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driver100 · April 2020

I just checked Carvana to get a comparison. For a 2018 Accord EX-L with 28000 miles they want $23,900.
I'd get down on my knees and plead for those guys to sell me the car...at their last price.
* I used a 2018 because they don't have any 2019 or 20s

abacomike · April 2020

stickguy said:

abacomike said:
I think I have made my decision to get a new car between now and April 30th. I have researched the money factor for a 36 mo lease with 10,000 miles per year, thanks to Michaell. Also, thanks to Michaell, I am aware of a $2000 incentive from MB Financial on a lease. There is a 3 month pull-ahead program on my current lease which leave just 3 payments left that I can pay up front or roll into the lease. They are willing to set the Cap Cost at dealer invoice less $4,000 in additional incentives and $3,000 from USAA and another $1000 in loyalty. So the Cap Cost of the lease should be around $91,000 with a money factor of .00038.

The car(s) I am interested in is one in Silver with black leather and an MSRP of $110,000. He also has a black on black coming in from the port at about the same MSRP. I think I will do better on the black one because the silver one is at a dealership in Naples - about $500 for roiund trip transporatation, which will eat in to the lease.

So I am well prepared to do business. I am just waiting for a call from the manager (he is off today) to get the ball rolling. I just hope this is not another saga like Jipster's.
Why the rush? Do you really think the deals will be worse 3/6 months from now, so it’s worth making double Payments for 3 months?

There is already a serious shortage of S450's in the south Florida area. Most inventory shows lots of 560's. The incentive programs are stupendous. The factory will not start up production until next month and they will be producing 2021's within 4 weeks after that. So the time, I believe is ripe!

jipster · April 2020

Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.

jmonroe1 · April 2020

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.

It sounds like you screwed yourself out of 200 bucks. Are you sure you aren't related to @driver100?

Good luck with it. Do you have enough waxing rags?

jmonroe

fintail · April 2020

2001 models? I don't think MB wants that kind of retro ideal, not the best era for those cars

Funny, the 2001 equivalent to your car was the S430, which had a V8 putting out nearly 100 less hp than your TTV6.

abacomike said:

There is already a serious shortage of S450's in the south Florida area. Most inventory shows lots of 560's. The incentive programs are stupendous. The factory will not start up production until next month and they will be producing 2001's within 4 weeks after that. So the time, I believe is ripe!

Michaell · April 2020

@jipster - congrats on negotiating a great deal on a great car! I'm sure you'll be very happy for many years to come - as will the missus.

Gotta post pictures, or it didn't happen.

carnaught · April 2020

@jipster, looks like you did it...congrats!

jipster · April 2020

jmonroe1 said:

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.
It sounds like you screwed yourself out of 200 bucks. Are you sure you aren't related to @driver100?

Good luck with it. Do you have enough waxing rags?

jmonroe

You guys would be here another 2 months if I kept hunting for that $200......hmmm.... on second thought.

jipster · April 2020

Michaell said:
@jipster - congrats on negotiating a great deal on a great car! I'm sure you'll be very happy for many years to come - as will the missus.

Gotta post pictures, or it didn't happen.

Thanks. We're excited. Getting dressed in my Sunday best. Hope nothing weird happens at the dealership. Will be leaving in about 10 minutes. And yes, I will try to get some photos for you guys....with cape or without?

jipster · April 2020

carnaught said:
@jipster, looks like you did it...congrats!

Thanks. You guys were a big help.

ab348 · April 2020

Hooray @jipster !

jipster · April 2020

ab348 said:
Hooray @jipster !

Thanks. On the way to dealership now!

driver100 · April 2020

jipster said:

carnaught said:
@jipster, looks like you did it...congrats!
Thanks. You guys were a big help.

Yeh, we cheered you on.....gave you a reason to push for a great deal.

Nice going....great car, fantastic price!

stickguy · April 2020

I’m happy for jip. Strong deal, but most important, the right car for them. His wife liking it the most is icing on the sake.

nyccarguy · April 2020

Way to go @jipster. You are really going to enjoy that Accord. I can't wait to see the pics!

jwm40517 · April 2020

All this talk of negotiating reminded me of a quote from a late old friend who was the business agent for a Pipefitters Union back in the 60's. He said "a good negotiator will get the last nickel out of the wage contract but a REALLY good negotiator knows which is the last nickel".
Kind of like knowing which $200 is the last $200

graphicguy · April 2020

Way to go @jipster . Great deal on a great car! I think you and your wife are going to be very happy with it for a very long time.

nyccarguy · April 2020

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suydam · April 2020

Great news, @jipster! I think you did a great job! We loved our EX-L Accord and I’m sure you will too! I did think it was that much better than the EX. We all want pictures!

roadburner · April 2020

@jipster
Sounds like you went with the perfect car for you. Congrats!

laurasdada · April 2020

Congrats, Jip! Oh, how I miss the new car smell...

graphicguy · April 2020

Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm

houdini1 · April 2020

driver100 said:
I just checked Carvana to get a comparison. For a 2018 Accord EX-L with 28000 miles they want $23,900.
I'd get down on my knees and plead for those guys to sell me the car...at their last price.
* I used a 2018 because they don't have any 2019 or 20s

Canadian dollars?

jipster · April 2020

At dealership. So far so good. They're running our credit.

houdini1 · April 2020

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.

Good news is you got yourself a great car at a great price. Bad news is we probably won't see you back here for 15 years. See you in 2035!!

driver100 · April 2020

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:
I just checked Carvana to get a comparison. For a 2018 Accord EX-L with 28000 miles they want $23,900.
I'd get down on my knees and plead for those guys to sell me the car...at their last price.
* I used a 2018 because they don't have any 2019 or 20s
Canadian dollars?

US Dollars. No Carvana in Canada at this time.

driver100 · April 2020

jipster said:
At dealership. So far so good. They're running our credit.

Oh oh!

driver100 · April 2020

Now that Jip has found a car someone has to volunteer to go next. I can't replace the Florida car, Dr Facci says there is a good chance COVID will be here into the Fall, and some are saying 2022.
Mike is our best hope!

suydam · April 2020

I’m not even going into grocery stores, let alone a car dealership!

driver100 · April 2020

suydam said:
I’m not even going into grocery stores, let alone a car dealership!

For some of us, a new car is a necessity :@

jmonroe1 · April 2020

jipster said:
At dealership. So far so good. They're running our credit.

Well if they're gonna do that stuff, you might as well forget it and start heading on over to the Kia store.

jmonroe

bwia · April 2020

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.

@jipster, you surprised me. For a moment there, I thought you were behaving against your better judgment and succumb to the pressures of your poster buddies. But, you pulled the trigger and now must be grinning from ear to ear with undiluted pleasure.
Enjoy the ride.

pensfan83 · April 2020

Nice @jipper enjoy!

28firefighter · April 2020

I'll save my congratulations until it is actually in your driveway, but I am glad things are going smoothly and you came to an agreement on a car you love!

abacomike · April 2020

fintail said:
2001 models? I don't think MB wants that kind of retro ideal, not the best era for those cars

Funny, the 2001 equivalent to your car was the S430, which had a V8 putting out nearly 100 less hp than your TTV6.

abacomike said:

There is already a serious shortage of S450's in the south Florida area. Most inventory shows lots of 560's. The incentive programs are stupendous. The factory will not start up production until next month and they will be producing 2001's within 4 weeks after that. So the time, I believe is ripe!

Just edited that typo - thanks fintail🤪😜

abacomike · April 2020

bwia said:

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.
@jipster, you surprised me. For a moment there, I thought you were behaving against your better judgment and succumb to the pressures of your poster buddies. But, you pulled the trigger and now must be grinning from ear to ear with undiluted pleasure.
Enjoy the ride.

Great deal - I don't have the patience you do, jipster! I spend less time on negotiating - I tell them my offer and take it or leave it. 🎩 my hat's off to you my friend. Enjoy!

snakeweasel · April 2020

Jipster, congrats on the new set of wheels. Enjoy the you know what out of it.

abacomike · April 2020

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm

Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.

jmonroe1 · April 2020

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.

Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe

explorerx4 · April 2020

I hope jipster had a loan in his pocket beforehand or maybe Honda has a great CPO rate.

driver100 · April 2020

Now I can close about 20 tabs that had Honda's or were reviews of Hondas.

driver100 · April 2020

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.
Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe

But he wants one better than this;

btw...the 2017E400 has it, all S's must have it!

jmonroe1 · April 2020

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.
Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe
But he wants one better than this;

btw...the 2017E400 has it, all S's must have it!

I trusted @Mike to know what his next car would have. But that display might help him aftet his cataract surgery but before he gets his script filled for glasses. I guess a hammer and chisel can get rid of that drive-in theater look after that.

jmonroe

jipster · April 2020

Well guys, the car is in the driveway!! And best of all the buying process and finance went off without a hitch. Smooth as butter. Well, we did have to wait about an hour for the finance guy to be freed up. It was a bit stressful waiting, especially after reading firefighters comment, LOL, but otherwise a flawless ending.

Mrs. Jip and I arrived at Honda World under a light drizzle of rain. Our salesman greeted us and we filled out some preliminary paper work and finance application. I made sure we were filling out the paperwork for the correct car, haha, confirmed the the 4/48,000 bumper to bumper and 7/100,000 powertrain warranties that come with certified cars, and the 2.99% financing thru Honda.

Then it was time for a long wait for finance. I had calculated all the numbers earlier, and knew what our monthly payment would be. Everything was going smoothly in finance, all the numbers as they should be.......then..... the extended warranty sell. Now this finance guy was no pressure, and he did present the benefits of a maintenance plan for around $700, and a new extended Honda warranty that was being offered. I know the mixed feelings on the extended warranties, and I've always declined them in the past, but this sounded pretty good. I could extend my bumper to bumper warranty out to 9 years and 150,000 miles for $1,930. O.k, something to think about. It is a Honda...reliability. But, it does have a turbo engine. A bit of an unknown and.some think not as reliable as a naturally aspirated engine. My wife says out loud it's my decision. Well....thanks. All 3 of us talk about it for awhile, I'm thinking the whole time if I can get this guy down from $1,930. He mentions something like the retail price on the extended warranty is $3,750. That's the opening the ole Jipster needed. I him and haw a bit, then ask the finance guy if there's anything he can do "on that price to make the decision easier for me?" He immediately picks up the phone and calls Big Boss Man. Asks if they can give me the extended warranty at cost. Big Boss Man gives the go ahead. So the 9 year bumper to bumper /150,000 miles warranty price is dropped down to $1,600. I think about it for a minute, then say, "let's do it". I have 90 days to drop the warranty at no cost. So any opinions? I expect 50% to say it's a waste of money, and 50% to say it's a good deal and good peace of mind. LOL.

O.k, we sign all the necessary paperback, say thank you to the finance man, meet our salseman...and.... he gives the keys to my brand new Accord EX-L to my wife! Just joking he says. I don't think he was. LOL.

A nice drive home in the rain. Getting ready to go over the owners manual in a bit. The Honda Specialist that was to give us a tutuorial on how everything works on the car had already left, so we'll try to hook up with her later in the week. I can present the final numbers if anyone wants to see them.

Thanks for the congratulatory comments: @driver100 @stickguy @nyccarguy @roadburner ,
@laurasdada @jmonroe1 @houdini1 @suydam @bwia @graphicguy @pensfan83 @28firefighter @abacomike @ab348 , @snakeweasel ....and even @explorerx4 LOL. And of course @benjaminh , And everyone else!! Everyone has been of great help..Great group of guys. Your membership dues for the next 5 years are on me!

I don't recall who suggested that I test drive the Honda Accord. Driver or Benjamin? Anyhow, thanks for helping me get in a car that was a great fit...meant to be.

fintail · April 2020

Believe it or not, HUD is a standalone option on the current USDM S-class. Kind of shocking it isn't in the premium package or drivers assist package.

Funny thing, for MY 2017 I think it was included in the premium 3 package on the E, but only that year, at least for USDM. It became standalone later. Due to supply issues, it and widescreen gauges are very rare on 2017 cars, and fairly uncommon after. The P3 package itself is also rare for US cars. Widescreen finally became a part of the basic premium package for 2020, which is effectively a mandatory option. HUD still standalone for E as well, and seldom-seen in my experience.

driver100 said:

btw...the 2017E400 has it, all S's must have it!

stickguy · April 2020

Jip, you will definitely get different opinions on the warranty. Put me in the wouldn't do it category. Got at least 6 years on the powertrain and after that, would invest the $1,600 and self insure. But, relatively cheap insurance to go out that far, if you are going to put that kind of miles on it (not putting a lot of miles on is one reason I don't bother to get one).

28firefighter · April 2020

Sounds like a decent deal for the warranty if you plan to keep it that long. I’ve never held a car longer than 3 years so...

28firefighter · April 2020

Also congratulations! A lot of the car for the money. Many happy miles with it.

graphicguy · April 2020

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.

I get that. There’s a black list of dealerships I won’t work with either.

jipster · April 2020

stickguy said:
Jip, you will definitely get different opinions on the warranty. Put me in the wouldn't do it category. Got at least 6 years on the powertrain and after that, would invest the $1,600 and self insure. But, relatively cheap insurance to go out that far, if you are going to put that kind of miles on it (not putting a lot of miles on is one reason I don't bother to get one).

Well, I did miscalculated on my estimated total miles in 9 years. At around 14,000 miles a year, that comes out to 126,000. My daughter just moved to Cincinnati,.so that may bump the numbers up a bit. Something to think about.as.I have 3 months to cancel. So powertrain. doesn't add a whole lot, 2 years and a bunch of extra miles. The bumper to bumper give us an extra 5 years and about 100,000 miles.

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