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I'm not sure about the mechanical pump, assuming it still has the original pump. I would prime the carb to get it going and see if it stays running.
With kids in each row of seats in has really cut into cargo space...the only negative trade-off in my mind in buying the LC over a Sequoia...in any event any suggestions?
They've introduced some new models since I purchased mine. Can pick your size or style depending on use and price.
The TLC is no slouch by any means and the LX does offer some nice creature items, like Mark Levinson, telescoping stereo, adjustable suspension, maybe upscale leather etc. But take a look at 2-3yr old TLC vs LX's. You will pay $5-6k more for the LX, plus there is the maintenance costs.
They are the same except those few items. But the suspension is another thing to break (eventually) and will cost a ton to fix. The stereo, are you an audiophile and will you notice the diff? Leather, hey the TLC seats are nice too. I guess it is really just an image piece at that point.
I would go TLC simply because I know you can get a better deal and it is the same. For me it really comes down to finding one that has what I want and low miles to boot.
Good Luck.
Also, I understand the LX470 is changing to the Sequoia platform for model year 2005. So, in 2 1/2 years , a 2002 LX470 will be dated. Supposedly, the 2005 LC may go retro, like a Defender. There may be more demand for a used LC versus the LX470 in three years if the above changes are correct.
I did really like the memory seating and the cornering suspension deal on the LX470 and the extra year of warranty. But, in the end, went LC.
Thanks,
-Vic
MD, I too have wondered about the replacement cost of that fancy smancy hydraulic system on the LX470. It might last forever for all I know, but have yet to read or hear of any problems...or anything else for that matter. I have heard that the new GX470 will have it, and ditto for the new 2003 4Runner. I'm wondering if Toyota is going full tilt in this hydraulic direction for its upper scale SUV's? I'd like to learn more of the pros and cons of this system.
Most of all my experience with checking out SUV's has been at the local Toyota Dealer when I'm getting my frequent oil changes. A few months ago, I ran into this fellow with a brand new LX470, Black (not my favorite color for living in Florida), and loaded with all the toys. I mentioned to him my keen interest in Cruisers, and he told me he had shopped them thoroughly but got his LX470 for nearly the same price. That comment, favorable reviews from Edmunds,Consumer Reports, etc. and feedback from Lexus owners had got me thinking about the Cruiser's kissing cousin. Still, I'd like to learn more, especially about the hydraulics.
Kjack, Sequoia already uses the Tundra truck frame. Both made in the same brand new factory here in the USA, but it's a stretch for me to see the Cruiser going that way. On the other hand, I can easily imagine Cruisers going retro and reverting back to its original purpose...a move in the right direction IMO. The Toyota Land Cruiser already has retro versions around the world, only they are not imported to the US. I'd like to see the diesel version over here too.
Whatever I buy you can bet it will get many years of service until it begins to reach that magic 275K range. That's when I start getting antsy about buying a new one. I use my vehicles for business and pleasure, and so far Toyota has been the best ticket I've ever bought! Congrats all around for your recent LC purchase, and look forward to reading your updates. JB
We used our '99 leased Landcruiser on the recent purchase of an '02. The miles were 5000 over, but after talking with a dealer here, they wanted our 99, so we bought it out and are now waiting on this thunder cloud colored one to come in. AKA, LC availability is limited here in the South. So, that would be a great price for down here. After all is said and done, we got one for right at your price with a 100,000 mile warranty included.
I wanted to get a new one, because after having the first one, which was fantastic, I wanted one to baby for 200,000 miles; not exactly how I treated the leased vehicle.
Hope to be an owner soon!
Could I have damaged the fuel gauge or sensor?
Would this be something that Warranty would cover? Should the gas station be liable since the pump did not shut off? Please advise. Thanks!
I don't monitor the pump all that closely either. I prefer not breathing in the fumes, and I'm usually checking the oil and washing the windows anyway. 4 gallons is a bit much though ;-).
Steve
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Has enyone else noticed these?
Anyhow, my guess is when you overfill your tank, the exess fuel spills into these holes. I have no idea where it winds up or how much can be held before it starts to spill over.
Maybe cliffy of someone else who is knowledgeble can help with this. This is something that can potentially happen to anyone.
We bought my wife an '01 GS about 9 months ago and since have gotten spoiled by the Lexus level of product. I honestly like the looks of the LC a little better -- seems a little more rugged like I am used to in the Jeep. However the supply of slightly used TLC's are much lower than the LX's in the North Texas area therefore the pricing of a LC is not much different than that of an LX.
I have also gotten quite used to the memory seats in the GS, as both of us are picky about the position of the 27-way power seats. Since Toyota decided not to give this feature to the LC (don't understand why when it is in the much cheaper Avalon) that initially led me to check out the LX. I now know all the small cosmetic and feature differences between the two, but I'm assuming the overall reliability should be about the same since the LX is just a slightly dressed up LC.
If any of you (kjack, md2002, olizer, cliffy seem to be some of the more vocal LC owners) could let me know if there are any particular problems or items that will require special attention as the truck gets much more mileage on it. The one's I am looking at have around 30k-40k miles on them, but I plan on keeping this truck for quite awhile. I have read a lot in the 4Runner room and it seems quite a bit of owners in there have taken their trucks to 150k-200k miles very easily, and without many problems.
Is the same type of reliability I can expect with the LX? I noticed in some of the more recent posts about the adjustable air suspension in the LX being a future issue and I have thought about that too. I'm hoping that the Toyota/Lexus quality will be worth the extra cost. I have been habitually flipping American SUV's on 3-yr leases for more than a decade and I would finally like to get a truck I can keep for awhile -- and I can't think of a nicer ride than a LC or LX.
Any info or insight you guys could give would extremely helpful and appreciated.
Thanks
The biggest issue you will face in terms of repair is the adjustable air suspension. If you plan on keeping it long term say 150-200k then it could cost you allot down the road.
But money is relative for some. For me I like the TLC, go anywhere and strong history of quality. The LX is nice, but the cost of ownership is higher than I want to pay ($$$).
The Mark Levinson Stereo is supposed to be very nice, but hey I'm no audiophile so I really wouldn't notice.
I am holding out for a 2000 off lease in January that is Millenium Silver with ivory interior and all the options. A doctor leased it and he is paticular about the appearance and cleanliness of his cars. As opposed to another doctor who leases at the same dealer who lets his (spoiled) kids drive it. Saw the last one. Not a body panel that didn't have a scratch or dent on it. He had to get those repaired or pay Toyota.
For me it has to be a great deal or I will just wait. Based on the dealership and the current leasee I will look hard at buying it since he turns into a new TLC every three years. Of course with my luck he will most likely buy this one.
I will ask the dealer what the buy money is and see what we are talking about.
MTM, I'd go with what you like. If you're going to drive it for a while out of warranty, that Lexus suspension question is relevant. But there are those extras on the Lexus that may push it over the top for you for the additional $5000.
Please try this in your TLC. Push the OD Off button. Steadily accelerate to 50 MPH and level off. As your leveling off do your RPMs jump by about 400? If so please let me know as my Toyota dealer is telling me this is normal.
I originally noticed this when pulling my trailer a month ago. It had never occurred before then.
The more input I can get the better.
Thank you,
Dan
I figure the only TLC's I would look at are ones that have local service records and dealer knowledge of the leasee. This is what I am looking at.
But hey I may opt for a new '03 4RUNNER if they fit my need. I always wanted a TLC, and my next purchase is going to be it for a good 5-7 years so I know a TLC will last. Just a matter of economics.
my 99 LC.
I was quoted $110 each for the Michelin LTX "S" rated
$150 Michelin "H" rated. Anyone have better luck with
other tires.
I will be mainly driving mixed city/freeway with occasional
trips to Lake Tahoe.
Mike
Any suggestions or opinions are welcome.
Also is the shadow gray interior very difficult to find with a black or river rock exterior? More than 6 dealers in the Los Angeles area say they have never received one with the black or river rock although the brochure says it is available.
Thanks.
Murali
mnalla@yahoo.com
Hope your great deal is at or near invoice, some dealers in your area are quite fair while others will rip you off.