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I think you know the trade offs of noise, space used in trunk when the top is down, security or lack of etc. The origami style hardtops can be pretty pricy if something goes wrong. But even pumps, seals etc can go bad on a soft top depending on age and environment.
Probably should answer the DD or fair weather fun car question first and then play out the pros and cons for each style top.
Worth noting that the new 4 series have reverted back to soft tops.
2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
TT is new, so warranty. And, comes with go-flats and a donut in the trunk! Estoril 4 is CPO, so also warranty; run flats of course. BMW did stick with the hardtops for a while, especially the 3-4 series. So, I'd think it's a sold design and execution.
If a hardtop, I'd prefer a two piece, the three piece is probably exponentially more likely to have an issue. I'm a generally rational person, but for some reason, I just have this image of my soft-top being slashed the first time I leave it unattended.
A mind is a terrible thing.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
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But priced high...maybe by the time I go out to visit my son in the Chicago area in a couple weeks the price will have come down!
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/12edfc7f-9b68-4c15-b0f1-3d5017c424d8/
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Out in the ‘burbs I leave the freedom panels off the Jeep all the time and would leave the top down on BMW’s even with power tops. Going into Atlanta? Well, I try to just not go. 25 shootings in a weekend will do that for you.
2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I don't think depreciation is high on his list of concerns.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
This is CCBA, some people only keep their vehicles for 1000 miles.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I’m sure there are competitors out there that are better, but for ~$45K, it’s an attractive package.
We’ll see if the dealership can….
A). Sell it to me for the agreed MSRP
. Get it to me in any sort of reasonable time frame
C). Even let me know when mine hits their lot without selling it from under me
At some point they’ll be available to buy. So, not too worried. Q….at $55K (which is what the top model goes for), I get your hesitancy. At that price, there are some very attractive alternatives. But, the Sport model, which I ordered, is well below that. Still get the drivetrain that’s in the higher models, and that’s all I care about.
Almost bought the 350Z when it first came out 18 years ago. I remember you and I debating it then. I ended up buying the RX8 instead, which came out at the same time. Fun car. But, it had it’s well documented foibles at the time. Still, came out of my brief ownership of it unscathed.
I’m digging Hoovie’s new Ferrari 599 GTB. You don’t see many exotics painted that purple-ish burgundy color.
That dealer already has a 2023 A91 edition with a manual allocated to them, but it's spoken for, and at a premium over MSRP.
The Nissan Z...I think I'd pull the trigger on that if/when one becomes available to me at MSRP.
And at about $32k, getting into a GR86 would be a pretty easy decision.
Having said all that, I had my ZHP in the shop earlier this week for a couple issues and I was told the mechanic and several customers were drooling over it. That's a much more economical fun car!
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At least, that's what I'm hoping for.
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I thought the VW Eos offered the best of two worlds. Hardtop convertible with an electric moonroof when the top is closed. Too bad its no longer available new. I do understand if the roof malfunctions it is a bear and expensive to repair..if you can find someone competent to do so.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
I would like it to offer a smidgen of (relatively) light weight tossability as I miss that in the calm, cool and collected, yet a bit leviathan, A7. While I spent the first 26 years of my driving life rowing my own boat, that is no longer requisite.
Not sure if I'm hooptie-able, I'd like as much of a set it and forget it experience as possible (and, in my youth, I did change my own oil and at least once replaced plugs. And, have put on a spare or two in my time). But, I'm old, fat and lazy now.
And, dagnabit, practical and frugal. Hence I talk the talk, but only occasionally walk the dog.
I'll update, I have taken the day tomorrow. Debating test drives or going, for the first time, to one of the beaches in the hood here. That's why we moved to a seaside town, right?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
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Very nice, but lots of dings and wear for 18K. It is also strangely equipped. They basically took all the option packages to make an Inscription out of a Momentum… but you don’t get the better seats, rear AC controls, etc.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
At home we virtually never open the windows. Down the shore we love to, only thing is my wife can hear an ant fart and sometimes the noise from the boats coming out of the harbor to the bay wake her up. It’s a shame because the cool breeze off the water is awesome.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
I’m not feeling the Volvo. At that age and mileage, it should have had the paint and the wheel scuff professionally touched up before being put on the site, but that does seem to follow the trend of dealers, who seem not to be doing any cosmetic reconditioning in this market. I’m also not wild about the color.
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23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
Very nice, but lots of dings and wear for 18K. It is also strangely equipped. They basically took all the option packages to make an Inscription out of a Momentum… but you don’t get the better seats, rear AC controls, etc.
Well, "better seats" is up for debate.
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I knew I’d get flack for that comment. The Inscription seats are more comfortable with the padded thigh extensions IMO. I know you’d lose the plaid which is why I’m guessing the car was ordered like it was.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
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2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
I do look forward, very much, to the first real cool front in the fall so that I can open the windows and air out the house. And that is still a long ways off!
Does $60K make your eyes glaze over?
With Porsche, it's very easy to inflate the sticker price with options. Pretty much everything is an option on a Porsche, even things you might find standard on a $25K car.
For $99K I'd have expected more than a Macan S, but then again, look at what costs $30K these days.
What? You don’t like “Old Man’s Gray?
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Sadly, the art of the deal may be gone either indefinitely or forever.
The weather here in the Burgh has been quite cool for the last several days. The overnight low was in the 50’s. I don’t think the AC has kicked on even once today. The temp outside is barely 80. Somebody screwed up that’s for sure.
jmonroe
And because of that your membership in here is teetering. For that matter mine could be too but they can’t afford to lose me.
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