Real-World Trade-In Values

kyfdx

mjfloyd1 said:

kyfdx said:

sda said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Ah, the Nein 54 engine.....

What is the story with these engines and what years were they used? Have the issues been resolved in newer models?

It's the 335i model twin-turbo V-6. Internal BMW designation is N54. 2007-2009 in the 3-series. (and, in other models).

It was replaced by the N55 model (twin-scroll single-turbo) in 2010, I think.

Correct except straight 6...

Oh, gee...

They will never let me back in the BMW club, now.

sda

kyfdx said:

mjfloyd1 said:

kyfdx said:

sda said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Ah, the Nein 54 engine.....

What is the story with these engines and what years were they used? Have the issues been resolved in newer models?

It's the 335i model twin-turbo V-6. Internal BMW designation is N54. 2007-2009 in the 3-series. (and, in other models).

It was replaced by the N55 model (twin-scroll single-turbo) in 2010, I think.

Correct except straight 6...

Oh, gee...

They will never let me back in the BMW club, now.

Sounds like a high maintenance expensive mistress...ouch

stickguy

tjc78 said:

We have another chain in the NJ area called Autolenders. Similar business model to Carmax. They are also extremely high, but as I'm sure Stick and Q can attest to there are plenty of those stickers on cars in the area.

I sold my 09 Genesis to them for $1100 or so above my buyout (27 months into my lease) then they put it for sale $6000 above that and it was off their website in a week.

Confirmed. Great for browsing and taking unaccompanied test drives, but I don't understand how they sell so many cars at those prices. Guess people pay for friendly. Because I have found equivalent cars at a dealer as CPO for less money.

nyccarguy

2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium
43,500 miles
Lapis Blue Pearl (7/10)
Ivory Cloth (8/10)
AWD - Heated Seats - Bluetooth - 17" Wheels
Car is NOT equipped with EYESIGHT Package
Tires are original
Southern Connecticut

Can you please give me an approximate trade in value @qbrozen? Thanks in advance.

stickguy

This sounds ominous.

Michaell

stickguy said:

This sounds ominous.

I won't tell you which lease boards he's been posting on...

nyccarguy

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

This sounds ominous.

I won't tell you which lease boards he's been posting on...

Thanks! I appreciate your discretion. As always, the stars would have to be in serious alignment.

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

This sounds ominous.

More likely than not, I'll be purchasing a set of snow shoes for the Legacy. I'll let you all know either way what happens.

qbrozen

Surprisingly, there is a wide range on these. Were there more available options? I'm gonna have to put it at $11k.

henryn

@nyccarguy , move to Colorado and then sell it.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

Surprisingly, there is a wide range on these. Were there more available options? I'm gonna have to put it at $11k.

There is a moonroof package which I DO NOT have.
There is also a navigation package which I DO NOT have.
As stated earlier, I DO NOT have the EYESIGHT package.

Thanks!

I thought these Subarus were supposed to hold their value better. I'm not even at 2 1/2 years and the car has already depreciated over 50%. Looks like I'm going shopping for a set of snow shoes for the Legacy. Thanks!

andres3

xwesx said:

Perhaps, but it seems like there should be a difference between a crash and a stolen part. In a private party sale, the buyer's perception would surely be different in those scenarios.

But that would incentivize everyone that has been in an accident to claim it was just stolen parts! Hard to control, police, and regulate that. Better to play it safe IMO as a buyer. Any who! how many cars get panels stolen? That was unusual.

andres3

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

Surprisingly, there is a wide range on these. Were there more available options? I'm gonna have to put it at $11k.

There is a moonroof package which I DO NOT have.
There is also a navigation package which I DO NOT have.
As stated earlier, I DO NOT have the EYESIGHT package.

Thanks!

I thought these Subarus were supposed to hold their value better. I'm not even at 2 1/2 years and the car has already depreciated over 50%. Looks like I'm going shopping for a set of snow shoes for the Legacy. Thanks!

Mid-size sedans are about as popular as horse wagons right now apparently, and an extremely crowded competitive marketplace with many different qualified choices. Therefore, the new ones are highly discounted, thereby making the used market less attractive unless prices plummet there too.

andres3

henryn said:

Is it just me, or do all of the "no haggle" dealerships seem to be really high priced? The prices at CarMax seem to be truly outlandish, and yet I see tremendous numbers of cars on the road with CarMax stickers.

Probably a reflection of how much people hate the typical car buying experience, which can be avoided at Carmax, I'll give you that.

I have tracked a few commodities on CarMax to realize they have some kind of pricing scheme whereby more or less they will lower the price $500 a pop every 7 days or so to move the car. If a sucker doesn't come along in the first 2 weeks someone will save a grand from their outlandish prices, and that could explain partly why they are so popular.

andres3

stickguy said:

tjc78 said:

We have another chain in the NJ area called Autolenders. Similar business model to Carmax. They are also extremely high, but as I'm sure Stick and Q can attest to there are plenty of those stickers on cars in the area.

I sold my 09 Genesis to them for $1100 or so above my buyout (27 months into my lease) then they put it for sale $6000 above that and it was off their website in a week.

Confirmed. Great for browsing and taking unaccompanied test drives, but I don't understand how they sell so many cars at those prices. Guess people pay for friendly. Because I have found equivalent cars at a dealer as CPO for less money.

I bought my new '14 S4 in part because I was able to negotiate a deal whereby an equivalent S4 model at Carmax that was two years older ('12 model) would be about the same money. Only difference being I was willing to forgo tech like Navigation and rear cameras whereas of course all the used ones have that. People pay crazy money for gadgets.

stickguy

Bradd you are pretty stiff on miles too, so that has to take a big hit. Plus that is trade, not retail. I assume I could walk in and buy a 2017 like yours for 24-25K? So trade at 11-12, they retail for 14-15K, which seems like a reasonable drop for 2 years/44K miles.

Plus you need tires!

tkfitz1

qbrozen said:

tkfitz1 said:

qbrozen said:

tkfitz1 said:

qbrozen said:

tkfitz1 said:

It might be that time again......

2015 Ford Edge
SEL
Roof
Tech package
Leather
Black on black
16000 or so miles, in NH
What might they have in it?
Thanks in advance.

Fwd or awd? 4cyl or 6cyl?

3.5 V6, AWD

Hmmm...many in that $23k zip code with a couple wandering up to $25k. I think $26k buying would be safe enough. What is asking price?

Thanks for the quick reply. They are asking 27700......it does have Nav if that makes a difference......It is at a no haggle place, so making a counter offer is fairly pointless. In a week it will be a 2015 in year 2017.......

Nav helps but only about $500. $27.7k is too much, IMHO. 

Thanks again!! We are not in any big rush. Wife does need wheels, but until a good deal she likes comes around she can use my truck or one of my cars.
Even though the place is "no haggle" I have found that most anything other than the price of the car can be negotiated. The wiggle room is in trade negotiations etc.....

tkfitz1

Kinda off topic but........

Am I right in thinking there is about a 100% markup on extended warrantees?

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

Bradd you are pretty stiff on miles too, so that has to take a big hit. Plus that is trade, not retail. I assume I could walk in and buy a 2017 like yours for 24-25K? So trade at 11-12, they retail for 14-15K, which seems like a reasonable drop for 2 years/44K miles.

Plus you need tires!

You're right. I do mile em up more than most. Might as well ride this one out for a little longer. Snow tires next week. Maybe a set of 18s from the Sport or Limited this Spring.

stickguy

tkfitz1 said:

Kinda off topic but........

Am I right in thinking there is about a 100% markup on extended warrantees?

minimum. There are some dealers around that participate on various forums (often marque specific) that offer the OEM ones for about 1/2 often. Never take the first offer from the finance guy if you really want one.

sda

stickguy said:

tkfitz1 said:

Kinda off topic but........

Am I right in thinking there is about a 100% markup on extended warrantees?

minimum. There are some dealers around that participate on various forums (often marque specific) that offer the OEM ones for about 1/2 often. Never take the first offer from the finance guy if you really want one.

Exactly. Never take the first offer from the finance guy if you really want one.

Without really trying I got the dealer to reduce the price of an extended warranty from $1600 to $1100. This was an in house (dealer franchise) backed warranty so I'm sure they had lots of flexibility. I do give them credit that they have honored several claims without any pushback and the warranty has more than paid for itself. I generally don't buy extended warranties but for some reason my gut told me to do so this time.

breld

Here's a car that we find strangely compelling:

At a mini dealer, here in CO
2013 Paceman S All4
38k miles
Manual transmission
Well equipped with the sunroof, upgraded "lounge" leather, cold weather, premium package 2.
Red with a "copper" leather interior.

Any auction values out there for something like this?

stickguy

still time to get the 9th punch in!

breld

Nah...it'd only be 8.  

And I'd wait until next week just to start the year off right.  

qbrozen

breld said:

Here's a car that we find strangely compelling:

At a mini dealer, here in CO
2013 Paceman S All4
38k miles
Manual transmission
Well equipped with the sunroof, upgraded "lounge" leather, cold weather, premium package 2.
Red with a "copper" leather interior.

Any auction values out there for something like this?

Pretty consistent auction values at $16k

andres3

Curious, are there any auction values on '15 Golf Sportwagen TDI's? SE model, in San Diego, DSG auto.

This is going to be bought back by VW early in '17, but was just curious if anyone got impatient and sold some to auction? Probably if they were sold, somebody here bought it and profited.

100chuck

sda said:

stickguy said:

tkfitz1 said:

Kinda off topic but........

Am I right in thinking there is about a 100% markup on extended warrantees?

minimum. There are some dealers around that participate on various forums (often marque specific) that offer the OEM ones for about 1/2 often. Never take the first offer from the finance guy if you really want one.

Exactly. Never take the first offer from the finance guy if you really want one.

Without really trying I got the dealer to reduce the price of an extended warranty from $1600 to $1100. This was an in house (dealer franchise) backed warranty so I'm sure they had lots of flexibility. I do give them credit that they have honored several claims without any pushback and the warranty has more than paid for itself. I generally don't buy extended warranties but for some reason my gut told me to do so this time.

I purchased my Ford extended warranty from a dealer online and I believe the cost was half of what the selling dealership wanted to charge.

rayainsw

2015 Charger R/T.
Condition – as close to perfect as any vehicle driven 31,000 miles.
[ Seriously – outstanding = no visible wear, no door dings, etc. ]
Colors: Dark red ext. \ Black leather int.
Maint. - all up to date by dealer.
Premium Group. Includes, Beats Sound System,
ventilated front seats w/ memory and lumbar adj.,
Navigation, backup camera, blind spot and cross path detection,
power tilt & telescope steering wheel, heated steering wheel,
heated second row seats, power adj. pedals,
ParkSense® Rear Park Assist System, remote start,
Etc.
SiriusXM.
Sunroof.
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3s with just over 10,000 miles – and no significant wear.
Northeast of Atlanta, GA.
Trade-in value, please?
Thanks,
- Ray
In case there is a year-end deal I cannot resist . . .

qbrozen

andres3 said:

Curious, are there any auction values on '15 Golf Sportwagen TDI's? SE model, in San Diego, DSG auto. This is going to be bought back by VW early in '17, but was just curious if anyone got impatient and sold some to auction? Probably if they were sold, somebody here bought it and profited.

I see an SEL on 11/15 with 13k miles for $21,750 and an SE on 10/19 for $23,750 with 22.5k in Cali.

qbrozen

rayainsw said:

2015 Charger R/T. Condition – as close to perfect as any vehicle driven 31,000 miles. [ Seriously – outstanding = no visible wear, no door dings, etc. ] Colors: Dark red ext. \ Black leather int. Maint. - all up to date by dealer. Premium Group. Includes, Beats Sound System, ventilated front seats w/ memory and lumbar adj., Navigation, backup camera, blind spot and cross path detection, power tilt & telescope steering wheel, heated steering wheel, heated second row seats, power adj. pedals, ParkSense® Rear Park Assist System, remote start, Etc. SiriusXM. Sunroof. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3s with just over 10,000 miles – and no significant wear. Northeast of Atlanta, GA. Trade-in value, please? Thanks, - Ray In case there is a year-end deal I cannot resist . . .

About $20k

rayainsw

Thank you, Sir !

roadburner

breld said:

Here's a car that we find strangely compelling:

At a mini dealer, here in CO
2013 Paceman S All4
38k miles
Manual transmission
Well equipped with the sunroof, upgraded "lounge" leather, cold weather, premium package 2.
Red with a "copper" leather interior.

Any auction values out there for something like this?

I love the lounge leather- looks almost Jaguar-like.

Mr_Shiftright

Can't get used to the looks of a Paceman in "real life"--it's very odd. Apparently, the buying public thought so too. So having been discontinued might offer the opportunity for a good deal.

henryn

@qbrozen nailed it again. He said my truck would be worth $24k at a dealer, and $25k at Carmax. Well, Carmax tried to screw me, but I just got an offer of $24,000 precisely for trading in the truck at a dealership. And that was not inflated, that was against an advertised price. Once again, a big "Thank You" to Q for the invaluable assistance he gives to so many of us every day.

breld

Mr_Shiftright said:

Can't get used to the looks of a Paceman in "real life"--it's very odd. Apparently, the buying public thought so too. So having been discontinued might offer the opportunity for a good deal.

It's definitely an odd duck, but something about the design speaks to us. Those few who liked it and bought new for mid-$30k's certainly are not faring well with depreciation.

But as you point out, on the used market, it seems somewhat of a steal - a fun, AWD hatchback in the teens.

breld

roadburner said:

breld said:

Here's a car that we find strangely compelling:

At a mini dealer, here in CO
2013 Paceman S All4
38k miles
Manual transmission
Well equipped with the sunroof, upgraded "lounge" leather, cold weather, premium package 2.
Red with a "copper" leather interior.

Any auction values out there for something like this?

I love the lounge leather- looks almost Jaguar-like.

Yes, that lounge leather on the Paceman is what caught our eye and is one of the factors that makes us consider it. For all the choices MINI offers for interiors, it does seem that most are equipped with the standard "carbon black" seats.

That MINI dealer now has pics up - you can click on the interior shots to see the interior if you're so moved.

2013 Paceman

Michaell

breld said:

roadburner said:

breld said:

Here's a car that we find strangely compelling:

At a mini dealer, here in CO
2013 Paceman S All4
38k miles
Manual transmission
Well equipped with the sunroof, upgraded "lounge" leather, cold weather, premium package 2.
Red with a "copper" leather interior.

Any auction values out there for something like this?

I love the lounge leather- looks almost Jaguar-like.

Yes, that lounge leather on the Paceman is what caught our eye and is one of the factors that makes us consider it. For all the choices MINI offers for interiors, it does seem that most are equipped with the standard "carbon black" seats.

That MINI dealer now has pics up - you can click on the interior shots to see the interior if you're so moved.

2013 Paceman

Now that I see the pix, I'm not sure I like the contrast to the exterior color.

Still a lot of car for the money.

qbrozen

henryn said:

@qbrozen nailed it again. He said my truck would be worth $24k at a dealer, and $25k at Carmax. Well, Carmax tried to screw me, but I just got an offer of $24,000 precisely for trading in the truck at a dealership. And that was not inflated, that was against an advertised price. Once again, a big "Thank You" to Q for the invaluable assistance he gives to so many of us every day.

You are very welcome. So is the deal done?

stickguy

interesting looking car. I really can't understand the logic behind much of the Mini line-up.

Mr_Shiftright

The logic is driven by the need to survive the "curse" of retro design I think. It's difficult to refresh any retro design, although some are more successful than others

roadburner

breld said:

roadburner said:

breld said:

Here's a car that we find strangely compelling:

At a mini dealer, here in CO
2013 Paceman S All4
38k miles
Manual transmission
Well equipped with the sunroof, upgraded "lounge" leather, cold weather, premium package 2.
Red with a "copper" leather interior.

Any auction values out there for something like this?

I love the lounge leather- looks almost Jaguar-like.

Yes, that lounge leather on the Paceman is what caught our eye and is one of the factors that makes us consider it. For all the choices MINI offers for interiors, it does seem that most are equipped with the standard "carbon black" seats.

That MINI dealer now has pics up - you can click on the interior shots to see the interior if you're so moved.

2013 Paceman

I like!

henryn

qbrozen said:

henryn said:

@qbrozen nailed it again. He said my truck would be worth $24k at a dealer, and $25k at Carmax. Well, Carmax tried to screw me, but I just got an offer of $24,000 precisely for trading in the truck at a dealership. And that was not inflated, that was against an advertised price. Once again, a big "Thank You" to Q for the invaluable assistance he gives to so many of us every day.

You are very welcome. So is the deal done?

No, I decided to hang back. There are some very good deals out there for the end of the year, but I still don't know what I want to do next. I really like this truck, but I never drive it around town, and I very seldom get out of town any more. Therefore, I ought to let go of it, go down to one vehicle. But ...

What I was looking at was a new 2017 Passat R-Line. Very nice car, and cheap.

breld

I like the look at that Passat R-Line too. Despite not keeping my previous Passat TSI for very long, I actually had a very good experience with it. If I had opted for a higher trim level I think I would have been more satisfied.

Sandman6472

I like Mini Coopers, a lot! If I could find one that rides as smoothly as my Golf does, think I'd jump on it. Must admit, I definitely made the right choice with my Golf and as long as it behaves, it's staying in the fleet at this point. No matter what I look at, I still come back to a smallish 5 door, or even a smallish 3 door. Not sure a four door with a trunk is something I'd be happy with and anyways, the wife won't drive anything else it seems.

The Sandman

Michaell

sandman_6472 said:

I like Mini Coopers, a lot! If I could find one that rides as smoothly as my Golf does, think I'd jump on it. Must admit, I definitely made the right choice with my Golf and as long as it behaves, it's staying in the fleet at this point. No matter what I look at, I still come back to a smallish 5 door, or even a smallish 3 door. Not sure a four door with a trunk is something I'd be happy with and anyways, the wife won't drive anything else it seems.

The Sandman

I don't think there is a MINI available that rides like your Golf. Maybe the new Clubman.

Sandman6472

Probably true. The one short test drive I did take a couple months back in a base 2016 Mini wasn't as smooth as the Golf and the seats weren't as comfy. At this stage, not sure what I'd really want next as everything I try or even look at just isn't as nice as the Golf. So, as long as no issues crop up, looks like the Golf will stay in the stable for awhile. Averaging just about 13K miles each year so even if I continue working till the end of 2018, I'd still be at about 52K two years from now. And if it stays as flawless as it's been up to now, I'll be real happy! That initial issue with that starter wire was really a one in a million issue, not something normal, so don't really think about it. Like the wife's A3, both have been very reliable.
Still would like a "fun" vehicle like a small convertible to keep miles off the Golf but the wife's not having it unfortunately. Shame really cause think she'd love it once she tried it.

The Sandman

mjfloyd1

Any pricing available for 16 Honda Accord Touring V6 AT with 3k miles? Silver with black leather in Indianapolis. Looks like a dealerships managers car. They have it listed CPO for $29900. Also considering buying it non cpo since you can buy Honda warranties so cheap online

Still considering that Infiniti q70 but no Infiniti dealer where I live. Audi is as good as it gets here.

qbrozen

About $26k at the block, so figured $28.5-$29k retail. I don't know if the CPO is worth $1k.

FWIW, truecar shows a new 2017 for $31k. Seems to be the smarter deal for just $2k more.

mjfloyd1

Thanks. We ended up driving a lot of cars. Mazda 6, Accord, civic, Q70..looked at Acura equivalent of the Accord too.

mjfloyd1

Bought the Accord. Dealer cash ended today so truecar pricing was helpful. Could have gotten a ruby red one for pricing below truecar but daughter liked the modern steel-charcoal look better.