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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,595
    sda said:

    fintail said:

    On the subject of standard equipment in ~1980 Cadillacs and a base MB of the era, I saw this car linked in a group I read now and then and it is a good example.

    This car isn't perfect, but the color does it - appears to be "China Blue", effectively the same color as the fintail. It looks like a clean enough old car, not rusty, etc. Biggest issue for many would be the (lack of) speed - this thing would be borderline dangerous in many modern driving situations. Maybe good for an in-town hobby car.

    In 1982, for your $23K base price, which was probably the same as a nicely optioned Seville Elegante, you got: manual windows, manual seats (but I believe all 123s had vacuum locks). vinyl interior, analog display stereo, and 67 horsepower.

    That does put things in perspective compared to the standard features standard on the Cadillac of the same time frame. That 240 D could be Fintail’s slower little brother.
    Much slower, since it's an automatic. Having driven a 240D stick, one with a slush box boggles my mind.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,264
    My buddy who moved up country inherited his father's 240D after he passed. He tried using it as a daily driver/grocery-getter for a while but eventually gave up and sold it. It was just too much of a slug. It was the fairly common butterscotch or mustard color.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    sda said:

    fintail said:

    On the subject of standard equipment in ~1980 Cadillacs and a base MB of the era, I saw this car linked in a group I read now and then and it is a good example.

    This car isn't perfect, but the color does it - appears to be "China Blue", effectively the same color as the fintail. It looks like a clean enough old car, not rusty, etc. Biggest issue for many would be the (lack of) speed - this thing would be borderline dangerous in many modern driving situations. Maybe good for an in-town hobby car.

    In 1982, for your $23K base price, which was probably the same as a nicely optioned Seville Elegante, you got: manual windows, manual seats (but I believe all 123s had vacuum locks). vinyl interior, analog display stereo, and 67 horsepower.

    That does put things in perspective compared to the standard features standard on the Cadillac of the same time frame. That 240 D could be Fintail’s slower little brother.
    The color combo is virtually identical, light blue on dark blue. I suspect the dash pad is cracked, as for whatever reason, period MB blue dash pads are known to crack - less frequent in other colors, maybe something in the chemical. Fintail also has a couple cracks, but over time I have been able to tune them out (as replacing the pad is big work, the supply of uncracked pads is quite small, and I am not going to put a red one in a blue interior etc).

    A friend of mine had a 240D manual, I think the same year as this car. The fintail could run circles around it. I suspect an automatic 240D has a 0-60 of around 25 seconds, and a 75 mph top speed is probably generous on a downhill run with a tailwind.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    That 240D sold for $8300, maybe a combination of well bought and well-sold. A not-concours car, but not rusty and it looked unmessed with. I suspect a 300D would have brought a bit more, and a wagon more on top of that.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,066
    Speaking of MB wagons, there was a post on the Colorado Cars & Coffee FB page recently. Someone picked up an early '00's E320 wagon, one owner with only 27,000 miles on it.

    Picutre made it look brand new.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,676
    fintail said:

    That 240D sold for $8300, maybe a combination of well bought and well-sold. A not-concours car, but not rusty and it looked unmessed with. I suspect a 300D would have brought a bit more, and a wagon more on top of that.

    Buy an old 240D, or any diesel of the era, that has a good body and interior, then swap a BlueTec into it. Mmmmm..... :D
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,419
    xwesx said:

    fintail said:

    That 240D sold for $8300, maybe a combination of well bought and well-sold. A not-concours car, but not rusty and it looked unmessed with. I suspect a 300D would have brought a bit more, and a wagon more on top of that.

    Buy an old 240D, or any diesel of the era, that has a good body and interior, then swap a BlueTec into it. Mmmmm..... :D
    Cheaper to swap in a crate 350 V-8. :o

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,676
    Well, sure, but then you're just completely missing the point! :(
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    If 'it's more fun to drive a slow car fast' driving a 240D must be amazing!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Michaell said:

    Speaking of MB wagons, there was a post on the Colorado Cars & Coffee FB page recently. Someone picked up an early '00's E320 wagon, one owner with only 27,000 miles on it.

    Picutre made it look brand new.

    210s are underrated. Keep them away from suspension/lower body rust, and they are aging almost as well as older models. I have seen countless soldiering on in the face of neglectful ownership. Something like that will probably last forever in the right hands.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    xwesx said:

    fintail said:

    That 240D sold for $8300, maybe a combination of well bought and well-sold. A not-concours car, but not rusty and it looked unmessed with. I suspect a 300D would have brought a bit more, and a wagon more on top of that.

    Buy an old 240D, or any diesel of the era, that has a good body and interior, then swap a BlueTec into it. Mmmmm..... :D
    Get the powertrain from a late W212 E250 Bluetec (195 hp, 369 lb/ft), in something as light as a 123, it would be reasonably fast and would startle those who don't know. 45 mpg on the highway would be a nice bonus, too. Keep the 240D badging of course (close enough).
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,190
    Michaell said:

    Speaking of MB wagons, there was a post on the Colorado Cars & Coffee FB page recently. Someone picked up an early '00's E320 wagon, one owner with only 27,000 miles on it.

    Picutre made it look brand new.

    Any idea of the price?

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,066
    oldfarmer50 said:

    Michaell said:

    Speaking of MB wagons, there was a post on the Colorado Cars & Coffee FB page recently. Someone picked up an early '00's E320 wagon, one owner with only 27,000 miles on it.

    Picutre made it look brand new.

    Any idea of the price?
    Was not mentioned.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    I'd wager in the 10K range.
    Michaell said:

    oldfarmer50 said:

    Michaell said:

    Speaking of MB wagons, there was a post on the Colorado Cars & Coffee FB page recently. Someone picked up an early '00's E320 wagon, one owner with only 27,000 miles on it.

    Picutre made it look brand new.

    Any idea of the price?
    Was not mentioned.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733

    I have to share this one, especially for @fintail

    It is definitely junkyard fodder, though. https://www.facebook.com/share/8FWQQQuVUb9s1PLP/?mibextid=79PoIi

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328

    Do the world. Favor and crush it. That looks unfixable unless you have unlimited funds and no sense.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,938

    If it wasn’t rusty imagine the sleeper you could make out of that thing.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    qbrozen said:

    I have to share this one, especially for @fintail

    It is definitely junkyard fodder, though. https://www.facebook.com/share/8FWQQQuVUb9s1PLP/?mibextid=79PoIi

    Nothing 50K wouldn't solve, and then you'd have a nice 10K car.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,938

    Insane!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328
    I hope the reserve was off at that price

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Maybe 20K when new?
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,264
    Yes, about that. And in truth they weren't that great when new. Only for the true believers at that auction price. Or a really liquored-up auction attendee. :D

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,938

    It’s insane.

    Buy the nicest of that generation you can find and spend 30K on a modern crate engine, run circles around that thing and pocket 50k.

    Cool truck when new, but I think I’d rather have a first generation Lightning

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    Did that 454 even push 200 hp?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,718
    For some reason 230 HP rings a bell.
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    Beats out the Rav4 hybrid by 11 hp!
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328

    Yeah, but the SS can definitely do a much more impressive burnout. And sounds cooler.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,938

    @stickguy said:
    Yeah, but the SS can definitely do a much more impressive burnout. And sounds cooler.

    Every single thing about that truck is cooler than a RAV4 hybrid.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105

    Well, of course. But engine output sure has come a long way. Put a modern 6.6L in there…

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Makes me think of this:


  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,923
    fintail said:

    Makes me think of this:


    I never see a Tesla carving canyons........
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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,190
    andres3 said:

    fintail said:

    Makes me think of this:


    I never see a Tesla carving canyons........
    That reminds me of when I owned the ‘84 Corvette (205hp) and a kid in a C6 came up along side and made motions as if wanting to race. I laughed.

    Maybe he then went on to challenge Model T Fords.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    andres3 said:

    fintail said:

    Makes me think of this:


    I never see a Tesla carving canyons........
    I am sure plenty of enthusiasts own Teslas, but they don't seem to be made for that kind of fun yeah. Maybe the weight? I'm not carving canyons in my 4300 lb wagon either.

    I appreciate the license plate on the apparent Model S in that comic.

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    Recent article about how hard EVs are on their tires, some Tesla owners in FL getting less than 10k from a set, without 'canyon carving'.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,419
    texases said:

    Recent article about how hard EVs are on their tires, some Tesla owners in FL getting less than 10k from a set, without 'canyon carving'.

    Lots of weight..

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,923
    edited January 2024
    fintail said:

    andres3 said:

    fintail said:

    Makes me think of this:


    I never see a Tesla carving canyons........
    I am sure plenty of enthusiasts own Teslas, but they don't seem to be made for that kind of fun yeah. Maybe the weight? I'm not carving canyons in my 4300 lb wagon either.

    I appreciate the license plate on the apparent Model S in that comic.

    I've only test drove a base model 3 Tesla, but it didn't handle what I would rate as "good." It handled "acceptably." I have seen some Tesla's at the drag strip, and they are annoyingly fast in that environment.
    Need TTRS upgrade.

    *You probably could have some fun carving canyons in that wagon, but at 4,300 pounds, you'd have tire wear too.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Top speed runs might level that dragstrip playing field.

    Wagon is powerful but big and somewhat heavy. AWD might make it bely its size anyway. Fintail might be more fun to carve a canyon if one is into the (relatively) "slow car fast" thing - not insanely powerful, but light, and with enough body roll to make it an experience.
    andres3 said:

    fintail said:

    andres3 said:

    fintail said:

    Makes me think of this:


    I never see a Tesla carving canyons........
    I am sure plenty of enthusiasts own Teslas, but they don't seem to be made for that kind of fun yeah. Maybe the weight? I'm not carving canyons in my 4300 lb wagon either.

    I appreciate the license plate on the apparent Model S in that comic.

    I've only test drove a base model 3 Tesla, but it didn't handle what I would rate as "good." It handled "acceptably." I have seen some Tesla's at the drag strip, and they are annoyingly fast in that environment.
    Need TTRS upgrade.

    *You probably could have some fun carving canyons in that wagon, but at 4,300 pounds, you'd have tire wear too.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    edited February 2024
    This firebird looks OK enough for a first car if the rust issues are just with the brake lines. I have to share because that ANTI-LOCK brake pedal is hilarious. Classic GM

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    Wonder how long it's been sitting in the back yard? Could be a lot of work to get it back on the road, besides the brake lines. And why does the ad say 80k but the photo shows 105k miles? Several red flags.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328

    I bet things you don’t want to be near are living in that car.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    And being a v6 puts a pretty low limit on the amount of time/$$ I'd be willing to spend on it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    That brake pedal reminds me of when GM was badging all of its ABS cars with an "ABS" logo at rear.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    edited February 2024
    texases said:

    Wonder how long it's been sitting in the back yard? Could be a lot of work to get it back on the road, besides the brake lines. And why does the ad say 80k but the photo shows 105k miles? Several red flags.

    And his back yard looks like a parking lot.

    Still I'd say for $2500 it woud probably look decent with a detail. Maybe a father / son project when you refuse to get your kid a trans am
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    More Long Island Shopping

    Crap ton of miles but this 5 looks decent I still think that these are really handsome cars

    These 66 Furies are a little underappreciated IMO. Not big money so might be a good do-it-yourselfer project

    This 70 Mustang looks like it's been stored in a lot The body might be OK and will it start

    Missins spoiler on this Trans Am but decent for under 10k

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328

    IMO that vintage 5 series with the 6 is just about the perfect car. Minus some of the usual BMW foibles you have to deal with on all of them, but once sorted, handsome and fun to drive.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328

    Mustang will be a money pit with a serious ROI deficit. Maybe for a restomod?

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,718
    In a previous ad I saw somewhere, the GTA seller noted an aftermarket spoiler replaced the original because it disintegrated over time.
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    explorerx4 said:

    In a previous ad I saw somewhere, the GTA seller noted an aftermarket spoiler replaced the original because it disintegrated over time.

    The same has been said about many of the parts in that era's Firebirds and Camaros. I wonder what that black panel is covering up under the rear hatch?
  • EfrainCookeEfrainCooke Member Posts: 25
    I am in love with the old Audi 100 Coupé S/GT 1972, it just looks gorgeous even for those years, remodeling it a little bit would be an excellent idea for a new car model from Audi.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    stickguy said:

    IMO that vintage 5 series with the 6 is just about the perfect car. Minus some of the usual BMW foibles you have to deal with on all of them, but once sorted, handsome and fun to drive.

    Agree. Just the right size. Handsome conservative styling. Well crafted. Can have a manual
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