Total lease payment with Tax = $1,280.78 vs $1,320 from dealer.
List for Fees
Window Edge = 199.00
Gov't Fee = 665.60
Doc Fee = 699.00
Reg Fee = 304.50
Tire Fee = 6.00
Supl Title = 349.10
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Total Fees = 3,148.20
This does not seem like a great deal.
It seems average.
Sales tax in NJ is collected upfront. To properly calculate the payment, add the tax amount to the adjusted CAP, before calculating the payment. Then, no need to add it later.
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,280.78 vs $1,320 from dealer.
List for Fees
Window Edge = 199.00
Gov't Fee = 665.60
Doc Fee = 699.00
Reg Fee = 304.50
Tire Fee = 6.00
Supl Title = 349.10
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Total Fees = 3,148.20
This does not seem like a great deal.
It seems average.
Sales tax in NJ is collected upfront. To properly calculate the payment, add the tax amount to the adjusted CAP, before calculating the payment. Then, no need to add it later.
Did the dealer verify the MF being used?
@kyfdx - the MF is correct. The dealership sent me screenshots of all their inputs. Is Sale Tax calculated based on depreciation + fee + incentive, correct?
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,280.78 vs $1,320 from dealer.
List for Fees
Window Edge = 199.00
Gov't Fee = 665.60
Doc Fee = 699.00
Reg Fee = 304.50
Tire Fee = 6.00
Supl Title = 349.10
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Total Fees = 3,148.20
This does not seem like a great deal.
It seems average.
Sales tax in NJ is collected upfront. To properly calculate the payment, add the tax amount to the adjusted CAP, before calculating the payment. Then, no need to add it later.
Did the dealer verify the MF being used?
@kyfdx - the MF is correct. The dealership sent me screenshots of all their inputs. Is Sale Tax calculated based on depreciation + fee + incentive, correct?
The sales tax is calculated against the sum of the payments (depreciation + rent charge), plus any taxable fees like the dealer fee and acquisition fee. Incentives are also taxed.
If I add the acquisition fee to the selling price, and use .00118 and 55%, I get $1058/mo
Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
I'll check with the dealer. Btw, I forgot to mention I am rolling in NJ Sales tax $3,720.67 (103.35 per month) which is reflected in the 1,166.93.
If that's the case, then I am within $1 of the dealer quote.
Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
I just PM'd you. Are you aware of the lease loyalty program this month with BMW where they make your 1st two payments of your new lease? On the X7, it's up to $1,250/mo. Your profile looks like you have an M3. If so, you'd qualify for it. So, if you kept the current deal you have, your DAS (Due At Signing) would drop to $2,396-1,167=$1,229 (BMWFS kicks in the first payment). Then with two payments of $1,167 free, that's $2,334/36mo = $62/mo, so your effective payment would be around $1100/mo. Still think you can get lower than that tho...
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
If I add the acquisition fee to the selling price, and use .00118 and 55%, I get $1058/mo
Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
I'll check with the dealer. Btw, I forgot to mention I am rolling in NJ Sales tax $3,720.67 (103.35 per month) which is reflected in the 1,166.93.
If that's the case, then I am within $1 of the dealer quote.
Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
After I pointed out the sale tax was to high, the dealer confirmed there was an error in the sale tax calculation. Here are the corrected terms, going to sign the paperwork this Friday.
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,850
Times the residual value percentage = 0.55
Residual value = $51,064.71
Negotiated selling price of car =$84,029
Dealer Fees = upfront
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Gross Capitalized Cost = $84,954
Capitalized Cost Reduction (Incentives + Down Payment) = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost (ACC) = $83,454
Depreciation amount (DP) = $32,389.54
Lease payment w/o Tax = $1,058.44
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,137.90
If I factor in the BMW two Statement credits, my lease payments will be $999.64 or $1,074.68.
If I add the acquisition fee to the selling price, and use .00118 and 55%, I get $1058/mo
Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
I'll check with the dealer. Btw, I forgot to mention I am rolling in NJ Sales tax $3,720.67 (103.35 per month) which is reflected in the 1,166.93.
If that's the case, then I am within $1 of the dealer quote.
Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
After I pointed out the sale tax was to high, the dealer confirmed there was an error in the sale tax calculation. Here are the corrected terms, going to sign the paperwork this Friday.
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,850
Times the residual value percentage = 0.55
Residual value = $51,064.71
Negotiated selling price of car =$84,029
Dealer Fees = upfront
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Gross Capitalized Cost = $84,954
Capitalized Cost Reduction (Incentives + Down Payment) = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost (ACC) = $83,454
Depreciation amount (DP) = $32,389.54
Lease payment w/o Tax = $1,058.44
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,137.90
If I factor in the BMW two Statement credits, my lease payments will be $999.64 or $1,074.68.
If I add the acquisition fee to the selling price, and use .00118 and 55%, I get $1058/mo
Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
I'll check with the dealer. Btw, I forgot to mention I am rolling in NJ Sales tax $3,720.67 (103.35 per month) which is reflected in the 1,166.93.
If that's the case, then I am within $1 of the dealer quote.
Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
After I pointed out the sale tax was to high, the dealer confirmed there was an error in the sale tax calculation. Here are the corrected terms, going to sign the paperwork this Friday.
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,850
Times the residual value percentage = 0.55
Residual value = $51,064.71
Negotiated selling price of car =$84,029
Dealer Fees = upfront
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Gross Capitalized Cost = $84,954
Capitalized Cost Reduction (Incentives + Down Payment) = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost (ACC) = $83,454
Depreciation amount (DP) = $32,389.54
Lease payment w/o Tax = $1,058.44
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,137.90
If I factor in the BMW two Statement credits, my lease payments will be $999.64 or $1,074.68.
If I add the acquisition fee to the selling price, and use .00118 and 55%, I get $1058/mo
Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
I'll check with the dealer. Btw, I forgot to mention I am rolling in NJ Sales tax $3,720.67 (103.35 per month) which is reflected in the 1,166.93.
If that's the case, then I am within $1 of the dealer quote.
Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
After I pointed out the sale tax was to high, the dealer confirmed there was an error in the sale tax calculation. Here are the corrected terms, going to sign the paperwork this Friday.
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,850
Times the residual value percentage = 0.55
Residual value = $51,064.71
Negotiated selling price of car =$84,029
Dealer Fees = upfront
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Gross Capitalized Cost = $84,954
Capitalized Cost Reduction (Incentives + Down Payment) = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost (ACC) = $83,454
Depreciation amount (DP) = $32,389.54
Lease payment w/o Tax = $1,058.44
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,137.90
If I factor in the BMW two Statement credits, my lease payments will be $999.64 or $1,074.68.
If I add the acquisition fee to the selling price, and use .00118 and 55%, I get $1058/mo
Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
I'll check with the dealer. Btw, I forgot to mention I am rolling in NJ Sales tax $3,720.67 (103.35 per month) which is reflected in the 1,166.93.
If that's the case, then I am within $1 of the dealer quote.
Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
After I pointed out the sale tax was to high, the dealer confirmed there was an error in the sale tax calculation. Here are the corrected terms, going to sign the paperwork this Friday.
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,850
Times the residual value percentage = 0.55
Residual value = $51,064.71
Negotiated selling price of car =$84,029
Dealer Fees = upfront
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Gross Capitalized Cost = $84,954
Capitalized Cost Reduction (Incentives + Down Payment) = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost (ACC) = $83,454
Depreciation amount (DP) = $32,389.54
Lease payment w/o Tax = $1,058.44
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,137.90
If I factor in the BMW two Statement credits, my lease payments will be $999.64 or $1,074.68.
If I add the acquisition fee to the selling price, and use .00118 and 55%, I get $1058/mo
Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
I'll check with the dealer. Btw, I forgot to mention I am rolling in NJ Sales tax $3,720.67 (103.35 per month) which is reflected in the 1,166.93.
If that's the case, then I am within $1 of the dealer quote.
Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
After I pointed out the sale tax was to high, the dealer confirmed there was an error in the sale tax calculation. Here are the corrected terms, going to sign the paperwork this Friday.
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,850
Times the residual value percentage = 0.55
Residual value = $51,064.71
Negotiated selling price of car =$84,029
Dealer Fees = upfront
Acquisition fee = 925.00
Gross Capitalized Cost = $84,954
Capitalized Cost Reduction (Incentives + Down Payment) = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost (ACC) = $83,454
Depreciation amount (DP) = $32,389.54
Lease payment w/o Tax = $1,058.44
Total lease payment with Tax = $1,137.90
If I factor in the BMW two Statement credits, my lease payments will be $999.64 or $1,074.68.
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
From that, I conclude the MF is marked up, even though you say it isn't; that cap cost would result in a payment of $857/mo.
Can you obtain a copy of the lease worksheet from the dealer?
I also get 857, but was assuming that was pretax. I guess the adjusted cap cost should include tax so you are probably right. I have asked for the lease worksheet. Will revert.
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
From that, I conclude the MF is marked up, even though you say it isn't; that cap cost would result in a payment of $857/mo.
Can you obtain a copy of the lease worksheet from the dealer?
I also get 857, but was assuming that was pretax. I guess the adjusted cap cost should include tax so you are probably right. I have asked for the lease worksheet. Will revert.
The adjusted cap cost should include everything you aren't paying up front (taxes, fees, etc.).
FYI, in NY we recommend you pay the sales tax up front, when you sign the paperwork. Through a quirk in NY laws for sales tax, if you add the tax to the cap cost, it gets taxed again.
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
From that, I conclude the MF is marked up, even though you say it isn't; that cap cost would result in a payment of $857/mo.
Can you obtain a copy of the lease worksheet from the dealer?
I also get 857, but was assuming that was pretax. I guess the adjusted cap cost should include tax so you are probably right. I have asked for the lease worksheet. Will revert.
The adjusted cap cost should include everything you aren't paying up front (taxes, fees, etc.).
FYI, in NY we recommend you pay the sales tax up front, when you sign the paperwork. Through a quirk in NY laws for sales tax, if you add the tax to the cap cost, it gets taxed again.
So dealer gave the number pre-tax. so $68791 is selling price, while adj cap cost is $73026 (acq/cap adds of $1060 and tax of $3175). What do you think of the deal?
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
From that, I conclude the MF is marked up, even though you say it isn't; that cap cost would result in a payment of $857/mo.
Can you obtain a copy of the lease worksheet from the dealer?
I also get 857, but was assuming that was pretax. I guess the adjusted cap cost should include tax so you are probably right. I have asked for the lease worksheet. Will revert.
The adjusted cap cost should include everything you aren't paying up front (taxes, fees, etc.).
FYI, in NY we recommend you pay the sales tax up front, when you sign the paperwork. Through a quirk in NY laws for sales tax, if you add the tax to the cap cost, it gets taxed again.
So dealer gave the number pre-tax. so $68791 is selling price, while adj cap cost is $73026 (acq/cap adds of $1060 and tax of $3175). What do you think of the deal?
Only $500 or so higher than what I thought the adjusted cap would need to be, to get the quoted payment.
If you're happy with the discount from sticker, I don't see anything wrong with the deal.
I was offered a deal today. 2020 X7 xDRIVE40i. MSRP $74,846. 36/7.5, Zero down, MF 0.00118, RV 57%, zip 10128. monthly lease $963 and $1,200 upfront inc first month. Good deal?
Cap cost would have to be around $72,500 to get that payment.
From that, I conclude the MF is marked up, even though you say it isn't; that cap cost would result in a payment of $857/mo.
Can you obtain a copy of the lease worksheet from the dealer?
I also get 857, but was assuming that was pretax. I guess the adjusted cap cost should include tax so you are probably right. I have asked for the lease worksheet. Will revert.
The adjusted cap cost should include everything you aren't paying up front (taxes, fees, etc.).
FYI, in NY we recommend you pay the sales tax up front, when you sign the paperwork. Through a quirk in NY laws for sales tax, if you add the tax to the cap cost, it gets taxed again.
So dealer gave the number pre-tax. so $68791 is selling price, while adj cap cost is $73026 (acq/cap adds of $1060 and tax of $3175). What do you think of the deal?
Only $500 or so higher than what I thought the adjusted cap would need to be, to get the quoted payment.
If you're happy with the discount from sticker, I don't see anything wrong with the deal.
Just an average program on an expensive car.
Agree. This implies an 8% discount to MSRP which is ok but not great. I have seen higher, up to 12% for X7s. I will push for a lower selling price. Keep you posted.
I was trying to build and price X7 and I tried it on BMW website and then on Edmunds. On BMW website only (not on Edmunds), if I pick certain color such as Carbon Black Metallic it forces me to add M sport package, luxury seating package and full leather package, which adds $9650 to base MSRP. Any idea if I can get the color without those extra packages?
I was trying to build and price X7 and I tried it on BMW website and then on Edmunds. On BMW website only (not on Edmunds), if I pick certain color such as Carbon Black Metallic it forces me to add M sport package, luxury seating package and full leather package, which adds $9650 to base MSRP. Any idea if I can get the color without those extra packages?
Does anyone know if there are additional June rebates? I was told by a dealer that in June BMW may release better deals. Any news on this?
@koby14 - BMW dealers are running low on specific spec 3 series, X3, X4, X7, and X M. BMW has stopped taking any individual orders on any BMW X series until the South Carolina production is back to full operations after being closed due to Covid-19. I doubt there will be any June incentives.
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$1000 lease credit on 50i or M50i only
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,845
Residual value 55% = $51,064.75
Negotiated selling price of car = $81,704
DMV and dealer fees = $1,300
Gross capitalized cost =$83,004
Incentives $500 lease + 1K Loyalty = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost = $81,504
Depreciation amount. = $30,438.85
Base payment. =$845.52
Monthly MF .00118. =$96.17
Base payment without NJ Sales Tax = $941.70
Total lease payment with NJ Sale Tax = $1,004.09
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $91,850
Residual value 55% = $50,517.50
Negotiated selling price of car = $80,828
Title & Registration Fees ($1,300) + Acquisition ($925) = $2,225
Gross capitalized cost = $83,053
Incentives $500 lease + 1K Loyalty = ($1,500)
Adjusted capitalized cost = $81,553
Depreciation amount = $31,035.50
Base payment = $862.10
Monthly MF .00118 = $96.23
Base lease payment without NJ Tax = $958.33
Total lease payment with NJ Tax = $1,021.82
This is what I am going to present to the dealer as my offer, can I do better?
I think your rent charge calculation is wrong - my calculator shows $155.84/mo for that.
(81,553 + 50,517.50) * .00118
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I am not get that same amount from my spreadsheet. Not sure how the dealer got 2,913.65 in NJ Sales tax.
List for Fees
- Window Edge = 199.00
- Gov't Fee = 665.60
- Doc Fee = 699.00
- Reg Fee = 304.50
- Tire Fee = 6.00
- Supl Title = 349.10
- Acquisition fee = 925.00
- Total Fees = 3,148.20
This does not seem like a great deal.Sales tax in NJ is collected upfront. To properly calculate the payment, add the tax amount to the adjusted CAP, before calculating the payment. Then, no need to add it later.
Did the dealer verify the MF being used?
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
- MSRP =$92,845
- Selling Pricing = $82,529 (includes the $1,500 in rebates)
- Acquisition Fee = $925
- Dealer/State Fees = $1,229.44
- Customer Cash = $2,396.37 (1st month + Dealer/State Fees)
- Residual = $51,064.75
- Monthly = $1,166.93
Thoughts?Confirm the MF and the adjusted cap cost the dealer is using for their quote.
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Looks pretty good, to be honest.
Have you considered using MSDs to buy down the MF? $8400 of up front money would reduce the MF to .00083, and the payment drops to about $1118/mo. You'll save almost $1800 over the life of the lease, which works out to about a 7% return on the money. And, you'll get the $8400 back when the lease is over.
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I just PM'd you. Are you aware of the lease loyalty program this month with BMW where they make your 1st two payments of your new lease? On the X7, it's up to $1,250/mo. Your profile looks like you have an M3. If so, you'd qualify for it. So, if you kept the current deal you have, your DAS (Due At Signing) would drop to $2,396-1,167=$1,229 (BMWFS kicks in the first payment). Then with two payments of $1,167 free, that's $2,334/36mo = $62/mo, so your effective payment would be around $1100/mo. Still think you can get lower than that tho...
https://www.bmwusa.com/special-offers-from-bmw.html?modal=important-information
Ask the dealer what cap cost they are using.
Use this link to research pricing:
https://www.edmunds.com/new-cars/
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
- Sticker price (MSRP) of the car = $92,850
- Times the residual value percentage = 0.55
- Residual value = $51,064.71
- Negotiated selling price of car =$84,029
- Dealer Fees = upfront
- Acquisition fee = 925.00
- Gross Capitalized Cost = $84,954
- Capitalized Cost Reduction (Incentives + Down Payment) = ($1,500)
- Adjusted capitalized cost (ACC) = $83,454
- Depreciation amount (DP) = $32,389.54
- Lease payment w/o Tax = $1,058.44
- Total lease payment with Tax = $1,137.90
If I factor in the BMW two Statement credits, my lease payments will be $999.64 or $1,074.68.Thank-you to everyone for all your input.
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Can you obtain a copy of the lease worksheet from the dealer?
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FYI, in NY we recommend you pay the sales tax up front, when you sign the paperwork. Through a quirk in NY laws for sales tax, if you add the tax to the cap cost, it gets taxed again.
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If you're happy with the discount from sticker, I don't see anything wrong with the deal.
Just an average program on an expensive car.
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Any taxes or fees you don't pay up front are added to the selling price to get the adjusted cap cost.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
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BMW of Lancaster
Otto's BMW
What term and mileage allowance?
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.00118 MF and 53% residual
No lease incentives
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/cars/car-dealerships-low-inventories/index.html
$500 lease credit
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Deduct $0.25/mile from the calculated residual, to account for the current mileage.
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