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iusecad: The P+H package makes this car a lot less floaty. It also makes the car a lot more drivable. You probably could use a stiffer shock with the base model springs, but the thinner sway bars will become apparent in turns. Try driving the P+H option. I have never had any complaints that the P+H was too harsh. In fact I have gone to aftermarket shocks to stiffen it up even more. You will spend more money "fixing" the standard CV/GM suspension to meet the P+H standard than if you get it from the get-go. I believe you also get a full size spare as well as the self leveling suspension. You can get the base CV/GM with the P+H as an option. That shouldn't break 21k. Hold out for a used 98+CV/GM P+H if you want a better ride but don't have the new car cost $$. Most people who have driven these cars as rentals don't realise the difference between this car with the P+H option. It takes a typical floaty, soft (uncontrolled feeling) underpowered car, and transforms it to a car you are not afraid to toss into (and launch out of) a corner. I freak Honda's out all the time by starting slow in a long decreasing radius turn and ACCELERATING out. The look of panic in their eyes when they try to catch up and find their front end going off the road is priceless:-) Yes these cars stick.
the ultimate package. I hear people talking about getting the car for $2,ooo under invoice. There seems to be $1,500 rebate, and another $500 offered in Va.(near where I live in Md.) Could someone tell me if these will actually bring it in at $2,ooo less than invoice? Where will I end up ultimately in terms of price after I do all of my homework? Thanks
Really a great car otherwise though!
Thanks,
Jim
Jim
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For everybody else...2000 GM p/h, purchased 2 months ago, 4250 miles so far..no problems. Averaging 21.5 mpg (80% highway).
Have a nice day, and no hard feelings.---Do you know Saturnboy?
Thanks. Auto223
1) dual exhaust
2) 3.55 rear end
3)(not sure on this) revised(higher) shift points and redline for the engine
4)Thicker anti sway bars and load leveling rear suspension (air springs)
Trying to change the suspension to the air suspension in the P&H package is prohibitively expensive, and requires major work. However, police interceptor springs will work as a substitute. You can also change the anti sway bar to a thicker one for a P&H model easily enough. You can also exhange the standard shocks to a set of bilsteins(copcars.net has them). This will firm up the ride quite a bit over a standard CV.
To improve straight line performance, the first thing you should do is switch to dual exhaust(not cheap). That will give you more horsepower than a chip will. However, you would need to change the rear end to a 3.27 or 3.55 to really make a difference(and that I believe is $1200, and I don't think that includes labor) Bottom line, the best way to get a P&H CV is to buy a P&H CV.
The performance and handling package revises the sway bar, spring and shock rates for a firmer ride. That does not mean the ride is jarring. It makes the car corner better by reducing body roll and controls the car at highway speeds better than the standard suspension. The "firmer ride" (still too soft for me) will also decrease your braking distances. The addded 15hp and torque by going to the dual exhaust helps out quite a bit off the line along with the 3.55 rear gear. The air shocks are great. From personal experience, I have loaded my car up with cement bags in the trunk, the springs level the back end so you don't bottom the car out on curbs/bumps. The same for three large adults in the back seat. I have seen snowbirds coming up from Florida in a non P+H GM with three older people in the back, with a full trunk, and the back end just bobs up and down almost hitting the ground. From a safety standpoint the air shocks are worth it. Try them both models. As you can tell from an earlier post, trying to modify a non P+H is prohibitively $$$$$. By buying the package, you get all the goodies to start with. As a side note, FORD only produces the P+H on limited #'s of civilian CV and GM. And they sell relatively fast. When I was shopping for one 2 years ago I got the same "harsh ride" run around.
end would cause fewer or more engine revolutions at a given hwy speed that the stock cv rear end.
thanks again.
And yes, the 3.55 gearing will rev the engine higher at speed. However, at 70, the engine is on a normal CV is not working very hard at all, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
2. install i/springs all around.3 install bilstgeins. and maybe one of those superchips. I just wondered if I had to use higher than 87 Octane fuel with a chip?
2. install i/springs all around.3 install bilstgeins. and maybe one of those superchips. I just wondered if I had to use higher than 87 Octane fuel with a chip?
I think it's pretty silly to tear apart a brand new car and option it out. If the work isn't done quite right you no longer have a "good as new" car, and some of the mods you are suggesting will void the warranty. If the added P&H is important to you, cut your losses now and get that model.
- Does anyone have a feel for the life of the oxygen sensor?
- Does anyone know how to read the computer error codes without taking it to a dealer?
Am I better off taking a hit for a broken odomoter or should I simply avoid any responsiblity for the car under MA lemon law and say it has 101K miles?