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Bill, do you mean "hot" as in selling fast, or "hot" as in your air conditioning?
:P
Meade
Meade
Since the MPV has been trouble free, I can’t comment on their after repair service. I’ve read one other praise of Wayne Mazda in this forum. I don’t recall any stories that drum up night mares. So, it would seem that the after sales service must be at least descent.
Our first purchase a few years back was conducted out of a trailer, while they awaited town approval for their new structure. At the time, only their repair garage was operating. It kind of reminded me of a boiler room operation. But we went through with the purchase and have not regretted it one bit. Besides we got the deal we wanted. With the purchase of the Mazda 3, their environment changed, but their attitude didn’t; which is a good thing. BTW – they’ll deal over the internet (not sure about the phone, though). They are not like others that beg you to e-mail for a quote and then reply with something ridiculous like “ .the ever changing auto market so please come in to our showroom to receive your best price quote.”
Well, it can’t be all good, right? Right! The handful of times I’ve visited, they were always busy. So, there may be a waiting time. In fact, the last time I was there (a few days ago), I had company while I waited. But it is all well worth the wait.
Oh, and my 05 Mazda 3s 5-Speed Lava Orange Hatch – kind of speaks for itself.
Like I said earlier. A deal can be found on anything. some versions of the 3 are easier to get than others.... But a large number of folks have paid MSRP or very close on the MZ3. I was just posting real world sales information we get from Mazda and our own internal sales... Of course the resident expert knows all and appearantly mazda makes up the data they have.
The one thing our expert hasnt addressed is if the car isnt selling consistatnly with little discounts why isnt there any rebates or incentives? Why would they change model years without incentives? why don't dealers have the number of 3 instock they want and need??
Meade
One time I thought I had made a mistake - and admitted it - then I found out that I DID NOT if fact make an error - so the mistake I made was admitting a mistake when I was really correct. I will never make that mistake again!
Hard to understand how all of these buyers are posting that they are paying less than INVOICE yet some still try and claim that 7 out of 10 pay MSRP or more.
Does the resident sales expert know the difference between MSRP and INVOICE?
I know that some companies give the sales department "bad" information -
I have seen the information be slanted so it looked like the company was making more than it really was - so the sales staff did not feel bad about all the money that the company was losing (plus the best sales people will bolt from a company if they think it is going down the tubes) - Also seen the information put together so that it showed the company was making a lot less that they really were - because if the sales people knew that the company was making a large profit they would want larger commissions - or would want to start lowering the sales price.
So unless you are the owner of the company - or have access to the "real" numbers - you really don't know if the information you are getting is complete - or just what management wants you to think is real.
BTW -my grinding & thumping problems have been fixed.
.....or just what management wants you to think is real.
I am a partial owner and in senior management......any more questions?
Easy to understand if you realize that way less than 1% of car buyers actually participate here in Edmunds. You are making the mistake of assuming that buying experiences reported here are representative of the other 99% of folks who never visit Edmunds to report. I would also take a few of the 'deals' reported here with a huge grain of salt. What we DON'T know is how badly some of these folks may have been raked over the coals regarding the value of their trade-ins.
I have no data to back this up but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of Mazda3 buyers are buying their FIRST new car with the 3. If this is the case, these rookie buyers may not really have a good feel for the negotiation process and simply take the salesman's word with regard to what the dealership can sell the car for.
David
anywhere near the Va horse park in Lexington? I was just there last month for a horse show...beautiful area.
We're still in love with the car and happy with our decisin. Zoom Zoom!
The Sandman
And thank you for your input on these boards...I've been reading you for a long time.
First a 1% sample size is very large - more than enough to have a high level of statistical confidence in the result. But lets not make this any harder than we need to - lets just do some 5th grade algebra!
If I take a Mazda3 S with auto tranny, ABS & the sport package the MSRP is $19,365, invoice is $18,016 and the Edmunds TMV is $18,658 (for HARTFORD CT BTW) Could pick any options the result will be about the same.
Let X = amount paid by average buyer that did not pay MSRP
So then:
$19,365* 70% + 30%X = $18,658
X= $17,008.33!!!!
So in order for 7 out of 10 to have paid MSRP 3 out of 10 of buyers would have had to pay an average of about $1,008 UNDER INVOICE.
I don't care what anyone says - no way 7 of 10 people pay MSRP for a Mazda3 - because there is no way the other 30% paid $1K under invoice.
Because if all of the Edmunds posters are so darn smart and such great car buyers and so proud to BRAG about how great of a deal they got - then why don't any - thats right any of them claim to have paid that much under invoice?
BTW the Edmunds TMV for this car is $18,441 in Texas - $217 less than CT.
However, I do think that you are right that not many people are now paying MSRP for Mazda3's. I bought my 5 door (AT, ABS/SAB/SAC) at the end of June. Basically, after cross shopping several cars, I decided on the 3 and asked for dealer quotes from Edmunds. I only received one real quote, but I took it with me to the dealer I'd been working with and asked if he could match it. He did and I bought the car from him.
FWIW, there did seem to be several 3s on the lot; I suspect that the GM employee pricing (and now the Ford employee pricing) has cut into Mazda sales...at least where I live.
Edmunds forum participants are not representative of buyers as a whole. Most buyers have never even heard of Edmunds.
You could make the case that Edmunds posters are not a random sample - because they are not! But I also think that if you looked at the important factors that would differentiate the amount paid by different buyers you could make a good case that Edmunds posters would be a VALID sample - even though they are not randomly selected. Using a random sample - although better - is hard to do in these situations - outside of the class room anyway.
Just a guess - but I don't think you would find a statistical difference between Edmunds posters (to the Mazda3 board) and a random sample of Mazda3 buyers in things like - age, income, education, intelligence, negotiation skills - even internet access - an obvious possible major factor may not even be that great - since being a car nut (posting on Edmunds) and using the net most likely are not positively correlated. In other words - many people have access to the net & know how to use it that don't post on Edmunds. If this was 1980 then I would agree - not may people could look up things like invoice price - on the net - but what % of Mazda3 buyers have internet access and know how to do a search now? I would think most do.
-if you are trying to say - if you read & post on Edmunds you are going to be able to get the best (or a real good) price - I may agree with you on that. Seems right.
But the flaw then is how do you explain away the FACT that if 7 of 10 are paying MSRP - then the other 3 must be about $1,000 under invoice - yet no posts are claiming getting prices that low.
The only logical explanation is - you guessed it
7 out of 10 buyers are not paying MSRP.
Frankly I'm getting a little tired of this duel between the Mr. Subjective and Mr. Objective. It's getting nowhere, verrrrry slowly.
Meade
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First someone claims that 7/10 pay MSRP for the Mazda3 - then someone else proves that is not reality. Even used Edmunds own PRICING data on the Mazda3.
BTW the P in MSRP does stand for price.
I couldn't agree more.
Why call someone who posts here often a liar? He said that his store sells 70% of their Mazda3's at MSRP... Take it for what it is worth... But, he does have a history here on Edmunds..
375 people could post that they bought there Mazda3 for $1000 below invoice.. that still doesn't make him a liar..
Just like 375 people could post that their A/C works great... that doesn't make you a liar, either... It doesn't even mean that Mazda doesn't have a problem with the A/C..
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So I guess the better more PC response (from me) would have been - If a dealership tries to get you to pay MSRP for a Mazda3 then go to another dealership because most (really all but a very few ) are willing to sell this car for somewhere between $500 under to $500 over invoice.
I'll try that next time!
I had purchased a silver 2004 M3 sedan last year for my daughter to take to college (she really liked the Lava Orange then too, but I was being practical about price), and while she absolutely loves the car, it didn't have air conditioning in it, and that became an issue. Since Mazda doesn't provide a kit for after-market installation, we decided to upgrade. Because it is summer, and the dealer didn't want to offer us what I thought would be a fair price for the trade-in (not having air conditioning), I kept the old car and will try to sell it privately.
It does help to do research on a site like this one, and much of the information I found here was useful. Equally important is to explore all of the avenues open to you as far as getting quotes. I used the Mazda web site directly to contact area dealers, a shopping service available through my credit union, and direct contact through the dealers web sites, even contacted dealers in the area that my daughter is attending school figuring we could pick it up there, and then worked with the dealer that offered me the best starting point. If you know the make and/or model of the car you want, this is the best way to go as far as I am concerned. You are basically going through their fleet sales channel, and it is much easier to deal with them than as an "up" on the showroom floor.
Time to move on. 1 question, on the 2006's, is the 5 speed auto tranny an option?
Zoom Zoom!
the Sandman
. can anybody tell me how are this cars . is it worth it to buy a 929 .
I am never mad or upset by anything that gets posted - even when things get a little nasty & personal - I enjoy a little disagreement - keeps things interesting. If everyone always agreed it would be kind of bla.
I can't say I'm surprised by audia8q's description of the buying process. My wife is like that. She admits to never having gotten a good deal on any car purchase.
I also wonder for how many people this was their first new car. It was my frist new car.
My Mazda has leather, ABS/SAB/SAC, 6-CD/moonroof, auto. There was also a $250 doc fee. As it turns out I would have paid $300 over invoice for any Mazda on the lot, but the price was what I was shooting for to begin with.
I paid $300 over plus a $50 doc fee - so I just say $350 over. Doc fees are just another way car dealerships get people to pay more. This is the only reason they exist - plain simple fact.
As long as they are part of the negotiation then I could care less - but if they spring them on you after the deal is done and just include them in - that is wrong - and I will not pay them.
No one can argue with this - can they?
(Could be going to get it tomorrow evening so quick replies would be appreciated!)
I shopped around on the Internet and got quotes from several dealers. The dealer I did business with "dealer-traded" for the exact car I wanted, and trucked it in about 80 miles at no additional charge. Happy Customer.
The dealer told me flat out that they were facing pricing pressures from GM and Ford due to the employee discount. Even at $300 under invoice the Mazda3 5-door was still substantially more expensive then all of the other cars I was looking at. The Mazda dealer that sold me the car knew this and cut prices accordingly.
2. I used the internet (edmunds, cars.com, carsdirect.com, mazdausa.com) and played multiple dealers off each other.
3. No trade-in.
I got 4.49% APR, $45 doc fee. There are several internet sales departments of dealers in this area who openly advertise 1.5% over invoice. The fact that I was able to beat invoice by $700 was likely due to end of the month, end of the model year dealer incentives, and perhaps a bit of good negotiating...
Also, has anyone heard if the 05's are going to have rebates when the 06's hit?
Can you?
Yes.
A few years back I shopped a dealer that claimed -Every car on the lot AT INVOICE & we will SHOW you the ACTUAL INVOICE. They included $1,500 of additional dealer markup on the invoice. The sales guy actually kept a straight face when he said that this was the "actual invoice".
What gave him away, was it the clown outfit? :P
KC
What you also need is the Gerber coupon. Become a registered user at Gerber.com, then login and request that they mail you the $500 Mazda cash back coupon. You'll receive it through the mail in approx. 10 days.
Which Mazda coupon is found in Plum Magazine: the Gerber ad or the ACOG (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists) ad?