Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

That way the stink from the blow up kayak will be further back and less noticeable

explorerx4 · February 2022

@breld,
After you pick up the Bronco, please go over to Cars & Conversations and let everyone know how you like the Ceramic coating.

au1994 · February 2022

Nice Bronco @breld!

Would you go ahead and pick up a Grand Wagoneer? I’d love to know what one of those suckers is like in real life.

oldfarmer50 · February 2022

“ It’s really great you do the rescue work, @stickguy. My wife is starting to look for another pup to rescue and we had an application interview with one of the rescues today. Man, I’ve had job interviews and state background checks that were less thorough than this”

I can understand wanting to be careful in placing pets with suitable owners but sometimes those rescue personnel take it too far. Our last cat was a rescue which my wife and son went to get. As you said, it was like a rough job interview and in the end they were rejected because we wouldn’t agree to never let the cat out of the house. That was a pretty stupid condition since on the farm everybody has to earn their keep and a cat is more effective at rodent control than poison. My son was very upset that he didn’t get the cat and the owner follow him out into the parking lot and handed the critter to him since she thought the rescue group was unreasonable too.

On our current cat the shelter was having a free giveaway, all shots and neutering paid for. The process was basically “here you go” and we walked out with a pet.

oldfarmer50 · February 2022

breld said:
So…we just put a deposit on this Bronco, located at a small town dealership in Michigan.

We have an order in (no deposit) at a local dealer for a 2 door manual in this same color. But you know, I enjoy searching anyway, so have been looking online every evening just in case something came up. Most listings aren’t actually available, and anything that is on the lot and available has a markup anywhere from $10k on the low end up to as much as $30k.

This one was advertised with a $2,500 markup, so I made an online inquiry last night and the salesperson called me promptly this morning saying it was available.

$30k markup? Boy, I could use a few new friends who had that kind of money.

oldfarmer50 · February 2022

au1994 said:
Nice Bronco @breld!

Would you go ahead and pick up a Grand Wagoneer? I’d love to know what one of those suckers is like in real life.

Pretty much like a Chevy Suburban. Big.

qbrozen · February 2022

breld said:
So…we just put a deposit on this Bronco, located at a small town dealership in Michigan.

We have an order in (no deposit) at a local dealer for a 2 door manual in this same color. But you know, I enjoy searching anyway, so have been looking online every evening just in case something came up. Most listings aren’t actually available, and anything that is on the lot and available has a markup anywhere from $10k on the low end up to as much as $30k.

This one was advertised with a $2,500 markup, so I made an online inquiry last night and the salesperson called me promptly this morning saying it was available.

Not surprising folks in Michigan are avoiding a soft top. Will you ship it?

A friend of mine has one on order but he is having doubts since, when I had access, I showed him Manheim numbers weren't much above MSRP plus tax.

roadburner · February 2022

oldfarmer50 said:
“ It’s really great you do the rescue work, @stickguy. My wife is starting to look for another pup to rescue and we had an application interview with one of the rescues today. Man, I’ve had job interviews and state background checks that were less thorough than this”

I can understand wanting to be careful in placing pets with suitable owners but sometimes those rescue personnel take it too far. Our last cat was a rescue which my wife and son went to get. As you said, it was like a rough job interview and in the end they were rejected because we wouldn’t agree to never let the cat out of the house. That was a pretty stupid condition since on the farm everybody has to earn their keep and a cat is more effective at rodent control than poison. My son was very upset that he didn’t get the cat and the owner follow him out into the parking lot and handed the critter to him since she thought the rescue group was unreasonable too.

On our current cat the shelter was having a free giveaway, all shots and neutering paid for. The process was basically “here you go” and we walked out with a pet.

We tried to adopt a dog from the Shamrock Society; we actually had to give references. We were rejected because we didn't have a fenced in yard- never mind that we lived in the middle of a large farm and wooded area. Since then we've adopted two dogs from the local Humane Society- no issues at all. All of our cats and three of our previous dogs were strays that either showed up at the house or were hanging around my office.

ab348 · February 2022

What role did Bosch play in Dieselgate?

kyfdx · February 2022

ab348 said:
What role did Bosch play in Dieselgate?

It's their software

henryn · February 2022

I was actually rejected by one specific breed rescue because I wouldn't promise to walk the dog twice a day. I explained that I had a fenced back yard, and a dog door in my house so that my dogs had access to the back yard 24/7, but that wasn't good enough for them. Go figure.

28firefighter · February 2022

The interview was not that strict, though we haven't been approved yet either - but they did want to make sure we had a fenced yard, that we weren't going to be upset if we found out the dog was of a particular breed (she's a mutt, for sure but if one was so inclined to do a doggy DNA test you might find out something you don't like), that we were longtime dog owners, etc. If I had to boil it down, I'd say it came down to "are you really going to take care of this being and give her a forever home no matter what" and the questions were designed to suss that out without asking it directly.

@breld - so effectively you're paying a $3k premium + shipping to get now vs. waiting?

henryn · February 2022

ab348 said:
What role did Bosch play in Dieselgate?

That was an interesting story in and of itself. Bosch wrote the software which allowed VW to get past the US smog tests. If the car were driving at a steady speed (I seem to recall 60 mph), then the software knew it was being tested on a dynamometer and switched into "compliance mode" or "low emissions mode". The rest of the time it worked in higher performance / higher fuel milage mode, and emitted a lot more emissions.

Bosch tried to claim they wrote the cheating software only for "testing" purposes, but I don't think anyone outside of their corporate offices ever believed that story.

oldfarmer50 · February 2022

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:
“ It’s really great you do the rescue work, @stickguy. My wife is starting to look for another pup to rescue and we had an application interview with one of the rescues today. Man, I’ve had job interviews and state background checks that were less thorough than this”

I can understand wanting to be careful in placing pets with suitable owners but sometimes those rescue personnel take it too far. Our last cat was a rescue which my wife and son went to get. As you said, it was like a rough job interview and in the end they were rejected because we wouldn’t agree to never let the cat out of the house. That was a pretty stupid condition since on the farm everybody has to earn their keep and a cat is more effective at rodent control than poison. My son was very upset that he didn’t get the cat and the owner follow him out into the parking lot and handed the critter to him since she thought the rescue group was unreasonable too.

On our current cat the shelter was having a free giveaway, all shots and neutering paid for. The process was basically “here you go” and we walked out with a pet.
We tried to adopt a dog from the Shamrock Society; we actually had to give references. We were rejected because we didn't have a fenced in yard- never mind that we lived in the middle of a large farm and wooded area. Since then we've adopted two dogs from the local Humane Society- no issues at all. All of our cats and three of our previous dogs were strays that either showed up at the house or were hanging around my office.

Maybe the strays could give you a good reference.

rayainsw · February 2022

Son-In-Law's mom just brought home a Bronco.
Big Bend.
4DR.
Blue.
All I know so far.
- Ray
They live 1,200 miles from my "Winter home"...

corvette · February 2022

@henryn - thanks for the helpful suggestions. It’s an “old school” design with a single panel on the bottom to access the two RAM slots, a PCI-e connector, and a 2.5” SATA slot. I’ve already been in once to upgrade the factory HDD to an SSD. I may experiment with running the 4K monitor at a lower resolution, if it doesn’t cause picture quality to suffer too much. It is nice to be able to pull up four nearly “full size” windows at once.

corvette · February 2022

No second Bosch check for me, and I think they shorted me on the first one with no reason given, so I’m definitely not expecting anything else from that.

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

BMW m240 in thunder night metallic. I’m not sure of the combo with red interior?

stickguy · February 2022

I love both colors. Just not together.

au1994 · February 2022

Thats one where I would prefer a black interior. Diggin’ the purple though!

qbrozen · February 2022

I thought you were showing us a Plum Crazy Dodge at first.

Still at the top of my wishlist.

jmonroe1 · February 2022

tjc78 said:

@28firefighter said:
@tjc78 It will end up being an effective $150 a month after tax for the 28 months they had it. Not so terrible.

Wow….couldn’t lease a Chevy Spark for that payment.

I agree but I would pay twice that to walk rather than drive a Chevy Spark.

jmonroe

au1994 · February 2022

This is yummy…

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2016-bmw-328i-xdrive-sports-wagon-m-sport-5/

oldfarmer50 · February 2022

mjfloyd1 said:
BMW m240 in thunder night metallic. I’m not sure of the combo with red interior?

Yikes! Are they trying to cut in on the Hellcat market?

jmonroe1 · February 2022

dad23 said:

tifighter said:
@breld You never disappoint...
...or amaze!!!

My brain has shut down saving all his car data. Just as well, I was getting frequent head aches.

jmonroe

henryn · February 2022

corvette said:
@henryn - thanks for the helpful suggestions. It’s an “old school” design with a single panel on the bottom to access the two RAM slots, a PCI-e connector, and a 2.5” SATA slot. I’ve already been in once to upgrade the factory HDD to an SSD. I may experiment with running the 4K monitor at a lower resolution, if it doesn’t cause picture quality to suffer too much. It is nice to be able to pull up four nearly “full size” windows at once.

If you're running 3840x2160 at 60 hz, you would be better off leaving the resolution at 3840x2160 and dropping the refresh rate to 30 hz. If you're already at 30 hz as that is the best your computer can manage, well ... I don't think you will like the results when you lower the resolution. The only way to know is to try it and see what you think.

Congrats on having an old school design that's easy to get into. I think the manufacturers quit building them that way as it cost an extra 50 cents per computer, and most end users are never going to know the difference.

corvette · February 2022

That 328xi has a replacement engine with only 46k miles and a dirty Carfax x 3. I'm sure it will still go for an insane price.

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

@oldfarmer50 said:
Yikes! Are they trying to cut in on the Hellcat market?

Even more interesting with red brake calipers

tjc78 · February 2022

I’m surprised BMW built that car with that combination.

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

It was ordered like that by a customer

roadburner · February 2022

Having seen a new M240i in person I'm underwhelmed by the styling; I heard several people say it looked better in person, but not me. Still, a Thundernight RWD M240i with the proper options wouldn't be terrible- although the car doesn't give me a "gotta have it!" vibe.

qbrozen · February 2022

I don’t think any current BMW gives me that vibe. I think it rather serendipitous that BMW and Toyota work together these days since Lexus has been called the Japanese BMW and now BMW has become the German Toyota.

Michaell · February 2022

Be unique at your next Radwood gathering

breld · February 2022

stickguy said:
I thought you wanted the 2 door size, not the jumbo? Though I guess for a few weeks it really won’t matter.

I think the 4 door is too big and ungainly in the bronco, but the 2 door looks great.

Yes, the 2 door was our preference, but also fine with the 4 door.

We won’t rush to cancel the order on the 2 door - can’t imagine it’d be hard to swap if that’s what we still want.

And I do believe even the 4 door Bronco is shorter than your Maverick. Has a lot of presence, but it’s only a few inches longer than our M340i.

breld · February 2022

qbrozen said:

breld said:
So…we just put a deposit on this Bronco, located at a small town dealership in Michigan.

We have an order in (no deposit) at a local dealer for a 2 door manual in this same color. But you know, I enjoy searching anyway, so have been looking online every evening just in case something came up. Most listings aren’t actually available, and anything that is on the lot and available has a markup anywhere from $10k on the low end up to as much as $30k.

This one was advertised with a $2,500 markup, so I made an online inquiry last night and the salesperson called me promptly this morning saying it was available.

Not surprising folks in Michigan are avoiding a soft top. Will you ship it?

A friend of mine has one on order but he is having doubts since, when I had access, I showed him Manheim numbers weren't much above MSRP plus tax.

Haven’t made the final decision on flying out and roadtripping it back, or just shipping it. We were talking a lot about a fun roadtrip, but I think we’re now leaning toward going the simple path and shipping it. I went through Shiply and received several quotes, with the lowest being $1,200. Any recommendations on a shipping company?

I’m surprised Manheim isn’t much more than MSRP, given the crazy asking prices. But for one, asking ain’t gettin’, and two, the auction results may be more conservative and realistic versus the dealerships shooting for the sky.

Either way, I hope and assume it’ll maintain its value just fine…just not a money making flip. We’ve gotten so spoiled with this market!

breld · February 2022

28firefighter said:

@breld - so effectively you're paying a $3k premium + shipping to get now vs. waiting?

$2,500 premium + shipping, but yeah, basically.

stickguy · February 2022

Michaell said:
Be unique at your next Radwood gathering

that is a true time capsule. I like it. Very fond of all the compact manual sports coupes from that era.

stickguy · February 2022

Bronco is just a car that to me feels way bigger than it might be on paper. Some combo of having to climb up into it, and the overly large and tall hood. And width (and window size and shape of the doors can exaggerate that).

I also found that overall length is not as big a deal (within reason, as long as it fits in the garage!) as are proportions. Our odyssey was long (201" I think) but the hood was short and front visibility was great, so it drove like a small car if you weren't backing up. Maverick is largely the same. Feels a lot shorter.

but cars where they are long and tall hood (so more car in front than behind) drive much bigger to me.

if that makes sense!

breld · February 2022

Yeah, definitely makes sense and I don’t disagree.

28firefighter · February 2022

Who has dibsies on the bronco?

Also, does this have you rethinking the Santa Cruz?

tifighter · February 2022

Oh geez, I forgot about the Santa Cruz…

tjc78 · February 2022

@stickguy said:
that is a true time capsule. I like it. Very fond of all the compact manual sports coupes from that era.

That thing is loaded too.

qbrozen · February 2022

@breld said:
Haven’t made the final decision on flying out and roadtripping it back, or just shipping it. We were talking a lot about a fun roadtrip, but I think we’re now leaning toward going the simple path and shipping it. I went through Shiply and received several quotes, with the lowest being $1,200. Any recommendations on a shipping company?

I’m surprised Manheim isn’t much more than MSRP, given the crazy asking prices. But for one, asking ain’t gettin’, and two, the auction results may be more conservative and realistic versus the dealerships shooting for the sky.

Either way, I hope and assume it’ll maintain its value just fine…just not a money making flip. We’ve gotten so spoiled with this market!

Did she at least drive a Wrangler?

au1994 · February 2022

corvette said:
That 328xi has a replacement engine with only 46k miles and a dirty Carfax x 3. I'm sure it will still go for an insane price.

I agree. Its a ‘build’ at this point and a nice one. Somebody with too much time and money, thats for sure.

nyccarguy · February 2022

qbrozen said:

@breld said:

Haven’t made the final decision on flying out and roadtripping it back, or just shipping it. We were talking a lot about a fun roadtrip, but I think we’re now leaning toward going the simple path and shipping it. I went through Shiply and received several quotes, with the lowest being $1,200. Any recommendations on a shipping company?

I’m surprised Manheim isn’t much more than MSRP, given the crazy asking prices. But for one, asking ain’t gettin’, and two, the auction results may be more conservative and realistic versus the dealerships shooting for the sky.

Either way, I hope and assume it’ll maintain its value just fine…just not a money making flip. We’ve gotten so spoiled with this market!

Did she at least drive a Wrangler?

She'll do that AFTER they buy the Bronco & have it shipped to them in CO, decide she loves the Jeep, then after driving the Jeep she will realize how much she misses the Mini, find and excellently optioned base model with a stick that she loves to buy, then notice how she needs the extra guts of the Mini S, & get one of those. In between, @breld will get a new GTI with the DSG (because they won't buy another VW product with a manual transmission), take his wife's Mini out for a spin, reminisce about how much he misses having a manual transmission car, and buy a new Integra.

stickguy · February 2022

I say they fly out to drive it home. Stop for lunch and there is A Jeep dealer next door. Pop in and trade the bronco for a wrangler to finish the drive home in.

graphicguy · February 2022

mjfloyd1 said:
BMW m240 in thunder night metallic. I’m not sure of the combo with red interior?

It has red interior. What’s not to like?

tjc78 · February 2022

Hey guys. Either my Google action is poor or the information is just not out there.

Does anyone know how Volvo handles the $7500 on their recharge models? Is it like the 4XE deals or would I have to do it on my taxes?

I assume they are eligible as it is a very similar system to the 4XE

roadburner · February 2022

graphicguy said:

mjfloyd1 said:
BMW m240 in thunder night metallic. I’m not sure of the combo with red interior?

It has red interior. What’s not to like?

Agreed!

qbrozen · February 2022

tjc78 said:
Hey guys. Either my Google action is poor or the information is just not out there.

Does anyone know how Volvo handles the $7500 on their recharge models? Is it like the 4XE deals or would I have to do it on my taxes?

I assume they are eligible as it is a very similar system to the 4XE

The 4xe deals are on a lease and CCAP passes it on as a customer incentive. You can't claim an EV/PHEV lease on your taxes since you aren't the owner. When you check RV/MF with the Edmunds hosts, they'll let you know if there is any incentive being passed along.

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