Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy · February 2022

tjc78 said:
Hey guys. Either my Google action is poor or the information is just not out there.

Does anyone know how Volvo handles the $7500 on their recharge models? Is it like the 4XE deals or would I have to do it on my taxes?

I assume they are eligible as it is a very similar system to the 4XE

I thought on a lease you couldn’t take it on your taxes? Only a purchase? And the leasing company got it on a lease. Chrysler financial just happens to pass it through but does not have to.

tjc78 · February 2022

Thanks Q and Stick .. I should have realized I can’t claim that on a lease.

I’ll check in on the lease boards.

breld · February 2022

@qbrozen said:

@breld said:
Haven’t made the final decision on flying out and roadtripping it back, or just shipping it. We were talking a lot about a fun roadtrip, but I think we’re now leaning toward going the simple path and shipping it. I went through Shiply and received several quotes, with the lowest being $1,200. Any recommendations on a shipping company?

I’m surprised Manheim isn’t much more than MSRP, given the crazy asking prices. But for one, asking ain’t gettin’, and two, the auction results may be more conservative and realistic versus the dealerships shooting for the sky.

Either way, I hope and assume it’ll maintain its value just fine…just not a money making flip. We’ve gotten so spoiled with this market!

Did she at least drive a Wrangler?

Hold on there…she hasn’t even driven the Bronco!

Michaell · February 2022

tjc78 said:
Hey guys. Either my Google action is poor or the information is just not out there.

Does anyone know how Volvo handles the $7500 on their recharge models? Is it like the 4XE deals or would I have to do it on my taxes?

I assume they are eligible as it is a very similar system to the 4XE

None of the recharge models have lease incentives in your region.

As q noted, you don’t get the tax credit as you aren’t the owner of the vehicle. And Volvo is electing not to pass through any of the incentives, unlike CCAP on the 4xe.

Michaell · February 2022

Michaell said:

tjc78 said:
Hey guys. Either my Google action is poor or the information is just not out there.

Does anyone know how Volvo handles the $7500 on their recharge models? Is it like the 4XE deals or would I have to do it on my taxes?

I assume they are eligible as it is a very similar system to the 4XE

None of the recharge models have lease incentives in your region.

As q noted, you don’t get the tax credit as you aren’t the owner of the vehicle. And Volvo is electing not to pass through any of the incentives, unlike CCAP on the 4xe.

However, Audi does on the Q5E, A7E and the e-tron. The full $7500.

tjc78 · February 2022

Thank you. I had just posted over in the lease thread too.

Well… that rules out any possibly of a decent lease on one of those!

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

@graphicguy said:
It has red interior. What’s not to like?

Open your eyes, man

kyfdx · February 2022

tjc78 said:
Thank you. I had just posted over in the lease thread too.

Well… that rules out any possibly of a decent lease on one of those!

Unlike some of the models that pass through the $7500, the Volvo maintains a pretty normal residual.

qbrozen · February 2022

breld said:

Hold on there…she hasn’t even driven the Bronco!

How I just now pictured your wife. lol.

Sandman6472 · February 2022

Had green liquid under the Audi this weekend. Mechanic had the car from Tuesday morning till yesterday afternoon and couldn't find the leak! Crazy as that sounds, they had it up on their lift and looked all over & nothing, nothing at all. Left my vehicle at home yesterday for the wife to drive, her first time but very similar to hers, but since hers was done before she had to go to Ft. Lauderdale, she left mine at the mechanics parking lot & picked it up after work.
So going forward, we'll just keep an eye on the floor and if the leak starts again, will deal with it then. Gotta a good feeling that by this time next year, if the chip situation is history, the Audi will be gone. Like most wives, she has zero tolerance when issues start to happen. The annoyance factor plays the biggest part as she just wants her vehicle to work when needed...and when it keeps acting up & isn't that reliable anymore, it's days in the stable are numbered. Think we're almost at that point but as I told her, now is just not the time to buy something new. So, we'll just monitor the situation & go from there.

stickguy · February 2022

Hopefully they pressure tested the system. They don’t leak just sitting on the rack!

tjc78 · February 2022

@kyfdx said:
Unlike some of the models that pass through the $7500, the Volvo maintains a pretty normal residual.

Yes especially for a Volvo sedan, but no where near enough to make a lease payment anything resembling attractive

54K MSRP yielding $805 a month with NJ tax

This all started because my local dealer has one in stock equipped just like mine.

qbrozen · February 2022

@tjc78 said:

@kyfdx said:
Unlike some of the models that pass through the $7500, the Volvo maintains a pretty normal residual.

Yes especially for a Volvo sedan, but no where near enough to make a lease payment anything resembling attractive

54K MSRP yielding $805 a month with NJ tax

This all started because my local dealer has one in stock equipped just like mine.

If they quoted you tax on an EV in NJ, you need to find a new dealer.

Sandman6472 · February 2022

New t v will be delivered this afternoon. Ended up with the 55" Sony smart t v which was a bit more than I wanted to spend, but went ahead and ordered it. Best Buy is delivering it for free so we'll set it up this weekend. Think it'll work out great and having the bluetooth option will be wonderful since she works from home 80% of the time. And since my hearing ain't the greatest, being able to use my headphones when necessary, will solve all her issues. And I get a slightly larger screen than I wanted plus, it's a smart t v, so we have more choices in what we watch and can possibly get rid of the expensive cable t v. Think most of the stuff we like can be sen on a streaming service so nice to have that option. Cable t v has gotten just too expensive so lowering our bill a bit is a good thing.
We just did that with our cellular phone bill. The three of us don't use much data as we use wifi most of the time, so we lowered our data plan and got the savings I was looking for. We have AT&T right now & have never gone over our data limit even once. So with the rollover we get monthly, just made sense to try a lesser plan and see how it goes. If we find an issue down the line, we'll just deal with it then. We like our AT&T service and have had no issues with them all these years but, I'd like to change over to Metro PC/T-Mobile for their $25 unlimited data plan. Know a lot of folks who have T-Mobile and like them. Just have to convince my better half to make the move since she prefers AT&T.

au1994 · February 2022

tjc78 said:

@kyfdx said:

Unlike some of the models that pass through the $7500, the Volvo maintains a pretty normal residual.

Yes especially for a Volvo sedan, but no where near enough to make a lease payment anything resembling attractive

54K MSRP yielding $805 a month with NJ tax

This all started because my local dealer has one in stock equipped just like mine.

Thats laughably bad.

tjc78 · February 2022

@qbrozen said:

@tjc78 said:

@kyfdx said:
Unlike some of the models that pass through the $7500, the Volvo maintains a pretty normal residual.

Yes especially for a Volvo sedan, but no where near enough to make a lease payment anything resembling attractive

54K MSRP yielding $805 a month with NJ tax

This all started because my local dealer has one in stock equipped just like mine.

If they quoted you tax on an EV in NJ, you need to find a new dealer.

I’m doing these calculations all myself figuring MSRP as selling price. I thought no sales tax was only on full electrics. This is a plug in hybrid.

qbrozen · February 2022

@tjc78 said:

@qbrozen said:

@tjc78 said:

@kyfdx said:
Unlike some of the models that pass through the $7500, the Volvo maintains a pretty normal residual.

Yes especially for a Volvo sedan, but no where near enough to make a lease payment anything resembling attractive

54K MSRP yielding $805 a month with NJ tax

This all started because my local dealer has one in stock equipped just like mine.

If they quoted you tax on an EV in NJ, you need to find a new dealer.

I’m doing these calculations all myself figuring MSRP as selling price. I thought no sales tax was only on full electrics. This is a plug in hybrid.

Oh. Huh. I haven’t been paying attention to those. Isn’t the xc40 recharge all electric? I think the T8 models were previously PHEV.

kyfdx · February 2022

C40 and XC40 are EVs. The rest of them are PHEV

tjc78 · February 2022

Correct

qbrozen · February 2022

Nothing confusing at all about using the same nomenclature for different drivetrains. Sigh.

qbrozen · February 2022

My first WRX mod. It was bugging me that all trim is black except these badges.

xwesx · February 2022

Sandman6472 said:
Think we're almost at that point but as I told her, now is just not the time to buy something new. So, we'll just monitor the situation & go from there.

It's not a terrible time to buy new if you cap your buy at MSRP, but it *is* a terrible time to buy used.

xwesx · February 2022

qbrozen said:
My first WRX mod. It was bugging me that all trim is black except these badges.

Nice. And subtle!

british_rover · February 2022

@qbrozen said:
Nothing confusing at all about using the same nomenclature for different drivetrains. Sigh.

T8 recharge or T6 Recharge would be PHEV.

P8 recharge full electric

B8 or B6 regular/mild hybrid. I don't think they are selling any B models in the US.

Michaell · February 2022

british_rover said:

@qbrozen said:

Nothing confusing at all about using the same nomenclature for different drivetrains. Sigh.

T8 recharge or T6 Recharge would be PHEV.

P8 recharge full electric

B8 or B6 regular/mild hybrid. I don't think they are selling any B models in the US.

They are - XC60 and S60 are either B5 or B6 powertrain. S90 is B6 only.

british_rover · February 2022

Ok yeah they were still debating that when I left and I hadn't kept up on it.

Michaell · February 2022

british_rover said:
Ok yeah they were still debating that when I left and I hadn't kept up on it.

These are the 2022 models.

tjc78 · February 2022

No B6 on S60. They took away the T5 and T6 and left us only with the new B5 powertrain. If you want more power you have to setup to the T8/Recharge.

The S90 is B6 only.

Michaell · February 2022

tjc78 said:
No B6 on S60. They took away the T5 and T6 and left us only with the new B5 powertrain. If you want more power you have to setup to the T8/Recharge.

The S90 is B6 only.

Oop, you are correct.

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

@qbrozen said:
My first WRX mod. It was bugging me that all trim is black except these badges.

Looks good. Getting used to the clutch?

henryn · February 2022

xwesx said:

Sandman6472 said:
Think we're almost at that point but as I told her, now is just not the time to buy something new. So, we'll just monitor the situation & go from there.

It's not a terrible time to buy new if you cap your buy at MSRP, but it *is* a terrible time to buy used.

Well ..... That depends. If you're buying a car that has always sold at close to MSRP, then I would agree with your statement. If you're buying a car (or truck) that 3 years ago could be had at 15 to 20 percent off MSRP, or even more at the end of the model year, then yes, this is a bad time.

But you are 100% correct about buying used, this is an unbelievably bad time. I was reading a news article this morning about the latest inflation numbers, and they mentioned that used cars are up 40% over the past 12 months.

Frickin' unbelievable!

On Edit: I happened to be looking at my house on Zillow earlier today. According to them, my house has appreciated a little over $2.5k in the past 30 days alone. A little basic math, and that is slightly above 1.1% for one month, an annual rate of 13.2%. Insanity. At that rate, I can see why first time home buyers are out of luck these days.

au1994 · February 2022

Michaell said:

british_rover said:

@qbrozen said:

Nothing confusing at all about using the same nomenclature for different drivetrains. Sigh.

T8 recharge or T6 Recharge would be PHEV.

P8 recharge full electric

B8 or B6 regular/mild hybrid. I don't think they are selling any B models in the US.

They are - XC60 and S60 are either B5 or B6 powertrain. S90 is B6 only.

I hope there’s not a test later

Michaell · February 2022

au1994 said:

Michaell said:

british_rover said:

@qbrozen said:

Nothing confusing at all about using the same nomenclature for different drivetrains. Sigh.

T8 recharge or T6 Recharge would be PHEV.

P8 recharge full electric

B8 or B6 regular/mild hybrid. I don't think they are selling any B models in the US.

They are - XC60 and S60 are either B5 or B6 powertrain. S90 is B6 only.

I hope there’s not a test later

Me, either.

I noticed the models changed from T5/T6 to B5/B6, but didn't realize the B stuff is a mild hybrid.

kyfdx · February 2022

Check this out!

qbrozen · February 2022

Michaell said:

british_rover said:

T8 recharge or T6 Recharge would be PHEV.

P8 recharge full electric

B8 or B6 regular/mild hybrid. I don't think they are selling any B models in the US.

They are - XC60 and S60 are either B5 or B6 powertrain. S90 is B6 only.

Except all of that is internal designations (I think). Nothing on their website indicates this to consumers. It all just says "Recharge" for all of them. Pretty annoying, IMHO.

qbrozen · February 2022

mjfloyd1 said:

Looks good. Getting used to the clutch?

Hey, thanks for the reminder! I haven't driven it in like a week. Actually, exactly a week tonight. Because of your comment, I just went out there and made my 2nd mod. I removed the clutch helper spring. Real PITA to get it out. We'll see later if that makes any difference. It is definitely a weird arrangement. It uses a combination of a spring and 2 pivots so the spring works both to engage and disengage the clutch.

kyfdx · February 2022

All of the 4 cylinder Audis are now mild hybrids, as well. Which I didn't know about.

tjc78 · February 2022

Bottom line for Volvo is they took the turbo (T5) and turbo/supercharged (T6) engines and took them to hybrids. Power output is similar with better FE. What I can’t understand is why the did away with the “6” option on the 60 series models. At first thought it may have been to get you to step up to the T8 Recharge but those are extremely thin despite Volvo having more inventory than most.

tjc78 · February 2022

@qbrozen
Nice subtle upgrade. Fits the look of the car much better.

stickguy · February 2022

Fine time yo buy at sticker, as long as you have a nice used low miles car to trade in on it!

au1994 · February 2022

stickguy said:
Fine time yo buy at sticker, as long as you have a nice used low miles car to trade in on it!

This…

andres3 · February 2022

mjfloyd1 said:
It was ordered like that by a customer

Audi wouldn't let me order a Yellow TTS with red interior. They limit the color combinations severely.

andres3 · February 2022

Malachite green metallic with cognac brown leather and black stitch

Speaking of nice color combos... if anyone wants to get me a Valentine's day gift; I'll take a TTRS 2022 Heritage Edition in the above color combo begrudgingly. I don't like the loss of the RS spoiler. That was a dumb choice.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2022-audi-tt-rs-heritage-edition-urquattro/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38463888/2022-audi-tt-rs-heritage-edition-revealed/

corvette · February 2022

@qbrozen but by slapping that badge on, you’ve downgraded from a WRX to a regular AWD Impreza!

qbrozen · February 2022

corvette said:
@qbrozen but by slapping that badge on, you’ve downgraded from a WRX to a regular AWD Impreza!

And proud of it!!

There were badges available with various words and letters. The cheapest WRX ones were double what I paid for AWD. Dumb, but true.

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

@qbrozen said:
Hey, thanks for the reminder! I haven't driven it in like a week. Actually, exactly a week tonight. Because of your comment, I just went out there and made my 2nd mod. I removed the clutch helper spring. Real PITA to get it out. We'll see later if that makes any difference. It is definitely a weird arrangement. It uses a combination of a spring and 2 pivots so the spring works both to engage and disengage the clutch.

I’m here to help, I have the time

au1994 · February 2022

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:

Looks good. Getting used to the clutch?

Hey, thanks for the reminder! I haven't driven it in like a week. Actually, exactly a week tonight. Because of your comment, I just went out there and made my 2nd mod. I removed the clutch helper spring. Real PITA to get it out. We'll see later if that makes any difference. It is definitely a weird arrangement. It uses a combination of a spring and 2 pivots so the spring works both to engage and disengage the clutch.

Shoulda got an automatic

mjfloyd1 · February 2022

Plastidip would have worked on the WRX badge…

qbrozen · February 2022

@au1994 said:
Shoulda got an automatic

Who let this guy in?!?

qbrozen · February 2022

@mjfloyd1 said:
Plastidip would have worked on the WRX badge…

Yup. Well, partly. Would have plastidipped the whole thing and then used model enamel for the lettering. Then carefully cut and reapplied 3m tape. Instead, I paid $14.95 to get them molded in black, letters already painted blue, and 3m tape already mounted.

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