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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Looks like Renissan/Nissault might have the weirdo name thing down.

    Of course, NA does have the Juke, had the Pulsar, and I think Canuckistan got the Micra back in the 80s.

    Those Caddys are everywhere in Germany, they take the place of pickups and small SUVs, as there's not the constant need to pretend tough.
    carboy21 said:

    Twingo, Megane, Laguna ,Clio , Almeira, Micra, Pulsar, Juke, Qashqai ,Pluriel, Xsara, Elysee, Zero, Saxo, Cactus .........

    Those are car names in EU !

    LOL

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    gagrice said:

    ruking1 said:

    Heavenly snow! (Not a thing to do with TDI's!)
    http://www.skiheavenly.com/the-mountain/snow-report/snow-report.aspx

    Looks like Tahoe and Sierras may be the snow place to be this year. My sister just moved back to So Lake Tahoe after about 20 years looking for the perfect place to live. She is happy back working at the Lakeside Inn where she started in the 1980s. Same duplex and neighbor. She finally feels she is where she belongs. I love Tahoe myself. Not enough to live there in the Winter.
    I think everyone ( in the state, no less) is seriously glad for the snow, the more the better, given the 10 year drought!

    I probably shouldn't say this in print, but the Lakeside Inn is truly one of the best casinos, food places for "locals!" We bring clients, work related associates, all manner of sets of friends, & family there. People at that place seem to work very hard at making you feel welcomed & relaxed.

    I can't say I blame you about the "winter sentiment" ! ;)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    gagrice said:

    ruking1 said:

    Heavenly snow! (Not a thing to do with TDI's!)
    http://www.skiheavenly.com/the-mountain/snow-report/snow-report.aspx

    I probably shouldn't say this in print, but it's truly one of the best casinos for "locals!"
    My sister hung out there the 10 years she worked at Harvey's. I used to spend lots of time in Tahoe in the 1980s and early 90s till she moved away. The Lakeside was the main place along with The Goalpost. I remember hitting a big jackpot there on a slot machine. You must own a home there as much time as you spend. I thought about it just before my sister left for warmer climate.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    gagrice said:

    ruking1 said:

    gagrice said:

    ruking1 said:

    Heavenly snow! (Not a thing to do with TDI's!)
    http://www.skiheavenly.com/the-mountain/snow-report/snow-report.aspx

    I probably shouldn't say this in print, but it's truly one of the best casinos for "locals!"
    My sister hung out there the 10 years she worked at Harvey's. I used to spend lots of time in Tahoe in the 1980s and early 90s till she moved away. The Lakeside was the main place along with The Goalpost. I remember hitting a big jackpot there on a slot machine. You must own a home there as much time as you spend. I thought about it just before my sister left for warmer climate.
    Indeed, while the economy is "4 seasons tourist based" (my perspective only) it seems to have maintained the smaller mountain town feel (21,400 pop)

    As for warmer climate, we decided not to look for a place with AC ! ? I really wanted to populate this place with fans ( drought & all) But a general contractor that we trust said: give it a year & if we still want them, he'd be glad to put them in. In Silicon Valley, you will suffer many days without AC!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    ruking1 said:

    Slow diesel news day! $ 2.39 ULSD, $ 2.25 RUG, $ 2.51 PUG. The MB GLK 250 BT is posting (computer) about 36 mpg in 70 mph traffic, SOS/DD upgrade leg. There was a HUGE traffic jam @ the Livermore Premium Outlet Mall exit. Most of this leg was 70- 75 mph rolling TRAFFIC! (200/210 miles) Seems like a lot of people take this Black Friday shopping seriously!?

    Slow diesel news day! We filled @ Costco, Folsom, CA, ULSD at $ 2.35! The price seemed to be one of the cheapest. (Carson City, NV 111 miles away) was $2.19.). :D But I didn't check them all! NO waiting even!!? The (516 miles) MB GLK 250BT tankful posted Hard to beat the hot dog / drink prices @ $ 1.50 + tax perd 36 mpg ! With the wife driving, the rest of the (down grade) leg posted 39 mpg, in rolling 75- 85 mph traffic! ! Travel weather was crystal clear & cold, after 8 to 10 degrees @ night.

    Not sure I would recommend this, but had Pandora on the Bluetooth, Google Maps doing the navigation, iPhone was plugged in, passenger was doing a work related call on another phone!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    This one's really funny! Anybody who knows anything about the VW's diesel's air filter, intake system would probably find this a head scratcher. To others, better than a late night TV advertisement ?
    http://www.autoblog.com/2015/11/30/despite-low-cost-diesel-fix-vw-not-increasing-7-billion-fund/

    It's a bit like the BIG 3's RAM air concept & rice racer decals. Tons of (more HP) less N0X !
    A right now example,is like climate change is responsible for IS IS ! I'd want Valerie Jarrentt on this one!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I guess they could use the leftover earmarked funds for fixes in other countries. Or as leverage for staffing cuts.
  • carboy21carboy21 Member Posts: 760
    ruking1 said:

    This one's really funny, anybody who knows anything about the VW's diesels air filter system would probably find this a head scratcher.
    http://www.autoblog.com/2015/11/30/despite-low-cost-diesel-fix-vw-not-increasing-7-billion-fund/

    "The solutions, detailed in a press release, are so simple we're amazed they weren't engineered into the motors to begin with."

    Meaning this "solution" isn't going to fix much of anything.


    This comment hit the nail !!
    Its just a whitewash to fool the regulators.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    stever said:

    I guess they could use the leftover earmarked funds for fixes in other countries. Or as leverage for staffing cuts.

    Yes! I don't know the exact timing or cuts percentage, nor am I privy to ANY insider information, but I think within one year and roughly about 12.5% in cuts, starting off the fireworks.

    Don't forget that lower Saxony he is one of the few areas of Germany that has real jobs. On a broader level, they have bought into the refreshing properties of the refugee KOOL-AID!

    VW Corporate has to sell off some of those brands that are not essential & not contributing to the bottom line & greater efficiency in those pursuits.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    carboy21 said:

    ruking1 said:

    This one's really funny, anybody who knows anything about the VW's diesels air filter system would probably find this a head scratcher.
    http://www.autoblog.com/2015/11/30/despite-low-cost-diesel-fix-vw-not-increasing-7-billion-fund/

    "The solutions, detailed in a press release, are so simple we're amazed they weren't engineered into the motors to begin with."

    Meaning this "solution" isn't going to fix much of anything.


    This comment hit the nail !!
    Its just a whitewash to fool the regulators.
    Not to get all TMI on the topic, but suffice it to say the VW's diesel air intake systems are already SUPERBLY designed, albeit BUTT ugly! Sure, due to cross goals & purposes they can be improved to tweaked. This article is NOT the description of a design improvement. :s;)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    Up to & over $ 300,000 (bespoke ness) ? Underneath is a VW Touareg!? https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2017-bentley-bentayga-first-drive-1311265461346358.html
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    I'd go for a max Cayenne, this Bentley doesn't seem much of a step up.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    texases said:

    I'd go for a max Cayenne, this Bentley doesn't seem much of a step up.

    It would seem you agree with my post/s a while back that the Touareg platform, among other things is reliable, durable & versatile.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2015
    Counterpoint 10% ethanol? http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/261526-epa-unveils-contentious-ethanol-fuel-standard

    With friends like this, mpg really doesn't need enemies! ? It would seem also a lot of gasser owners don't really care or understand that all these electronic & other options options can add serious hits to mpg!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    Great fuel prices Conus (lower 48)! https://www.yahoo.com/autos/state-cheapest-gas-prices-155700508.html

    Consequences? Https://www.yahoo.com/autos/gas-prices-plummet-hybrids-and-evs-feeling-the-181921719.html

    How do you optimize large car to P/U trucks sales ? Aka, with low gas prices ?

    Gotta love these CA expensive diesel prices!

    (Costco, Folsom, CA still @ $ 2.35 ULSD, RUG $ 2.23 , PUG $ 2.47)

    (Of course, I do wish ULSD was @ $1.98, like in Georgia )

    The 36 mpg (SOS/DD) tankful posted 6.53 cents cost per mile driven: fuel. (in cold winter) Fuelly.com lists the PUG version @ 21 mpg, or 11.23 cents cpmd: fuel.

    PUG is 72% MORE! zzzzzzzzzzzz. Besides, who REALLY wants 42% less fuel consumption anyway? :DB)
  • carboy21carboy21 Member Posts: 760
    ruking1 said:

    Counterpoint 10% ethanol? http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/261526-epa-unveils-contentious-ethanol-fuel-standard

    With friends like this, mpg really doesn't need enemies! ? It would seem also a lot of gasser owners don't really care or understand that all these electronic & other options options can add serious hits to mpg!

    Ethanol is corrosive to engines and the fuel system. Corn prices will shoot up with all this ethanol for car boondoggle.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    carboy21 said:

    ruking1 said:

    Counterpoint 10% ethanol? http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/261526-epa-unveils-contentious-ethanol-fuel-standard

    With friends like this, mpg really doesn't need enemies! ? It would seem also a lot of gasser owners don't really care or understand that all these electronic & other options options can add serious hits to mpg!

    Ethanol is corrosive to engines and the fuel system. Corn prices will shoot up with all this ethanol for car boondoggle.
    The whole idea of ethanol is SO disingenuous, given the "Eco [non-permissible content removed]" "environmental" (like everyone else loves a crappy environment) narrative: "use less, less C02, less equipment damage, damage & environmental impact" mantra's, Yada, Yada! All the OPPOSITES are true!

    However, by definition, ethanol IS an alternative fuel.

    IF the MB GLK350 were E85 compatible, mpg indications are app 25% less of 21 mpg or 15.75 mpg !? On a 50 mpg Prius, it would head south to 37.5 mpg & lower!

    Another insult to injury: one pays the same amount for a far cheaper gallon ethanol than a gallon of RUG/PUG !!
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    At least 25% drop, more likely 30%.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    If a 10% ethanol blend reduces my mileage by 10% (and it does), here's the calculation I see using the numbers from my 2007 Versa that I had as ethanol hit our pumps.

    I was getting 35-36 mpg hwy, and with ethanol that immediately dropped to 31-32 mpg

    Pre-ethanol it took 10 gallons of GAS to go 350 miles

    Post-ethanol it took 11.29 gallons of FUEL to go the same 350 miles

    11.29 gallons of FUEL is 10.19 gallons of GAS and 1.1 gallons of ethanol

    Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain how we're using less gasoline.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    PF_Flyer said:

    If a 10% ethanol blend reduces my mileage by 10% (and it does), here's the calculation I see using the numbers from my 2007 Versa that I had as ethanol hit our pumps.

    I was getting 35-36 mpg hwy, and with ethanol that immediately dropped to 31-32 mpg

    Pre-ethanol it took 10 gallons of GAS to go 350 miles

    Post-ethanol it took 11.29 gallons of FUEL to go the same 350 miles

    11.29 gallons of FUEL is 10.19 gallons of GAS and 1.1 gallons of ethanol

    Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain how we're using less gasoline.

    Given your real life anecdotal example, are we having fun, spending more $$'s,paying more taxes, damaging the environment far & above just using RUG/PUG, using approximately 13% more fuel? (over RUG/PUG?) ;)

    So, ...YOUR math suggests that mandated 10% ethanol causes you to use 3% more RUG/PUG. The "narrative " professes that you use LESS RUG/PUG !

    I am sure that you see the layering of onions here. Given the 95% to 97% PVF gasser of 269.3 M, 2013 NHTSA figures. 13% more use over 10% that you bought is a huger loss over a very huge loss. So do you believe burning MORE creates less CO2 and less N0x? :D You also need to keep in mind that the gasser emissions systems are NOT designed to mitigate ethanol emissions!
  • carboy21carboy21 Member Posts: 760
    edited December 2015
    Ethanol blending in gas is a political decision and was never based on environmental concerns. It is to help the corn husker lobby in Iowa
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Heh... didn't mean to swing us away from diesel...

    How long does it take for the whole VW thing to shake out? If diesel was "progressing", how many steps does it have to retrace (if any at all)?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    PF_Flyer said:

    Heh... didn't mean to swing us away from diesel...

    How long does it take for the whole VW thing to shake out? If diesel was "progressing", how many steps does it have to retrace (if any at all)?

    No, not at all, it highlights the diesel advantage!! Your post & math brings out another 3% wrinkle! that most will NOT grasp! , let alone ignore! So it begs the question that defacto everyone knows the answers to! Which is better? (Like model?& pretend E85) 21 mpg? 36 mpg? 15.75 mpg?

    Over all, not long @ all. So if VW sells 23% diesel, and takes a 10% (overall) hair cut for " the fiasco", the loss is 2.3%

    I think this is sort of like pruning of fruit trees, I am sure if you are the tree, it hurts. It also lets the other auto diesel OEMs expand.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    I'm suppose the non-automotive-centric public is more what I'm thinking about when it comes to their perception of the diesel advantage and how many steps back it has taken because of the VW thing. All they hear and see are the "Diesels Cheat" headlines
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    November VW sales down 24% from 2014, 100% for diesels plus 9% for gassers. Not good.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    texases said:

    November VW sales down 24% from 2014, 100% for diesels plus 9% for gassers. Not good.

    14 Nov sales 31,725,(-minus) 15 Nov sales 23,882. <-7,843>. So assuming (a self inflicted) diesel NON 15 sales of 7,614, (24.7% normal diesel sales) this means VW lost app -229 gasser sales. (tad under minus- 1%= .0096%)

    So overall, VW did not increase gasser sales to make up for " no diesel" sales inventory. IF they HAD, they would have increased gasser sales app 32%! That would have been MONSTER & way beyond "normal " expectations.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Not a good month but perhaps it was the huge publicity blip that caught up with VW. As dieselgate fades VW should come back. Some new iron would help too. But November was awful, considering:

    "November was another monster month for the auto industry, with car and truck sales accounting for a SAAR around 18.2 million (just shy of Edmunds' forecast of 18.3 million)." (from a PR today from us)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    It would've been nice if VW had just matched some of the name plates that have done well!
    It is actually interesting that one of the more exciting, the Golf is more tha 42 years old (1974) : on the NEW MQB platform.

    An interesting take on FORD! https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/fords-big-sale-failed-because-people-dont-have-222856471.html
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    carboy21 said:

    Ethanol blending in gas is a political decision and was never based on environmental concerns. It is to help the corn husker lobby in Iowa

    Higher % ethanol? Even lower mph?
    https://www.yahoo.com/autos/feds-push-more-ethanol-into-gasoline-but-will-164706945.html
    17 dying car models, not a diesel on the list? https://www.yahoo.com/autos/the-death-list-17-cars-that-1312151609933878.html
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    I don't know if we have covered this, but, the POTUS's limo is Cadillac 1 ONE, Diesel 1 ONE! ? http://www.leftlanenews.com/the-beast-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-presidents-limo.html

    8 mpg! What would a gas or gas hybrid get? 4/5 mpg?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Too bad it can't get over a speed bump. Should have armored up an Escalade. (youtube)
  • carboy21carboy21 Member Posts: 760
    ruking1 said:

    I don't know if we have covered this, but, the POTUS's limo is Cadillac 1 ONE, Diesel 1 ONE! ? http://www.leftlanenews.com/the-beast-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-presidents-limo.html

    8 mpg! What would a gas or gas hybrid get? 4/5 mpg?

    It should be made to run on 100% Ethanol to make Al Gore happy.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    And folks wonder why CUV/SUV 's sell like gangbusters? :D For almost every "urban" city/ area that I've ever been, seems like off-road vehicles are the best choice!

    So for example, in the city of San Francisco, you can tell a urban sedan, because they need about $2000 each for the front & rear bumpers in parking ding repairs! On my first TLC with 250,000 miles with "Smitty Built" powder coated tube bumpers, neither had so much so much as a paint scratch!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    carboy21 said:

    ruking1 said:

    I don't know if we have covered this, but, the POTUS's limo is Cadillac 1 ONE, Diesel 1 ONE! ? http://www.leftlanenews.com/the-beast-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-presidents-limo.html

    8 mpg! What would a gas or gas hybrid get? 4/5 mpg?

    It should be made to run on 100% Ethanol to make Al Gore happy.
    LOL! Oh, you mean 2.25 mpg to 3 mpg ! ? ;)

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    And hey, there's nothing else we do with corn...
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2015
    They should be growing switchgrass between the rows of solar panels. B)

    Unfazed by dieselgate, Volvo rolls out new sedan (firstpost.com - not clear if they are bringing the diesel flavor to the US though)

    Lots more competition for EV fuel. Where it's still illegal, the pressure is on diesel fuel to run the off-grid power generators. Pot growers pressure the grid (cortezjournal.com)

    And this is interesting:

    2017 Chevy Cruze hatchback spied for the first time, coming to US (worldcarfans.com)

    "Chevrolet has already confirmed the five-door Cruze hatchback will be available in United States and it also said a diesel engine will be introduced sometime in 2017. "
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    PF_Flyer said:

    And hey, there's nothing else we do with corn...

    There is a "KERNAL" of truth to your remark! But it might be hiding the rest of the cobs' contents! American universities & industres can R&D & bring corn based products formerly provided by a petroleum product!

    Getting rid of diesel is really a fools errand ! IF the Eco [non-permissible content removed] could wave their magic wands & make everything on electrical, one consequence would : EXPONENTIALLY increase the dependence on nuclear: fission & fusion, coal, & natural gas !
  • carboy21carboy21 Member Posts: 760
    ruking1 said:

    carboy21 said:

    ruking1 said:

    I don't know if we have covered this, but, the POTUS's limo is Cadillac 1 ONE, Diesel 1 ONE! ? http://www.leftlanenews.com/the-beast-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-presidents-limo.html

    8 mpg! What would a gas or gas hybrid get? 4/5 mpg?

    It should be made to run on 100% Ethanol to make Al Gore happy.
    LOL! Oh, you mean 2.25 mpg to 3 mpg ! ? ;)

    I would be very angry if "the beast" does not pass the EPA/CARB Nox emissions test
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    carboy21 said:

    ruking1 said:

    carboy21 said:

    ruking1 said:

    I don't know if we have covered this, but, the POTUS's limo is Cadillac 1 ONE, Diesel 1 ONE! ? http://www.leftlanenews.com/the-beast-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-presidents-limo.html

    8 mpg! What would a gas or gas hybrid get? 4/5 mpg?

    It should be made to run on 100% Ethanol to make Al Gore happy.
    LOL! Oh, you mean 2.25 mpg to 3 mpg ! ? ;)

    I would be very angry if "the beast" does not pass the EPA/CARB Nox emissions test
    Geez, where are those EPA/CARB people when you need em, eh?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    texases said:

    November VW sales down 24% from 2014, 100% for diesels plus 9% for gassers. Not good.

    Simple math. VW was selling 23% diesels. They were taken off the market so 24% decrease is what they get. No one looking to buy a VW diesel would settle for a gas version. Just wait until the storm passes and buy a diesel. Probably explains why I cannot find a late model VW Golf diesel for a decent price right now. Only one in a 250 mile radius.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    PF_Flyer said:

    And hey, there's nothing else we do with corn...

    Tortillas!!! much better use of corn. Of course most of the soda pop people drink is mostly corn. Chickens like it and I love eggs and chicken.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    In a very practical way, VW A is probably glad they did not over amp gasser production, than they could sell before the VW diesel brouhaha. This is also a signal (to me that when things get back to normal), VW A still plans to sell 24 % plus diesels. All my family have shown clear preferences for the TDI's!

    In slow diesel day news, Diesel HPR (Propel) is @ $2.39. E85 @ $ 2.19. Hangtown prices.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    For you in favor of EVs, I parked at Kohl's this morning next to their EV charging stations. Both had out of order signs on them. Price of electricity I would not be giving it away. So the Feds will pay to put in the charging station and then the business is stuck with the monthly electric charges. Dumb
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    gagrice said:

    For you in favor of EVs, I parked at Kohl's this morning next to their EV charging stations. Both had out of order signs on them. Price of electricity I would not be giving it away. So the Feds will pay to put in the charging station and then the business is stuck with the monthly electric charges. Dumb

    It is inexplicable why EV folks can't see this !? I'm going to scratch my head on that one! In San Francisco, CA there were over 15,776 REPORTED vehicle break-ins last year! (perhaps people in other cities can chime in those stats) In addition almost all the parking meters are habitually & eventually vandalized! So the nexus is very simple: ( for those that refuse to see) a charging station will be one more thing to ... vandalize! So what kinds of liability claims will be the norm for electrocutions?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    edited December 2015
    gagrice said:
    November VW sales down 24% from 2014, 100% for diesels plus 9% for gassers. Not good.
    Simple math. VW was selling 23% diesels. They were taken off the market so 24% decrease is what they get. No one looking to buy a VW diesel would settle for a gas version. Just wait until the storm passes and buy a diesel. Probably explains why I cannot find a late model VW Golf diesel for a decent price right now. Only one in a 250 mile radius.
    Not this time. Gassers sales dropped 9%, unlike previous months. 
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    texases said:


    gagrice said:

    November VW sales down 24% from 2014, 100% for diesels plus 9% for gassers. Not good.
    Simple math. VW was selling 23% diesels. They were taken off the market so 24% decrease is what they get. No one looking to buy a VW diesel would settle for a gas version. Just wait until the storm passes and buy a diesel. Probably explains why I cannot find a late model VW Golf diesel for a decent price right now. Only one in a 250 mile radius.

    Not this time. Gassers sales dropped 9%, unlike previous months. 

    The references were posted (for one to run/check) . They do NOT support what has been,is, & continuing to be inferred.

    I do think the misinformation supports the narrative that the VW's are facing shots from the cosmic death platform.not doing well! (aka, as well as it is).

    Like I've said in the past posts , IF VW doesn't know how to use all this FREE publicity, shame on them! But the articles indicate they do have at the worst, a rudimentary understanding.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    LA LA land SQMD statistic document a mircroscopic portion in comparison! http://www.wsj.com/articles/out-of-bounds-co2-clouds-emissions-tallying-1449107855

    That is why they don't even dare to document places that has active Volcano's, like ... Hawaii

    So even as the article tries to get arms around the issues, it totally leaves out N0x, for example.

    What also has to be understood, environmental lobby's ARE special interest groups!! They have always acted to cripple to annihilate other special interest groups!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2015
    The "good" thing about dieselgate is that it is shedding more scrutiny on other emissions, as shown by the tanker photo accompanying the WSJ story.



    The caption didn't note whether the freighter was hauling diesel VW engines to Rotterdam. :p
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2015
    stever said:

    The "good" thing about dieselgate is that it is shedding more scrutiny on other emissions, as shown by the tanker photo accompanying the WSJ story.



    The caption didn't note whether the freighter was hauling diesel VW engines to Rotterdam. :p

    Really, it's a total waste of time! Bunker oil can be past 25,000 ppm sulfur vs 15 ppm, 5 to 10 ppm @ the pumps for diesel cars. So you think VW diesel emissions are felonious! ?
    Ships are also totally FREE of emissions controls!

    That is so very true when the answers are so very easy: make all these kind of ships nuclear powered! :D OR EV! ;)
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    gagrice said:

    For you in favor of EVs, I parked at Kohl's this morning next to their EV charging stations. Both had out of order signs on them. Price of electricity I would not be giving it away. So the Feds will pay to put in the charging station and then the business is stuck with the monthly electric charges. Dumb

    Hmm, wonder if they were out of order - or the company just put up the sign to keep folks from using free electricity?

    I don't use public chargers anymore, but that is because I prefer to charge my C-Max Energi at night when it is cooler. I can always run the engine if I expend my main battery charge.

    Back on topic, my Energi will get about 65 MPGe overall, making it much more efficient than the VW Passat TDI we own for in-town use. On the road the two are pretty similar at 70 MPH, above that the TDI has the advantage by a wide margin (4 MPG better at 80 MPH).
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