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stickguy · November 2020

breld said:
A new Civic is always fun news, IMO.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34632851/2022-honda-civic-prototype-revealed/

Looks to be on the conservative side, but in a good way. As always, the Si and Type R reveals will be interesting.

I like it a lot. Perfect size, and depending on how they configure the trims, might even get a package available the way I want it. The primary issue I had with the last model was the driver's seat. Even the power version did not fit me right IIRC. But better than the manual seat which was just awful.

tjc78 · November 2020

xwesx said:

tjc78 said:
No, it's not but it was principal.

Yes, we picked it up Sat morning. We left a little before 9 and were back before 3.
Okay, so two follow-on questions:

1. Did your wife end up driving the XC90 back?
2. If so, did she have a huge grin on her face when you arrived home?

Yes she did drive it back and I could tell she really enjoyed it. When I pulled in the garage and she pulled up behind I could hear her breaking in the stereo.

tjc78 · November 2020

I like the Laser too. For me, it’s missing the one required option... digital dash. Any funky 80s car needs that. What’s up with the crank windows? Spent the money for the pen interior and cheaper out in the windows?

ab348 · November 2020

breld said:
A new Civic is always fun news, IMO.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34632851/2022-honda-civic-prototype-revealed/

Looks to be on the conservative side, but in a good way. As always, the Si and Type R reveals will be interesting.

Looks like they dialed back the overstyling a bit so that's a plus.

ab348 · November 2020

Sandman6472 said:

Was at the BMW/Mini store today and saw the perfect Mini Cooper S 2-door. Was dark silver with a white top and white caps on the side view mirrors. Price was like $34,500 but it did have an $8500 package on it with lots of stuff. All I really wanted was a sun/moon roof, SAT radio(a year subscription), and the Harman Kardan audio system. The rest of the package was stuff that I had no interest in. Looks to be a fun vehicle. Even tough I say I want "cheap to keep" next time, that Mini Cooper called out to me just like the VW GTI and the new VW Taos does.

From what I understand, Minis (being BMWs under the skin) are anything but cheap to keep. An acquaintance recently had her 2013 with 20K miles in for a look at the brakes. $1500 later she was out the door.

mjfloyd1 · November 2020

@roadburner

Is the S55 crank hub failure an issue for all S55 vs tuned?

mjfloyd1 · November 2020

corvette said:
Okay, got the punches for @isellhondas and @kyfdx recorded. @andres3 - did your deal go through? If so, year and mileage for the punch list? Thanks!

For some strange reason, I am anticipating a pi$$ing match with the NV BMW dealer over the S4. No idea why I think that 😁

oldfarmer50 · November 2020

breld said:
My first car (except mine was an automatic and blue), inherited from my brother who had replaced it with a newer Laser XT in a manual with T-tops.

Brings back memories.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-chrysler-laser-20/

Wasn’t that an all Chrysler design that sandwiched in between various Mitsubishi based models? If so it makes it kind of unique.

oldfarmer50 · November 2020

xwesx said:

oldfarmer50 said:
This could be my next Mustang.

In ten years.

No, no, no, I’d never buy any hot car used. Too much chance of abuse. That’s why I’m amazed that most of you guys are willing to chance it. I bought my last two sporty cars new. The sweet spot for my hoopties is between 10 and 20 years old.

kyfdx · November 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:
My first car (except mine was an automatic and blue), inherited from my brother who had replaced it with a newer Laser XT in a manual with T-tops.

Brings back memories.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-chrysler-laser-20/
Wasn’t that an all Chrysler design that sandwiched in between various Mitsubishi based models? If so it makes it kind of unique.

I think it's a twin (triplet?) of the Dodge/Plymouth models

graphicguy · November 2020

kyfdx said:
My son's replacement for the Tacoma lease. He says he'll pay me for it, by the end of the year.

2012 Forester 2.5X w/manual transmission
125K miles.
Fairly well equipped... power everything... auto-dimming/compass mirror.

It really does look as good as the picture. Single owner, with the Carfax showing a ton of maintenance, including a new clutch at 97K miles.

$6315 + $250 doc fee + tax/title.

Yay.......a cool punch. A nice one, no less! Congrats to your son!

tjc78 · November 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:
My first car (except mine was an automatic and blue), inherited from my brother who had replaced it with a newer Laser XT in a manual with T-tops.

Brings back memories.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-chrysler-laser-20/
Wasn’t that an all Chrysler design that sandwiched in between various Mitsubishi based models? If so it makes it kind of unique.

As far as I know the Laser was all Chrysler, platform shared with the Dodge Daytona.

Are you thinking of the Conquest? That was a re-badged Mitsubishi Starion.

stickguy · November 2020

Was that Daytona a K car derivative, or an evolution of the Omni platform?

sda · November 2020

stickguy said:
Was that Daytona a K car derivative, or an evolution of the Omni platform?

K-car

oldfarmer50 · November 2020

tjc78 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:
My first car (except mine was an automatic and blue), inherited from my brother who had replaced it with a newer Laser XT in a manual with T-tops.

Brings back memories.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-chrysler-laser-20/
Wasn’t that an all Chrysler design that sandwiched in between various Mitsubishi based models? If so it makes it kind of unique.
As far as I know the Laser was all Chrysler, platform shared with the Dodge Daytona.

Are you thinking of the Conquest? That was a re-badged Mitsubishi Starion.

I’m thinking of the Challenger which was based on the Mitsu Galant. It came before the Daytona-Laser. Later I think they replaced them with a Mitsu Eclipse clone. Chrysler did so much parts sharing back then it’s hard to keep them straight.

roadburner · November 2020

mjfloyd1 said:
@roadburner

Is the S55 crank hub failure an issue for all S55 vs tuned?

Much more of an issue with tuned cars.

roadburner · November 2020

ab348 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Was at the BMW/Mini store today and saw the perfect Mini Cooper S 2-door. Was dark silver with a white top and white caps on the side view mirrors. Price was like $34,500 but it did have an $8500 package on it with lots of stuff. All I really wanted was a sun/moon roof, SAT radio(a year subscription), and the Harman Kardan audio system. The rest of the package was stuff that I had no interest in. Looks to be a fun vehicle. Even tough I say I want "cheap to keep" next time, that Mini Cooper called out to me just like the VW GTI and the new VW Taos does.
From what I understand, Minis (being BMWs under the skin) are anything but cheap to keep. An acquaintance recently had her 2013 with 20K miles in for a look at the brakes. $1500 later she was out the door.

That sounds exactly like a dealer where the SA works on commission. Regardless, the third generation cars with the B37 or B38 three cylinders and the B48 four cylinder have fewer issues than the older models.

roadburner · November 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

xwesx said:

oldfarmer50 said:
This could be my next Mustang.

In ten years.
No, no, no, I’d never buy any hot car used. Too much chance of abuse. That’s why I’m amazed that most of you guys are willing to chance it. I bought my last two sporty cars new. The sweet spot for my hoopties is between 10 and 20 years old.

If I took that advice I wouldn’t have bought my E24 M6 or my M235i- and I’ve never regretted either purchase.

tifighter · November 2020

Maybe I missed it, but has this one been posted yet?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-honda-prelude-35/

oldfarmer50 · November 2020

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

xwesx said:

oldfarmer50 said:
This could be my next Mustang.

In ten years.
No, no, no, I’d never buy any hot car used. Too much chance of abuse. That’s why I’m amazed that most of you guys are willing to chance it. I bought my last two sporty cars new. The sweet spot for my hoopties is between 10 and 20 years old.
If I took that advice I wouldn’t have bought my E24 M6 or my M235i- and I’ve never regretted either purchase.

I’m assuming you are more knowledgeable than me when it comes to making those judgements. Maybe when I finally have had enough with the winters up here I can move to your neck of the woods and you can share your expertise.

tjc78 · November 2020

LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.

oldfarmer50 · November 2020

tifighter said:
Maybe I missed it, but has this one been posted yet?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-honda-prelude-35/

I really like that. Price reflects that super low milage.

roadburner · November 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

xwesx said:

oldfarmer50 said:
This could be my next Mustang.

In ten years.
No, no, no, I’d never buy any hot car used. Too much chance of abuse. That’s why I’m amazed that most of you guys are willing to chance it. I bought my last two sporty cars new. The sweet spot for my hoopties is between 10 and 20 years old.
If I took that advice I wouldn’t have bought my E24 M6 or my M235i- and I’ve never regretted either purchase.

I’m assuming you are more knowledgeable than me when it comes to making those judgements. Maybe when I finally have had enough with the winters up here I can move to your neck of the woods and you can share your expertise.

It's not that tough; a car that's been hooned is pretty easy to spot. A FSH also tends to ensure the car was properly maintained.

nyccarguy · November 2020

tifighter said:
Maybe I missed it, but has this one been posted yet?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-honda-prelude-35/

Gorgeous car. It looks spectacular in nighthawk black pearl. When I bought my car, I imagined this is what it would look like all these years later. It’s upsetting to see a gorgeous car like this when mine is sitting under its cover in the driveway.

explorerx4 · November 2020

"22k" miles with 3 previous owners?

garrison16 · November 2020

I owned a 1993 Laser. It was a twin of the Mitsubishi Eclipse

sda · November 2020

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.

Wow

xwesx · November 2020

sda said:

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.
Wow

Yeah, let GM finance eat that one!

stickguy · November 2020

a $2,000 hit is a lot less than I would have expected from them. I would have guessed $5,000+

Sandman6472 · November 2020

I know a Mini Cooper will not be "cheap to keep" but hey, I like 'em! Maybe it's their smaller size that attracts me but I'd like one someday. But again, I'd have to see how low they really are as with my spinal issues, anything lower then my current VW will just not work going forward. I showed one to the Mrs. and she thought they were too small yet I'm thinking they're probably the size of the kids Accent. I do think a test drive is in order sometime later next year just to see. They do get pricey just by adding a few goodies but certain goodies I will not compromise on.

stickguy · November 2020

a new one would have a 4 year warranty. So will be pretty cheap up through that point. Especially when you don't drive a whole lot of miles.

nyccarguy · November 2020

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.

What was the sticker on that?

stickguy · November 2020

with that residual, must have been pushing 50 large.

breld · November 2020

garrison16 said:
I owned a 1993 Laser. It was a twin of the Mitsubishi Eclipse

They revived the Laser name in the ‘90’s as the Plymouth Laser, twin not only to the Eclipse but the Eagle Talon.

My brother and I lusted after those, as I imagine most any enthusiasts did at the time. Thinking about it now, it’s shocking we didn’t end up with one.

stickguy · November 2020

Still time.

stickguy · November 2020

Really positive review on the new Elantra N. Another one of the popular guys also seemed to love it. This could be fun to have. Will be interesting to see how they equip the US version (and of course, price it).

tjc78 · November 2020

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.
What was the sticker on that?

$49XXX

explorerx4 · November 2020

Carvana is selling 2017 Enclave's for between 23 and 26k.

tjc78 · November 2020

I guess GM financial is going to lose on all the 2017s. Makes sense. End of the run and sold with a deep discount/ rebate.

qbrozen · November 2020

Guess that Fiat owner wants to keep it or is trying to hide something. Crickets since telling me he’d send the VIN and never answered my question about how long he has owned it.

ab348 · November 2020

roadburner said:

ab348 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Was at the BMW/Mini store today and saw the perfect Mini Cooper S 2-door. Was dark silver with a white top and white caps on the side view mirrors. Price was like $34,500 but it did have an $8500 package on it with lots of stuff. All I really wanted was a sun/moon roof, SAT radio(a year subscription), and the Harman Kardan audio system. The rest of the package was stuff that I had no interest in. Looks to be a fun vehicle. Even tough I say I want "cheap to keep" next time, that Mini Cooper called out to me just like the VW GTI and the new VW Taos does.
From what I understand, Minis (being BMWs under the skin) are anything but cheap to keep. An acquaintance recently had her 2013 with 20K miles in for a look at the brakes. $1500 later she was out the door.
That sounds exactly like a dealer where the SA works on commission. Regardless, the third generation cars with the B37 or B38 three cylinders and the B48 four cylinder have fewer issues than the older models.

Well, our lone BMW/Mini dealer here is well-known locally for their ability to do total cashectomies on the wallets of customers of their service department. They are almost universally reviled. Interestingly, the original owners were recently bought out by one of the large dealership groups here in town who have a reasonably good reputation, but apparently little has changed there so far.

nyccarguy · November 2020

tjc78 said:

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.
What was the sticker on that?
$49XXX

$16,900? So $18,900 without the accident? OUCH! That's some serious depreciation. That's the beauty of leasing.

ab348 · November 2020

This is the generation of Prelude that appeals to me. I remember one locally in this color and I always liked it because it was a subtle shade of yellow.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-honda-prelude-9/

tjc78 · November 2020

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.
What was the sticker on that?
$49XXX
$16,900? So $18,900 without the accident? OUCH! That's some serious depreciation. That's the beauty of leasing.

Yeah it took a beating and way back of the residual.

Inspector just finished ... said he would knock at the door if he saw anything he knows they would balk at. Otherwise I just have to wait for the report. I was told to put the keys on the front seat because of Covid. I did just that with both sets, sitting on the owner’s manual pouch.

nyccarguy · November 2020

tjc78 said:

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.
What was the sticker on that?
$49XXX
$16,900? So $18,900 without the accident? OUCH! That's some serious depreciation. That's the beauty of leasing.
Yeah it took a beating and way back of the residual.

Inspector just finished ... said he would knock at the door if he saw anything he knows they would balk at. Otherwise I just have to wait for the report. I was told to put the keys on the front seat because of Covid. I did just that with both sets, sitting on the owner’s manual pouch.

ab348 · November 2020

It would be something if he left without knocking on the door and you went out later to find just one set of keys on the seat.

graphicguy · November 2020

@isellhondas ...missed your punch. Congrats.

graphicguy · November 2020

qbrozen said:
I've searched and it seems most owners have had positive experiences with their 500s. Most naysayers don't even own them and are just repeating past biases they have heard.

@qbrozen ....I know two people who own a 500. Not sure the models, but both love them with none of the unreliability issues we’ve heard with Fiats. Small sample size, but you can always punt it if it becomes anything less than reliable. Looks like fun, too.

Michaell · November 2020

graphicguy said:

qbrozen said:
I've searched and it seems most owners have had positive experiences with their 500s. Most naysayers don't even own them and are just repeating past biases they have heard.
@qbrozen ....I know two people who own a 500. Not sure the models, but both love them with none of the unreliability issues we’ve heard with Fiats. Small sample size, but you can always punt it if it becomes anything less than reliable. Looks like fun, too.

My cousin owned a 500 for a time. She absolutely loved it, and I'm not aware of any reliability issues. She was forced to get rid of it (financial issues) and eventually replaced it with a Kia Soul with a stick shift.

stickguy · November 2020

tjc78 said:

nyccarguy said:

tjc78 said:
LMAO
I figured I would throw the Enclave into Carvana to see if I could save the Dispo fee

Umm.. no. I put in one accident due to the paint work on the door. That’s probably not even on the CarFax since it was a cash deal with the body shop.

Either way the offer wasn’t even close. $16,900 with a $2000 hit for the accident. Residual is $27,200.
What was the sticker on that?
$49XXX

Dang I’m good!

Some serious depreciation on those.

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