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An 850.00 doc fee? Wow!
TIA!
http://www.handa-accessories.com/crv02.html
Thanks.
I also went to Connicelli Honda's Sales Manager and complained about the $850 Documentation fee he charged me. He said nothing can be done about it now. Connicelli Honda in Conshohocken sucks.
Honda called me for their usual after sales survey. I explained thhe lousy deal I got and the $850 docuemntation fee. I gave a 1 for all the answers except for one whether the salesperson explained to me the features of the vehicle where I gave a 4. Connicelli Honda got only 1 for all other questions.
Brent
Anyone with advice?
Jen
Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience at Connicelli's in Conshohocken. I was planning to visit them next spring when I shop for new CR-V. The Edmunds TMV price for a 1999 CR-V is 12,494 so the 13,200 seems high. The doc fee of $800 is very high. Did they break down what those charges are for? If you need a Honda dealer for service, I recommend Scott Honda in West Chester. I had good experience getting service at that dealership.
I hope the car purchase experience does not hurt your enjoyment of your new Honda CR-V. Enjoy your new wheels!
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I have been a Honda user for 18 years. I still have the Del Sol I bought in 1990. Now I regret that I traded my 1999 CRV EX for the 2004 EX. In an effort to cut costs the material used in the interior is cheap and not sturdy. To know the difference you need to have owned a previous version of CRV like myself. Yesterday I took my CRV back to the dealer, Connicelli Honda in Conshohocken, PA (who charged me $850 as documentatiojn fee) for a rattling noise. The Service Manager went for a drive with me and told me that the rattle is coming from the rear seat fold down mechanism and I need to make an appointment and come again to get it fixed. That is another day out of work. That is how Connicelli in Conshohocken works.
I paid $249 for a roof rack and expected the similar type of Roof rack I had in the 1999 model. Too my surprise all I got were two cross bars on my roof. These cannot be adjusted. The only extra option I paid for was the roof rack because I need it and use it a lot. In the 1999 one I had the bars caould be moved forward and backward and adjusted to the length I want so I can carry things of different length. The two bars that were put on my 2004 CRV cannot be adjusted at all and Connicelli charged me $249 for it.
In the 1999 one I had the rear seat fold down mechanism was a circular knob with a steel bar. The 2004 model has a cheap plastic hook with a brass colored rod which is so loose they rattle every time I hit a bump.
Honda cars were know for their hardiness. However they are also going the cheap way and putting cheap plastic. This will be my last Honda car. After been a Honda customer for 18 years I will never ever buy a Honda again. This coupled with the lousy deal I got from Connicelli Honda in Conshohocekn, PA and a metal clink noise htat I get from the front (which has not yet been diagnosed) has left me utterly frustrated. NO MORE HONDAS for me.
I've had my 04 for a few weeks now and TOTALLY love it. It is a vast improvement over the 1999-2002 era.
The roof rack is a non-movable carrier. I cant see a need to move the rack based on the length of the rack vs length of the car.
Anyway, I can't speak to the design issues (you either like the new design or you don't), but my 03 EX has NO rattles after 6K miles.
Did your '99 CRV have seats that reclined and moved fore/aft? That makes a lot of difference to the design, and may have influenced the Honda decision on how to build this particular part of the car.
The dealer makes the difference in the service dept. The excellent service department at Kolbe Honda, Reseda, CA, is the reason I went with that dealer. Sorry that you got a bum dealer...
I did look at the roof rack befoe I bought the CRV. What the salesperson showed me as the roof rack I am buying was exactly similar to what I had on my 1999. Even the salesperson at Connicelli was shocked when I showed him the two bars I got as the new roof rack. When Honda called me for the survey (on my cell phone) I was at the dealership and in front of the salesperson I explained to Honda that the roof rack that was put on the 2004 CRV (the two bars) was not the one the salesperson explained to me.
Yes I have been ticked off at the $850 documentation fee charged by Conicelli Honda of Conshohocken, PA. But more than that and more than the roof rack I am frustrated about the new cheap interior parts on the 2004 CRV. It is annoying to drive when there are constant rattling from the front and the rear when you are driving. In fact first I thought the rear rattle was coming from the Seat Belt buckle knocking aganst the side of the car and I went to the extent of placing a blanket to cover the seat belt because the rattling was so annoying to me. I do not know about others, I know each person is different, but I do not want to be driving a car with a constant irritating rattle. If I wanted to do that I would have kept the 1999 without trading it in which had no rattling sounds at all even after 5 years and 80,000 miles.
Have you checked out other roof racks? I personally don't have one, but I have seen other models on CR-Vs, including safari style & etc.
I have noticed that the plastic used in the interior is very prone to scratches, but I figured that is just something I have to live with in owning an 03 CRV...
Car price: $21510 (destination included)
Doc fee: $45 (feel sorry for the one who paid $850)
Total out of the door = $23815.
I've NEVER heard a complaint about the roof rack. I guess most people never have a need to adjust them. The 2002-2004's have what is kind of a built in roof rack. For the few people who need a rack, they simply buy the cross bars.
I like others, think you are upset because you think you paid too much.
And, your 1990 Del Sol is a very rare car since 1993 was the first year for them.
Just walk away - if the deal is bad then some other dealer will have a better one to offer or if they want your business, they will come chase after you. It's really that simple.
I'll add the cargo net, front splash guards, all-weather floor mats, cargo tray, and touch up paint from www.handaaccessories.com. I can easily install them all. I could have put in the moonroof visor also, but for the extra $30, I get a 3 year warranty on it instead of just 1 year. Well worth $30 and the hour or so of messing around it would have taken me to put it in.
Got a very heavy-handed push on getting the extended warranty-- to the point that the vehicle was being run down by the salesman: very complicated, too many electronic sensors, lots of things can go wrong at any time... blah blah blah. The right response would have been "Well, then, why should I be buying a Honda at all?" but having owned Hondas for the last 20 years, I've had almost more experience with the manufacturer than the salesperson has had years on this Earth. Proving once again what I've often said: we buy these products in spite of the sales people. It's the rare exception who understand the product well and represent the product fairly, which is to the detriment of both the buyer and the manufacturer. But, until someone creates a better model, it's the one we have.
But I have to say that the Internet might be that better model. Because this 'business manager' aside, the Internet sales contact I dealt with to purchase this CRV was great, and I think it's because it's already assumed that I've done my homework, I know the pricing, I know the product, all because of coming in through the Internet, rather than being an easy mark strolling in through the front door. So, we focus on the logistics of completing the sale, and not the BS of why a protection package is mandatory because I made the fatal mistake of choosing the red exterior, which everyone knows will instantly corrode and chip and peel and fall off the car unless I spend the $500 to have the dealer spray it with something (according to the 'business manager'.) It's just a crying shame that this is normal ...
I hate to see a business slandered in a public forum when they have no chance to respond.
Still, if these facts are correct, it's a shame a dealership would operate like that.
Basing a decision to never buy a certain brand of car or anything else because of the actions of ONE store doesn't make a whole lot of sense, at least to me. I think I would shop elsewhere.
If, in fact,a store is charging an 850.00 doc fee, that's nuts! We charge 35.00.
tidester, host
I don't think so. I checked with my cohost, Steve, who's been here longer than I have and he doesn't recall one either. It sounds like an interesting idea though!
tidester, host
For example the Echo. Toyota listed this as being available with ABS...sorry cant get it because the distributor would order them that way.
With Honda, the dealerships dont have to go through that. Yes, there is a difference between the LX and EX. Most of the people that buy LX's dont really care about ABS...they are more price point driven.
What is a big deal to some people is of no interest to others. Side air bags is a great example of this.
There are pros and cons for both Honda's and Toyota's approach. Honda bundles options together, staggered by trim level. So Honda EX's, on any model, are loaded and there are no further options to order. This makes shopping easier. For example, if I'm shopping the CR-V vs. the Tribute, all I have to do is find a silver CR-V EX and I'm done. For the Tribute, I need to find a rare model equipped with all the specific options I want, because almost everything is a la carte. The same is true for the RAV4 (which by the way now matches the CR-V in power and torque for 2004, at a lighter curb weight). So if you specifically can't stand having a particular feature, the a la carte companies are better for you, though it takes some work to find what you want.
I think it is ironic that car mfgs like Honda 'force' you to take a $1000 sunroof like on the EX versions, but not even give you the option of adding $250 side air bags on the LX. The only reason is more profit for the dealer and mfg on the sunroof. If side air bags are of no interest to buyers, then why did Honda make them standard on the EX?? Probably because people know that they save lives, perhaps their own childrens.This is expecially true now with all the large vehicles on the roads. If people did not care about safety, then why is there not a call for the removal of front airbags which is mandated by the government? Isn't it funny how the first thing the car mfgs do when they finally offer this safety equipment standard is to play it up in their marketing on how safe it is, but until the government or competition 'forces' them to add it, it is 'not wanted by most people'.
You are entitled to your opinions but you need to know that not everyone feels as you do.
Forgetting about Civics and moving on to CRV's.
Side airbags are optional on LX CRVS and standard on EX's.
These is so little interest/demand for side airbag LX's that some dealers don't even order any!
Personally, I think they should just add 250.00 to the price and make them standard.
You seem to think it's some evil plot or something.
No matter what a car manufacturer does they won't be able to please everyone!
MSRP: $20,660
Car: $20,200
Fog Lights: 400
Security: 300
Mud Guards: Free
Guarantee
7years/100K: 725 ($0 deductible)
Total: $21,625
Plus Tax (8.25%) + Fees, OTD is $23,531. The vehicle was purchased at Ralph Honda in Rochester, NY. Turned down an order of the same vehicle at John Holtz which also came in yesterday. So if someone is interested in the vehicle, there should be one at John Holtz.
1) Transaction Privilege Tax
2) Vehicle License Tax (VLT)
3) Registration Fee
4) Title Fee
5) Postage Fee
6) Air Quality Research Fee
7) Air Quality Compliance Sticker Fee
8) Tire Disposal Fee
The “privilege” tax is simply the sales tax – the same one (usually 8.1% in metro Phoenix) that you pay on all other retail purchases. This tax typically adds thousands of dollars to a new vehicle purchase.
The VLT is an interesting beast – and no one I know had a clue as to how it’s calculated. Here’s how: take the Base MSRP of the vehicle you’re buying, obtain its assessed value by multiplying it by .6, and multiply the product by .028. Or, more simply, just multiply the Base MSRP by .0168. This tax is much higher than in other states and adds hundreds of dollars to a new vehicle purchase.
The Registration Fee is a flat $8.00, and title is $4.00. Postage is $1.60 (apparently the VLT isn’t quite enough to cover stamps) and Air Quality Research is $1.50. The tire fee is a dollar per tire, including spare. Finally, the sticker costs a quarter – and only metro Phoenix and Tucson get the privilege.
These are precisely calculated, compulsory taxes and fees. The dealer should never inflate these, so don't them.
I agree, this is a good move for safetys sake, however, we will end up paying in higher prices.
$21,900 price (including dest)
$1,100 MD Sales Tax
$161 Tags etc.
$100 Processing
$23,261 OTD
Not an outstanding deal, but fair.
You'll love this car!
Thanks for being persistent. I e-mailed DMV and never heard from them. You've posted some valuable information for other AZ buyers.
$23,010 and they don't even have the cars on the lot. You have to wait 4-6 wks.
My folks live in Phila. I called Martin Main Line Honda, dealt with them on the telephone. Got a price of $22,600 with a cargo cover thrown in. Went there last week, the dealer drove the car to my parents house about 40 mins. from the dealership!(I went to Philly by train and my dad is handicapped so I didn't want him to drive back alone) and that was it. I never stepped in the dealership, no negotiating nothing. Just easy, polite, and I'm happy. By the way Main Line Honda gives you a free state inspection every year for the life of the car. Thats why they gave me a cargo cover instead. Now all the MA dealers are still calling me and shocked when I tell them I bought it for $400 less. Really go to this dealer and say Hermina from MA recommends them!
Just bought a car in S Cal for $23,200 out the door.