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carnaught · June 2020

Congrats @breld - love the car!

tjc78 · June 2020

corvette said:

28firefighter said:
I’m more interested in what lift they have and how tall the garage is...
And whether the lift has a safety system on the lowering button to prevent a very expensive “oopsie.”

There has to be a sensor to avoid doing that.

@breld
Awesome. When we got my Mom’s RAV4 I was sitting right next to one just like that in the showroom. Love it.

nyccarguy · June 2020

Vanity plate??

ALLMITY

Michaell · June 2020

nyccarguy said:
Vanity plate??

ALLMITY

No no no...

ZEE FOUR

Michaell · June 2020

Buy a car with known accident damage?

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/61604/honda/civic/need-advice-on-buying-a-car-with-accident-reported#latest

breld · June 2020

Sincere thank you to all for the compliments and for the advice along the way. While it was only about a week, it was quite a journey.

Some more pics at home...

Michaell · June 2020

breld said:
Sincere thank you to all for the compliments and for the advice along the way. While it was only about a week, it was quite a journey.

Some more pics at home...

Time to change the 'ol signature line.

28firefighter · June 2020

Man that’s really sharp...

suydam · June 2020

Congratulations, @breid!

breld · June 2020

pensfan83 said:

breld said:
I almost feel bad for the finance guy when he goes over all the options for extending warranty coverage and maintenance plans to longer than the 3 years (in this case) and I decline - they can’t really argue with my reasoning. 😀
They give you 3 years Toyota Care on the Supra? It's normally 2.

No it is 2 on the maintenance. I misspoke.

Michaell · June 2020

@breld, you need to post a head on shot to show where the radar is for the ACC.

fintail · June 2020

Congrats on the Supra, definitely like the silver more than yellow - less conspicuous is good.

stickguy · June 2020

Very sharp. Congrats. Enjoy it.

[Deleted User] · June 2020

Sweet ride @breld are those backup lights below the license plate?

28firefighter · June 2020

And do we get the deets on the deal? Better/worse than the yellow one?

benjaminh · June 2020

Congrats! Hope you enjoy the heck out of it.

mjfloyd1 · June 2020

breld said:

pensfan83 said:

breld said:
I almost feel bad for the finance guy when he goes over all the options for extending warranty coverage and maintenance plans to longer than the 3 years (in this case) and I decline - they can’t really argue with my reasoning. 😀
They give you 3 years Toyota Care on the Supra? It's normally 2.
No it is 2 on the maintenance. I misspoke.

Two years should be more than adequate

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

tjc78 said:
It could be tax but it wasn’t noted that it was.

I’m going to look at the paperwork when I get home. IIRC adjusted cap with taxes (total lease here in NJ and acq free was $42700 or so. Selling price was right around 40k on a 50k MSRP. Rebates were to the dealer so I wasn’t taxed on the huge incentive.

I’ve made 9 payments (10th due in a week or so).

I guess it could be right, but seems high to me.

Probably all a moot point. Wife doesn’t want to sell it and what could it be worth to Vroom or Carvana? 35K at most?

When you say rebates were to the dealer what do you mean exactly? My understanding is they tax the rebate too (at least in NY). Is there something special you have to do have the rebate be counted as a price reduction rather than a cash payback to the buyer?

kyfdx · June 2020

@breld

You traded my BMW?

graphicguy · June 2020

Funny about getting to F&I regarding extended warranty. On the Stinger, I was going over the numbers agreed to with the F&I guy and he kept showing me the extended warranty purchase prices. I had to laugh, as the sales lady kept touting the 5 year bumper to bumper and 10 year drivetrain warranty. Yet, here’s the finance guy telling me why I should buy an extended warranty.

He wasn’t obnoxious, but didn’t take the first “no” as my final answer (yet, it was). I finally ended up telling him that it would be a minor miracle if I kept the Stinger past the bumper-to-bumper warranty period.

graphicguy · June 2020

breld said:
Sincere thank you to all for the compliments and for the advice along the way. While it was only about a week, it was quite a journey.

Some more pics at home...

Love it! Beautiful!

tjc78 · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:
It could be tax but it wasn’t noted that it was.

I’m going to look at the paperwork when I get home. IIRC adjusted cap with taxes (total lease here in NJ and acq free was $42700 or so. Selling price was right around 40k on a 50k MSRP. Rebates were to the dealer so I wasn’t taxed on the huge incentive.

I’ve made 9 payments (10th due in a week or so).

I guess it could be right, but seems high to me.

Probably all a moot point. Wife doesn’t want to sell it and what could it be worth to Vroom or Carvana? 35K at most?
When you say rebates were to the dealer what do you mean exactly? My understanding is they tax the rebate too (at least in NY). Is there something special you have to do have the rebate be counted as a price reduction rather than a cash payback to the buyer?

There was a factory to dealer incentive/rebate whatever you want to call it that took the money right off the sales price. Worked in my favor as that $4500 or so wasn’t taxed. Probably saved about $5 a month on the lease.

It was something I learned about here and used it to negotiate 19% off the MSRP.

roadburner · June 2020

graphicguy said:
Funny about getting to F&I regarding extended warranty. On the Stinger, I was going over the numbers agreed to with the F&I guy and he kept showing me the extended warranty purchase prices. I had to laugh, as the sales lady kept touting the 5 year bumper to bumper and 10 year drivetrain warranty. Yet, here’s the finance guy telling me why I should buy an extended warranty.

He wasn’t obnoxious, but didn’t take the first “no” as my final answer (yet, it was). I finally ended up telling him that it would be a minor miracle if I kept the Stinger past the bumper-to-bumper warranty period.

Decades ago I was looking at a Subaru for my wife and I wanted a car with leather rather than the ubiquitous mouse fur upholstery that most Japanese cars sported at the time. When I asked about a car with leather the salesman told me that they could install a leather interior. I told them I wasn’t very enthusiastic about dealer installed options he said, “The leather we use is a LOT better than the stuff Subaru uses.” I didn’t want to argue with the dimwit, but I was tempted to ask, “If Subaru uses substandard material in the interior that you CAN see, what corners are they cutting on the parts you CAN’T see?”

ab348 · June 2020

What the sales guy said was likely true. Most mainstream brands, and especially those of Japanese origin, use (or at least tended to in the recent past) low-end leather. But it isn't limited just to the Japanese makes. I have seen firsthand how the leather used in Mustangs circa 2010 or so can deteriorate badly in just a few years. I suspect that is why they introduced a premium-level upgrade leather option a few years back.

tjc78 · June 2020

When are talking time wise?

The leather in my 2000 Solara, 03 Avalon and 06 Avalon all looked brand new after three years. I’m a big guy too so I’m probably harder on the seats than smaller folk.

breld · June 2020

kyfdx said:
@breld

You traded my BMW?

Uh oh. I did indeed.

breld · June 2020

dad23 said:
Sweet ride @breld are those backup lights below the license plate?

Thanks! Yup, that’s the backup light.

qbrozen · June 2020

nyccarguy said:

coulda bought a bigger garage with auto openers for all the money sitting there.

qbrozen · June 2020

breld said:
Sincere thank you to all for the compliments and for the advice along the way. While it was only about a week, it was quite a journey.

Some more pics at home...

Pretty sharp.

No interior?

tjc78 · June 2020

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

coulda bought a bigger garage with auto openers for all the money sitting there.

That’s the garage for the housekeepers’ cars. 🤣

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

28firefighter said:
I really like this:
https://www.eimports4less.com/details-2017-mini-cooper_s_clubman-certified_clubman_s_all4_awd_6_speed_manual-used-wmwlu5c39h2f24672.html?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

I don’t care for those black wheels but who am I to argue...it’s the style of the times.

https://youtu.be/a6Dc7W6jXCo

corvette · June 2020

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

coulda bought a bigger garage with auto openers for all the money sitting there.

Looks like wall mounted openers to me - I see a keypad. But yeah, I'd upgrade my garage to be able to store all those cars on the ground.

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

breld said:
As far as maintenance, IF I were to keep this out of warranty, I do believe I’d be at my independent BMW mechanic rather than Toyota.

(I can just about hear you all chuckling. But I do like to think ahead even if it’s pointless.)

You might want to investigate that beforehand. When Chrysler sold a rebadged SLK as the Crossfire, MB mechanics wouldn’t touch them. As time went on Chrysler stopped carrying parts which made it even tougher on owners.

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

Michaell said:
I was given permission to post this. @breld swung by my house on his way home from the dealer.

Pictures do not do justice. The car is gorgeous.

This might just be a keeper. I mean, really, where do you go from here? He isn't the kind of guy to drive a C8, I don't think.

I take back my opinion about preferring it in yellow. Very nice. The color highlights the lines better.

tjc78 · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

28firefighter said:
I really like this:
https://www.eimports4less.com/details-2017-mini-cooper_s_clubman-certified_clubman_s_all4_awd_6_speed_manual-used-wmwlu5c39h2f24672.html?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com
I don’t care for those black wheels but who am I to argue...it’s the style of the times.

https://youtu.be/a6Dc7W6jXCo

I’m about to throw in the towel on the black wheels. So many cars have them now. My wife actually likes the look and mentioned wanting them on her next ride. Ugh.

Kirstie_H · June 2020

breld said:
Sincere thank you to all for the compliments and for the advice along the way. While it was only about a week, it was quite a journey.

Awesome pics! Looks better in the "real world" than in stock photos, IMO. If you get a chance, write a quick review of your Supra. There are only 3 so far, and one 2-star review makes it look like a dud. https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/gr-supra/2020/write-review/

breld · June 2020

28firefighter said:
And do we get the deets on the deal? Better/worse than the yellow one?

Details - $56,140 MSRP, paid $47,700 plus tax. So about $5k off plus the $3,500 rebate. That’s just under 9% off before the rebate, an overall 15% off sticker. They basically sold it for dealer invoice plus the incentive.

The accountant in me though recognizes the yellow one was a better deal. They were around $6k off before the incentive (10.7%).

But at the end of the day, that one started $1,400 higher with the extra charge yellow and some port installed carbon fiber mirror caps. Obviously I decided against the yellow, and while I wouldn’t mind the mirror caps, I’m not about to add them for $925.

So...at the end of the day, my silver one was $300 less than the yellow and I gained about $1k in tax savings by trading in the 228i (I wasn’t gonna drive it to Indy to trade). And I got to avoid the travel costs and hassle.

So big picture? Yeah, I think it was a better deal.

breld · June 2020

Kirstie_H said:

breld said:
Sincere thank you to all for the compliments and for the advice along the way. While it was only about a week, it was quite a journey.
Awesome pics! Looks better in the "real world" than in stock photos, IMO. If you get a chance, write a quick review of your Supra. There are only 3 so far, and one 2-star review makes it look like a dud. https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/gr-supra/2020/write-review/

Thanks Kirstie! Absolutely agree it looks better in person than in pictures, not that the pictures are too shabby. A lot of the pictures from the front make the hood look “Viper-ish,” but the proportions are better in person (IMO).

I like that it’s about the same length as my 228i, but obviously comes off with a very different look.

I’ll make sure to post a review after at least a few more days of actual experience.

breld · June 2020

qbrozen said:

breld said:
Sincere thank you to all for the compliments and for the advice along the way. While it was only about a week, it was quite a journey.

Some more pics at home...

Pretty sharp.

No interior?

Thanks Q. I’ll try to get some interior shots later today. It’s been mostly sunny for weeks in CO, but the weather gods chose today to be rainy pretty much the whole day.

Michaell · June 2020

@corvette - what is our punch count, now that we're almost halfway through the year?

tifighter · June 2020

breld said:

28firefighter said:
And do we get the deets on the deal? Better/worse than the yellow one?
Details - $56,140 MSRP, paid $47,700 plus tax. So about $5k off plus the $3,500 rebate. That’s just under 9% off before the rebate, an overall 15% off sticker. They basically sold it for dealer invoice plus the incentive.

The accountant in me though recognizes the yellow one was a better deal. They were around $6k off before the incentive (10.7%).

But at the end of the day, that one started $1,400 higher with the extra charge yellow and some port installed carbon fiber mirror caps. Obviously I decided against the yellow, and while I wouldn’t mind the mirror caps, I’m not about to add them for $925.

So...at the end of the day, my silver one was $300 less than the yellow and I gained about $1k in tax savings by trading in the 228i (I wasn’t gonna drive it to Indy to trade). And I got to avoid the travel costs and hassle.

So big picture? Yeah, I think it was a better deal.

This sounds like a good deal. And you get to enjoy it now, and know how it was broken in. Well bought. I'd bet these deals/incentives won't be around on '21 models, because there won't be many '21 models.

28firefighter · June 2020

Sounds like a very fair deal - one of the dealers over on LH made it clear that after 9.2% discount on these, they're into serious loss territory - so you did great!

laurasdada · June 2020

Congrats. breld! If the silver looks that good in pix, must look great in real life!

rayainsw · June 2020

Congrats breld!!!!!
Looks great.
Driving impressions when you can, please !
- Ray
Enjoy!

rayainsw · June 2020

Hello Kirstie_H
Great to see you post here,
- Ray
Miss ya

xwesx · June 2020

explorerx4 said:
Hood stripes are listed as one the options on that Mini, but I don't see them.

You didn't? They were silver.

kyfdx · June 2020

Sirius/XM subscription promo ran out on my wife's car. Didn't realize it until I saw $22 charge on the credit card. 20 minutes on the phone... back to $7.27/mo. for another year.

breld · June 2020

I was just able to transfer my Sirius service subscription (and promo plan pricing) from the 228i to the Supra all on-line without having to pick up the phone.

That makes me happy.

carnaught · June 2020

kyfdx said:
Sirius/XM subscription promo ran out on my wife's car. Didn't realize it until I saw $22 charge on the credit card. 20 minutes on the phone... back to $7.27/mo. for another year.

Put a reminder in your smart phone for a alert a few days before the subscription promo is scheduled to run out. That way you can call them and mitigate an upcoming hassle.

breld · June 2020

That's a good suggestion. I put in reminders in my calendar so I could do just that. But as you can imagine, I generally am switching cars before any subscription actually runs out.

But I've become accustomed to the routine of calling Sirius and making sure any promotional pricing is transferred properly every time I switch.

In fact, I have a very routine mental process with every new car - 1) call my insurance agent, 2) call and change the info for the Toll transponder and 3) update SiriusXM.

I had a pleasant surprise with that insurance update - my agent already got me the new premium and the monthly went up by $20 from the 2014 228i. I considered that an absolute win.

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