Real-World Trade-In Values

28firefighter

Honestly, it needs to be reliable enough as a DD to get me 1 mile to the gym and 5 miles to Sam's daycare. And back. That's it. Other than that it's my own weekend cruising, which isn't a necessity.

stickguy

Sounds like my needs. But, me going junker would be predicated on modernizing the wife’s car.

So in theory I could flip the Elantra to the kid, trade the RDX in on a new CUV for the wife, and get a cheap spare car for local use only.

That plan, sounds like it has legs. I still end up with one car payment.

Reminds me, Lexus just sent a coupon. Test drive an RDX XL, and get a $75 gift card. Me and the princess will be hitting that up next week!

steine13

Make that 166k miles.
I had made up the earlier number to get q out of vapor lock

Then I had the glorious idea to search the local craigs for 'LS400' and found this from two weeks ago:
https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d/1998-lexus-ls400/6576955367.html

It even has the VIN, which combined with a $20 and a smile, would probably yield two or three pounds of paper at the local Lexus dealer... JT8BH28F9WOO99608

Man I need this the way I need mumps but it does call to me.

Mr_Shiftright

One-owner car! Serviced mostly at the Lansing dealer.

smiton

Hello

Am hoping to get an estimate for the following vehicle:

2017 Honda Accord Sport SE Silver (4 door) with black leather, 11500 miles.

Would assess the condition as very good (no dings, scratches, or accidents). Vehicle is in Northern Va 

Thanks in advance,

stickguy

CVT I assume on the Accord?

chrisk327

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car.
2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue.
it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

stickguy

Mr_Shiftright said:

One-owner car! Serviced mostly at the Lansing dealer.

this is exactly the type of car I like to see if rolling the dice on a cheap, high mile unit.

actually, 3 (4 now?) years ago when I sold the TL, that was also 1 owner (sorta, family car I bought from my sister) with full service history, always at the dealer. And that had 175K on it (original tranny too!). I sold that off CL for $2,700. So yes, I would buy that LS for $2,500 assuming a peak underneath did not cause horror on my face due to rust.

Mr_Shiftright

chrisk327 said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car.
2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue.
it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

cdnpinhead

steine13 said:

Make that 166k miles. I had made up the earlier number to get q out of vapor lock

I read every one of your posts, and this is part of why. Well done!

explorerx4

Steine13 will pay extra due to the Spartans badge on the grille.

tj11119

Q, I wasn't successful on my try for the 2009 convert, so how does a 2012 128i coupe look? 61k Automatic, blue ext/oyster (white) interior, looks like a base model in SF area? Dealer priced it at 11.9k

qbrozen

smiton said:

Hello

Am hoping to get an estimate for the following vehicle:

2017 Honda Accord Sport SE Silver (4 door) with black leather, 11500 miles.

Would assess the condition as very good (no dings, scratches, or accidents). Vehicle is in Northern Va 

Thanks in advance,

About $20k

qbrozen

Mr_Shiftright said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car. 2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue. it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Or, if you already have the carfax, post a link. 

qbrozen

tijuana19 said:

Q, I wasn't successful on my try for the 2009 convert, so how does a 2012 128i coupe look? 61k Automatic, blue ext/oyster (white) interior, looks like a base model in SF area? Dealer priced it at 11.9k

11.9 is pretty darned fair. That's 2500 over auction value, which is typically my target when shopping. If it has any needs, start deducting. If it really is lacking luxury features you expect, that can hold it back, as well.

tj11119

Thanks again Q, I might go take a look if it's still available, dealer said they have a couple of people interested.

Truthfully I really want one with the manual trans, but I get a feeling that 95% of all of the 1-series are automatics. Do you see some manual trans 128's actually showing up on the auction block or are they as rare as I believe? I guess I could wait for a low mileage manual, but I get a feeling it's not going to be easy.

kyfdx

tijuana19 said:

Thanks again Q, I might go take a look if it's still available, dealer said they have a couple of people interested.

Truthfully I really want one with the manual trans, but I get a feeling that 95% of all of the 1-series are automatics. Do you see some manual trans 128's actually showing up on the auction block or are they as rare as I believe? I guess I could wait for a low mileage manual, but I get a feeling it's not going to be easy.

Check classifieds on BMW-centric sites like BimmerFest or BMWCCA

I think a stick-shift coupe could show up... I see them from time to time.

qbrozen

Just checked all 2010-2014 128i coupes and came upon 3 manuals, 2 of which had well over 100k miles. All told, about 30 cars, so 10% manual from that small sample.

stickguy

i think the manuals are so desirable for the diehards, that they rarely come up for sale, and if they do, don't really hit the mainstream sites.

corvette

Yeah, they probably sell quicker due to the rarity. 

kyfdx

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12498104&postcount=2

steine13

>> i think the manuals are so desirable for the diehards
Ja.
This is what I get for teaching my little girl to drive stick.
The Lexus got shot down because "I'll just as soon drive the minivan."
The new Cruze got shot down because once Mademoiselle is back at school, it's another car we don't need. Or so I'm told.

OK then. Viable manuals are exceedingly thin on the ground. There's an '11 Jetta SE with 141k that looks clean for $5k asking price at a rural dealer.... an hour away. I mean, really? Looks clean, though.

I honestly don't think the manuals are *that* unpopular; what happened is they went sub-critical. Not readily available and not that big a deal to most folks. Now young people who are so inclined cannot find cars to learn on. There is a minor backlash where sticks actually sell pretty fast under the right conditions.. but it's too little too late. Compared to things that really matter, this isn't a big deal but it's kind of sad.

I just found another -- 2012 Fiesta 'SE' -- the one with cruise control and power windows -- plus it's a hatchback -- 141k miles, clean history, asking $3,900. At a Dodge dealer 20 minutes away. I guess we'll see if we like it.

At least I'm doing my part!
-m

chrisk327

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car.
2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue.
it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below.

JF1VA2M65G9810636

Thanks
Chris

stickguy

OK, I love that 128. colors, seats, trans. Nice.

Sticks? You see one occasionally. Triple black is not my thing, but at least it has a moonroof and a hatch!

http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2013-ford-focus-5dr_hatchback_se-used-17662167.html

Mr_Shiftright

chrisk327 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car.
2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue.
it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below.

JF1VA2M65G9810636

Thanks
Chris

Okay Thanks. The CARFAX report is pretty demonstrative on the damage. It says:

Damage reported after accident
Structural damage reported
Damage to front
Damage to left front
Damage to right front

Perhaps Q can do the math on this one, but given how relatively new it is, it's going to scare a lot of buyers away.

If you have a detailed repair order that can clarify matters for the buyer, that might lessen the value hit somewhat--but I suspect the deduct is going to be substantial here.

What was the dollar amount of the damage?

tj11119

qbrozen said:

Just checked all 2010-2014 128i coupes and came upon 3 manuals, 2 of which had well over 100k miles. All told, about 30 cars, so 10% manual from that small sample.

That just confirms my feeling that if I want a 1 series then I should be ready to jump on a good condition, well equipped 128 in a color I want —sans the tranny. If it comes great.  At least that blue is pretty rare... will let you know if it works out.  Thanks again

tj11119

kyfdx said:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12498104&postcount=2

Thanks for the linky. I am sure “market properly” means he is expecting top dollar for his rare example.  Most guys on those forums are really attached to their cars and most times the pricing shows it.  I’ll ask him anyways, thanks again 

kyfdx

Yeah, that one might be pricey.

If you aren’t in a hurry, just keep checking. They will pop up from time to time.

I had a fairly specific model I wanted. Started checking right after Christmas, and found it at the end of April. About a 1000 mile search radius, but found it just 60 miles away. Still driving it, 8 years later.

A couple of years ago, I was searching for a 1-Series stick as a replacement, so I know they are out there.

qbrozen

Mr_Shiftright said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car. 2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue. it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below. JF1VA2M65G9810636 Thanks Chris

Okay Thanks. The CARFAX report is pretty demonstrative on the damage. It says: Damage reported after accident Structural damage reported Damage to front Damage to left front Damage to right front Perhaps Q can do the math on this one, but given how relatively new it is, it's going to scare a lot of buyers away. If you have a detailed repair order that can clarify matters for the buyer, that might lessen the value hit somewhat--but I suspect the deduct is going to be substantial here. What was the dollar amount of the damage?

Oh boy. Well... this is kind of a gut evaluation. If we're talking trade-in, even if repaired perfectly, I'm gonna say $21k-$22k. Now, if you sell it yourself, due to the desirability by young men of little means, I think it wouldn't get hurt SO bad because they'd be happy to save a couple grand (remember, this is just my gut talking), so I'd try pricing it at $27,495 or $27,995 and take the first $26k offer. 

Point of reference, fair retail for a clean one would be $30k.

kyfdx

2011 Accord EX-L (auto of course)
Leather

No runs, hits or errors.

Don't have the color, right now.

Retail/buying price from dealer?

Thanks!

chrisk327

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car.
2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue.
it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below.

JF1VA2M65G9810636

Thanks
Chris

Okay Thanks. The CARFAX report is pretty demonstrative on the damage. It says:

Damage reported after accident
Structural damage reported
Damage to front
Damage to left front
Damage to right front

Perhaps Q can do the math on this one, but given how relatively new it is, it's going to scare a lot of buyers away.

If you have a detailed repair order that can clarify matters for the buyer, that might lessen the value hit somewhat--but I suspect the deduct is going to be substantial here.

What was the dollar amount of the damage?

The insurance company paid $8000. This was mainly due to how new it was and that it was all new parts directly from Subaru. There were no junkyard or aftermarket parts at the time. Also the LED headlights were close to $2K of that. Needed primarily a hood, bumper, headlights and the fenders. It sounds a bit worse than it was and i have pictures. It was a 20-25mph accident where someone ran a stop sign on me and I hit them broadside. Obviously I can't do much about the carfax now.

chrisk327

qbrozen said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car.
2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue.
it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below.

JF1VA2M65G9810636

Thanks
Chris

Okay Thanks. The CARFAX report is pretty demonstrative on the damage. It says:

Damage reported after accident
Structural damage reported
Damage to front
Damage to left front
Damage to right front

Perhaps Q can do the math on this one, but given how relatively new it is, it's going to scare a lot of buyers away.

If you have a detailed repair order that can clarify matters for the buyer, that might lessen the value hit somewhat--but I suspect the deduct is going to be substantial here.

What was the dollar amount of the damage?

Oh boy. Well... this is kind of a gut evaluation. If we're talking trade-in, even if repaired perfectly, I'm gonna say $21k-$22k. Now, if you sell it yourself, due to the desirability by young men of little means, I think it wouldn't get hurt SO bad because they'd be happy to save a couple grand (remember, this is just my gut talking), so I'd try pricing it at $27,495 or $27,995 and take the first $26k offer. 

Point of reference, fair retail for a clean one would be $30k.

Thanks. I was kind of hoping that the trade in value would be around the $26K you're tell me I should take, but I do understand the situation here.

kyfdx

kyfdx said:

2011 Accord EX-L (auto of course)
Leather

No runs, hits or errors.

Don't have the color, right now.

Retail/buying price from dealer?

Thanks!

Dark gray outside, charcoal leather
67K miles

qbrozen

how many doors? how many cylinders?

andres3

chrisk327 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

chrisk327 said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car.
2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue.
it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below.

JF1VA2M65G9810636

Thanks
Chris

Okay Thanks. The CARFAX report is pretty demonstrative on the damage. It says:

Damage reported after accident
Structural damage reported
Damage to front
Damage to left front
Damage to right front

Perhaps Q can do the math on this one, but given how relatively new it is, it's going to scare a lot of buyers away.

If you have a detailed repair order that can clarify matters for the buyer, that might lessen the value hit somewhat--but I suspect the deduct is going to be substantial here.

What was the dollar amount of the damage?

The insurance company paid $8000. This was mainly due to how new it was and that it was all new parts directly from Subaru. There were no junkyard or aftermarket parts at the time. Also the LED headlights were close to $2K of that. Needed primarily a hood, bumper, headlights and the fenders. It sounds a bit worse than it was and i have pictures. It was a 20-25mph accident where someone ran a stop sign on me and I hit them broadside. Obviously I can't do much about the carfax now.

Depending on how much you get for the car, it looks like you'll suffer somewhere between a $1,000 and $6,000 loss due to diminished value. That amount you should have gone after from the insurance company (usually the 3rd parties as it was their fault).

I'd hope in a newer car that junkyard or aftermarket parts were not used. That would defeat the purpose of a repair in the first place.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

how many doors? how many cylinders?

4 door 4 cylinder

Sorry, I'm new

qbrozen

didn't think I recognized you. ;b

Somewhere in the $11k-$12k range.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

didn't think I recognized you. ;b

Somewhere in the $11k-$12k range.

thanks! asking $10,900

nyccarguy

chrisk327 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car. 2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue. it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below. JF1VA2M65G9810636 Thanks Chris

Okay Thanks. The CARFAX report is pretty demonstrative on the damage. It says: Damage reported after accident Structural damage reported Damage to front Damage to left front Damage to right front Perhaps Q can do the math on this one, but given how relatively new it is, it's going to scare a lot of buyers away. If you have a detailed repair order that can clarify matters for the buyer, that might lessen the value hit somewhat--but I suspect the deduct is going to be substantial here. What was the dollar amount of the damage?

Oh boy. Well... this is kind of a gut evaluation. If we're talking trade-in, even if repaired perfectly, I'm gonna say $21k-$22k. Now, if you sell it yourself, due to the desirability by young men of little means, I think it wouldn't get hurt SO bad because they'd be happy to save a couple grand (remember, this is just my gut talking), so I'd try pricing it at $27,495 or $27,995 and take the first $26k offer. 

Point of reference, fair retail for a clean one would be $30k.

Thanks. I was kind of hoping that the trade in value would be around the $26K you're tell me I should take, but I do understand the situation here.

How much do you owe on it?  How come you want to ditch it?  Glad you didn’t get hurt.

qbrozen

chrisk327 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I was wondering what the real world value is of my car. 2016 WRX STi base model. 20K miles. WR Blue. it has an accident on the car fax noting frame damage. The accident was a front end accident, fully repaired with new subaru parts had literally 1 hr on the bill for frame pulling for the radiator support.

Hmmm...well a radiator support isn't frame damage, so there might have been more to it, or the data was entered wrong. Do you have a VIN you can post? We'll take a look at it.

Hi, the Vin is below. JF1VA2M65G9810636 Thanks Chris

Okay Thanks. The CARFAX report is pretty demonstrative on the damage. It says: Damage reported after accident Structural damage reported Damage to front Damage to left front Damage to right front Perhaps Q can do the math on this one, but given how relatively new it is, it's going to scare a lot of buyers away. If you have a detailed repair order that can clarify matters for the buyer, that might lessen the value hit somewhat--but I suspect the deduct is going to be substantial here. What was the dollar amount of the damage?

Oh boy. Well... this is kind of a gut evaluation. If we're talking trade-in, even if repaired perfectly, I'm gonna say $21k-$22k. Now, if you sell it yourself, due to the desirability by young men of little means, I think it wouldn't get hurt SO bad because they'd be happy to save a couple grand (remember, this is just my gut talking), so I'd try pricing it at $27,495 or $27,995 and take the first $26k offer. 

Point of reference, fair retail for a clean one would be $30k.

Thanks. I was kind of hoping that the trade in value would be around the $26K you're tell me I should take, but I do understand the situation here.

You really won't know until you shop it around. Start with a carmax type of place and see what they'd offer.

steine13

I may have to do some car shopping tonight with the kid.

Over the last week, I've found exactly TWO manuals that are worth considering, and they are both at dealerships.
One good thing about those is they actually know what stuff is worth, unlike the private sellers around here who seem to have gong colletively crazy, e.g. 2000 Jetta TDI 5sp with 293k for $4000. Good luck with that.

Car #1
2011 Volkswagen Jetta SE 141k.
5sp MT, 2.5 l 5cyl. Silver.
Leather or Pleather -- I'm assuming the latter. No roof. Alloys.
3VWBZ7AJ7BM385004
Looks fairly clean.
This is at a large-ish used-car dealer 50 min from here in the boonies, so I'm looking at wasting two hours just to find out it's a smoker's car. I know better than to call and ask...
Speaking of asking, they want $4,995 for it.

Car #2
2012 Ford Fiesta SE hatch 145k.
5sp MT, 1.6 l 4cyl. Silver
Cloth, power equipment, no cruise, hubcaps.
3FADP4EJ0CM128798
Carfax indicates one owner, no auction records.
This is at a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep dealer 15 minutes from town on I-75.
Asking $3,900.

Thanks in advance!

qbrozen

steine13 said:

I may have to do some car shopping tonight with the kid.

Over the last week, I've found exactly TWO manuals that are worth considering, and they are both at dealerships.
One good thing about those is they actually know what stuff is worth, unlike the private sellers around here who seem to have gong colletively crazy, e.g. 2000 Jetta TDI 5sp with 293k for $4000. Good luck with that.

Car #1
2011 Volkswagen Jetta SE 141k.
5sp MT, 2.5 l 5cyl. Silver.
Leather or Pleather -- I'm assuming the latter. No roof. Alloys.
3VWBZ7AJ7BM385004
Looks fairly clean.
This is at a large-ish used-car dealer 50 min from here in the boonies, so I'm looking at wasting two hours just to find out it's a smoker's car. I know better than to call and ask...
Speaking of asking, they want $4,995 for it.

Car #2
2012 Ford Fiesta SE hatch 145k.
5sp MT, 1.6 l 4cyl. Silver
Cloth, power equipment, no cruise, hubcaps.
3FADP4EJ0CM128798
Carfax indicates one owner, no auction records.
This is at a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep dealer 15 minutes from town on I-75.
Asking $3,900.

Thanks in advance!

Right about $3k auction on the VW. They may move another $500, but possibly not more than that. It is a handshaker, however.

The Ford? About $1500-$2k auction.

steine13

Thanks a lot, q -- that helps calibrate it. I had a feeling the Jetta was a pretty good deal, and the Fiesta was at a reasonable asking price but that they'd likely take something with a "2" out front.

We're off here in a bit to look at a 2011 Fiesta sedan, one owner, stick, with 177k miles. THAT one has no auction price, it's all in the condition. Sadly, the dude wants $4 so if it looks good, we'll have to wait a while until he comes to his senses.. but it's close buy so it's worth checking out. Daddy-daughter activity amiright

Very helpful -- I appreciate it. -mathias

qbrozen

you are down in that pricerange where you are talking a couple hundred bucks here or there. $3k would probably buy either of those Fiestas, even though there is a fairly large mileage discrepancy. At least with the 177k-mile one, you are buying from the owner (right?) and would know more of its history.

steine13

Yeah, the goal is to have a car for the summer, ditch it in the fall, and lose a grand or so in the process.
And have some fun.
We drove the 140k hatch tonight and liked it...valve train like new...great engine and shifter/clutch. Tranny was whining in 5th and 1st, though. And it was a smoker's car. No way.

Next up is the 177 mile seran, I have hopes for it. These are kinda fun, simple and light on their feet.

roadburner

Any idea on trade-in/fair purchase price on this puppy located in Louisville, KY?
2014 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara

Asking for a friend, as I no longer work there.

qbrozen

Already a very strong price. Manual I'm sure is holding it back, but the auction numbers don't seem to reflect that. Would hit somewhere in the mid $25k range at the block.

nyccarguy

roadburner said:

Any idea on trade-in/fair purchase price on this puppy located in Louisville, KY?
2014 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara

Asking for a friend, as I no longer work there.

Amazing how these hold their value. I clicked on the carfax report & you can view the original sticker. This is a very lightly optioned Sahara (Slush Mats by Mopar - $95, Freedom Top - $995, UConnect Hard Drive Navigation - $1,095) with a $995 Destination Charge. MSRP: $35,175. They are asking $27,400. What are these things going for at auction, $23,000? $22,500?

roadburner

qbrozen said:

Already a very strong price. Manual I'm sure is holding it back, but the auction numbers don't seem to reflect that. Would hit somewhere in the mid $25k range at the block.

Thanks!

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:

Any idea on trade-in/fair purchase price on this puppy located in Louisville, KY?
2014 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara

Asking for a friend, as I no longer work there.

Amazing how these hold their value. I clicked on the carfax report & you can view the original sticker. This is a very lightly optioned Sahara (Slush Mats by Mopar - $95, Freedom Top - $995, UConnect Hard Drive Navigation - $1,095) with a $995 Destination Charge. MSRP: $35,175. They are asking $27,400. What are these things going for at auction, $23,000? $22,500?

Crazy, isn't it?