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I don't think they are EL on the A4's.....and the ones on the 02 A4 are similar to the pre 02 A4's.
Well I read that the new A8 will have the Nav plus with color screen (finally) instead of just a verbal and little screen command. Perhaps it'll move down the chain eventually to the A4.
Speaking of which, I was pricing out the 03 A4 the other day and I found out that the rear seat warmers are not an available option anymore on ALL 03 A4 sedans (didn't check the Avants) and even not on the 03 A6 3.0. Apparently they won't be offered unless you buy something at least of a 03 A6 2.7T. I know this wasn't offered either on pre-02 A4's, but c'mon AoA, what are you thinking?
About Chicagoland pricing, since we have 7 Audi dealerships in here, I would highly suggest you visit them and get their pricing. Or even call them up and see if they'd bid for your business either by fax or email. Then compare that to carsdirect.com. I shopped around and I saved quite a bit due to a big variety of pricing among the dealerships.
Billy
Edmunds has some guidelines on pricing on this website.
I agree with you about the rude salesperson. Don't do business with them.
But I'd also urge you to read Mark's recent comments on the A6 board. It definitely sheds a different perspective on the dealership experience and why you may not want to make the initial price of the car your main priority.
And to answer the question you posted on the Avant board, yes, an "order" is included as part of the dealer's allocation. True, some people don't realize that ...it surprised me when my dealer explained it to me.
brian-- No, that's a nice (and very accurate) pic. The illumination appears exactly like my 2001 (but without my beloved voltmeter and oil temp' gauges *gloats*) and definitely doesn't have the electroluminescent effect. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.
As everyone can see, the "white" markings appear much more distinct than the red so you can imagine what it would look like in all red ..."muddled" at best. I think it's a good combination to have the white hash marks. And as I said, they almost appear bluish after you look at them for awhile.
Paul-- Forget what I said about the Jetta's headlights having a "thingie" coming out of the reflector. After looking at one close up yesterday, I realized it's just the support for the center deflector. But I still don't understand why the Jetta's lights look whiter and brighter than anyone else's multi-reflector halogens (?).
--'rocco
Some of these salesman just don't get it, and some seem to get angry when they realize that you have actually researched the purchase. If they give you some line about how they don't negotiate just walk out, there is probably a better deal somewhere else.
And no, all Audi dealers aren't required to provide free service loaners. It seems like most do but it is not a requirement. Audi, the manufacturer, does provide the customer a loaner only if a warranty repair requires the car to be kept overnight.
--'rocco
The reasons and examples are many and I cannot list them all and I will not use up more disk space to attempt to persuade anyone any further -- your circumstances may be different than mine or 'rocco's. Suffice it to say that there are differences in the "buy/sell dance" and the long term ownership experience when dealing with (many) high end autos.
This dealer may be slime for all I know or the next guy might just be interested in moving a volume of cars and will be a nightmare after the sale.
My advice: work on the relationship and upon stating your expectations for the relationship after the sale. The sales process is a few hours to a few days in lenght the ownership experience is probably a few years.
I'd pay more for a better ownership experience rather than a quick hit up front. It is amazing how far $1,500 DOESN'T go if you need help and only get "what is required."
The above opinions and conclusions come from years of buying from the same dealership and from the same car company. Be guided by what you want in the overall relationship not just the "one night stand" to borrow a more crude analogy.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Billy
I looked at the discussion on the a6 board regarding after service experience and couldn't agree more. I work in professional services and couldn't agree more about the customer who always wants the lowest price, they tend to be a huge pain for me as the vendor and usually end up being "less pleasant" to work with. I'm willing to pay a fair price and value the business relationship with the dealer.
I'm hopefully visiting dealers this Saturday and *may* make a purchase. Any thoughts on lease vs. premier purchase vs. lease? I saw some discussion elsewhere on the board.
Thanks.
... too many hours at work today
And how many Audis have you owned? If this opinion was formed after your first Audi, I certainly understand but did you like the car enough in other areas to consider the brand again or was it the dealer or what?
Inquiring minds. . .
I see you have a very good price on Audi A4. the price that you pay include all option ? or just with the standard option ?
please let me know. I am also on the market to buying a car right now and audi A4 is my target.
if you can please email me at oliviertnguyen@hotmail.com. I am in Sommerville area. Yesterday i checked with flemington audi car dealer and they just not a price bargain people
thank you in advance
Olivier
Anyway, no more on price! I have the car and now I'm going to have fun driving it!
Any advice on breaking the engine in? The salesman said just don't take it above 4k RPMs in 1st for the first 1000 miles and don't drive it at constant speeds for a long time during the the first 100 miles. That sounds too good to be true - any differing opinions?
"...don't drive it at constant speeds for a long time during the the first *1000* miles."
I haven't been there, but may have some info for you...
if you are looking for some feedback & audi info specific to MN from mn try mnaudi.com
jj runs a nice forum and there are lots of folks who have been over to Anderson & would be glad to answer your questions.
Anderson is an awesome facility with knowledgeable and personable mechanics. They also have a website http://www.andersonmotorsport.com
and are a authorized MTM dealer.
Any further questions?
--'rocco
vince...8o)
I love the looks of the new A4, but am concerned about losing the spaciousness of the A6. I have heard reports stating the driver's leg rubs against the center console and is annoying. Also, very rarely are there adults in the back seat of my car, just my 2 kids.
Also concerned with going from 250hp to 220hp.
Anyone been there, done that?
Brian
Quattro drive eats tires particularly those with soft compounds, which includes most tires with V-ratings and higher. I got roughly 25k out of a set of Goodyear F1 Steels and replaced them with Dunlop A2s which should do much better (higher treadwear rating).
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
B. Tulip are you only looking for allseasons? Since you live in NJ,a preferable choice would be both a dedicated summer and winter set. Allseasons are a compromise of performance in every aspect which is fine for soccer moms but if unparalled safety and performance is what you're seeking forget 'bout it.
The Nokian NRW WR's are winter champions. The compound and tread pattern is better designed than most winter/snow tires. Why? Most snows sacrifice a great deal of dry handling, responsiveness, and longevity for VERY aggressive snow traction. Unless you drive on seldom traveled roads of Alaska where snow trucks never venture agressive snows are silly. Think about how often do you actually encounter unplowed completely snow/ice covered roads in the winter? MAYBE 3-5 times/year? And if you do the Nokian's would perform and how! They are better than ANY allseason in snow, slush, and wet conditions and better than any other snow tire in dry, wet, and emergency (evasive manuvers) conditions.
For summer shoes, it's a toss up between the Bridgestone SO3 (quick, nimble, and quiet), Michelin Pilot Sports (the same but noisy), and the Toyo T1s (all of the above but possess a higher treadwear rating).
Hope this helps.
Now what your experience may be a result of a sportier suspension than you're previously used to. A "sport" suspension puts much more stress on tires and their lateral adhesion limits, which could lead to faster treadwear.
Some would say that it's worth the performance advantages.
I think otherwise. Good summer-only tires go $700 or more a pair. At those prices I need more than 25k out of 'em. So far I find the Dunlop A2s quite nice and they're only around $500 a set. Personally I'm looking for good steering response and wet-weather braking, I don't care much about 1g cornering.
Short of autocrossing I find my A2-equipped Sport Quattro terrific in all conditions except serious snow (for which I have a set of Blizzaks).
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Nowadays, I'm enjoying the ride in my 02 Avant. Everything is fine and dandy except for a few interior squeeks and rattles which I'll have the dealer take a look at during my 10K service.
He decided he'd mind getting a Taurus scraped up a lot less. Evidentally getting the parking guy to not scrape your bumper is impossible.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
All that being said, I would not own an Audi (or a BMW or MB) for so much as 1 day past the factory warranty without some sort of extended service plan. Repairs on German cars run into four and five!) digits all too easily.
So while Extended Service Plans can and do pay off for some, and are probably a good idea for those who cannot (or choose not to) take the risk of unexpected repairs, others who can afford to take a calculated risk may want to put their $2,000+ premium to some other use.
P.S. Although you occasionally hear about 5 digit repair bills, I think this risk is very slight. Most engine and transmission problems can be repaired, as opposed to the whole unit having to be replaced, so the vast majority of the time you just end up exchanging your premium dollars with the insurance company's reimbursements. At that point it just becomes a matter of who comes out ahead when the warranty expires or when you sell the car, whichever comes first.