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Will any of the affected TDI's be destined to follow Mrs. Murray's 2009 TLC? http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-travels-of-mrs-murrays-toyota-unveils-terror-finance-network-1482163526
The wife was reading an online USA Today article indicating 2009-2012 Touareg TDI's are buy back @ "retail" candidates, as there are no agreements to "older" TDI fixes or timetables. If there are no agreements &/or approvals, my take was 100% buy back. The court set Spring 2017 to revisit "progress".
It makes me wonder if the writers that cough up these articles, even know what they are writing about.
ON a positive note, VW USA sales were up 24.2% over November 2015. So I guess VW is able to sell cars without diesel option. At least to 29,672 buyers in November. Audi seems to have withstood the scandal. 71 straight months of increased sales. Gas SUVs, are big sellers. Why I have no idea.
2012 and 2013 are not the same.
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So now (to me) the questions are: what are the emissions $$'s penalties, TBD smaller penalties, VW's definition of "retail", & if it's merely model specific September 2015 KBB prices. The various articles imply it "could, should, will be" much "richer" compensation/s aka, close to what was paid "retail" when new!
If you want an S model, I say get the S3 or S4 or TTS.
Another host once documented a year or so ago that Edmunds.com documented over 600 variations.
Off-topic, so if you think that your are burning 22 mpg, gasoline (when you could be burning 36 mpg ULSD )to save this ... https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/3c4e06ee-e941-307a-8a89-722275ae2335/ss_why-nobody-needs-to-freak-out.html don't freak! Burn more! Not less!
http://www.asealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/3.0L-V6-TDI-Engine.pdf
http://www.trucktrend.com/news/1401-audis-second-generation-30l-v-6-torque/
More OT, but I saw some camel saddle bags for sale today, from the Tuareg tribe. No VW logos on them.
(there will be adjustments for OEM equipment, as listed in the NADA guide, as well)
Plus an adjustment addition for your local sales tax
Plus $720.
Not nearly as generous as the 2.0 buyback plan.
2009-2012 will not be offered a modification, it doesn't look like, and 2013+ will not be offered a buyback.
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I was on Facebook with a friend (former LEO ) getting 20 mpg on a (gasser) 14 Toyota Highlander, who drives in my "area", but in a different section. Even @ that, there are significant (40% to 65%) differences in mpg: gasoline/ULSD. (20/28/33 mpg)
Over 100,000 miles, it does raise questions. Why use 3,030/3,571 gals of ULSD, when 5,000 gals of RUG will do? (Burn more, not less: while professing to burn less, philosophy? )
That being said, TDI's start at a minimum of 33% mpg advantage over like model/competitors CUV's in our cases) GASSERS. Gasser/hybrids gain 1 mpg & @ most 2 mpg.
Difference between 2.0 and 3.0 buyback
Average retail 09/15 vs. clean retail 11/15.
No adjustment for sales tax vs. sales tax adjustment
$2900 additional vs. $720 additional.
More or less..
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So using ball park figures, post low $30k (NADA est .,31.6k/32.6k = 27k/28k. KBB +3.87k tax + .720) for 12 Touareg TDI.
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Merry Christmas to everyone!
For the greater board, truly many things can go into ones' mpg/s. Using diesel vs a like model gasser should now be an obvious HUGE advantage (33mpg vs 20 mpg gas 12 VW Touareg) . This is not even to mention that IF 60% of the passenger vehicle fleet were diesel, we'd consume WAY less barrels of oil! (easily 50% less) This would be sans the deniers to I don't care crowds, etc.
Remember, what gasser gasser/hybrid owners are being told, to defacto ok with: burning 33 to 65% MORE is less pollutive than burning ... LESS!
The trick & balance are to put as many advantages on ones' side, if "optimized" mpg is a priority.
So one might correctly observe, I try to put all the advantages on my side. Then oxymoronically, then "hammer" the vehicle by not " Gerdes" rizing my mpg, i.e., going 5 to 10 mpg UNDER the (65mph) speed limit.
Speaking of painful auto scandals... http://finance.yahoo.com/m/63dff1f3-5af3-37ec-bf50-bb0d0e1b31bc/10-of-the-most-brutally.html
The CHP seemed to be out in full force. All seemed to be off on the "customer" service lanes.
The wife & I sat in the rear of the MB GLK 250BT, while the youngest daughter drove. We were particularly happy to be in the backseat, as the upcoming wine tastings were particularly full this year: cabs, merlots, zinfandels, pinot noir, chards, etc. The youngest has wine maker friends sets, (UC Davis wino grads, aka, exec management, viticulture & enology) http://wineserver.ucdavis.edu but she normally stays in hotels, when they GTG, so she doesn't have to drive. So this trip, she was fine being the designated driver. Local home brewed & home town coffee roaster blends were very very tasty.
The Bay Area & Pacific Ocean, Bay & Richmond Bridges & Port of Oakland & oil & gas refinery views were spectacularly stunning with CRYSTAL CLEAR atmospheres in the panoramas. Docked ocean worthy sail boats were dressed in twinkling Christmas lighting regalia . Even docked oil tankers were bathed in Christmas lighting! We even reminisced, zipping past (the old alma mater) Berkeley exits. (not in chronological order)
The low fuel lamp lit during the return leg. I'm guessing the ULSD tank full will be pretty close to 36 to 38 mpg. We will refuel today for a (70 miles) R/T to the airport. We will be going to South Lake Tahoe, CA, to make sure it's still there, later on in the week. Snow is actually expecte, the first days of the new year! ?
So I hope all had a very Merry Christmas! I wish all a very happy & prosperous New Year . Diesel on!
(And "diesel on"? I thought the new engines fixed that old problem.
Can't imagine a better mix of comfort and economy.
Then (still) the 2014-2015 MB 2.1 L BT, with the 7 speed A/T is a keeper! With chain control requirements, I'd still chose the 4matic CUV, in our case GLK 250BT.
Interesting surprise, two small earthquakes!
The news made the LA LA Times!?
http://southtahoenow.com/story/12/28/2016/large-hawthorne-earthquake-felt-all-over-lake-tahoe-and-northern-nevada
Diesel Engines and U.S. Market Not Good Fit (Wards Auto)
"What were they thinking? I believe they got carried away by their diesel success in Europe and forgot customers and markets are different. Products need to be developed to satisfy consumer desires, not the other way around.
For now, it seems VW has learned its painful lesson and will invest in new technologies and products that better fit with market demands. Electrified powertrains, connected cars and autonomous driving all are high priorities now. It’s just unfortunate the automaker had to go through an existential crisis to figure that out.
How much progress could have been made if all these efforts and funds had been directed from the very beginning toward technology progress and innovation?"
It's the laws of physics that VW had trouble with.
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EVs without some very big breakthrough in battery technology will not be more than a commuter solution. It is all about social engineering. Now the Chinese will take camless gas engines to the next level extending the internal combustion engine at least a few more decades. Still will not match diesel for economy.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a31657/koenigseggs-camless-engine-getting-close-to-production-in-china/
Technically, that particular camless engine is Swedish, just being produced (reliability unknown) by our most favored "partner". Some can't wait to buy cars from that regime.
i.e., where are their pickups?
Very true Christian von Koenigsegg invented the engine and the Chinese saw something they liked and brought him on board. Our automakers are far too arrogant to accept the fact that not all inventions come from the big companies. I would bet within 5 years we are flooded with Cheap Chinese cars. Especially small gas and EV models. China controls the resources needed for high tech manufacturing processes. We shut down our dirty mines and closed the land to further development. So anything electric will be built in China. Or we will pay huge prices for the rare earth elements needed. Even with high tariffs we are not likely to be competitive in the future.
It'll be interesting to see if the upcoming regime either repeals regulation to let Murka become an environmental criminal like our "partner", or enacts compensatory measures on imports from said "partner" to make up for their questionable means of production.
Camless engines are interesting, but have not been proven in large scale manufacturing or widespread heavy use. I think that's a key reason why the big boys haven't ran with it - lots of risk. A million defective engines would create legal issues to make dieselgate look like Disneyland.
VW even tried to foist a rebadged Caravan with non-folding seats on us.
Looking at the Canyon up 43% and Colorado up 39%. They do not break out diesel sales that I can find.
Electric cars aren't even popular with the climateers! http://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-cars-still-unpopular-with-buyers-and-unprofitable-for-sellers-1482940661
I find it hard to believe that the buyers of big American diesel trucks would flock to a small VW. Even the smaller GM diesel is a niche product, outsold handily by larger models. And even if VW was able to sell some, would they sell enough to justify the costs of bringing a model to market? I have to believe VW has studied the issue in more detail than any of us here. The money is still in the huge production full size models, which VW does not have. Bring over the Anorak, it would develop a cult like the Ridgeline, and that's it. And if it has classic VW QC issues, well, good luck.
The Wards opinion piece masquerading as a legit article was based on VW chasing diesel over EV.
And that Smart cars were a good idea.
And BMW, are they profitable with MINI?
Saw a yellow Lambo yesterday; nice!
Uptick in hybrid sales marks another blow to diesel cars (autoweek.com)
"Bloomberg reports Toyota expects to see a 40 percent jump in the annual sales of gas-electric hybrids this year, with these vehicles on track to make up more than 50 percent of Toyota's sales in the region." The region being the European mainland.
This one focuses on pickups, sounds like a bit of a rehash of the prior suit that must still be pending somewhere:
A Second Lawsuit Accuses Fiat Chrysler Of Cheating On Diesel Emissions (Jalopnik)
Okay, one for the fans:
Jaguar's diesel XE R-Sport delivers fun, cachet, 40 mpg (chron.com)