Reached out on an Elantra N. “MSRP + $1097 in accessories.”
What are the accessories on a car that hasn’t even hit the lot? pulse (that ridiculous 3rd brake light flash thing) and some all weather package.
Hyundai is gonna Hyundai…
What I particularly hate about Pulse is the fact that some low-level "technician" hacked into the wiring harness to install it, most likely using 3M Scotchlok connectors.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 2020 C43 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
@roadburner said:
What I particularly hate about Pulse is the fact that some low-level "technician" hacked into the wiring harness to install it, most likely using 3M Scotchlok connectors.
This is exactly my issue.
2022 Tesla Model Y Performance, 2018 BMW M240i Convertible, 2015 Audi Q5 TDI
I met up with @breld this morning for breakfast and got a chance to drive the X5. The Phytonic blue looks even better in person, the vehicle wears it well. The interior is incredibly luxurious and well done. We had a lot of discussions on what you get for the price, this is definitely an example of getting a lot for your money.
The powertrain is very smooth, no pure EV like acceleration but certainly more than adequate for around town in EV only mode. A very impressive vehicle, and I've already called dibs on it when he sells.
@jpp75 said:
I met up with @breld this morning for breakfast and got a chance to drive the X5. The Phytonic blue looks even better in person, the vehicle wears it well. The interior is incredibly luxurious and well done. We had a lot of discussions on what you get for the price, this is definitely an example of getting a lot for your money.
The powertrain is very smooth, no pure EV like acceleration but certainly more than adequate for around town in EV only mode. A very impressive vehicle, and I've already called dibs on it when he sells.
You’ll be enjoying it by St Patty’s day
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
good luck. at least it is going toward something substantial!
conveniently I got the confirmation statement that my pension has been processed. So that arrives for the first time 1 day after FMC takes a chunk of our bank account. A net positive.
Therein lies the problem, I'm enjoying the Defender too much to get rid of it. So unless @breld holds onto this one for at least the better part of a year I may not be ready when it becomes available.
Therein lies the problem, I'm enjoying the Defender too much to get rid of it. So unless @breld holds onto this one for at least the better part of a year I may not be ready when it becomes available.
Well, if it does come up, just remind yourself the brand you now own and let the rational side of your brain take over.
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
unearthed the Maverick for the first time in a week (I was sick last weekend and early part of this week). Actually got up to 113 miles on it in only 15 days! And it had about 35 when I got home from the dealer.
anyway, continues to impress as we get used to it. I even had to maneuver it around a mall parking lot and get in and out of a tight spot. Not a big hassle, but I could definitely say I would not really want a truck from a bigger size class for doing that on a regular basis.
Truck loafs along on the highway. Barely notice you are moving at 70-75. and the heater seems like it could easily handle an Expedition.
Regarding heater performance, I observed that in the late 1990s-early 2000s, a lot of manufacturers set up their HVAC to receive only a trickle of warm coolant (or none at all) until the engine was almost fully warmed up, the thinking being that you wanted as much coolant as possible to recirculate in the engine to get it warmed up and improve MPGs. It also seems like they have figured out some sort of workaround on a lot of newer vehicles so that they provide cabin heat more quickly.
Regarding heater performance, I observed that in the late 1990s-early 2000s, a lot of manufacturers set up their HVAC to receive only a trickle of warm coolant (or none at all) until the engine was almost fully warmed up, the thinking being that you wanted as much coolant as possible to recirculate in the engine to get it warmed up and improve MPGs. It also seems like they have figured out some sort of workaround on a lot of newer vehicles so that they provide cabin heat more quickly.
I think that it could be that smaller engines (less mass) warm up faster. My 5.0 V8 Genny takes a good bit longer to heat up compared to Mrs. j’s 3.6 Legacy 6 cylinder.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Regarding heater performance, I observed that in the late 1990s-early 2000s, a lot of manufacturers set up their HVAC to receive only a trickle of warm coolant (or none at all) until the engine was almost fully warmed up, the thinking being that you wanted as much coolant as possible to recirculate in the engine to get it warmed up and improve MPGs. It also seems like they have figured out some sort of workaround on a lot of newer vehicles so that they provide cabin heat more quickly.
For some reason my E24 M6 would put out heat almost immediately, which I thought was unusual considering that the S38 was literally a detuned racing engine.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 2020 C43 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Not gonna happen. I was offered a low trade in and meager discount or MSRP on new.
* * * Boo!
That happened to me one time at a dealer that I had bought multiple cars from. It may have been their first pencil, but it was the last pencil for me. I have never bought another car from them.
The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
Not gonna happen. I was offered a low trade in and meager discount or MSRP on new.
* * * Boo!
That happened to me one time at a dealer that I had bought multiple cars from. It may have been their first pencil, but it was the last pencil for me. I have never bought another car from them.
Probably for the best. Every time I get a BMW, I piss and moan that the dealer is 45 minutes away and the service sucks. Once they returned a car with hail damage and just left hoping that I would not notice...
The WR Blue looks better in person than the pics. Very happy with the choice.
Yes, straight MSRP plus a $799 doc fee, so it is a little “marked up” when accounting for that, and then the $375 shipping. So kind of like paying $775 over, but that’s still $2225 less than the 2nd best offer I had.
First time driving this generation. The clutch is very odd. It starts to grab early but there is a big transition from where it starts grabbing to where it finishes. So, for the first few attempts, and when trying to shift fast, you feel it engaging and then let off, at which point it bucks violently. Takes some work to keep the foot lifting slowly after that initial bite. It continues in this manner through the first 3 gears. The handling is FANTASTIC. My wife says the feel from the passenger side reminds her of the 135 I had.
As for the Benz… well, it is not completely out of the woods. TPMS still not functioning and now yesterday the CEL came back on. Lean condition in bank 1. SIGH. I think there is a good chance his patching of the intake manifold is not as strong as he hoped. I texted him when it happened, but no answer yet. It runs great. Just those pesky warning lights.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.
Can anyone remember when cars had that crude heat riser on the manifold to get warm air faster but would wear out and rattle?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I believe you're talking about the thermostatic units that were on the exhaust manifolds that closed partly when the car was cold and forced air through the intake manifold under the carburetor to warm up the air and improve the evaporation of the gasoline going into the warm manifold and the cylinders?
Or the thermostatic vanes that were on the air intake for the air going into the carburetor. They closed and much of the air being sucked in was from a space over the exhaust manifold. The exhaust manifolds heated up in a few seconds after the car started, so the carb got warmer air and better fuel evaporation quicker.
The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.
Can anyone remember when cars had that crude heat riser on the manifold to get warm air faster but would wear out and rattle?
The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.
Can anyone remember when cars had that crude heat riser on the manifold to get warm air faster but would wear out and rattle?
Yes! My 76 Sunbird V6 heat riser would rattle or make a ratcheting sound after every shift or on/off the throttle. A so- called mechanic I took it to disconnected it somehow and only made it worse. Cold weather drive-ability went from fair to poor. In temps above 50 it was fine. As a college student with limited funds I left it alone.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
I believe you're talking about the thermostatic units that were on the exhaust manifolds that closed partly when the car was cold and forced air through the intake manifold under the carburetor to warm up the air and improve the evaporation of the gasoline going into the warm manifold and the cylinders?
Or the thermostatic vanes that were on the air intake for the air going into the carburetor. They closed and much of the air being sucked in was from a space over the exhaust manifold. The exhaust manifolds heated up in a few seconds after the car started, so the carb got warmer air and better fuel evaporation quicker.
The intake on my van had the input line running from a bracket that mounted on the exhaust pipe, just where it connected to the manifold. While I'm sure the extra heat helped the fuel/air mix in the carburetor, the restrictive air flow didn't do the vehicle any favors any other time!
Perhaps sadly, I kept it in its original setup until two summers ago, when my son and I were doing some tune-up work on it while he was first learning to drive. I ended up pulling that whole air cleaner off the vehicle and putting a high-flow system on it that must have boosted the power of the engine by around 50%. I dare say that old beast even has a little spunk now. It might be grumpy if I tried to start it in sub-freezing temperatures, but that probably hasn't happened in two decades (or more) at this point, so I'm not too worried about it.
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250
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Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 2020 C43 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Omg. Another dealer is asking $8000 over list. Holy moly.
This is exactly my issue.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 2020 C43 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Yeah only full EV is untaxed
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Driver is attempting to pick up and deliver my WRX tonight.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Nice!
The powertrain is very smooth, no pure EV like acceleration but certainly more than adequate for around town in EV only mode. A very impressive vehicle, and I've already called dibs on it when he sells.
You’ll be enjoying it by St Patty’s day
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
Not gonna happen. I was offered a low trade in and meager discount or MSRP on new.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
On Thursday I wired the rest our our house down payment, about the same as 4 nicely equipped Mavericks.
conveniently I got the confirmation statement that my pension has been processed. So that arrives for the first time 1 day after FMC takes a chunk of our bank account. A net positive.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
You’ll be enjoying it by St Patty’s day
Therein lies the problem, I'm enjoying the Defender too much to get rid of it. So unless @breld holds onto this one for at least the better part of a year I may not be ready when it becomes available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdwtR-wCa7M
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
I can guarantee that.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Still doesn't, actually.
anyway, continues to impress as we get used to it. I even had to maneuver it around a mall parking lot and get in and out of a tight spot. Not a big hassle, but I could definitely say I would not really want a truck from a bigger size class for doing that on a regular basis.
Truck loafs along on the highway. Barely notice you are moving at 70-75. and the heater seems like it could easily handle an Expedition.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Well, I’ll guarantee used cars stay used throughout 2022.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The ghost of John Madden would be proud of all of you.
2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
jmonroe
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 2020 C43 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Not gonna happen. I was offered a low trade in and meager discount or MSRP on new.
* * *
Boo!
That happened to me one time at a dealer that I had bought multiple cars from. It may have been their first pencil, but it was the last pencil for me. I have never bought another car from them.
2020 Ascent Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
The manufacturers want the engines to heat up as fast as possible since they run cleaner at operating temperature. The heater operating faster is just a benefit of that.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
Boo!
That happened to me one time at a dealer that I had bought multiple cars from. It may have been their first pencil, but it was the last pencil for me. I have never bought another car from them.
Probably for the best. Every time I get a BMW, I piss and moan that the dealer is 45 minutes away and the service sucks. Once they returned a car with hail damage and just left hoping that I would not notice...
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
@qbrozen - congrats! Looks great! Enjoy!
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
@qbrozen - congratulations. Looks good.
This was a purchase at MSRP IIRC? Not much mark up on Subies IIRC
Looks sharp! Congrats
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
What’s your anticipated costs for this one, @qbrozen?
Thank you.
The WR Blue looks better in person than the pics. Very happy with the choice.
Yes, straight MSRP plus a $799 doc fee, so it is a little “marked up” when accounting for that, and then the $375 shipping. So kind of like paying $775 over, but that’s still $2225 less than the 2nd best offer I had.
First time driving this generation. The clutch is very odd. It starts to grab early but there is a big transition from where it starts grabbing to where it finishes. So, for the first few attempts, and when trying to shift fast, you feel it engaging and then let off, at which point it bucks violently. Takes some work to keep the foot lifting slowly after that initial bite. It continues in this manner through the first 3 gears. The handling is FANTASTIC. My wife says the feel from the passenger side reminds her of the 135 I had.
As for the Benz… well, it is not completely out of the woods. TPMS still not functioning and now yesterday the CEL came back on. Lean condition in bank 1. SIGH. I think there is a good chance his patching of the intake manifold is not as strong as he hoped. I texted him when it happened, but no answer yet. It runs great. Just those pesky warning lights.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Or the thermostatic vanes that were on the air intake for the air going into the carburetor. They closed and much of the air being sucked in was from a space over the exhaust manifold. The exhaust manifolds heated up in a few seconds after the car started, so the carb got warmer air and better fuel evaporation quicker.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Still looks good. Good luck with it.
jmonroe
Congrats!
- Ray
Many blue cars here recently...
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
jmonroe
The intake on my van had the input line running from a bracket that mounted on the exhaust pipe, just where it connected to the manifold. While I'm sure the extra heat helped the fuel/air mix in the carburetor, the restrictive air flow didn't do the vehicle any favors any other time!
Perhaps sadly, I kept it in its original setup until two summers ago, when my son and I were doing some tune-up work on it while he was first learning to drive. I ended up pulling that whole air cleaner off the vehicle and putting a high-flow system on it that must have boosted the power of the engine by around 50%. I dare say that old beast even has a little spunk now. It might be grumpy if I tried to start it in sub-freezing temperatures, but that probably hasn't happened in two decades (or more) at this point, so I'm not too worried about it.