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drhkulkarni · April 2021

stickguy said:
So it isn’t actually a trade? Unclear if you would get a sales tax credit. And some states (such as NJ) don’t give the credit when trading in a leased car anyway.

But you still come out ahead if you get out of the lease early (fewer payments), and won’t have to pay the disposition fee which will probably he higher than the difference Tesla is giving you. And of course, no damage penalties.

Yes this is what I am thinking...I think the damage penalties is what probably skews it in this direction, nor the disposition fee (good point).

The sense I get from Tesla is that I buy out the lease, then sell it to them (for a value that we have agreed upon). They take the trade in value off the new car price.

A point of reference is that I am receiving $37,162 from Carvana. So I could make $2084 by selling it to Carvana, and then finance the Tesla between 1-2% APR (private financing) without any money leaving my bank OR trade the car into Tesla for about $300 lesser and potentially get the final price of the Tesla lower *(and thus have lower sales tax).

stickguy · April 2021

If you are buying it out you will not pay the disposable fee or for damage, but you will pay sales tax (and possibly some DMV costs). The trade credit would offset the tax, but in this situation, you might as well shop it to Carvana and Carmax too. At least that way you don’t have to deal with buying it out.

coldinohio · April 2021

abacomike said:
Tomorrow afternoon, I am scheduled for a colonoscopy at the outpatient wing of the Broward Medical Center in Coral Springs. My friend is picking me up and driving me home. Got clearance from my cardiologist yesterday.

The colonoscopy itself is easy-peasy - but from 3:00 PM this afternoon until 1:00 PM tomorrow, not only do I have to refrain from food, but the chemicals I have to swallow and the aftermath is a true misery, as all of you know! This is something I have been able to avoid for 6-7 years - but my doctor finally realized it’s been over 5 years since my last experience which he was not happy with. So I am now being punished!

All kidding aside, I realize this is a necessary part of life especially since I am a liver cancer survivor and my mother had colon cancer. At least I can catch up on all the posts while “throning” every few hours. 🤪😜

Colon Blow--- prep is the worst!!!

good luck

28firefighter · April 2021

Two colonoscopies here in the last year. I recommend you fasten your seatbelt and keep your toilet lids in their upright and locked position.

drhkulkarni · April 2021

stickguy said:
If you are buying it out you will not pay the disposable fee or for damage, but you will pay sales tax (and possibly some DMV costs). The trade credit would offset the tax, but in this situation, you might as well shop it to Carvana and Carmax too. At least that way you don’t have to deal with buying it out.

Yeah - Carvana is offering 2K extra for the car, while Tesla isn't offering anything in addition to the payoff price. So I suspect the difference on savings on the new car sales tax will be a wash, especially if you are saying that there would be sales tax on buying out the leased car, and DMV costs. Isn't the sales tax usually incorporated into the payoff price?

stickguy · April 2021

Depends on how they gave you the number. If it does, then Tesla offer might still be better. I would just break it down on a quick spreadsheet to see if the tax credit makes that the best option.

driver100 · April 2021

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
Tomorrow afternoon, I am scheduled for a colonoscopy. At least I can catch up on all the posts while “throning” every few hours. 🤪😜
Good luck Mike....I feel for you. Wish they could make that liquid taste like a fine wine, beer or at least a chocolate milkshake. The good news is once it is done you will have 5 years before another one....and you can get all the latest late breaking posts while on the throne.

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe

Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.

drhkulkarni · April 2021

stickguy said:
Depends on how they gave you the number. If it does, then Tesla offer might still be better. I would just break it down on a quick spreadsheet to see if the tax credit makes that the best option.

The other hidden cost here is that I would use 30K out of my bank to buy out the Volvo, and then would take a loan of only 20K on the Tesla, whereas if I sold to carvana, I would take a loan on the 50K. With rates at around 1.5-1.7% APR, it may be worth taking full loan...

driver100 · April 2021

@drhkulkarni
I think you need an accountant to figure this out!

drhkulkarni · April 2021

driver100 said:
@drhkulkarni
I think you need an accountant to figure this out!

LOL

jmonroe1 · April 2021

graphicguy said:
Mike....same drivetrain in my Stinger....just returned from FL, Gulf Coast. I was driving mainly interstate with 10% in town driving once I got into the city. Filled up when I got home yesterday. Averaged 30 MPG, which given I was set pretty steady at 80-85 MPH where traffic allowed, seems good given the drivetrain’s power and torque.

I’ve got 16K miles on my Stinger, now. That’s the best MPG I’ve ever achieved.

Give your G some time. Seems it gets better with the more miles you’ll put on it.

How can you have the same drivetrain in your Stinger as @Mike has in his ‘almost a Bentley’. I’ll bet the engine shroud on @Mike’s car doesn’t say Kia.

jmonroe

jipster · April 2021

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
Tomorrow afternoon, I am scheduled for a colonoscopy. At least I can catch up on all the posts while “throning” every few hours. 🤪😜
Good luck Mike....I feel for you. Wish they could make that liquid taste like a fine wine, beer or at least a chocolate milkshake. The good news is once it is done you will have 5 years before another one....and you can get all the latest late breaking posts while on the throne.

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.

I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.

ronsteve · April 2021

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.

Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.

Michaell · April 2021

Since I don't drink hard liquor, what's the difference between whisky and bourbon? Just the distilling process?

tjc78 · April 2021

drhkulkarni said:

stickguy said:
Depends on how they gave you the number. If it does, then Tesla offer might still be better. I would just break it down on a quick spreadsheet to see if the tax credit makes that the best option.
The other hidden cost here is that I would use 30K out of my bank to buy out the Volvo, and then would take a loan of only 20K on the Tesla, whereas if I sold to carvana, I would take a loan on the 50K. With rates at around 1.5-1.7% APR, it may be worth taking full loan...

IMO I’d take the higher offer from Carvana/Carmax/Vroom etc. Its the easiest option. They will cut you a check for the equity, payoff Volvo and you walk away.

Then it’s up to you whether you put 30K down or finance the entire car. I’d put $5000 or so down and finance the rest with as low as rates are.

driver100 · April 2021

@jipster @ronsteve Thanks guys.....today isn't a total write off, I learned something.

ronsteve · April 2021

Michaell said:
Since I don't drink hard liquor, what's the difference between whisky and bourbon? Just the distilling process?

Bottom Line: All bourbon is whisk(e)y, but not all whiskey is bourbon.

Bourbon has to conform to a specific mash bill (51-79% corn, malted barley, and either wheat or rye), be aged in charred virgin oak barrels, and meet specific barrel proof thresholds (which I forget what they are).
Some Scotch and Irish whisk(e)ys are aged in used bourbon barrels, but NEVER the other way around.

Jack Daniels is a touchy subject, because when it comes out of the barrel it's filtered through maple, but other than that it's also technically a bourbon.

snakeweasel · April 2021

driver100 said:
I think what I was trying to say was if a guy owns a bmw, especially a bmw convertible, and IF he was looking at motorcycles - probably a very small percentage of car owners - he would probably be more prone to check out a bmw motorcycle.
It's still a long shot but might target the advertising to the right person.

Well my point is is that BMW in motorcycling doesn't carry the same weight as it does in automotive. Due to that there isn't a lot of crossing over between the two.

carnaught · April 2021

@drhkulkarni, I totally agree with what @stickguy said. I did just that with getting out of a lease early, years ago, and I haven’t regretted it at all. That said, by pulling the trigger soon, Congress may not have acted on restoring tax credits for Tesla’s which they are talking about doing. You would presumably still save sales tax with a trade-in vs. the tax of the whole cost of the car.

snakeweasel · April 2021

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
Tomorrow afternoon, I am scheduled for a colonoscopy. At least I can catch up on all the posts while “throning” every few hours. 🤪😜
Good luck Mike....I feel for you. Wish they could make that liquid taste like a fine wine, beer or at least a chocolate milkshake. The good news is once it is done you will have 5 years before another one....and you can get all the latest late breaking posts while on the throne.

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.

Well there is a lot produced in Tennessee that's not included in that figure because they call it Tennessee whiskey even though Tennessee whiskey is legally defined as a straight bourbon whiskey made in Tennessee.

snakeweasel · April 2021

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
Tomorrow afternoon, I am scheduled for a colonoscopy. At least I can catch up on all the posts while “throning” every few hours. 🤪😜
Good luck Mike....I feel for you. Wish they could make that liquid taste like a fine wine, beer or at least a chocolate milkshake. The good news is once it is done you will have 5 years before another one....and you can get all the latest late breaking posts while on the throne.

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.

No, bourbon can be made anywhere in the U.S. and can legally be called bourbon.

imidazol97 · April 2021

@abacomike
Last spring I had the faster prep that doesn't require drinking as much liquid. It's
a polypropylene based liquid, a plastic in solution I guess. I may have the wrong name
for the plastic, but it worked. Less to drink.

They told me to come back in 3 years. The last time they said 5 years and last spring
was my 5th year. I'm not sure why it was shortened unless it's to keep me under that
80-year old figure. Nothing bad was found, but I did have some polyps.
I hope you "come out clean" (no puns intended) on the results of your colonoscopy.
Good news will be worth the awful effort.

There's always the colonoscopy in a box that is heavily advertised here on the Judgy
Judy show hours. My wife had to have that. You take a specimen, send it in,
and they analyze it for DNA. Positives and
negatives that are false are fairly high. If you get a positive then you have to have
the real thing.

If the nurses put on a CD in the scope room and tell you the doctor wants the Mexican
fast music because he likes to dance while he's doing the colonoscopy, get up and leave.
LOL. I went to sleep with this picture of the doctors and the assistants dancing while
probing my innards. He retired before I had my next one. Great guy actually. Sense
of humor.

imidazol97 · April 2021

Once again, the changes to the forum this time haven't resulted in users having trouble
logging on or things not working. Remember all the problemaitc changes from many
years ago.

It's just the gray color used for the font or the choice
of fonts that's not good.

abacomike · April 2021

imidazol97 said:
@abacomike
Last spring I had the faster prep that doesn't require drinking as much liquid. It's
a polypropylene based liquid, a plastic in solution I guess. I may have the wrong name
for the plastic, but it worked. Less to drink.

They told me to come back in 3 years. The last time they said 5 years and last spring
was my 5th year. I'm not sure why it was shortened unless it's to keep me under that
80-year old figure. Nothing bad was found, but I did have some polyps.
I hope you "come out clean" (no puns intended) on the results of your colonoscopy.
Good news will be worth the awful effort.

There's always the colonoscopy in a box that is heavily advertised here on the Judgy
Judy show hours. My wife had to have that. You take a specimen, send it in,
and they analyze it for DNA. Positives and
negatives that are false are fairly high. If you get a positive then you have to have
the real thing.

If the nurses put on a CD in the scope room and tell you the doctor wants the Mexican
fast music because he likes to dance while he's doing the colonoscopy, get up and leave.
LOL. I went to sleep with this picture of the doctors and the assistants dancing while
probing my innards. He retired before I had my next one. Great guy actually. Sense
of humor.

I am on the fast prep as you called it. I took 2 tablets at noon. Then at 5:00 PM, I mix Miralax in a half gallon of Crystal Lite lemonade and drink the entire mixture. Tomorrow morning at 7:00 AM I take half a bottle of this clear liquid with an 8 oz glass of water and prepare for the final assault, so to speak. They want me at the outpatient wing of the hospital at 1:00 PM and the procedure is scheduled for 3:00 PM. The nurse told me I would be under anesthesia for 20-25 minutes. They use propofol which is fast acting.

stickguy · April 2021

I hate a late slot. Better IMO to be first since you don’t get a good nights sleep anyway.

snakeweasel · April 2021

imidazol97 said:
@abacomike
Last spring I had the faster prep that doesn't require drinking as much liquid. It's
a polypropylene based liquid, a plastic in solution I guess. I may have the wrong name
for the plastic, but it worked. Less to drink.

They told me to come back in 3 years. The last time they said 5 years and last spring
was my 5th year. I'm not sure why it was shortened unless it's to keep me under that
80-year old figure. Nothing bad was found, but I did have some polyps.
I hope you "come out clean" (no puns intended) on the results of your colonoscopy.
Good news will be worth the awful effort.

There's always the colonoscopy in a box that is heavily advertised here on the Judgy
Judy show hours. My wife had to have that. You take a specimen, send it in,
and they analyze it for DNA. Positives and
negatives that are false are fairly high. If you get a positive then you have to have
the real thing.

If the nurses put on a CD in the scope room and tell you the doctor wants the Mexican
fast music because he likes to dance while he's doing the colonoscopy, get up and leave.
LOL. I went to sleep with this picture of the doctors and the assistants dancing while
probing my innards. He retired before I had my next one. Great guy actually. Sense
of humor.

Since they found polyps then they have you come back in three years, no polyps then it's five years.

jipster · April 2021

ronsteve said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.
Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.

Thanks for the correction. I took a tour of the Angels Envy Bourbon Distillery , here in Louisville, before the covid outbreak, so I "mismembered" that fact. I am not a Bourbon or whiskey drinker, Mrs. Jip does the hard liquor drinking in the family.

But one other factoid from the tour, "All bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon."

kyfdx · April 2021

drhkulkarni said:

stickguy said:
Depends on how they gave you the number. If it does, then Tesla offer might still be better. I would just break it down on a quick spreadsheet to see if the tax credit makes that the best option.
The other hidden cost here is that I would use 30K out of my bank to buy out the Volvo, and then would take a loan of only 20K on the Tesla, whereas if I sold to carvana, I would take a loan on the 50K. With rates at around 1.5-1.7% APR, it may be worth taking full loan...

If you sell the Volvo, make sure you they are actually buying the car, and not turning it back into VCFS on your behalf. If you have a better deal from Carvana, and don't have to worry about timing, I'd jump on that in a minute.

It's also possible that you have a purchase option fee on your lease, if you decide to buy it out.

driver100 · April 2021

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.
Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.
Thanks for the correction. I took a tour of the Angels Envy Bourbon Distillery , here in Louisville, before the covid outbreak, so I "mismembered" that fact. I am not a Bourbon or whiskey drinker, Mrs. Jip does the hard liquor drinking in the family. But one other factoid from the tour, "All bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon."

Never touch the stuff myself!

driver100 · April 2021

Only here can you have a discussion about trading in a Volvo for a Tesla, the difference between whiskey and bourbon, and prepping for a colonoscopy - all on one page.

snakeweasel · April 2021

driver100 said:
Only here can you have a discussion about trading in a Volvo for a Tesla, the difference between whiskey and bourbon, and prepping for a colonoscopy - all on one page.

Not only that but you managed to get them all in one post. Congrats.

oldfarmer50 · April 2021

I got troubles in river city.

I took the Mustang out to the supermarket today. I parked out by myself to avoid mishaps but to no avail. I came out and noticed something funny on the driver’s door. Sure enough I find a ding on the crease which popped the metal out below. Imagine my outrage that this would happen the first time out of storage.

Well, it turns out this didn’t happen at the market. My son confessed he had some friends over in his basement man-cave and one of the girls tipped over the recliner backwards and landed on the car door.

$800 at my go-to guy.

abacomike · April 2021

driver100 said:

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.
Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.
Thanks for the correction. I took a tour of the Angels Envy Bourbon Distillery , here in Louisville, before the covid outbreak, so I "mismembered" that fact. I am not a Bourbon or whiskey drinker, Mrs. Jip does the hard liquor drinking in the family. But one other factoid from the tour, "All bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon."
Never touch the stuff myself!

Please don’t tell us what you do touch - spare us! 🤪😜🤓

abacomike · April 2021

oldfarmer50 said:
I got troubles in river city.

I took the Mustang out to the supermarket today. I parked out by myself to avoid mishaps but to no avail. I came out and noticed something funny on the driver’s door. Sure enough I find a ding on the crease which popped the metal out below. Imagine my outrage that this would happen the first time out of storage.

Well, it turns out this didn’t happen at the market. My son confessed he had some friends over in his basement man-cave and one of the girls tipped over the recliner backwards and landed on the car door.

$800 at my go-to guy.

Ouch! It sure took a long time for him to fess up, but at least he finally came clean.

driver100 · April 2021

oldfarmer50 said:
I got troubles in river city.

I took the Mustang out to the supermarket today. I parked out by myself to avoid mishaps but to no avail. I came out and noticed something funny on the driver’s door. Sure enough I find a ding on the crease which popped the metal out below. Imagine my outrage that this would happen the first time out of storage.

Well, it turns out this didn’t happen at the market. My son confessed he had some friends over in his basement man-cave and one of the girls tipped over the recliner backwards and landed on the car door.

$800 at my go-to guy.

Ouch! That hurts.....does it come out of your son's allowance? Hope the girl doesn't sue over the unsafe recliner.
Then there is the time....and sometimes they have to keep it overnight if paint is involved, oh man, I feel for you and Mike tonight.

driver100 · April 2021

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.
Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.
Thanks for the correction. I took a tour of the Angels Envy Bourbon Distillery , here in Louisville, before the covid outbreak, so I "mismembered" that fact. I am not a Bourbon or whiskey drinker, Mrs. Jip does the hard liquor drinking in the family. But one other factoid from the tour, "All bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon."
Never touch the stuff myself!
Please don’t tell us what you do touch - spare us! 🤪😜🤓

OK, I'll spare you, but about the only thing I drink is the cheapest alcoholic drink you can buy (not because it is cheap, but because that's all I prefer).

explorerx4 · April 2021

@oldfarmer50,
Get a quote from a paintless dent removal place.

jmonroe1 · April 2021

driver100 said:
Only here can you have a discussion about trading in a Volvo for a Tesla, the difference between whiskey and bourbon, and prepping for a colonoscopy - all on one page.

Yep, and have interest with all three.

jmonroe

abacomike · April 2021

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.
Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.
Thanks for the correction. I took a tour of the Angels Envy Bourbon Distillery , here in Louisville, before the covid outbreak, so I "mismembered" that fact. I am not a Bourbon or whiskey drinker, Mrs. Jip does the hard liquor drinking in the family. But one other factoid from the tour, "All bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon."
Never touch the stuff myself!
Please don’t tell us what you do touch - spare us! 🤪😜🤓
OK, I'll spare you, but about the only thing I drink is the cheapest alcoholic drink you can buy (not because it is cheap, but because that's all I prefer).

I wasn’t talking about alcohol. 🤪😜

jmonroe1 · April 2021

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.
Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.
Thanks for the correction. I took a tour of the Angels Envy Bourbon Distillery , here in Louisville, before the covid outbreak, so I "mismembered" that fact. I am not a Bourbon or whiskey drinker, Mrs. Jip does the hard liquor drinking in the family. But one other factoid from the tour, "All bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon."
Never touch the stuff myself!
Please don’t tell us what you do touch - spare us! 🤪😜🤓
OK, I'll spare you, but about the only thing I drink is the cheapest alcoholic drink you can buy (not because it is cheap, but because that's all I prefer).
I wasn’t talking about alcohol. 🤪😜

Have you noticed, he always thinks he knows what you’re talking about. First sign of a guy who buys cheap booze and luxo cars.

jmonroe

tjc78 · April 2021

I

oldfarmer50 said:
I got troubles in river city.

I took the Mustang out to the supermarket today. I parked out by myself to avoid mishaps but to no avail. I came out and noticed something funny on the driver’s door. Sure enough I find a ding on the crease which popped the metal out below. Imagine my outrage that this would happen the first time out of storage.

Well, it turns out this didn’t happen at the market. My son confessed he had some friends over in his basement man-cave and one of the girls tipped over the recliner backwards and landed on the car door.

$800 at my go-to guy.

My kind of party...

+1 check out paint dent removal. If you can’t find one, call a local car dealer and ask who they use.

Sandman6472 · April 2021

Yep, it's the grey font which is making things difficult to read. Think if they use a lighter, brighter font, that could solve the issue. Better late than never because this grey font really isn't working! At least not for me.

driver100 · April 2021

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:
Only here can you have a discussion about trading in a Volvo for a Tesla, the difference between whiskey and bourbon, and prepping for a colonoscopy - all on one page.
Yep, and have interest with all three.

jmonroe

....or none of the 3.

driver100 · April 2021

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

ronsteve said:

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

What’s wrong with bourbon?

jmonroe
Speaking of which, here is my question;
Why is approximately 95% of all bourbon produced in Kentucky, according to the Kentucky Distillers' Association.(2018)? Doesn't anyone else know how to make it.
I remember it had something to do with our delicious water. Here you go.
"The water in Kentucky is hard — meaning, it has a high pH and a high proportion of minerals, including calcium and magnesium. These elements are optimal for distilling. The yeast in bourbon adores those minerals. They aid the fermentation process and create the distinctive, crisp Kentucky bourbon we know and love.Jul 17"

So, unless it's made in Kentucky, legally it can't be called bourbon.
Actually, it just has to be made in the United States. The "ideal" water here in KY is why 95% of it is made in Kentucky.
It does have to be made in Kentucky to be "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" of course.
Thanks for the correction. I took a tour of the Angels Envy Bourbon Distillery , here in Louisville, before the covid outbreak, so I "mismembered" that fact. I am not a Bourbon or whiskey drinker, Mrs. Jip does the hard liquor drinking in the family. But one other factoid from the tour, "All bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon."
Never touch the stuff myself!
Please don’t tell us what you do touch - spare us! 🤪😜🤓
OK, I'll spare you, but about the only thing I drink is the cheapest alcoholic drink you can buy (not because it is cheap, but because that's all I prefer).
I wasn’t talking about alcohol. 🤪😜

In that case, yes you are right....my lips are sealed.

driver100 · April 2021

oldfarmer50 said:
I got troubles in river city.
I took the Mustang out to the supermarket today. I parked out by myself to avoid mishaps but to no avail. I came out and noticed something funny on the driver’s door. Sure enough I find a ding on the crease which popped the metal out below. Imagine my outrage that this would happen the first time out of storage.
$800 at my go-to guy.

Some have mentioned paintless dent removal. That can work, but it doesn't work in some situations. One is when they can't get inside behind the dent at times. Another problem can be when the dent is on a crease.

I hope it can work in your case OF...........just don't want you to get your hopes up. I have seen it work once out of 3 times, the other two times they couldn't do it, because of the position and once it was on a crease.

snakeweasel · April 2021

Please ignore just testing something.

oldfarmer50 · April 2021

explorerx4 said:
@oldfarmer50,
Get a quote from a paintless dent removal place.

My guy is going to do that but the way the metal is creased he’ll have to do additional work and do paint and blend. I could go cheaper but I told him to go all OCD.

It’s actually not that noticeable except at a certain angle and I’d probably just go PDR with any of my other cars.

oldfarmer50 · April 2021

tjc78 said:
I
oldfarmer50 said:
I got troubles in river city.

I took the Mustang out to the supermarket today. I parked out by myself to avoid mishaps but to no avail. I came out and noticed something funny on the driver’s door. Sure enough I find a ding on the crease which popped the metal out below. Imagine my outrage that this would happen the first time out of storage.

Well, it turns out this didn’t happen at the market. My son confessed he had some friends over in his basement man-cave and one of the girls tipped over the recliner backwards and landed on the car door.

$800 at my go-to guy.
My kind of party...

+1 check out paint dent removal. If you can’t find one, call a local car dealer and ask who they use.

My guy will do everything from just pass inspection quality up to concours. I’ve had him do both and been satisfied.

oldfarmer50 · April 2021

Sandman6472 said:
Yep, it's the grey font which is making things difficult to read. Think if they use a lighter, brighter font, that could solve the issue. Better late than never because this grey font really isn't working! At least not for me.

It was probably developed by the same guy who came up with printing the unreadable car tags on Enterprise keys. That guy got a bonus for saving ink too.

omarman · April 2021

Using windows 10 desktop running firefox 87.0.

Open firefox menu, click Options. Scroll down to Language and Appearance, look under Fonts and Colors, click the Colors button on lower right side. A pop up menu offers a change of colors rectangle box for both text and background.

After choosing colors for each I clicked on the Aways override button at the bottom of the menu.

After combining color changes and the + Zoom option from the main menu things are a bit easier on the eyes.

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