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I put a deposit on a 2004 CRV EX auto today. Price is $22,200.00 plus tax/title. About $355.00 below the TMV. It should be in next week, can't wait to get it. There were 3 on the lot, But I'm holding out for the silver color.
Installed Options: - Wheel Locks - Front Mud Gaurds - Cargo Tray - Pin Stripes - One extra set of Floor Mats
Bought from Hersons Honda in Rockville, MD. Had to buy a vehicle to replace vehicle involved in an accident, IMO not a bad deal. My expectation was to get another $800 off but had to give up.
Vehicle is great. I got Black color car. Though this color is little more maintenance looks great.
*best offer was $20892.00 for an '03. Car sold before I called back but they offered next week's delivery for quoted price. Internet Sales called back about 2 hours later and said cars coming in were '04 not '03 BUT, since they promised me the next one in at that price they would stick to it. Don't expect this price to be offered often if at all.
Great deal in Phoenix area. Purchased from TEMPE HONDA Internet Dept. Used e-mail and fax to 7 local dealerships internet managers. 4 responded. Honda Cars of Mesa had a slightly higher price. Earnhardt was quite a bit higher but well under MSRP. Showcase also made fair offer. (All quotes were for '03 so don't know what I would have been quoted by others for an '04 but I doubt anyone would have beat this deal.)
Picked it up today. Love it.
Definitely recommend TEMPE HONDA Internet dept. if you're in this area. Check other posts here as well.
Steve_Host and fellow posters: thanks for all the info you've provided over the last 4 - 5 weeks. Helped me get a great deal. Couldn't have done it without you.
They said it was for mailing in forms such as registration. I figure this stuff is all electronic but I wasn't go to question $2. Besides, this dealership really seemed to be straight forward and honest, so if they say they're going to have to mail something, it may not cost them $2 but I believe they will have to mail some kind of paper-work somewhere.
I'm in southeastern Virginia and can't get a dealer to budge on price for a 2WD LX AT. I've had two quotes, one for $19,010 + fees, and another for $18,860 + fees. The dealer with the second quote said it was only so low, because I was a Sam's Club member. Anybody out there think this is a fair price? Also, if anyone can suggest a reputable dealer in Southeastern\Northern VA, MD, or Northeastern North Carolina, I'd appreciate it.
Just bought a 2003 CR-V EX automatic in NJ/PA area. Prices here seem much less flexible than other areas, from reading posts. MSRP $22,860 Invoice $21,152 Price $21,700 (same as Edmunds TMV) 6% Tax $1,302 Doc, Reg, etc. $161 Total Price $23,163 Very happy so far, but wish I could have gotten a better price. I used email and went to dealers but no one would budge.
That seems to be a fair price that is 5% over invoice. I am starting to research a 2004 CR-V for purchase next spring. I currently own a 1997 CR-V purchased from Honda dealer in the West Chester, PA area.
The base price I paid was less than what you guys are paying, but I still paid more out the door thanks to a higher sales tax, vehicle license tax(tags), and "doc fee". So on the positive side, you still made out better than I did. Hope that's some consolation. - Bill
I was just curious did anyone buy an extended warranty on a 4wd ex was curious what they cost looking for the 7/100k would appreciate any feedback. Thanks Brent
Just bought a 2004 Civic a week ago and used the price at the website to bargain with the dealer. first, they said they have "special program" for my Civic 6/75K for $1400.00. I told them the price I saw online was $710.00 for 7/75K, no deductible, no tax. finally, they beat the online price at $650.00 plus tax, equals to $703.00 for 7/75K.
HELP! Two weeks ago I got a TMV price on a new 03 CRV LX AWD automatic of $19.8K for my area. It is now almost $2K more. Did I miss a rebate or something?
Also, it says the TMV on an 02 used CRV auto LX AWD is $17K. A local dealer laughed and is retailing it at $19.9. He says the TMV is screwed up. Of course I do not want to take his word yet it does seam as though the TMV is off. Is there an issue. I used this price to get my Camry last year and found it to be dead on.
Note: the host said: "As to TMV, the prices you find here are based on what people are paying and there will be some inevitable variation from one dealer to the next" but to be off by 2 grand on both new and used vehicles in a two week period is hardly acceptable...
I suspect that Oct. 1 was the "update date" since we don't have the resources to change the TMV on a daily (or weekly) basis. TMV is updated monthly, but a 2 grand jump is a bit much.
There might have been some manufacturer-to-consumer rebates last month (anyone remember?), and those aren't calculated into TMV. More here.
No I was specifically looking at NEW 2003s...in fact the 04 pricing was not available at that time...I thought perhaps a rebate had just ended until I found a similar issue with the pricing of a used 2002 w/25K miles. Edmunds says 17K the dealer is asking $19.9......I think Edmunds is to low...what do you think.....I was ready to buy if the price were close to 17K.
I'd say the $19.9K is just the asking price.. Most of the anecdotal evidence on this board has the best prices on new '03s at $21,400.. I'm guessing that dealer might come down to $18,500-$19000 if you put the money on the table. I wouldn't want to pay that much, but thats the problem with used Hondas... great resale!! Its what makes the new ones such good buys.. The best price I've seen on the boards for a new 2004 is $21,900 for auto EX. I'd much rather pay that, than $19K for a used '02.
Try asking for a price at Real-World Trade-In Values. Scroll back a few pages to get a flavor for the board, so you won't be sent to your room for leaving out critical info, like the color ;-)
I do not think there were any rebates offered on the CR-V. They are pretty hot sellers in general, in fact, the big ads in our local paper include every other Honda model but rarely even mention the CR-V.
You may have missed a dealer insentive. If you got a quote at the end of September (The end of the quarter) the dealer may have been trying hard to make a quota breakpoint and was looking to move more cars that day or week. Come Oct. 1 the clock resets and the deals vanish.
Oops. Sorry, I missed that it was an Edmunds quote/estimate. Sorry. The color may save you a few bucks but certainly not $2k. You would think the estimated price for a 2003 would go down when the 2004's hit the lots. Strange that it went the other way.
BTW - I'm seeing about $19.8 for the LX AWD when I look at the TMV today. Any chance you looked at an LX one time and an EX the next by mistake? Or manual Vs. Auto. Or w/side air bags, etc. There are lots of choices and it is easy to miss the defaults and settings sometimes.
My dealer in the Topeka Ks. area won't budge they are trying to sell it for $1750 I was just wondering has anyone bought that extended warranty from curryhodacare.com. I would hate to buy it there have it mailed to me and not be able to use it at my dealer. Doesn't honda just offer the honda care warranty wouldn't they all be the same? Brent
I would have purchased the extended warranty at curryhondacare if my dealer had not beaten the price. My wife would kill me for paying that $1000 extra!
Honda care warranty is honored at any honda car dealer.
I suppose I may have looked at an EX instead of LX...IF SO I APPOLOGIZE TO EDMUNDS!!!! Does 17K sound right for and LX 02 though? Are the dealers really retailing them at $20K and selling for $17K...weird.....
It is so nice to have a new car again. Taking customers on test drives and having your own is really two different things.
Our car came in two-three weeks early, we are just getting the Accord prepped to sell. I drove the CRV home last night and didn't tell my wife. She went outside and looked at the car. She asked me why I drove this car home. I told her that when you buy a new car it is the only thing to do....the smile across her face was great!
Today we are going down to Lumber Liquidators and ordering our new floor...this seems to be a pattern....ordering and waiting! :-)
I also noticed a jump in TMV on the CRV EX. I've been watching it closely for a couple reasons-- one is that the TMV was a lot better than I was able to get for my area, the second is that I have an 04 on order, and was anxious to see the 04 invoice price. Once the new 04 CRV information came out on Edmunds, I noticed the TMV increased by about $1500 (but MSRP only increased $150.) I also noticed that there is no invoice information listed for the 04 EX. Anyone know why? Will it be published?
ended up getting it from dealer cost was 930 with a 0 dedutable for 7/years. Hope I won't need it but it is nice to have just for the security knowing if something major breaks when making payment it will be covered. Thanks again for all your help. Brent
I am helping my friend buy a 2004 CRV LX AT. the lowest price we got so far is about 20,340, which is the same as TMV in Edmunds. Do you guys think it is a decent price? I am wandering whether there is any buyer in WNY on this board. Could you share your exprience with us?
Is the invoice number for the 04 CRV EX manual not listed right on the Edmunds TMV page? It says the invoice is $20,552. The invoice for the 03 was $19,954, or an increase of $598. The MSRP only increased $150 ($21,600 to $21,750.) Seems strange the invoice would jump so much compared to the MSRP. Now, the destination charge has also increased, from $460 to $490. If I remove $490 from the 04 invoice price of $20,552, that yields an invoice price of $20,062, for a $108 increase over 2003. That seems more likely. Is it possible the Edmunds TMV page is double-counting the destination charge, and including it in the invoice as well as adding it in as a separate line item?
In 1999 got a new CRV. Drove for almost five years. No problems. Only repairs were replacing front disc brakes. Last week traded in for new 2004 CRV. Had a lousy deal. Got only 8500 for my 99 CRV (It had every imaginable option, fog lamps, hood rack, side molding, CD/Casette, inside wood panel kit, Gold package etc. ect.) and the 2004 CRV 22560. Traded on sudden impulse. I must have benn crazy to give my 1999, with every option in it and has had no problems for only $8500 and pay $22560 for the 2004. By the way both are EX AWD auto models. Also the dealer added $850 as Doc fee. This is a Honda dealer in Conshohocken, Pennsylvania. I think the delaer totally played me out. Won't go to a HOnda dealer ever again.
apiano: sorry to hear about your bad experience with this dealer. Look at the positives, you get a very good vehicle with some features you did not have on the 99, like side air bags and more room. There are alot of dealers out there and Honda does not have a monopoly on this, that will do anything possible to make every penny they can. What irks me the most is when they play up their cars resale value,but then do not back it up come trade in time. They will charge you a hefty price for the new one, but lowball you on the trade, then turn around and sell that trade in for a large mark up. You should check the lot and see how much it is selling for,if your nerves can take it. Hondas are nice vehicles,but their is a price to be paid in the negotiation and trade in process. On another issue, I still believe that Honda creates this artificial demand for their vehicles by purposely cutting back on production. This allows them to command a premium price. This is more understandable on a new vehicle like the Pilot,but not ones that have been around for years. Last week I went to our local dealer in NJ to test drive a CRV, and they did not have any to drive. What a surprise! I will not buy a car I cannot test drive. Therefore, if I do buy a small suv,it will probably be a RAV4 or Forrester. How this benefits Honda in the long run I don't understand.
Dear Rutger: Thanks for the encouraging email. You are right about Honda trimming production. Two weeks ago I stopped at the same dealer to test drive the 2004 CRV and they had no vehicle even for a test drive. I pass this dealership on my way home from work daily. Then last week when I was passing the dealesrship I saw this 2004 Chianti Red and went in. Did not want to give up on the car. That was how I got sucked into this raw deal. No more Honda dealers for me. Next time I will try something else and will not give into impulse buying anymore. The dealership is Conicelli Honda in Conshohocken, Pennsylvania. I went thru all of the messages on all the threads. No one in the Continental United States ever had to pay $850 as documentation fee.
apiano: The $8500 does not sound like a bad price for 1999 CRV trade. I am not sure how many miles you had on it. I assumed 75,000 and good condition. Kelly Blue Book said the trade in value is $8010. Edmunds has the TMV price at $22534 for 2004 CRV EX Auto. I am not sure how much the doc fee should be. I am familiar with the dealer in Conshohocken. They are a fairly large Honda dealer and have won several awards. I use Scott Honda in West Chester, PA but I am going to look at Conceilli when I shop for new CRV in spring 2004. I currently have CR-V 1997 with 100,000 miles on it.
I have no idea about Pa. being from Texas but $850 seems outrageous for a doc fee. I'd ask a friend to call them and feign interest in a CR-V but express concern over what the doc fee is since it's been "so long" since last purchasing a vehicle. You could use that information to go back to them and ask them to make it right. I would expect the GM to do so for goodwill purposes.
At the very least I would reconsider writing off Honda entirely due to a bad experience at one retailer. That's like saying you'll never eat at IHOP again because one restaurant burned your eggs or you'll never buy gasoline at Chevron again because one station had filthy restrooms.
I'd certainly take my business to a different Honda store if I determined they had wronged me and wouldn't make it right but I wouldn't go to a lesser vehicle just because one retailer was bad.
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cheapstake shoppers? customers are cheap because they earn money with honest and dignity. therefore, they have to spend their money wisely.
Right?
And there is a difference between a decent, polite shopper who is trying to get a great deal and a rude shopper who go's over the line.
Agree?
Pretty simple, really...
But it's also a good idea to view discussions by make/model now and then from the main Town Hall page in case a new discussion gets started that you are interested in.
Hope that helps!
Steve, Host
Price: 22,350.00
Destination: 460.00
Tax 3%: 670.50
Tags: 77.00
Doc Fee: 100.00
Installed Options: 490.00 (not very impressed)
Dealer Discount: -1,250.00
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Drive out price: 23, 150.00 (missing something)
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Installed Options:
- Wheel Locks
- Front Mud Gaurds
- Cargo Tray
- Pin Stripes
- One extra set of Floor Mats
Bought from Hersons Honda in Rockville, MD. Had to buy a vehicle to replace vehicle involved in an accident, IMO not a bad deal. My expectation was to get another $800 off but had to give up.
Vehicle is great. I got Black color car. Though this color is little more maintenance looks great.
Dest.: 460.00 (460,00)
Sales Tax(8.1%) 1729.51
Tags: 384.86
Doc. fee: 249.00
Tire tax: 5.00
Postage: 2.00
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Out the door: 23722.37
*best offer was $20892.00 for an '03. Car sold before I called back but they offered next week's delivery for quoted price. Internet Sales called back about 2 hours later and said cars coming in were '04 not '03 BUT, since they promised me the next one in at that price they would stick to it. Don't expect this price to be offered often if at all.
Great deal in Phoenix area. Purchased from TEMPE HONDA Internet Dept. Used e-mail and fax to 7 local dealerships internet managers. 4 responded. Honda Cars of Mesa had a slightly higher price. Earnhardt was quite a bit higher but well under MSRP. Showcase also made fair offer. (All quotes were for '03 so don't know what I would have been quoted by others for an '04 but I doubt anyone would have beat this deal.)
Picked it up today. Love it.
Definitely recommend TEMPE HONDA Internet dept. if you're in this area. Check other posts here as well.
btw, why $2 for postage?
Steve, Host
- Bill
MSRP $22,860
Invoice $21,152
Price $21,700 (same as Edmunds TMV)
6% Tax $1,302
Doc, Reg, etc. $161
Total Price $23,163
Very happy so far, but wish I could have gotten a better price. I used email and went to dealers but no one would budge.
- Bill
I've read that the saddle interior was 'enhanced' for 2004. Can anyone explain the difference between the 2004 saddle and 2003 saddle?
Also, can you confirm the addition of a passenger-side power lock switch for 2004?
Thanks!
Thanks!
http://www.curryhondacare.com/
Just bought a 2004 Civic a week ago and used the price at the website to bargain with the dealer. first, they said they have "special program" for my Civic 6/75K for $1400.00. I told them the price I saw online was $710.00 for 7/75K, no deductible, no tax. finally, they beat the online price at $650.00 plus tax, equals to $703.00 for 7/75K.
good luck.
I can confirm the addition of a passenger side power lock that will lock all doors.
Also, it says the TMV on an 02 used CRV auto LX AWD is $17K. A local dealer laughed and is retailing it at $19.9. He says the TMV is screwed up. Of course I do not want to take his word yet it does seam as though the TMV is off. Is there an issue. I used this price to get my Camry last year and found it to be dead on.
Note: the host said: "As to TMV, the prices you find here are based on what people are paying and there will be some inevitable variation from one dealer to the next" but to be off by 2 grand on both new and used vehicles in a two week period is hardly acceptable...
There might have been some manufacturer-to-consumer rebates last month (anyone remember?), and those aren't calculated into TMV. More here.
Steve, Host
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The best price I've seen on the boards for a new 2004 is $21,900 for auto EX. I'd much rather pay that, than $19K for a used '02.
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Steve, Host
You may have missed a dealer insentive. If you got a quote at the end of September (The end of the quarter) the dealer may have been trying hard to make a quota breakpoint and was looking to move more cars that day or week. Come Oct. 1 the clock resets and the deals vanish.
The color may save you a few bucks but certainly not $2k.
You would think the estimated price for a 2003 would go down when the 2004's hit the lots. Strange that it went the other way.
BTW - I'm seeing about $19.8 for the LX AWD when I look at the TMV today.
Any chance you looked at an LX one time and an EX the next by mistake? Or manual Vs. Auto. Or w/side air bags, etc. There are lots of choices and it is easy to miss the defaults and settings sometimes.
Brent
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kyfdx
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Honda care warranty is honored at any honda car dealer.
$21,680 price (including dest)
$687 3.17% VA tax
$353 processing/tags/license
$22,720 OTD
Our car came in two-three weeks early, we are just getting the Accord prepped to sell. I drove the CRV home last night and didn't tell my wife. She went outside and looked at the car. She asked me why I drove this car home. I told her that when you buy a new car it is the only thing to do....the smile across her face was great!
Today we are going down to Lumber Liquidators and ordering our new floor...this seems to be a pattern....ordering and waiting! :-)
Brent
Hope this helps.
On another issue, I still believe that Honda creates this artificial demand for their vehicles by purposely cutting back on production. This allows them to command a premium price. This is more understandable on a new vehicle like the Pilot,but not ones that have been around for years. Last week I went to our local dealer in NJ to test drive a CRV, and they did not have any to drive. What a surprise! I will not buy a car I cannot test drive. Therefore, if I do buy a small suv,it will probably be a RAV4 or Forrester. How this benefits Honda in the long run I don't understand.
At the very least I would reconsider writing off Honda entirely due to a bad experience at one retailer. That's like saying you'll never eat at IHOP again because one restaurant burned your eggs or you'll never buy gasoline at Chevron again because one station had filthy restrooms.
I'd certainly take my business to a different Honda store if I determined they had wronged me and wouldn't make it right but I wouldn't go to a lesser vehicle just because one retailer was bad.