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!
Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.

The Outback has no strengths in "low center of gravity" or driving handling categories. Its strengths lie elsewhere, like high ride height and ground clearance. It's a true SUV, that simply looks like a wagon (as do many CUV's at least).

snakeweasel · September 2019

houdini2 said:

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:
Steelers have been kidding themselves for a little while, now.....hanging onto Big Ben a little too long instead of drafting his successor.

Bengals did the same thing with Dalton. We could have drafted Lamar Jackson. WE didn’t. Bengals have waisted so much draft capital that we could have fielded a good team with the ones Bengals could have drafted, but didn’t.

At least the REDs have one of the best starting rotations in the NL set up for next year, and a couple of young sluggers to build around (Aquino and Suarez).
We? Are you an owner or are you in management?
Both...I pay their salaries since I buy the tickets!
Ok so it's not "We" it's "They".
If you are a sports fan, "We" is correct.

As I tell my sister; they won, we sat on our buts and watched.

driver100 · September 2019

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.
You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.

Too much conspiracy thinking. It is what it is, just general information, might be useful - might not. My thinking is every bit of information helps me make a better choice.

driver100 · September 2019

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!
Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.
The Outback has no strengths in "low center of gravity" or driving handling categories. Its strengths lie elsewhere, like high ride height and ground clearance. It's a true SUV, that simply looks like a wagon (as do many CUV's at least).

I like cornering in a car or wagon......more than in an SUV. I go on a loop to get onto a highway most days, I like the low center of gravity in those situations.

ab348 · September 2019

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.
You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.
Too much conspiracy thinking. It is what it is, just general information, might be useful - might not. My thinking is every bit of information helps me make a better choice.

Misinformation helps in making bad choices too.

houdini2 · September 2019

snakeweasel said:

houdini2 said:

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:
Steelers have been kidding themselves for a little while, now.....hanging onto Big Ben a little too long instead of drafting his successor.

Bengals did the same thing with Dalton. We could have drafted Lamar Jackson. WE didn’t. Bengals have waisted so much draft capital that we could have fielded a good team with the ones Bengals could have drafted, but didn’t.

At least the REDs have one of the best starting rotations in the NL set up for next year, and a couple of young sluggers to build around (Aquino and Suarez).
We? Are you an owner or are you in management?
Both...I pay their salaries since I buy the tickets!
Ok so it's not "We" it's "They".
If you are a sports fan, "We" is correct.
As I tell my sister; they won, we sat on our buts and watched.

If my team wins, it's we won. If they lose, it's they lost.

bwia · September 2019

ab348 said:
This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:

Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

stickguy · September 2019

My wife will never go back to a sedan for her DD.

Michaell · September 2019

stickguy said:
My wife will never go back to a sedan for her DD.

Nor mine.

driver100 · September 2019

Michaell said:

stickguy said:
My wife will never go back to a sedan for her DD.
Nor mine.

Mine would prefer a sedan, if it had large windows and high seating like her GLK. She liked her A4, but few cars have high enough seats, and large windows.

ab348 · September 2019

bwia said:

I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

According to the Cadillac site it is 181" long, virtually identical length to my ATS so I think that makes it a compact. Both have a 109" wheelbase. Interestingly the site says the ATS is 71" wide but claims this is 83.5" wide - I think that is a typo. It certainly didn't seem overly wide to me.

I really did enjoy it. Just the right height for getting in and out without putting my bad knee through torture. Plenty of room inside. Decent cargo space - I bought an emergency generator I've had my eye on that was on sale at a great price while I had it yesterday just because I knew I could get it home without a hassle. Fit right in the back no problem. A vehicle like this certainly has appeal.

stickguy · September 2019

Almost as big as a CX5. Not tiny. I’ll put it on my list!

83” would have to include mirrors. That’s wider than a ram PU

laurasdada · September 2019

I really did enjoy it. Just the right height for getting in and out without putting my bad knee through torture. Plenty of room inside. Decent cargo space - I bought an emergency generator I've had my eye on that was on sale at a great price while I had it yesterday just because I knew I could get it home without a hassle. Fit right in the back no problem. A vehicle like this certainly has appeal.

Yup, some of my thinking Porsche Macan vs. Jag XE or the like. Two more years for the boy in college, hatch utility would come in handy at times.

stickguy · September 2019

I love the flexibility a big box offers. We recently bought a gas grill and bathroom vanity, and each box slid right in the back of the RDX. Never would have fit in the TLX. Not quite as convenient as the daughters BF’s Silverado. We used that to return them after Assembly!

driver100 · September 2019

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

I respectfully disagree. I think the reviews are helpful. You don't have to weed out dozens of cars to get an idea what car may appeal to you. Cars that are in the top 6 are probably all fine, over 6 and I would be extra careful. But, these reviews are just a start....once I narrowed down my choice I would want to read more detailed reviews.

Also, there may be choices someone may not even be aware of. This may give you some new ideas. If you weren't sure about a car like a KIA Soul, this may give you more confidence to check it out more carefully.
You are making the fatal assumption that the reviews they chose are actually credible and valid. We have no idea whether they are from the Audi Owners Appreciation Society or the BMW PR department. We just don't know. It's all just noise.
Too much conspiracy thinking. It is what it is, just general information, might be useful - might not. My thinking is every bit of information helps me make a better choice.
Misinformation helps in making bad choices too.

Not sure there is any actual "misinformation". Some information may be of value, some might not apply....most comments might be worth checking on further.

BTW....XT6, comes in at #7 in its class:

1. 2019 BMW X1

The 2019 BMW X1 is one of the highest-ranking luxury subcompact SUVs. It has the well-rounded performance you would expect from a BMW, highlighted by ... Read full review »

SCORE
8.7

2. Audi Q3

The redesigned 2019 Audi Q3 finishes near the top of our luxury subcompact SUV rankings. This small crossover is the total package: It's enjoyable ... Read full review »

SCORE
8.3

3. 2020 Volvo XC40

The 2020 Volvo XC40 ranks near the top of the luxury subcompact SUV class. It boasts powerful engine choices, an upscale interior, and ample ... Read full review »

SCORE
7.9

4. Lexus UX

The all-new 2019 Lexus UX has a stylish interior along with an excellent predicted reliability rating. However, its less athletic than many rivals, and its ... Read full review »

SCORE
7.6

5.Land Rover Range Rover Evoque

The 2020 Land Rover Range Rover Evoque offers a premium cabin, a refined ride, and exceptional off-road ability. However, its subpar predicted reliability rating ... Read full review »

SCORE
7.5

5. BMW X2

The 2019 BMW X2 can't match the engaging performance of other sporty crossovers, and it has a cramped back seat. For these reasons, this ... Read full review »

SCORE
7.5

7. 2020 Cadillac XT4
Zip
The 2020 Cadillac XT4 places in the bottom half of the luxury subcompact SUV class. The XT4 has lots of room, but it falls ... Read full review »

SCORE
7.0

FULL STORY https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/luxury-subcompact-suvs

ab348 · September 2019

Reposting it doesn't make it any more valid.

driver100 · September 2019

ab348 said:
Reposting it doesn't make it any more valid.

I didn't post the compact luxury car survey the first time.
Besides, some people may find some easy to use, useful overview information on the site.

For example, these tips may provide some ideas of what to investigate further;
Pros & Cons
Outstanding rear-seat legroom
Lots of cargo space behind rear seats
Awkward infotainment controls
Fair amount of road and engine noise
Mixed reviews on steering and brake systems

cdnpinhead · September 2019

Face it 348, you're never going to get the last word. Many have gone before you.

houdini2 · September 2019

Yep, some type of obsession.

driver100 · September 2019

cdnpinhead said:
Face it 348, you're never going to get the last word. Many have gone before you.

Many have tried......few have succeeded.

fintail · September 2019

What I've learned is that negative reviews against GM products are often some kind of media conspiracy, and that product updates (corrections) are made because journalists object, not because the design was actually flawed.

oldfarmer50 · September 2019

ab348 said:
This was my ride today while the ATS was being serviced:

Aside from the all-black interior I was extremely impressed. Fortunately there are better colors on offer. I could see myself in one of these at some point.

Is that what they used to call the XTS? I found those to be nice. I thought they discontinued those.

Hey, how did you come out from the latest hurricane to brush your area?

fintail · September 2019

I haven't been happier to be single in a long time, after reading that.

Still have another day in the Escalade ESV, that these things are seen as reasonable vehicles for the Stepford set in mcmansion orchards/rural areas is mind-boggling.

bwia said:

I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

oldfarmer50 · September 2019

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
well, I know I will not be sending the outback review to my wife. Not if they put in on the wagon list!
Probably a wise move...you know best. But, the Audi Allroad is the equivalent, and the Outback was positioned to be a wagon, and in the past the Forester was the SUV model. It wouldn't bother me if I were buying....but, I like the handling and lower center of gravity of a "real car" or wagon, an SUV is made more for hauling than driving.......IMHO.
The Outback has no strengths in "low center of gravity" or driving handling categories. Its strengths lie elsewhere, like high ride height and ground clearance. It's a true SUV, that simply looks like a wagon (as do many CUV's at least).
I like cornering in a car or wagon......more than in an SUV. I go on a loop to get onto a highway most days, I like the low center of gravity in those situations.

If you like cornering in a SUV try the VW Atlas. VWs have a firm but not harsh ride which, to me, includes some impressive handling. Also can be got with a third seat.

oldfarmer50 · September 2019

fintail said:
I haven't been happier to be single in a long time, after reading that.

Still have another day in the Escalade ESV, that these things are seen as reasonable vehicles for the Stepford set in mcmansion orchards/rural areas is mind-boggling.

bwia said:

I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

The problem with being single is that there’s no one to tell you about all your faults. You go through life thinking you’re perfect. A wife will cure you of that delusion.

oldfarmer50 · September 2019

Well, it’s started. The cheapest station in my area just bumped the price of regular by 10 cents.

omarman · September 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:
I haven't been happier to be single in a long time, after reading that.

Still have another day in the Escalade ESV, that these things are seen as reasonable vehicles for the Stepford set in mcmansion orchards/rural areas is mind-boggling.

bwia said:

I haven't seen an XT4 up close and personal but from the rear photo it looks pretty good. Is the XT4 a tweener or is it a true midsize or compact vehicle? As I get older a traditional sedan makes less sense than an SUV. All the women in life drive SUVs and swear they will never return to a traditional sedan, unless perhaps a pure EV.

The problem with being single is that there’s no one to tell you about all your faults. You go through life thinking you’re perfect. A wife will cure you of that delusion.

"If lovin' me is wrong, I don't wanna be right..."

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