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btw Sneakers, my wife doesn't know that her house is on Zillow, so when you see her next, mum's the word.
For folks that can conduct business during a "non productive" commuting time, it can be a huge productivity gain. The key of course is to be as safe or safer, as if one is in the office. So for example, commuting is app 3 hrs per day, ( 15 hours week, 37.5 % of a 40 hour week) x however many people, in our case up to 3.
So itr's a bit oxymoronic that governments both complains about, mitigates & enforces long commutes.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Very uneventful, less than two hours. I did tell them not to rotate and mess with tires. Discount tire does that free every 5k miles. I am supposed to have totally free service the first 48k miles, including brakes. So not sure why they wanted to charge me $60 for an air filter. Ordered on Amazon Prime $14. They don't put any prices so not sure what this service will cost after 4 years or 48K miles?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mjf45hfje/las-cruces-nm/
Also overheard that Edmunds got a '16 Prius for the long term fleet. But alcohol was involved so who knows.
@gagrice, my limited experience is that Zillow numbers are low. Kind of like how tax appraisals are often low in many areas compared to market value.
Hey. wait a minute. Who said I was retired? That low walkability rank in the Forbes link kind of nailed it for me. I'm in a high hikeability area but can't walk or bike for the post office or the library.
In September, U.S. environmental regulators and Transport Canada announced they would review all current diesel passenger cars, trucks and SUVs for sale to ensure that they did not have "defeat devices."
U.S. approves 2016 BMW diesel X5 SUV after EPA review (Reuters)
Is it possible that BMW being the largest exporter of USA made vehicles played a part? Not saying the EPA could be bought off. We know that would never happen in the least corrupt government in the World.
I am waiting for the MB GLC 300D to show up. They are not listed yet on the EPA site.
Then I learn it does not have a diesel engine option. $300k and no diesel engine. What are they thinking? It does have a Breitling clock.
But the coolest (and most appalling) thing in the Bentayga interior is the optional Breitling clock set atop the dashboard. It’s available in either white or rose gold, with a face of black or white mother-of-pearl, and studded with eight diamonds. Cost? 150,000 euros, or about $160,000. C&D
I guess I will stick with VW's little brother to the Bentley Bentayga for now. Has Edmunds done a test drive yet?
We know that would never happen in the least corrupt government in the World
Were you being sarcastic when saying the above, gagrice? Or do you really believe the U.S. has the least corrupt government of them all? Watch out - loaded question here!
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
More on-topic, barely noticed, seamless diesels.
In the process of hosting a very long time friend (happens to be an airline pilot- who was with us for app a day & one/ half) we racked up several hundred miles in two diesels. I backed off my normal "run it hard put it away wet" mode (old home week conversations, car meetings, etc. ) . I also dont talk about diesels to friends, unless they bring it up. So after a few hundred miles in various short trips, we were standing in front of the MB GLK 250 BT, when the wife started it up to back out of the driveway. He looks at me asking, is that a diesel? I just off-handedly said yes, & we were off on another topic.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
($1.79 RUG, $2.22 PUG)!
Buying CA local ULSD @ $2.23.
($2.13 RUG, PUG@ $2.37)
Our daughter came home for Christmas & is playing tour guide to some of her class mates.
Snow is in the Tahoe area! (SOS/DD trek)
I hope everybody's going to have a Merry Christmas!
Mpg numbers are seemingly unaffected by"winters" onset. So TDI 's are unchanged @ 50, 40, 36, 33 mpg's . Gassers (my) normally would take a 10 to 15% "winter hit".
I watch the Motor Week's episode where the Chevrolet's 16 Silverado 2500 HD diesel posted 18.1 miles a gallon. That mpg didn't sound very impressive, but compared to the gassers normal 13.7 to 14.3 mpg , that 29% BETTER! When you compare 380 # ft of torque versus 769 # ft of torque, ....there's almost no comparison!
Too bad GM didn't include gas hybrids, E85, EV.. Options. I am guessing those numbers would not be very impressive over gas!? Indeed E 85 is app 25 to 30 % less than gas @ 10 to 10.5 mpg?
Don't get used to cheap gas? http://www.thestreet.com/story/13390537/1/why-oil-is-about-to-start-a-huge-multi-month-rally.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO
http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=diesel
http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=gasoline
The 1 cent higher price of ULSD is interesting in light of the TMI baggage discussed on this board: facts/ fictions & other realities probably too numerous to mention.
Suffice to say, it exposes a lot of hater arguments as fiction, especially in light of the 10 gals of ULSD to 19 gals of gasoline from a (42 gal) barrel of oil. If one cent more is (hater) proof positive, then I submit there are opaque issues: related & unrelated.
While there is/are always variance in prices & pricing, if one does the comparative overlays (above web sites)the prices are by in large lock step!
And yep, the car purposely dropped power at certain rpms.
DIESELGATE TEST
Does the Volkswagen Jetta 1.4T Render the Diesel Engine Pointless? (Consumer Reports)
CR's now behind a paywall...too bad.Now I can see it!
But that brings up a point I wondered about when the first diesel Rabbits made their appearance - how much difference would there have been between one of those old diesel Rabbits and a gasser Rabbit with the same (anemic) performance?
Now days, diesels are much better, but so are gassers, as that CR article shows (I assume).
btw @ruking1, what's wrong with being a hater? I have strong opinions about liver and onions too, and I have a basis for my opinion.
Make that 1.4 L gasser vs 1.4 L TDI & I might be curious. Till then, advantage TDI! . If it is mpg that's the concern, why not let VW bring the old 75 mpg TDI Polo?
CR worked for me. I would have to drive the 1.4L Jetta to make any judgement.
I wonder how many people refuse to have the fix done if it does lose power? You could always take it in before selling it, so that it complies. At least in states where they test diesels. I only see 9 states that test diesel cars. So you could sell in one of the 41 states without worrying about it. Same goes for owners of VW TDI. I don't think the EPA has any testing facilities. So it is up to the individual if they feel so inclined.
Question is will it ?
Hybrids pollute the world with Lithium in someone else's back yard.
Historically in times of low to lower fuel prices, the emphasis from all the OEMs has been on more power (aka less mpg?). Great times for (75% of the market) mid sized cars to light trucks!!!? For very new compact ( 25% of the market) models, the jury is still out. Additionally, the real test would be 1.4 L gas/TDI. I suspect the advantage still goes to TDI. All this talk of gasser Renaissance is WAY premature !
One does NOT see a major migration from VW's real nice 1.8 L engine to its more fuel economic 1.4 L . Will there be those that do? Absolutely & undoubtably! In fact, there are some that have highlighted the drop in VW gasser sales! Then, more recently deny even remembering saying that!?
From my point of view, gas (21 mpg) vs diesel (36 mpg) (like vs like, MB GLK 350/250BT) really does not change the metics ratios much., other than TDI's become even cheaper to operate: by itself & against gassers i.e., great times to operate/own like model TDI's. (cpmd: fuel 11.1 cents/6.1 cents)
In addition, indexmundi.com diesel/gasoline overlays going back 30 years, indicate the gasoline/diesel prices go up & down virtually in lock step. So, given ratios, this is HUGE ! HUGE ! HUGE ! , even as it is boring....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... !
So even @ today's lower prices $2.35 PUG/ $ 2.19 ULSD, (12 years/180,000 miles) posts $20,143-$10,950=$9,193. saved. ($766. per year.) Anyone can run $ 4.00/$10per gal gas/diesel scenarios.
Of course, it goes without saying that the gasser/TDI engine size mismatch is enormous! 3.5 L- 2.1 L = 1.4 L bigger or 67% !
MB BT is -$500 MSRP LESS! MB is the test case for diesel sales @ par to lower than (advertised) gasser prices!
I have also gotten two diesels @ like model gasser prices. The first one I paid a $236 premium, which as you know I sweated
All signs point to advantage & bullish diesels!
My take? Those are some of the real reasons why they are in the gun sights in the jihad against diesels!
I hope this means another $ 500 to $1000 gift card & $500 to 1,000 dealer credit scenario& free 3 yr/36,000 miles road assis ! A fair buyback would make cpmd: depreciation almost silly! I am almost starting to regret buying the MB instead of another Touareg TDI!
Truthfully, the 2016 TP's real world mpg does not seem to be much different then the 12/13 year old 2004 T Prius' (43/44 mpg), EPA 60 c/50 h mpg. Even Prius had to add more power!
Trust me, I did NOT write this, I only read the tea leaves (as a consumer) and then apply logic/s. I am neither a gasser, gas hybrid, EV, etc., hater! https://www.yahoo.com/autos/switching-world-electric-vehicles-way-longer-think-120000522.html
So does one know why people keep their gasser cars 11/12 years? They even complain about a diesel premium that in most cases will save them monies! Easy, because new cars are ALREADY WAY too expensive!!! Even with record high new car 2015 sales projected @ over 17.5M: USED car sales are even higher! Funny, used gas hybrid, EV sales are not good @ all!?
So they want to make EV even more so expensive$$$ ! if so, then I'd say that this article is wildly optimistic ! If you believe the articles about 2/3 rds of Tesla's having the statistical probability of drive train (EV) failure @ 60,000 miles. Oh man !
Paying 5-8 thousand premium over a gasser will never recover the costs .
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
That shipping info is right in line with @ruking1 's comments that we're in for a glut of diesel.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
How about we stick to diesel talk eh?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460