Subaru Crew - Meet The Members II

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Welcome...

    And tell me about it. My '98 is holding up pretty well, it would make no sense to trade it in right now.

    By the way - don't say V6, say H6, for Horizontally opposed.

    Or B6, for Boxer.

    -juice
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • subaru77subaru77 Member Posts: 3
    Man, the first post and already a typo :- )
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Does it have a sunroof? That'll give you more room for the Helmet! :D

    Actually, the noise shouldn't be too bad if you're wearing the helmet, right?

    Nice Christmas present.

    Let's see, for Christmas, if I could have anything. . .

    World peace, end to world hunger, gas at $0.02 per gallon, plenty of parking spots at the mall so we don't have to fight over them, and, what the heck, a Bugatti Veyron. But I'd settle for a Z06 Vette. ;)

    tom
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    ROFLcakes.

    nice one. :)
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Congratulations Bob I guess no more crappy Ford jokes EH!

    Cheers Pat.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yeah! LOL! Actually the Ford was pretty good until last year, as it just started to fall apart then—but boy was it ever self-destructing!

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yep. Sunroof, black leather and heated seats/mirrors/windshield.

    Bob
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Congrats Bob! But what's Mr. Towing going do use to haul his utility trailer with?

    -Frank
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Ugh! What was wrong with the message center? I'm begining to wonder if Edmunds' software engineers don't just get bored sometimes and decide to tinker with the format ;-)

    -Frank
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Cars make tracks. Message Center ... that sounds like work, telemarketing or spam. :-)

    And btw, it takes 4 hits to sink a battleship (3 hits for a frigate, Swampy). link

    Steve, Host
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    me .. well .. I'm still quite a distance TO the fence .. but heading toward it ...
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    *I'M* the teacher here and you guys are the ones correcting posts .....
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    But Brenda, it was a typing class error...

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • rob_mrob_m Member Posts: 820
    Yesterday, we were put in the 7-10+ range for snow. Final total was 16.

    I braved the elements, and decided to use my new LGT instead of the Outback.

    I had no problems getting to work. At 5:30am, I beat the snow. Getting home however, was basically the ride from hell. I left Exeter, NH at 2:00 in what I learned was the height of the storm. My commute to northern MA normally takes 45 minutes.

    101 and 95 south were not plowed, and it was total white-out conditions. At this time it was snowing 4" per hour. The GT did incredible. I followed the guardrails and marker poles at 10 mph, working my way around abandoned and off the road vehicles. It took 1.5 hours to reach the MA border, which I usually do in 15 minutes.

    495 South was slightly better, but quickly became a parking lot. There was a broken down plow in the middle lane, a jack-knifed truck across 2 lanes, abandoned vehicles all over the place. 1.5 hours to go another 5 miles.

    Finally, It just stopped snowing, there was an incredible sunset, and the road just seemed to clear. Another 45 minutes, and I was home!

    Total ride was just under 4 hours. The GT performed wonderfully through some of the worst conditions I have seen in many years. Sorry for the long post. Rob M.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    btw brenda you all healed from the accident awhile ago?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I'll put a hitch on Deb's Forester. I don't tow that much. In fact most of my towing for the year is done, now tha the leaves have been removed. I use the trailer maybe a dozen times a year, and the drives are almost always under 10 miles round trip.

    Bob
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    if you're talking about the one from last Jan .. that was taken care of LOOOOOONG ago !
    and *I* had no injuries .. only the car .. lol
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I can help you put it on if you want to do it yourself, just wait until it warms up a tad.

    Just took the kids sledding - had a blast.

    Their favorite thing to do? Wipe out...

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Thanks, I may take you up on the offer—when it warms up. :)

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Like when the feeling in my hands comes back...

    Brrrr!

    -juice
  • dhamiltondhamilton Member Posts: 878
    Anyone know if Subaru has a policy against test driving the STI? This is what I was told at a Houston dealership today. About 1 hour after driving a pristine 54k Audi S4.
    Can someone comment on this, is it true? When did Subaru get a BMW complex? I guess Audi gets my money
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    All the dealers here in the Baltimore/Washington area do the same. No test drives of STIs. :(

    Bob
  • dhamiltondhamilton Member Posts: 878
    Thanks for replying. Does this seem odd to you? This really left a bad taste in my mouth...
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Ugh, I definitely don't miss drives like that! Glad you and the LGT made it safe Rob. Are you on snows? Or the stockers?

    It's really amazing how theses Subies do in the snow.

    Hope you have a better commute Monday!

    tom
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    No problems from my dealers. Do you happen to look like an 18 year old? ;)

    Maybe you can find a dealer with a used one to test drive.

    Some dealers are really unreasonable. I remember when the Odyssey first came out, I asked if I could test drive one. They had the nerve to tell me after I bought one I could test drive it on the drive home! :mad:

    Needless to say, I never went back. And you can do the same!

    Good luck

    tom
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    That wagon looks great! With 17" wheels and tires, and the 2.5 engine, this is a great time to get a WRX. I hope you enjoy it.

    Craig
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Must depend on the dealer (I hear about the same issue with the Honda S2000 and Mitsu Evo). I had no problem test driving an STi at my local dealer. Maybe try a different dealership.

    CRaig
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Thanks Craig. So far I am. I just can't wait for the break-in period to be over. :)

    Bob
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • dhamiltondhamilton Member Posts: 878
    It's sad because I am {was} interested in this car. The S4 justifies it's higher price {about 15k} on interior and service alone. I know it's not as fast but I don't care. :lemon:
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    It is also not as reliable and service will cost you twice as much. Some dealers and car makers, include so called free service. That's a misnomer, nothing is free, the cost of the free servicing is hidden somewhere.

    Cheers Pat.
  • rob_mrob_m Member Posts: 820
    Running the stock tires.

    Probably going for the Toyo's like you. The Outback has 20k on the OEM Potenza's, and seems to be slipping around a bit more this year. First things first.

    Another storm is in the cards for Thursday. Woo-Hoo! Rob M.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    It is very typical to disallow Evo and WRX STi test drives. The AWD system is very easy to abuse with the power each car has, and within a short time ruin the car. -- Or at least make it not suitable for "new" purchase any more.

    I got to drive my Evo only after agreeing on terms and making the car purchase conditional pending a successful test drive. I had previously driven all other competitors, including a privately owned 2004 WRX STi. (I couldn't drive a new STi, either! :P )

    You might try to find someone on a big Subaru enthusiast site like nasioc or i-club who will let you check out their STi.

    ~Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    An Edmunds member works at a Honda dealer and they do the same for the S2000.

    Thing is, would you buy a new sports car with 300 demo miles on it? Knowing they'd been hard miles, not following the break-in schedule?

    Probably not.

    Another question - what if they did allow test drives, but you could not go over 4000rpm? That wouldn't be very useful in evaluating the car.

    It's tough to strike a balance, though I like the idea of finding a local owner willing to take you for a ride (at least) in one that is fully broken in and can be driven appropriately.

    -juice
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    well if you are going to sell that type of car would not you think that the manufacture would have thought of this and come up with a solution for the dealers? like a 'test' car?

    what does porsche do?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Gimme a break - Porsche closes their cars at auto shows so the public can't even SIT in one much less test drive one.

    I've heard dealers run a quick credit check, but they are not supposed to do that without your permission.

    It would make sense for Subaru to have a demo car, one per dealer would be too much but maybe a couple in each major metropolitan area.

    Honda did this with the Odyssey and Pilot, at least I saw one of each as a demo vehicle at Ourisman Honda, they had "Not For Sale" signs clear as day on the window. It's easier to justify for higher-volume models in short supply, but not a niche car like the S2000 (or the STI).

    -juice
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I had a vacation day scheduled for Friday, so got to enjoy the day home with the kids rather than fight the snow and head to work. In the late afternoon, the warming temps allowed us to pack the otherwise dusty snow, so we started a couple of balls and rolled them down our driveway hill. By the time they got to the bottom, they could mow down a tree! Had to make a ramp so that we could pile the balls on top of each other. Net result was an 8-9 ft snowman.

    Congrats to Bob on his new toy.

    On the subject of test drives: Most dealers try to put something in demand in the hands of at least one key salesman, so it becomes a matter of scheduling a mutually agreeable time. On the times they have not tried, I have walked away. I cannot see spending 30 large on something I cannot try out first.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Dealers are an easy target, people love to hate them.

    Put yourself in their shoes. You sell STIs for over $30 grand.

    A guy walks in, no appointment, and asks to drive the hottest car on your lot. It has 2.3 miles on the odometer, and you know the buyer will want it that way.

    What would you do?

    It's a tough call. You let him drive and the odometer will have 17 miles by the end of the test plus the likelihood of not exceeding 4000 rpm are slim to none (and slim just left the building).

    I think I'd make an exception for someone who schedule an appt and pre-qualified for a $30k loan so you know they can afford one, and even then, the drive would have to be kept short and under 4000 rpm. I'd refer them to a local club if they wanted to see an STI really being driven at the limit.

    But casual walk-ins? Young males especially?

    Put it this way, I would not trust ME :surprise: to test drive one, especially when I was younger!

    -juice
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I'm sure Porsche will let you test drive a Cayenne or Boxter. When I was looking at 997 911 they didn't have any to drive. (This was a major Porsche dealer in So Cal) but told me I could order one and drive it when it came. If I didn't like it they'd have no problems selling it. They were quite friendly and reasonable.

    With the Corvette, most dealers would not allow a test drive. The dealer we ended up buying from had 2 demos used purely for test drive purposes, which was nice. But this was the exception rather than the norm (Biggest Corvette dealer on the West Coast)

    My Subie dealer will let you take out an STi, no problem. In fact, they let me take one out by myself after I bought my car while I was waiting to do paperwork.

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure they knew you as a loyal customer. I think it's a lot different than a walk-in who might just be looking for a joy ride.

    I'd love to test drive an STI, but I'll admit this straight up - I'd have absolutely no intention of buying one, at least not coming in.

    -juice
  • dhamiltondhamilton Member Posts: 878
    From a business point of view it is financial suicide to qualify a customer on looks IMO. Do people do it? Yes, do they lose my business? Hell yes. It's especially comical after driving a 54k Audi S4.
    That's the reason why Lexus is #1 in sales and SERVICE, and they are the opposite of a drivers car. But they don't qualify people. They make customers in to family.
    BTW, I am 35 bald headed with a beard. { i look 29} But like I said I was driving the wife's loaded FX35.
    Subaru has made the wrong impression on me that's for sure.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Sorry that you're taking personal offense to this, but as I said the policy does make some sense in terms of preserving the vehicles pre-sales. Hell-bent joyriders, penniless enthusiasts, callous salespersons and other unsavory sorts WILL damage an STi or Evo given enough time in the seat. They will not pay attention to the break-in procedure and, far worse, they will use all that horsepower and do very bad things to the most delicate part on the car-- the clutch.

    You could've came in a silk suit, but if you weren't serious about purchasing, you weren't going to get a test drive.

    Now-- should Subaru and Mitsubishi be making cars that can better stand up to abuse? Maybe, but I'm not sure how. AWD's traction has to go somewhere and in all cases it's the clutch.

    ~Colin
  • dhamiltondhamilton Member Posts: 878
    Your right I shouldn't take personal offense. Your absolutely right. There policy makes sense. They drove away a potential customer. Freakin awesome. Hey Colin, do you work for GM where they are experts at business as well?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I wasn't trying to judge you, I was judging myself, in my younger days. I walked in to a Porsche dealer to look at a 911 and they wouldn't even unlock the doors.

    I bet if I went now, sat down with a salesman and explained what I wanted, and gave them permission to run a credit report, ... then I'd get a test drive.

    do they lose my business?

    That's exactly what I said when I walked away, yet they didn't - there was no way I was actually going to buy a Porsche as a teenager.

    I bet if you had stuck around longer, had a long conversation with the salesman, and brought up your credit record, then they would have made some arrangements for you.

    The "No Test Drive" sign is probably to scare off the casual browser who has no real intention of buying, like me in front of that 911 a couple of decades ago.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Let me turn this around - would you buy an STI that had 350 miles on the odometer? Keep in mind you knew it had been driven as hard as you would have test driven it, maybe even harder. What if the dealer had "DRIVE ME!" signs on it and they let just anyone drive it that walked in.

    Would you buy that exact car?

    Please answer the question, honestly.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    You're not listening to a word anyone is saying.

    I gave you some ideas on how to get a test drive. I explained why letting just anyone drive the STi is a bad idea. If your primary concern is bitching, please carry on somewhere else.

    However if you were really wanting to drive an STi and find out what others think about them, you might yet be in the right place.

    ~Colin
  • prosaprosa Member Posts: 280
    I've heard dealers run a quick credit check, but they are not supposed to do that without your permission.

    Federal law allows a dealer to run a credit check only if the customer is applying for financing. Determining whether the customer is reliable enough to test drive an STI or Evo is not a permissible purpose.
    What a dealer could do, however, is ask a non-financing customer to get a copy of his or her own credit report, which may involve a small fee, and give it to the dealer to review before going on the test drive. I don't know if any dealerships actually follow the practice, and in any event assuming that the person with a clean credit report is safe to test drive the STI (or the opposite) seems rather risky.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Perhaps, but it's the thought that counts. When a customer walks-in it's hard to tell whether or not they are serious. Merely offering to give permission for a credit report shows you are indeed serious about shopping for the vehicle.

    A dealership has to put up some obstacles to prevent the joy riders. In most cases it's probably personal judgement, which is why I suggested sticking around for a while so they know you're serious.

    Example: last week I got a Mazda test drive certificate for the new MX-5. Basically you drive one, the dealer signs the paper, and you mail it in to get a $35 gift certificate.

    I walk in, talk to a friendly salesman, he offers to sign without having to bother with the test drive, because he knows most people just want the certificate.

    I said, "Not so fast, let's check out the lot", so we walk around and check out the inventory. I spot a MazdaSpeed6 sedan and tell him I'd like to drive that one.

    OK, Judgement Day.

    I'm a casual shopper, a walk-in. I came in my Miata, they know me because my wife used to service her 626 there. He knows I live in Potomac so credit is not an issue. But - I came for an MX-5 offer and asked to drive a special limited edition sedan.

    Denied. No test drive. His excuse is the dealership is about to close. Nonsense, it's 8pm and they're open until 9pm.

    Why? Did he think the test drive would take longer than 60 minutes? Or did he know that I was a casual shopper and was unlikely to make an impulse buy on the Speed6?

    The latter.

    Now, if I had done research on the internet, found out that dealer had a Speed6 in stock, e-mailed in advance, set up an appointment, and then come in...I'm sure the result would have been different.

    dhamilton should try that, in fact if he doesn't it only goes to show he was not all that determined to test drive/buy an STI in the first place. Which only proves that dealer was right to deny him.

    -juice
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