Real-World Trade-In Values

buster6

Hi,

Hoping Q or the other guys that are in the know can help me out on a value on this.

2014 Prius (regular style) trim level 4--good shape 34,000 miles grey outside and grey interior. It has pleather and nav.

CarMax offered 15k and dealer offers have been anywhere from 16k to 19k (later being at a Toyota dealer yesterday). I have a feeling the 19 is a really good offer ($2.00 gas is killing the value) and I should take it, just not impressed with anything on their lot and wanted to break away and get a GM/Ford suv before the end of the year with the big incentives being offered.

cdnpinhead

buster6 said:

Hoping Q or the other guys that are in the know can help me out on a value on this.

Your location (actually the car's) is important as well as (believe it or not) the exterior and interior colours.

buster6

buster6 said:

Hi,

Hoping Q or the other guys that are in the know can help me out on a value on this.

2014 Prius (regular style) trim level 4--good shape 34,000 miles grey outside and grey interior. It has pleather and nav.

CarMax offered 15k and dealer offers have been anywhere from 16k to 19k (later being at a Toyota dealer yesterday). I have a feeling the 19 is a really good offer ($2.00 gas is killing the value) and I should take it, just not impressed with anything on their lot and wanted to break away and get a GM/Ford suv before the end of the year with the big incentives being offered.

Sorry, car is located in Phoenix

string3599

Great thread, please provide numbers on the following. Carmax offered $6k.

2009 Honda Fit Sport Automatic
49,000 miles
Kansas City
Blackberry Pearl (Dark Purple)
One owner (me)
No navi
It is clean
No accidents

Thanks in advance and happy new year.

tj11119

Back again for some guidance, thanks in advance.

2014 Subaru Forester XT Premium
Silver Metalllic
33,500 miles
Clean Carfax
One ding on door, interior all good.
Tires at 4/32"

San Diego CA

nyccarguy

tijuana19 said:

Back again for some guidance, thanks in advance. 2014 Subaru Forester XT Premium Silver Metalllic 33,500 miles Clean Carfax One ding on door, interior all good. Tires at 4/32" San Diego CA

Automatic?

tj11119

nyccarguy said:

tijuana19 said:

Back again for some guidance, thanks in advance.

2014 Subaru Forester XT Premium
Silver Metalllic
33,500 miles
Clean Carfax
One ding on door, interior all good.
Tires at 4/32"

San Diego CA

Automatic?

Yes, CVT auto. I wish the XT came in manual ....

nyccarguy

Hey @qbrozen I need your guidance & expertise for a friend of mine. 2014 Toyota Sienna LE (I think it is an LE, definitely not an SE, XLE, or Limited).

Grey/ Light Grey Leather
24,500 miles
FWD - V6 - Automatic
Backup Camera
7 Passenger
Power Doors & Liftgate
Average Condition - typical Suburban Minivan bumps & bruises
Located in Stamford, CT
They're looking to trade in at a Toyota dealer

Thank-you as always!

carjudge

Can anyone assist me in giving me a trade in value for the following vehicle:

2014 Volvo S60 -T5 Platinum FWD 4D Sedan
25,000 miles
Blue with Black interior
Tires ok
Zip: 32806

Thanks

Michaell

carjudge said:

Can anyone assist me in giving me a trade in value for the following vehicle:

2014 Volvo S60 -T5 Platinum FWD 4D Sedan
25,000 miles
Blue with Black interior
Tires ok
Zip: 32806

Thanks

What location is this? As has been noted many times, we aren't the post office.

carjudge

Michaell said:

carjudge said:

Can anyone assist me in giving me a trade in value for the following vehicle:

2014 Volvo S60 -T5 Platinum FWD 4D Sedan
25,000 miles
Blue with Black interior
Tires ok
Zip: 32806

Thanks

What location is this? As has been noted many times, we aren't the post office.

Sorry, St Augustine, Florida

stickguy

Orlando. Mickey land!

qbrozen

oh boy. let's see.

2014 Prius level 4 with 35k ... $19k is an insane number. I wouldn't pay that retail. $15k is very very fair, as that is right around what it would get at auction.

2009 Fit Sport... these have a pretty good spread, BUT, frankly, given the color, I gotta say $6k is not bad. It would be $7k in a more common color.

2014 turbo Forester... so location is very important on this one, and you are in the right place. However, there is a big spread on them, regardless. Most in the northern states are $22k-$23k, but I see one in PA for $20k, and many in warmer states are in that same $20k range. Given the condition, I'm going to peg this at $21k-$21.5k trade.

2014 Sienna... $19k-$19.5k.

2014 S60... I have absolutely no recent comps on this. Based on what Premiers are going for, I'm going to guesstimate $17k.

nyccarguy

@qbrozen - thanks as always!  I'll report back!

carjudge

Thank you @qbrozen!

tj11119

Thanks again!

string3599

Thanks @qbrozen!

qbrozen

you are all welcome

andres3

2014 Audi S4 S-Tronic with 40,000 miles in great condition (except as noted). 1 moderate previous accident repaired as well as can be done by American craftsmen. 1 big dent and scuffing to the rear bumper side by some idiot in a Costco parking lot turning too early when backing out of a parking space (estimate $900 to fix to Audi Standards; should I do it or let the next buyer deal with it?).

Options: Magma Nappa Leather, Misano Red Pearl Paint, Bang & Olufsen Sound System, Sport Rear Diff (Oh yeah!).

What can I get in 2016 for this without too much hassle in San Diego CA? Seems the red paint attracts bad drivers into collisions.

xwesx

Andres, don't for get to provide location (San Diego, CA IIRC?)

nyccarguy

@andres - start with a quote from carmax. What are you going to replace your beloved S4 with?

Mr_Shiftright

Was the airbag deployed? Any frame damage on the repair order?

qbrozen

I do need to know more about this accident and what carfax says. Which package is this? I see Premium Plus, Prestige, Progressive, and Technik.

andres3

Well, depending on who you ask, there may or may not have been frame damage as since there isn't a "frame" on these Audi's (Uni-body construction) some insurance entities claim there can't be frame damage. There was like an hour of shop time dedicated to "pull Rt upper rail" and a line item for jig setup (both were designated as "body work." They don't have a designation for structural. Again, according to some hired insurance guns, the upper right rail is not structural, though I admit I can't buy that philosophy personally.

Several months after the accident, the Carfax was still clean; don't know about now. Package is Premium Plus.
Any decent inspector will see the hood, front bumper, and front fender were replaced/repainted. The suspension bits at the front right were also replaced. No air bags deployed (very offset frontal collision; right headlamp to right edge of car took the hit.

Chances are low I'll make a move in 2016, but it's possible. I have my eye on a Golf R but they are so rare and in such high demand that I may not like the total bottom line deal of switching.

qbrozen

oh boy. Obviously a very tough one. You have the highest miles, by far, of any comps, and there is that ugly accident history. So where do I go from here? Well, if its my money, I gotta do what is "safe." If I take the couple of 25-27k mile examples at $35k and deduct $125/1k miles, that takes me to $33k, I deduct another $1k for wholesale vs auction, then I knock off 20% for the repairs, and I come to $25k. Will you get offers that low? I have no idea. Everybody is different. Someone might figure a couple grand deduct for the history is OK and give you $30k, for example. Like I said, if it were my lot and my money (of which I have neither), I'd be hard pressed to risk more than, say, $27k? If it shows real well and I think I could find a sucker easy enough.

cafann

Debating on getting rid of my vehicle(s) either by a lease take over or trying to sell to a dealer. I could use advice on either of these 2 avenues as well.

First, I have a 2014.5 Camry SE (non sport) with moonroof and power seat(forgot what this package was called). Standard audio system. Barcelona red on black. Just under 13k miles. No accidents on carfax as well as no paint/ body work done.

Second is a 2014 RAV4 XLE no options. White on black. Under 16k miles. No accidents on carfax as well as no paint/ body work done.

Located in Salem, OR.

Thoughts on their value? Thanks!

bmantz65

Hello. I am looking for a trade in value for a 2008 Honda Odyssey EX-L RES NAV with roof rails and an aftermarket remote start system installed. 95,000 miles on it. There are some minor scuff/scratches on the roof and bumper. Interior condition is good. I am its second owner. Clean title.

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Thank you!

Mr_Shiftright

Well the unibody is now regarded as the "frame". I guess if your repair order shows a "pull" on a frame machine then the car was "bent" and that notation on the estimate is not a great thing to see. Another bad scenario on a repair order would be welding time, or complete panel replacement. I often encourage people whose cars have suffered an accident, to take photos of the damage beforehand (presuming it isn't gruesome-looking) to show potential buyers that it was "only a fender-bender". An "air bag deployed" on CARFAX is also a big minus to a buyer or dealer. Last of all, the total bill is something of an indicator. If your $40,000 care suffers $18,000 damage, that's a big hit.

Bottom line it goes like this. We put your car and a "virgin" car side by side. Given full disclosure, how much would you have to lower the price of your car to convince someone to buy it (or trade it in) over the untouched vehicle?

andres3 said:

Well, depending on who you ask, there may or may not have been frame damage as since there isn't a "frame" on these Audi's (Uni-body construction) some insurance entities claim there can't be frame damage. There was like an hour of shop time dedicated to "pull Rt upper rail" and a line item for jig setup (both were designated as "body work." They don't have a designation for structural. Again, according to some hired insurance guns, the upper right rail is not structural, though I admit I can't buy that philosophy personally.

Several months after the accident, the Carfax was still clean; don't know about now. Package is Premium Plus.
Any decent inspector will see the hood, front bumper, and front fender were replaced/repainted. The suspension bits at the front right were also replaced. No air bags deployed (very offset frontal collision; right headlamp to right edge of car took the hit.

Chances are low I'll make a move in 2016, but it's possible. I have my eye on a Golf R but they are so rare and in such high demand that I may not like the total bottom line deal of switching.

qbrozen

cafann said:

Debating on getting rid of my vehicle(s) either by a lease take over or trying to sell to a dealer. I could use advice on either of these 2 avenues as well.

First, I have a 2014.5 Camry SE (non sport) with moonroof and power seat(forgot what this package was called). Standard audio system. Barcelona red on black. Just under 13k miles. No accidents on carfax as well as no paint/ body work done.

Second is a 2014 RAV4 XLE no options. White on black. Under 16k miles. No accidents on carfax as well as no paint/ body work done.

Located in Salem, OR.

Thoughts on their value? Thanks!

How many cylinders in that Camry and is that Rav4 FWD or AWD?

cafann

qbrozen said:

cafann said:

Debating on getting rid of my vehicle(s) either by a lease take over or trying to sell to a dealer. I could use advice on either of these 2 avenues as well.

First, I have a 2014.5 Camry SE (non sport) with moonroof and power seat(forgot what this package was called). Standard audio system. Barcelona red on black. Just under 13k miles. No accidents on carfax as well as no paint/ body work done.

Second is a 2014 RAV4 XLE no options. White on black. Under 16k miles. No accidents on carfax as well as no paint/ body work done.

Located in Salem, OR.

Thoughts on their value? Thanks!

How many cylinders in that Camry and is that Rav4 FWD or AWD?

Camry is the 4 cylinder. Rav4 is AWD.

qbrozen

bmantz65 said:

Hello. I am looking for a trade in value for a 2008 Honda Odyssey EX-L RES NAV with roof rails and an aftermarket remote start system installed. 95,000 miles on it. There are some minor scuff/scratches on the roof and bumper. Interior condition is good. I am its second owner. Clean title.

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Thank you!

Loaded up the way it is, I'm thinking $8k.

henryn

I would like to buy that Odyssey. Too bad I'm several thousand miles away!

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well the unibody is now regarded as the "frame". I guess if your repair order shows a "pull" on a frame machine then the car was "bent" and that notation on the estimate is not a great thing to see. Another bad scenario on a repair order would be welding time, or complete panel replacement. I often encourage people whose cars have suffered an accident, to take photos of the damage beforehand (presuming it isn't gruesome-looking) to show potential buyers that it was "only a fender-bender". An "air bag deployed" on CARFAX is also a big minus to a buyer or dealer. Last of all, the total bill is something of an indicator. If your $40,000 care suffers $18,000 damage, that's a big hit.

Bottom line it goes like this. We put your car and a "virgin" car side by side. Given full disclosure, how much would you have to lower the price of your car to convince someone to buy it (or trade it in) over the untouched vehicle?

For me as a buyer of a previously damaged car, I'd look meticulously at the quality of the repairs. If the repairs were done well, I'd deduct all of @qbrozen 20% deduction to be safe, and want every penny of it to consider it compared to a "virgin" example of the same vehicle. I think 20% is the right diminished value, but other buyers might be more lenient and settle for 10%. I would say I fall in the "I'd rather have a new/undamaged version by far" category. Then again, I'm one who puts a big value on the fact the Golf R (and S4) were made and assembled in Germany vs. say the US or Mexico.

Mr_Shiftright

I've never found a large enough database to convince myself that German-made cars are better assembled than the US or Mexico ones.

qbrozen

Camry SE - $14.5k-$15k

Rav4 - about $20k.

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

I've never found a large enough database to convince myself that German-made cars are better assembled than the US or Mexico ones.

Our experiences with Japanese built Civics was superior to the rattle and problem prone US built Accord. My meticulous delivery inspection confirmed flawless quality control at Audi with the S4.

With Mexico built VW, this pic sums it up on quality control (lapses or in Sportwagen TDI case, problem appears to be judgment; either way). To be fair, the car is otherwise pretty flawless as well, just this one thing I think is below VW-grade.

Mr_Shiftright

Do you think point-of-assembly figures into resale values?

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

Do you think point-of-assembly figures into resale values?

No, mainly because when it comes to fit & finish quality issues on cars, I'm part of the 1%, definitely not the 99%. This is why 99% of body shops can stay in business when I'm convinced 99% of them are terrible.

stickguy

You should run the S4 through Carmax. Just to get a baseline (reality check?). I'm really curious on this one real world.

andres3

stickguy said:

You should run the S4 through Carmax. Just to get a baseline (reality check?). I'm really curious on this one real world.

I will when I'm closer to being 7 days from being willing to make a trade. Don't want to make Carmax do it twice, and something like the Golf R is unfortunately most difficult to get in under 7 days unless you are very lucky or don't care what colors/options you get.

explorerx4

@andres3,
As abrasive as I find your posts, since are a member of the Edmunds community, I would hate to see you embarrass yourself walking all smug into a CarMax with your 'clean carfax', to get an appraisal.
They use a different vehicle history service.

tommister2

andres3 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I've never found a large enough database to convince myself that German-made cars are better assembled than the US or Mexico ones.

Our experiences with Japanese built Civics was superior to the rattle and problem prone US built Accord. My meticulous delivery inspection confirmed flawless quality control at Audi with the S4.

With Mexico built VW, this pic sums it up on quality control (lapses or in Sportwagen TDI case, problem appears to be judgment; either way). To be fair, the car is otherwise pretty flawless as well, just this one thing I think is below VW-grade.

Is the problem that they built the car upside down?

Mr_Shiftright

Now HOW could that have passed inspection...careless, careless....

notfast

explorerx4 said:

@andres3,
As abrasive as I find your posts, since are a member of the Edmunds community, I would hate to see you embarrass yourself walking all smug into a CarMax with your 'clean carfax', to get an appraisal.
They use a different vehicle history service.

What history service does Carmax use? Autocheck? I think they are less detailed/completed than the Carfox

andres3

explorerx4 said:

@andres3,
As abrasive as I find your posts, since are a member of the Edmunds community, I would hate to see you embarrass yourself walking all smug into a CarMax with your 'clean carfax', to get an appraisal.
They use a different vehicle history service.

Don't worry, any reputable used car dealer/manager will be able to easily find that a car had been in a previous accident and subsequently repaired upon visual inspection regardless of the "history" reports. One dead giveaway is if the "bolts" have been spun holding on the hood anchors and latches. A CarMax appraiser previously told me that if two or more body panels have evidence of having been removed/bolts spun; that's an automatic fail and straight to auction/wholesale vehicle for them. Pretty high standards, don't know if they are all that picky though.

Also, they directly ask you in a questionnaire/interview if the vehicle has been in an accident and/or previously repaired. That makes it much more difficult to mislead, as it isn't an error of omission, but deliberate fraud at that point to fail to disclose.

All this is why I filed a small claims lawsuit for diminished value upon the at-fault driver and his insurance company last year. I don't see anyone "getting away with it" unless they sell to an unsuspecting private party that doesn't know what they are looking at.

andres3

tommister2 said:

andres3 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I've never found a large enough database to convince myself that German-made cars are better assembled than the US or Mexico ones.

Our experiences with Japanese built Civics was superior to the rattle and problem prone US built Accord. My meticulous delivery inspection confirmed flawless quality control at Audi with the S4.

With Mexico built VW, this pic sums it up on quality control (lapses or in Sportwagen TDI case, problem appears to be judgment; either way). To be fair, the car is otherwise pretty flawless as well, just this one thing I think is below VW-grade.

Is the problem that they built the car upside down?

Hahahah, just consider myself lucky that the picture showed up and was visible and clear.

My only problem is with the aesthetic finish surface rear face of the muffler. The pipes don't hide the ugly splatter welding burning operation hired in Mexico. It is visible from behind, especially if the car is at a higher elevation than where you are looking from. 3 Sportwagen's had similar characteristics with these mufflers at the dealership, so it appears to be "acceptable" by Mexican VW QC standards. I just can't see this getting past Ingolstadt QC department.

explorerx4

A few months ago, while staying at hotel, I went for a walk and the was a CarMax around the block, so I walked the lot. They had some real crap.
Took a car to CarMax for an appraisal once and I don't think they asked about any accidents, but I did volunteer that there had been some.
My Fusion had a fender replacement in April/May and it showed up on Autocheck but not CarFax in October.
Regarding your upside down picture, try right click, properties, uncheck read only, the rotate and save. The order may be a bit different.

stickguy

every time I have cruised the online listings for Carmax, I have found the prices to be high (in some cases crazily). and they did not look like super low mile creampuffs. I find much nicer stuff at a local small dealer. all that overhead and advertising is being paid by someone, and that someone would be the buyers.

tjc78

Have you been down to the new one in Sicklerville? I see it all time, coming up the expressway. I'd like to browse the lot for curiosity sake. I think if you are going down the no-haggle used lot you would be better off at Auto Lenders.

stickguy

I saw when they were building that place (we go to Texas Roadhouse occasionally, and I go down cross keys to get to the Acura dealer on 42). Someday when I am bored I will take a walk through.

I go by autolenders all the time (up on 73) and stop in occasionally, and test drive some stuff. always find their prices a bit high, but they have a ton of inventory, so must be selling them. At least they are really low pressure there. Great place to try out stuff, since they just hand you the keys and tell you to have fun!