Real-World Trade-In Values

qbrozen · October 2021

@Beenniizz said:
Sound strong, but I want to see if they will buy it straight from the dealer like Carmax offered. that will save me the purchase fees etc.

Yes, they will.
Is this financed or leased?

I can’t find the model you state. I can choose TRD Pro or a Limited, not both. And is this 4wd? V8? What color and what state?

Beenniizz · October 2021

qbrozen said:

@Beenniizz said:

Sound strong, but I want to see if they will buy it straight from the dealer like Carmax offered. that will save me the purchase fees etc.

Yes, they will.

Is this financed or leased?

I can’t find the model you state. I can choose TRD Pro or a Limited, not both. And is this 4wd? V8? What color and what state?

Limited with TRD package. not Pro. 4WD, v8, white on black interior. Nevada, 89128.

qbrozen · October 2021

Any current needs or damage or any past damage?

If “no” to all the above, the numbers seem surprisingly light. $46k is right there at auction value. I would expect similar vehicles to be advertised in the $50k-$52k range. So you could be competitive at $48995.

But, as mentioned above, if your state has trade-in tax credit, you’d be better off going that route and asking them to match Vroom’s offer.

explorerx4 · October 2021

Nevada offers a tax credit when you trade in a vehicle. Multiply the trade-in allowance (the amount you are getting for the trade) by the appropriate sales-tax rate. If you are receiving $5000 for your trade-in vehicle, and your sales-tax rate is 7.5 percent, you would multiply 5000 by .075.

tjc78 · October 2021

What purchase fees? Any dealer (Vroom, etc) just has to pay the loan off or cut you a check if you own it.

Beenniizz · October 2021

tjc78 said:
What purchase fees? Any dealer (Vroom, etc) just has to pay the loan off or cut you a check if you own it.

I checked with Vroom, they are not purchasing leasing cars, only loans.
So I think I will take Carmax offer (43K) and will cut a check of $5,500.

28firefighter · October 2021

Hey Q, just for S&Gs can you give me an idea of what 2021 Tesla M3 SR+'s are doing at manheim? Seattle Metro (zip 98101 if you need one). Assume premium paint (e.g. blue) and sport wheels.

Thanks!

qbrozen · October 2021

28firefighter said:
Hey Q, just for S&Gs can you give me an idea of what 2021 Tesla M3 SR+'s are doing at manheim? Seattle Metro (zip 98101 if you need one). Assume premium paint (e.g. blue) and sport wheels.

Thanks!

mid $48ks on average.

jpp75 · October 2021

28firefighter said:
Hey Q, just for S&Gs can you give me an idea of what 2021 Tesla M3 SR+'s are doing at manheim? Seattle Metro (zip 98101 if you need one). Assume premium paint (e.g. blue) and sport wheels.

Thanks!

As another reference point when I traded my 2020 Model3 Long Range AWD in early July the Land Rover dealer gave me $44k for it and then listed it for $53,900. It was gone within a week so I assume they got close to that for it.

It had the blue paint, white interior and sport wheels. I think MSRP was $50,900 or thereabout.

stickguy · October 2021

Just curious for a reality check, but what’s reasonable these days on something like this?

2014 BMW 328i. X drive. AT, loaded (premium pack, cold weather, camera and park sensors, Navi, luxury line trim). Looks very clean. Even has weather tech liners so somebody spoiled it!

White over brown leather, 46k miles.

kyfdx · October 2021

stickguy said:
Just curious for a reality check, but what’s reasonable these days on something like this?

2014 BMW 328i. X drive. AT, loaded (premium pack, cold weather, camera and park sensors, Navi, luxury line trim). Looks very clean. Even has weather tech liners so somebody spoiled it!

White over brown leather, 46k miles.

Really low miles for a 2014

stickguy · October 2021

I know. One reason it interested me.

qbrozen · October 2021

stickguy said:
Just curious for a reality check, but what’s reasonable these days on something like this?

2014 BMW 328i. X drive. AT, loaded (premium pack, cold weather, camera and park sensors, Navi, luxury line trim). Looks very clean. Even has weather tech liners so somebody spoiled it!

White over brown leather, 46k miles.

Only one comp, unfortunately, and it was black in Dallas. Sold for $19,400. Next one was 59k miles, also black in Dallas, @ $14k. Big discrepancy for 13k miles. Then we had one at $16k w/61k. So, let's throw out the $14k and average out the other two. $18k seems like a safe number. Purchase for about $21k, give or take a nickel.

stickguy · October 2021

So listed at $19,444 at a reputable used car dealer isn’t a bad deal it seems. With those miles, and putting on maybe 3-5k/year tops, should last a long time.

28firefighter · October 2021

One thing to be weary of - those early 2012-2014 328s had some issues with timing chain guides that can be pricey to fix.

stickguy · October 2021

It’s a BMW. Isn’t everything?

roadburner · October 2021

stickguy said:
It’s a BMW. Isn’t everything?

If you know a good indie shop or dealer and have a CCA membership it's not bad at all. The running costs for my wife's X1 with the same engine have averaged $312/year. It would be even less if I didn't get the coolant and brake fluid changed more often than BMW recommends. There was a TSB for the early N20 timing chains. It might well have already been replaced on that car. BMW also extended the timing chain warranty to 7-year 70K miles.

28firefighter · October 2021

roadburner said:

stickguy said:
It’s a BMW. Isn’t everything?
If you know a good indie shop or dealer and have a CCA membership it's not bad at all. The running costs for my wife's X1 with the same engine have averaged $312/year. It would be even less if I didn't get the coolant and brake fluid changed more often than BMW recommends. There was a TSB for the early N20 timing chains. It might well have already been replaced on that car. BMW also extended the timing chain warranty to 7-year 70K miles.

Excellent call - totally forgot that BMW extended the warranty on those.

stickguy · October 2021

Smashing. There is a top notch bmw Indy shop about 2 miles from me too.

andres3 · October 2021

2015 S4 prestige misano red with magma red & black interior leather with less than 44K miles in clean shape with a broken motor in San Diego?

qbrozen · October 2021

andres3 said:
2015 S4 prestige misano red with magma red & black interior leather with less than 44K miles in clean shape with a broken motor in San Diego?

2 miles on new engine? ;b

Unfortunately, data is scarce. Looking at PP models, they are roughly $30k-$31k. I'm not seeing enough evidence to indicate Prestige should be any more. I mean, somehow, a red one in decent condition with only 26k miles got $28.4k in VA 3 weeks ago. But 6 weeks prior to that, a gray one in poor condition got the same price. Wacky.

corvette · October 2021

Not to put words in his mouth, but he may be asking what it's worth without the new engine.

Michaell · October 2021

corvette said:
Not to put words in his mouth, but he may be asking what it's worth without the new engine.

I'd take the wholesale cost and deduct the cost of the engine.

qbrozen · October 2021

so odd, I read "broken mirror."
Ah well. yeah... I can't really give you a value. I think you said something like $15k for the engine replacement. But that's a lot of hassle for someone to go through, too. I think you may be lucky to get $15k for the car as is.

stickguy · October 2021

If wholesale on. A similar car is 15, and you can only get 15 for it as is, putting the new motor in seems like a good deal. Keep your nice pristine car that will be hard to replicate, and get zero mile engine with a warranty.

kyfdx · October 2021

stickguy said:
If wholesale on. A similar car is 15, and you can only get 15 for it as is, putting the new motor in seems like a good deal. Keep your nice pristine car that will be hard to replicate, and get zero mile engine with a warranty.

I wouldn't pay $15K for a $30K car that needed $15K of work.

I'll guess the value is under $10K as it sits. The only smart thing to do it fix it.

stickguy · October 2021

At that value, definitely.

andres3 · October 2021

qbrozen said:

andres3 said:
2015 S4 prestige misano red with magma red & black interior leather with less than 44K miles in clean shape with a broken motor in San Diego?
2 miles on new engine? ;b

Unfortunately, data is scarce. Looking at PP models, they are roughly $30k-$31k. I'm not seeing enough evidence to indicate Prestige should be any more. I mean, somehow, a red one in decent condition with only 26k miles got $28.4k in VA 3 weeks ago. But 6 weeks prior to that, a gray one in poor condition got the same price. Wacky.

Looking at S4 prices and the amount they paid in an S4 owners forum they are wacky and all over the place.

jmonroe1 · October 2021

qbrozen said:
so odd, I read "broken mirror."
Ah well. yeah... I can't really give you a value. I think you said something like $15k for the engine replacement. But that's a lot of hassle for someone to go through, too. I think you may be lucky to get $15k for the car as is.

“Broken mirror” ? To the best of my knowledge Mrs. j didn’t whack that one.

jmonroe

Sandman6472 · October 2021

Road, I just had the brake fluid changed for a second time at just over 68K but have yet to do the coolant in my VW Golf. Since it's staying in the fleet for the time being, is this something I should look into? I did have the water pump/thermostat replaced under warranty at 35,960 miles back in 2017 as I recall, where I'm assuming they put new coolant in, and we had to replace it in our A3 recently due to a coolant leak recently.
Since I've already done it once on the Golf, is it necessary at almost 69K? Do I just have my mechanic swap it out and move on? Just trying to stop any potential problems in the near future.

stickguy · October 2021

if your coolant is only 4 years/30,000 miles old it should be fine for a while. I would not change that now.

Sandman6472 · October 2021

Figured as much but just wanted to be sure. At this point, I just want to put no more $ into either vehicle for a long while!

roadburner · October 2021

Sandman6472 said:
Road, I just had the brake fluid changed for a second time at just over 68K but have yet to do the coolant in my VW Golf. Since it's staying in the fleet for the time being, is this something I should look into? I did have the water pump/thermostat replaced under warranty at 35,960 miles back in 2017 as I recall, where I'm assuming they put new coolant in, and we had to replace it in our A3 recently due to a coolant leak recently.
Since I've already done it once on the Golf, is it necessary at almost 69K? Do I just have my mechanic swap it out and move on? Just trying to stop any potential problems in the near future.

I never go longer than 4 years on coolant; I normally change it out at 2-3 years- but as you know, I'm OCD about maintenance.

sda · October 2021

roadburner said:

Sandman6472 said:
Road, I just had the brake fluid changed for a second time at just over 68K but have yet to do the coolant in my VW Golf. Since it's staying in the fleet for the time being, is this something I should look into? I did have the water pump/thermostat replaced under warranty at 35,960 miles back in 2017 as I recall, where I'm assuming they put new coolant in, and we had to replace it in our A3 recently due to a coolant leak recently.
Since I've already done it once on the Golf, is it necessary at almost 69K? Do I just have my mechanic swap it out and move on? Just trying to stop any potential problems in the near future.
I never go longer than 4 years on coolant; I normally change it out at 2-3 years- but as you know, I'm OCD about maintenance.

And that’s why you experience minimal issues. I am a strong believer of preventive maintenance.

jmonroe1 · October 2021

roadburner said:

Sandman6472 said:
Road, I just had the brake fluid changed for a second time at just over 68K but have yet to do the coolant in my VW Golf. Since it's staying in the fleet for the time being, is this something I should look into? I did have the water pump/thermostat replaced under warranty at 35,960 miles back in 2017 as I recall, where I'm assuming they put new coolant in, and we had to replace it in our A3 recently due to a coolant leak recently.
Since I've already done it once on the Golf, is it necessary at almost 69K? Do I just have my mechanic swap it out and move on? Just trying to stop any potential problems in the near future.
I never go longer than 4 years on coolant; I normally change it out at 2-3 years- but as you know, I'm OCD about maintenance.

The way I look at preventative maintenance is if you’re willing to save a buck today and spend many more tomorrow, then yeah, save a buck today.

jmonroe

Sandman6472 · October 2021

I'll have to look at when VW changed it out but think it happened in 2017 or so. Next time I stop by mechanic's place, I'll ask him to take a look and do what he recommends. Car has been driving nicely as of late with no issues to speak of. But if I'm putting 40 miles/week on it, I'm lucky. Live very close to both part time gigs and we usually take the A3 if we go anywhere together.
But, think it might be almost time to replace the coolant and move on from there.

stickguy · October 2021

up to you for peace of mind, but the VW maintenance schedule doesn't call for it.

roadburner · October 2021

stickguy said:
up to you for peace of mind, but the VW maintenance schedule doesn't call for it.

BMW doesn't call for a coolant change either, but they did before they started to offer free maintenance.

corvette · October 2021

It seems like Toyota has waffled over the years. I think their current recommendation is that a lot of the secondary fluids (transmission, transfer case, diff) get changed every 30k.

28firefighter · October 2021

No more than 3 years on coolant and no more than 2 years on brake fluid here, regardless of mileage.

cdnpinhead · October 2021

roadburner said:
BMW doesn't call for a coolant change either, but they did before they started to offer free maintenance.

Remember when there was a drain plug, a level/fill plug on the transmission (yeah, I know, a manual). And weirder still, the rear end (back when they were in the rear) had drain and fill/level ports.

I may as well be speaking Swahili to most on here, but thought I'd throw this in.

28firefighter · October 2021

@cdnpinhead said:
Remember when there was a drain plug, a level/fill plug on the transmission (yeah, I know, a manual). And weirder still, the rear end (back when they were in the rear) had drain and fill/level ports.

I may as well be speaking Swahili to most on here, but thought I'd throw this in.

The good old days.

kyfdx · October 2021

cdnpinhead said:

roadburner said:
BMW doesn't call for a coolant change either, but they did before they started to offer free maintenance.
Remember when there was a drain plug, a level/fill plug on the transmission (yeah, I know, a manual). And weirder still, the rear end (back when they were in the rear) had drain and fill/level ports.

I may as well be speaking Swahili to most on here, but thought I'd throw this in.

When I wanted the rear differential serviced, my mechanic had to buy a special tool from the Snap-On driver. Nothing he had would fit in the hole. And, this was on an '06 model.

stickguy · October 2021

Diffs must still have fill plugs. Did they get rid of the drain so you have to vacuum it out?

My Acura wants rear differential at 15k then every 30. I do the trans at every 30. Coolant, I think it’s 5 years and if not I’d do it by then anyway.

xwesx · October 2021

Wait, how did we get on maintenance in the RWTIV thread?

For what it's worth, every single car I've had, including the 2014 Audi Q7, have used a standard 1/2" driver plug for the differentials (rear for sure, often all). The only possible exceptions are the Subarus, wherein the front/center differential plug is a T70 Torx.

What has become rather obnoxious in modern times is changing out transmission fluid.

kyfdx · October 2021

stickguy said:
Diffs must still have fill plugs. Did they get rid of the drain so you have to vacuum it out?

My Acura wants rear differential at 15k then every 30. I do the trans at every 30. Coolant, I think it’s 5 years and if not I’d do it by then anyway.

Yeah, no drain.

stickguy · October 2021

so either suck it out the top with a straw, or crack the case and make a mess! I assume the shop does it with a vacuum pump.

kyfdx · October 2021

stickguy said:
so either suck it out the top with a straw, or crack the case and make a mess! I assume the shop does it with a vacuum pump.

It was the size of the hole that was an issue. It was a special “straw” that was needed for that model.

jmonroe1 · October 2021

kyfdx said:

cdnpinhead said:

roadburner said:
BMW doesn't call for a coolant change either, but they did before they started to offer free maintenance.
Remember when there was a drain plug, a level/fill plug on the transmission (yeah, I know, a manual). And weirder still, the rear end (back when they were in the rear) had drain and fill/level ports.

I may as well be speaking Swahili to most on here, but thought I'd throw this in.

When I wanted the rear differential serviced, my mechanic had to buy a special tool from the Snap-On driver. Nothing he had would fit in the hole. And, this was on an '06 model.

1906 ?

jmonroe

magnumek · October 2021

Hi. I am looking to buy a secondary SUV car. I found a 2012 Porsche Cayenne S Sport V8 with Convenience Package and few nice options such as Navi, Lane Assist, Memory Heated Seats, Bose soudsystem, Rearview camera, BiXenon lights. It has 67k miles. The seller offered to sell it for $21500. It is worth that price? Would I be able to sell it for over $20k in a year or two?

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